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2022-05-13 10:11:42 AM  
Once again, for those in the back, NEVER call the cops when anyone is having a mental episode. Cops are not caregivers, they are death dealers.
 
2022-05-13 10:13:09 AM  
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2022-05-13 10:16:55 AM  
Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.
 
2022-05-13 10:18:03 AM  
Ok, memes and cop snark aside, I watched the video. He's a murdering sack of shit.
 
2022-05-13 10:37:31 AM  
'Maybe if we throw more money at them ,cops will stop killing people.'- Joe Biden
 
2022-05-13 10:38:00 AM  
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2022-05-13 10:38:14 AM  
Here in Denver we have... Civilized... Ways of dealing with such incidents.
 
2022-05-13 10:38:37 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.


Just for that comment alone another 4 small town police departments have been given spare "Dogsmasher 5000" armored vehicles leftover from Iraq.
 
2022-05-13 10:39:31 AM  
Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.
 
2022-05-13 10:39:35 AM  
Dang , the bravery of the thin blue line - not everyone could handle it, heroes only
 
2022-05-13 10:40:31 AM  
What brave men and women blasting a 75 year old grandma.

fark the police.
 
2022-05-13 10:40:45 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.


If a slogan results in the opposite of what you wanted, it's a bad slogan.
 
2022-05-13 10:42:00 AM  

Communist Middleschool Student: AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.

If a slogan results in the opposite of what you wanted, it's a bad slogan.


The slogan was not the problem.
 
2022-05-13 10:42:08 AM  
Problem Solved - SMBC Theater
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2022-05-13 10:42:14 AM  
38 seconds. Those bastards probably spend more time than that wiping the grease off their farking hoof hands in the morning.
 
2022-05-13 10:42:39 AM  

Communist Middleschool Student: Here in Denver we have... Civilized... Ways of dealing with such incidents.



You store the mentally ill in pyramids?
 
2022-05-13 10:43:19 AM  
Do they not have tasers in New Mexico?
 
2022-05-13 10:43:19 AM  
"Sign in to confirm your age."  Oh fark you internet.
 
2022-05-13 10:43:53 AM  
I'm gonna go on record here and say that cop is a trigger happy chickenshiat that should never be allowed to hold a gun ever again.
 
2022-05-13 10:45:24 AM  
Ideally, either ever police force would have 1-2 people trained to handle these calls, or alternatively, there'd be a separate mental health service that 911 could dispatch. In a country that can't even guarantee regular non-emergency care to basically anyone, and enslaves people in corporate-run prisons for profit? Any sentence that begins with "ideally" is describing something that isn't going to happen.

We need massive systemic change.
 
2022-05-13 10:46:11 AM  

macadamnut: Communist Middleschool Student: Here in Denver we have... Civilized... Ways of dealing with such incidents.


You store the mentally ill in pyramids?


No silly, that's for grain storage.
 
2022-05-13 10:46:31 AM  

Snotnose: I'm gonna go on record here and say that cop is a trigger happy chickenshiat that should never be allowed to hold a gun ever again.


Look if you removed every cop who meets that description, you'd be left with nobody to shoot black people, dogs, and the mentally unwell.
 
2022-05-13 10:46:49 AM  
Oh shiat, New Mexico?  I'm surprised the cop didn't just start firing through his windshield as he drove up to the house.

38 seconds is epic restraint for NM cops.
 
2022-05-13 10:47:17 AM  

cryinoutloud: "Sign in to confirm your age."  Oh fark you internet.


They blurred out the 3 seconds before the shoot (at least the video I watched was blurred). She was shuffling, slowly, vaguely in the direction of the cop. The cop kept screaming "put it down". I didn't see a weapon.

/ Even if she did have a knife...you cannot tell me that the cop couldn't have  taken it away or used a taser
 
2022-05-13 10:48:05 AM  

iheartscotch: Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.


I'd agree in most cases, but there's a codicil there.  If it gets to the point where they are genuinely a serious threat to life and limb, right now - you may have to.  That is ONLY if it's that bad - i.e. they've got a gun and they are putting bullets through the door and walls every time you try to get close to talk or see WTF kinda thing.  When it's to the point that they are a genuine and immediate threat to you and others around them.  Not, "I dunno he's acting kinda scary" or some such shiat, but "He's shooting at us right now. grandma got grazed in the knee and Bobby has splinters sticking out of his face from a near miss into the molding."  That's when you have to call the cops.  Anything else, JFC no - not unless you want that person dead
 
2022-05-13 10:49:19 AM  

iheartscotch: Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.


Here's the thing.  If you call 911 to report an emergency, and a woman having an episode and waving a pair of steak knives around DOES QUALIFY AS ONE, you get who they send to you.  And that's going to be a police officer.  And those dudes are trained a certain way.

I keep **gently loving** saying it.  We need to stop Dave Grossman, of the KILLOLOGY RESEARCH GROUP (I swear I'm not making that up) train police officers.  You get the force you train, and the guy who wrote this book is training them.

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2022-05-13 10:50:13 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Communist Middleschool Student: AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.

If a slogan results in the opposite of what you wanted, it's a bad slogan.

The slogan was not the problem.


The slogan was the problem. The sooner progressives understand that using intentionally triggering slogans doesn't get good results, the better.

Say what you mean. The are hundreds of better alternatives than "defund the police". For example: reboot the Police. Fire them all and start over. Reform the police. Drs for health, police for crime.
 
2022-05-13 10:50:26 AM  
The granddaughter, Albitar Inoh, tells the officer, "please be very careful with her"

In fairness to the cop, he did only shoot her twice.
 
2022-05-13 10:50:33 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: iheartscotch: Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.

I'd agree in most cases, but there's a codicil there.  If it gets to the point where they are genuinely a serious threat to life and limb, right now - you may have to.  That is ONLY if it's that bad - i.e. they've got a gun and they are putting bullets through the door and walls every time you try to get close to talk or see WTF kinda thing.  When it's to the point that they are a genuine and immediate threat to you and others around them.  Not, "I dunno he's acting kinda scary" or some such shiat, but "He's shooting at us right now. grandma got grazed in the knee and Bobby has splinters sticking out of his face from a near miss into the molding."  That's when you have to call the cops.  Anything else, JFC no - not unless you want that person dead


Even then...if you a call a cop after shots are fired...they're likely to shoot some passerby for looking at them cross-ways
 
2022-05-13 10:50:36 AM  

Communist Middleschool Student: AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.

If a slogan results in the opposite of what you wanted, it's a bad slogan.


Was it the slogan or the Republican marketing being used by Democrats and corporate media twisting it to mean something else that may have been the problem?
It would be the same effect as Democrats acting like BLM is a terrorist organization or saying "all lives matter".
 
2022-05-13 10:52:29 AM  

fireclown: iheartscotch: Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.

Here's the thing.  If you call 911 to report an emergency, and a woman having an episode and waving a pair of steak knives around DOES QUALIFY AS ONE, you get who they send to you.  And that's going to be a police officer.  And those dudes are trained a certain way.

I keep **gently loving** saying it.  We need to stop Dave Grossman, of the KILLOLOGY RESEARCH GROUP (I swear I'm not making that up) train police officers.  You get the force you train, and the guy who wrote this book is training them.

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Call 911, ask for an ambulance, and commit her. That's not ideal, either, but it may help to tell 911 that that's the plan.
 
2022-05-13 10:53:07 AM  

Communist Middleschool Student: AdmirableSnackbar: Communist Middleschool Student: AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.

If a slogan results in the opposite of what you wanted, it's a bad slogan.

The slogan was not the problem.

The slogan was the problem. The sooner progressives understand that using intentionally triggering slogans doesn't get good results, the better.

Say what you mean. The are hundreds of better alternatives than "defund the police". For example: reboot the Police. Fire them all and start over. Reform the police. Drs for health, police for crime.


For the fascists who whined about the slogan, there is no actual slogan they would have accepted. They just want fascism.
 
2022-05-13 10:53:52 AM  
My work van shredded its belt on the highway in the middle of nowhere at 10pm as I was heading out-of state for a job.
I looked up tow companies on the GPS but none were close by and no one wanted to come out (unless for some stupid "emergency" rate of like 500 bucks.)
I figure "Hey the cops tow people, maybe they know someone." So I called the State trooper and reported I broke down.
Trooper comes out and asks for license and registration and all that.  Looks it over for a few minutes and then tells me he's leaving.  I say "you're just taking off?" Yep. You don't have any warrants, so no reason to.  "Can you call in for a tow?" We don't do that. "So I basically called you out here to see if you could arrest me?" ...pretty much. Have a good night

/finally found someone to tow me to a shop
 
2022-05-13 10:54:30 AM  

iheartscotch: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: iheartscotch: Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.

I'd agree in most cases, but there's a codicil there.  If it gets to the point where they are genuinely a serious threat to life and limb, right now - you may have to.  That is ONLY if it's that bad - i.e. they've got a gun and they are putting bullets through the door and walls every time you try to get close to talk or see WTF kinda thing.  When it's to the point that they are a genuine and immediate threat to you and others around them.  Not, "I dunno he's acting kinda scary" or some such shiat, but "He's shooting at us right now. grandma got grazed in the knee and Bobby has splinters sticking out of his face from a near miss into the molding."  That's when you have to call the cops.  Anything else, JFC no - not unless you want that person dead

Even then...if you a call a cop after shots are fired...they're likely to shoot some passerby for looking at them cross-ways


Not gonna argue - but you can't have someone actively trying to kill you in your house, and when it's that bad even mental health professionals and such aren't gonna up for dodging bullets to try to have a talk
 
2022-05-13 10:56:33 AM  

Walker: Once again, for those in the back, NEVER call the cops when anyone is having a mental episode. Cops are not caregivers, they are death dealers.


Well, to be fair, if you're white with money you stand an even chance of walking away... even if you point guns at them during the incident. Being a minority, or white and poor, is pretty much a death sentence. At the very least, even if you're helping defuse a situation, you'll get shot for good measure.

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2022-05-13 10:57:34 AM  

Walker: Once again, for those in the back, NEVER call the cops when anyone is having a mental episode. Cops are not caregivers, they are death dealers.


Good idea.

Difficulty: the people who would help someone who's having a mental health episode, share their phone number with the cops. It is impossible to call for help without also simultaneously calling the police.
 
2022-05-13 10:57:36 AM  

Walker: Once again, for those in the back, NEVER call the cops when anyone is having a mental episode. Cops are not caregivers, they are death dealers.


In a lot of 911 systems, the protocol for mental health/wellness check type calls is to dispatch both police and EMS, with EMS staging somewhere until the police determine it's safe for responders to move in. So people don't really have a choice. It would be a good way to do things except for that whole police being nothing more than a state-sponsored street gang thing.
 
2022-05-13 10:58:00 AM  
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murdering pig
 
2022-05-13 10:58:29 AM  
Let me guess. His PTO was denied and wanted to be sure he got the time off
 
2022-05-13 10:58:48 AM  

lindalouwho: fireclown: iheartscotch: Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.

Here's the thing.  If you call 911 to report an emergency, and a woman having an episode and waving a pair of steak knives around DOES QUALIFY AS ONE, you get who they send to you.  And that's going to be a police officer.  And those dudes are trained a certain way.

I keep **gently loving** saying it.  We need to stop Dave Grossman, of the KILLOLOGY RESEARCH GROUP (I swear I'm not making that up) train police officers.  You get the force you train, and the guy who wrote this book is training them.

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Call 911, ask for an ambulance, and commit her. That's not ideal, either, but it may help to tell 911 that that's the plan.


That's what the victims family did.
 
2022-05-13 11:00:09 AM  

MythDragon: My work van shredded its belt on the highway in the middle of nowhere at 10pm as I was heading out-of state for a job.
I looked up tow companies on the GPS but none were close by and no one wanted to come out (unless for some stupid "emergency" rate of like 500 bucks.)
I figure "Hey the cops tow people, maybe they know someone." So I called the State trooper and reported I broke down.
Trooper comes out and asks for license and registration and all that.  Looks it over for a few minutes and then tells me he's leaving.  I say "you're just taking off?" Yep. You don't have any warrants, so no reason to.  "Can you call in for a tow?" We don't do that. "So I basically called you out here to see if you could arrest me?" ...pretty much. Have a good night

/finally found someone to tow me to a shop


You never want to use "next up" towing anyway. In places where that still happens... well... you said "500 bucks" so probably double it if the cops call and the "next up" answers. At that point they can pretty much charge you whatever they want in most places, and even make you pay the rate to tow it back to their yard first, then to the repair shop. Almost always cheaper for you to call, even with the "emergency fee" tacked on.
 
2022-05-13 11:01:11 AM  
Communist Middleschool Student:

Say what you mean. The are hundreds of better alternatives than "defund the police". For example: reboot the Police. Fire them all and start over. Reform the police. Drs for health, police for crime.

-  "Fire Dave Grossman"
-   "Defund Killology"
-    "Killology is a bad training method for police"

I can't express this enough.  We are getting exactly the police force that we trained.  We can change those methods and goals.  Having trainers from THE KILLOLOGY RESEARCH GROUP (who I swear by all that is good and right and holy isn't a comic book supervillian group) should be such a **gently loving** red flag that I shouldn't have to say it.

THE NAME IS LITERALLY KILLOLOGY.
 
2022-05-13 11:01:23 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe if we took some of the outrageous police budget and spent it on social workers who could help in these situations...oh, right, the slogan was bad and therefore we have to do the opposite.


Cops would love that. Unfortunately when you call 911 it goes like this:

Is something on fire?  The fire department gets the call.
Is somebody physically injured? An ambulance gets  the call
For everything else the police get dispatched.

You will never find a cop that wants to deal with mental health episodes they are just the ones that are sent to handle it.
 
2022-05-13 11:03:35 AM  
Hard to fault the cop. He shrieked hysterically for 38 seconds. What you gonna do after that? Risk your life setting a 92 pound woman down in a chair and talk to her? That's madness!
 
2022-05-13 11:05:57 AM  
Have a problem?  Call the police.  Now you have two problems!
 
2022-05-13 11:05:58 AM  

bthom37: lindalouwho: fireclown: iheartscotch: Do not call the cops to come deal with a mental health episode.

Here's the thing.  If you call 911 to report an emergency, and a woman having an episode and waving a pair of steak knives around DOES QUALIFY AS ONE, you get who they send to you.  And that's going to be a police officer.  And those dudes are trained a certain way.

I keep **gently loving** saying it.  We need to stop Dave Grossman, of the KILLOLOGY RESEARCH GROUP (I swear I'm not making that up) train police officers.  You get the force you train, and the guy who wrote this book is training them.

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Call 911, ask for an ambulance, and commit her. That's not ideal, either, but it may help to tell 911 that that's the plan.

That's what the victims family did.


I would have changed the conversation drastically, but I'm also not blaming someone who's freaked out and scared for the way they handled that call.
 
2022-05-13 11:07:12 AM  
Lotta experts on how to deal with a crazy person with knives on Fark this morning.
 
2022-05-13 11:08:51 AM  
Life sentence in a Schrödinger's Box.
 
2022-05-13 11:09:34 AM  
A true Hero.
 
2022-05-13 11:09:39 AM  

Walker: Once again, for those in the back, NEVER call the cops when anyone is having a mental episode. Cops are not caregivers, they are death dealers.


I have family member with mental illness, and I've taken knives away from him.  I'd rather be cut (though I wasn't) than see him get shot by police.
 
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