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(BBC-US)   London theatre revives "Grease" to include black Pink Ladies, same-sex dancing, and empowered female characters. "If your brain can stretch to a green ogre singing a love song, I surely hope it can stretch to black people being alive in the 50s"   (bbc.com) divider line
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2022-05-13 4:34:47 AM  
I'm still trying to brain my stretch to Stockard Channing being 18 in 1978.
 
2022-05-13 5:07:38 AM  
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2022-05-13 5:29:06 AM  

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That was...strangely entertaining.
 
2022-05-13 5:46:19 AM  
What inhuman monster compares Grease to glorious Shrek
 
2022-05-13 6:01:57 AM  
Or... you could make a new musical instead of retreading old material.
 
2022-05-13 6:16:53 AM  

foo monkey: I'm still trying to brain my stretch to Stockard Channing being 18 in 1978.


Yuuuup, looked like a divorced waitress working two jobs because her no good ex husband wasn't paying paying child support for their three kids.
Still in High School.
 
2022-05-13 6:21:57 AM  
Even funnier, in Grease 2, Balmudo, by then, like, 60-years-old was still hasslin' shopkeepahs.
 
2022-05-13 6:32:38 AM  
In a few years people will ask why it's hard to believe that medieval Europe was majority African. Were you there?
 
2022-05-13 6:49:58 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: In a few years people will ask why it's hard to believe that medieval Europe was majority African. Were you there?


F11 intensifies
 
2022-05-13 6:50:57 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: In a few years people will ask why it's hard to believe that medieval Europe was majority African. Were you there?


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Half? Moor or less.
 
2022-05-13 6:56:28 AM  
And because it's a "gritty" reboot, all the black characters are killed by a 1950s lynch mob at the end.

/seriously, in what universe is Grease "gritty"
 
2022-05-13 7:10:48 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: seriously, in what universe is Grease "gritty"


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Beauty school dropout....
 
2022-05-13 7:19:52 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Or... you could make a new musical instead of retreading old material.


Well, if people bought Hamilton, I don't see why this would be an issue.

My guess is there are people that complained about Hamilton, and these are the same people.

(Being a theater snob, my complaint about Hamilton is not the casting but in the calling it a "Broadway musical")
 
2022-05-13 7:25:55 AM  
Swapping black characters into Grease as though race wasn't a factor in the 1950s teenage experience sounds even whiter than the original, but okay.
 
2022-05-13 7:30:07 AM  
Black teenagers in the 1950s?  That's SO unrealistic.  There were no black teenagers in the 1950s.  They were only porters, maids, and jazz musicians.  Haven't these people seen any movies from the 1950s?
 
2022-05-13 7:36:21 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Swapping black characters into Grease as though race wasn't a factor in the 1950s teenage experience sounds even whiter than the original, but okay.


And it's not really groundbreaking to have gay folks in a musical.
 
2022-05-13 7:39:03 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Or... you could make a new musical instead of retreading old material.


I agree.  It's time to cancel Shakespeare.
 
2022-05-13 7:46:37 AM  
So, "Hairspray"?
 
2022-05-13 7:54:31 AM  

raidersofthelostfark: Olympic Trolling Judge: seriously, in what universe is Grease "gritty"

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Beauty school dropout....


That'll be one new keyboard, right here.
 
2022-05-13 8:06:57 AM  

Bslim: foo monkey: I'm still trying to brain my stretch to Stockard Channing being 18 in 1978.

Yuuuup, looked like a divorced waitress working two jobs because her no good ex husband wasn't paying paying child support for their three kids.
Still in High School.


Olivia Elton John was the hottest 30 year old teen-ager I had ever seen.
 
2022-05-13 8:20:42 AM  
Can we just STFU & enjoy a light-hearted musical?
I don't think 50s folk busted out in song & dance routines IRL anyway - so it's "historically incorrect" right out of the gate.
 
2022-05-13 8:38:54 AM  
Will they still sing the lyrics to "Greased Lightning?"

Well, this car is automatic, it's systematic, it's hydromatic
Why it's Greased Lightning!
We'll get some overhead lifters and four barrel quads, oh yeah
(Keep talking, woah, keep talking)
A fuel injection cut off and chrome plated rods, oh yeah
(I'll get the money, I'll kill to get the money)
With a four-speed on the floor, they'll be waitin' at the door
You know that it ain't shiat, we'll be gettin' lots of tit, greased lightnin'
Go go go, go go go go go go go go
Go, greased lightnin', you're burnin' up the quarter mile
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
Go, greased lightnin', you're coasting through the heat lap trials
Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
You are supreme, the chicks'll cream, for greased lightnin'
Go go go, go go go go go go go go
We'll get some purple pitched tail lights and thirty inch fins, oh yeah
A palomino dashboard and duel-muffler twins, oh yeah
With new boosters, plates and shocks, I can get off my rocks
You know that I ain't braggin', she's a real pussy wagon
Greased lightnin'
Go, greased lightnin', you're burning up the quarter mile
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
Go, greased lightnin', you're coasting through the heat lap trials
You are supreme, the chicks'll cream, for greased lightnin'
...
Go, greased lightnin', you're burnin' up the quarter mile
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
Go, greased lightnin', you're coasting through the heat lap trials
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
You are supreme, the chicks'll cream, for greased lightnin'
Lightnin', lightnin', lightnin',
Lightnin, lightnin', lightnin, lightnin', lightnin'!
 
2022-05-13 8:52:17 AM  

oldfarthenry: Can we just STFU & enjoy a light-hearted musical?
I don't think 50s folk busted out in song & dance routines IRL anyway - so it's "historically incorrect" right out of the gate.


Also doesn't help that Grease takes place in the 1950s, when school districts in major cities were struggling to implement desegregation, and a lot of white districts weren't having it. That's right, it wasn't just Jim Crow states dealing with that. If it was, those gated suburban communities sprawling outside cities would never have existed.
 
2022-05-13 8:52:38 AM  

Bslim: foo monkey: I'm still trying to brain my stretch to Stockard Channing being 18 in 1978.

Yuuuup, looked like a divorced waitress working two jobs because her no good ex husband wasn't paying paying child support for their three kids.
Still in High School.


When her character said she was late, my first thought was maybe she was hitting menopause.
 
2022-05-13 9:00:58 AM  

FlashHarry: Will they still sing the lyrics to "Greased Lightning?"


Sounds like yes; the difference will be in how the audience is meant to view the characters singing those lyrics.


12349876: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Or... you could make a new musical instead of retreading old material.

I agree.  It's time to cancel Shakespeare.


Shakespeare's musicals never really get the credit they deserve.
 
2022-05-13 9:17:16 AM  

12349876: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Or... you could make a new musical instead of retreading old material.

I agree.  It's time to cancel Shakespeare.


Did you just seriously compare Grease to Shakespeare?
 
2022-05-13 9:22:55 AM  

FlashHarry: Will they still sing the lyrics to "Greased Lightning?"

Well, this car is automatic, it's systematic, it's hydromatic
Why it's Greased Lightning!
We'll get some overhead lifters and four barrel quads, oh yeah
(Keep talking, woah, keep talking)
A fuel injection cut off and chrome plated rods, oh yeah
(I'll get the money, I'll kill to get the money)
With a four-speed on the floor, they'll be waitin' at the door
You know that it ain't shiat, we'll be gettin' lots of tit, greased lightnin'
Go go go, go go go go go go go go
Go, greased lightnin', you're burnin' up the quarter mile
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
Go, greased lightnin', you're coasting through the heat lap trials
Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
You are supreme, the chicks'll cream, for greased lightnin'
Go go go, go go go go go go go go
We'll get some purple pitched tail lights and thirty inch fins, oh yeah
A palomino dashboard and duel-muffler twins, oh yeah
With new boosters, plates and shocks, I can get off my rocks
You know that I ain't braggin', she's a real pussy wagon
Greased lightnin'
Go, greased lightnin', you're burning up the quarter mile
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
Go, greased lightnin', you're coasting through the heat lap trials
You are supreme, the chicks'll cream, for greased lightnin'
...
Go, greased lightnin', you're burnin' up the quarter mile
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
Go, greased lightnin', you're coasting through the heat lap trials
(Greased lightnin', go, greased lightnin')
You are supreme, the chicks'll cream, for greased lightnin'
Lightnin', lightnin', lightnin',
Lightnin, lightnin', lightnin, lightnin', lightnin'!


The funniest part was going to one of the sing-a-long releases at a local theater and hearing KIDS singing this. I thought I was going to die laughing.

I'm a huge fan of this movie (please don't judge me), but it's not a documentary. If they want to change up the cast for a live performance of the play, why not? Hey, the play was changed a lot when it was made into the movie, anyway. Scenes were cut/added. songs were cut/added/changed, so this really isn't any different.
 
2022-05-13 9:25:36 AM  

baltimoreblonde: The funniest part was going to one of the sing-a-long releases at a local theater and hearing KIDS singing this.


We sang it in 6th grade music class! Bonus: they handed out the licensed sheet music, which had the real lyrics. I can only imagine the furore if that happened today...
 
2022-05-13 9:29:20 AM  

FlashHarry: baltimoreblonde: The funniest part was going to one of the sing-a-long releases at a local theater and hearing KIDS singing this.

We sang it in 6th grade music class! Bonus: they handed out the licensed sheet music, which had the real lyrics. I can only imagine the furore if that happened today...


The SJWs already hate it because "Sandy had to change to get Danny". Um, watch the movie. He changed, too, going from greaser to jock, but neither one of them altered who they really were inside. Just the appearance.
 
2022-05-13 9:34:41 AM  

baltimoreblonde: FlashHarry: baltimoreblonde: The funniest part was going to one of the sing-a-long releases at a local theater and hearing KIDS singing this.

We sang it in 6th grade music class! Bonus: they handed out the licensed sheet music, which had the real lyrics. I can only imagine the furore if that happened today...

The SJWs already hate it because "Sandy had to change to get Danny". Um, watch the movie. He changed, too, going from greaser to jock, but neither one of them altered who they really were inside. Just the appearance.


SJWs?

Yikes.
 
2022-05-13 10:01:53 AM  
Yeah, it doesn't really matter. Millennials and Zoomers have decided Grease is a horrible play with sexism, rape (they define the drive-in scene as "attempted rape" by Danny against Sandy), suggestions of rape ("Did she put up a fight?" and pretty much the entire song Greased Lightning), and the glorification of Boomer materialism.

And while I can't really disagree on some points, and roll my eyes on others, the fact is that the audience for Grease is shrinking daily. COVID-19 took out a lot of the people who look back fondly on their glory days in the late 1950s. Younger people are coming up, older people are dropping out.

The thing that depresses me a bit is that while the folks who were adolescents in the 50s got their nostalgia shows 20 years later (Happy Days, Grease, Laverne & Shirley, American Grafitti), and the people who were adolescents in the 60s got theirs 20 years later (countless 60s glorifying movies and shows in the 80s), and people who were adolescents in the 1970s even got theirs 20 years later (That 70s Show, lots of 70s-based movies), there wasn't very much nostalgia-for-our-teen-years stuff out there in the early 2000s for the Gen Xers who were adolescents in the 80s. Most of the nostalgia stuff was reboots of 80s movies or shows, but not much portrayed what it was like to be a teenager in the 80s in a non over-the-top way.

That 80s Show does not count. It wasn't even about being an adolescent, for one thing. But it was also horrible.

There's no Grease-style play, movie, or show about being a teenager in the 80s. There were movie about being teenagers in the 80s in the 80s, like John Hughes' stuff or Karate Kid or (yes, even) Breakin'. The closest I can think of is Freaks & Geeks, and that was out in 1999-2000 and was about being an adolescent in 1980. Not the 80s, but 1980 specifically, which is just the tenth year of the 70s, really.

I was writing one, ages ago, and never let it see the light of day. I think its time has passed, now. We're all in our 50s, and memories of the 1980s are just... Well, sort of depressing because of what the world has become since then, and how farking old and forgotten we're feeling as a generation.
 
2022-05-13 10:16:15 AM  

WilderKWight: There's no Grease-style play, movie, or show about being a teenager in the 80s. There were movie about being teenagers in the 80s in the 80s, like John Hughes' stuff or Karate Kid or (yes, even) Breakin'. The closest I can think of is Freaks & Geeks, and that was out in 1999-2000 and was about being an adolescent in 1980. Not the 80s, but 1980 specifically, which is just the tenth year of the 70s, really.


The Goldbergs is. Nothing else comes to mind, though.
 
2022-05-13 10:22:23 AM  

WilderKWight: Yeah, it doesn't really matter. Millennials and Zoomers have decided Grease is a horrible play with sexism, rape (they define the drive-in scene as "attempted rape" by Danny against Sandy), suggestions of rape ("Did she put up a fight?" and pretty much the entire song Greased Lightning), and the glorification of Boomer materialism.

And while I can't really disagree on some points, and roll my eyes on others, the fact is that the audience for Grease is shrinking daily. COVID-19 took out a lot of the people who look back fondly on their glory days in the late 1950s. Younger people are coming up, older people are dropping out.

The thing that depresses me a bit is that while the folks who were adolescents in the 50s got their nostalgia shows 20 years later (Happy Days, Grease, Laverne & Shirley, American Grafitti), and the people who were adolescents in the 60s got theirs 20 years later (countless 60s glorifying movies and shows in the 80s), and people who were adolescents in the 1970s even got theirs 20 years later (That 70s Show, lots of 70s-based movies), there wasn't very much nostalgia-for-our-teen-years stuff out there in the early 2000s for the Gen Xers who were adolescents in the 80s. Most of the nostalgia stuff was reboots of 80s movies or shows, but not much portrayed what it was like to be a teenager in the 80s in a non over-the-top way.

That 80s Show does not count. It wasn't even about being an adolescent, for one thing. But it was also horrible.

There's no Grease-style play, movie, or show about being a teenager in the 80s. There were movie about being teenagers in the 80s in the 80s, like John Hughes' stuff or Karate Kid or (yes, even) Breakin'. The closest I can think of is Freaks & Geeks, and that was out in 1999-2000 and was about being an adolescent in 1980. Not the 80s, but 1980 specifically, which is just the tenth year of the 70s, really.

I was writing one, ages ago, and never let it see the light of day. I think its time has passed, now. We ...


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2022-05-13 10:29:22 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Black teenagers in the 1950s?  That's SO unrealistic.  There were no black teenagers in the 1950s.  They were only porters, maids, and jazz musicians.  Haven't these people seen any movies from the 1950s?


I think they can handle it.  Theatre and art have  always been pretty sensitive to race issues.

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2022-05-13 10:58:35 AM  
Who the hell wants to even see a Grease remake, let alone invest in it?
 
2022-05-13 10:58:54 AM  

raidersofthelostfark: Olympic Trolling Judge: seriously, in what universe is Grease "gritty"

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Beauty school dropout....


I love you, John Waters, but please allow for a Philly Remake of Hairspray with Gritty.
 
2022-05-13 11:30:42 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: In a few years people will ask why it's hard to believe that medieval Europe was majority African. Were you there?


Nice a dog whistly is the way to go .....people can see you.
 
2022-05-13 12:48:21 PM  
 
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As long as it isn't as bad as the Valley Girl musical.
 
2022-05-13 1:33:57 PM  
Given the core plot is "completely change everything about yourself to make people like you", I presume this is now going to be a harrowing tale of gay conversion therapy and skin lightening creams to fit in to 1950s America?
 
2022-05-13 6:20:47 PM  

stoli n coke: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Swapping black characters into Grease as though race wasn't a factor in the 1950s teenage experience sounds even whiter than the original, but okay.

And it's not really groundbreaking to have gay folks in a musical.


Well... on the technicality that they Rock Hudson it and play straight, or Harvey Fierstein it and play over the top gay, or occasionally women.
 
2022-05-13 9:17:02 PM  

Hoopy Frood: WilderKWight: There's no Grease-style play, movie, or show about being a teenager in the 80s. There were movie about being teenagers in the 80s in the 80s, like John Hughes' stuff or Karate Kid or (yes, even) Breakin'. The closest I can think of is Freaks & Geeks, and that was out in 1999-2000 and was about being an adolescent in 1980. Not the 80s, but 1980 specifically, which is just the tenth year of the 70s, really.

The Goldbergs is. Nothing else comes to mind, though.


Seems to me the 80s had an unusually satisfying crop of teen media at the time (or shortly afterward), especially for the middle-class white suburban kids catered to by Hughes et al. Maybe 80s teens feel less need to tell themselves about 80s teendom in their middle age, because more of them feel like they were seen at the time.

Former 80s teens seem more interested in scratching the nostalgia itch by updating/referencing their teen touchstones (e.g. pretty much EVERY farking thing from the 80s) or looking back on their teenage years from a present-day perspective (e.g. Cobra Kai, Romy and Michele's High School Reunion, Hot Tub Time Machine).

Although there is stuff like Adventureland, Hot Summer Nights, Wet Hot American Summer, Everybody Hates Chris, Stranger Things, The Goldbergs, Rock of Ages. There may be no *exact* analogue to Grease, but then, why would there be.

Personally my nostalgic sensibility tends more toward experiencing a given 80s memento myself now, rather than watching a Zoomer actor pretend to experience it in the 80s. Our entertainment and our memory isn't lost to the sands of time so that we can only attempt to recreate what the 80s must have been like. It's right there.

/incidentally it's kind of odd to put a "non over-the-top way" qualifier on 80s nostalgia when examples for other decades are stuff like Grease and Happy Days and That 70s Show
 
2022-05-13 11:06:57 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /incidentally it's kind of odd to put a "non over-the-top way" qualifier on 80s nostalgia when examples for other decades are stuff like Grease and Happy Days and That 70s Show


That was shorthand for "not a musical" or "not a wacky sitcom."

The thing about all those other decades and their nostalgia trips is that they're painted with this rosy, funny, idyllic, or saccharin brush. Grease is the prime example. It's this comedy musical where all the worst aspects of 50s culture (the way they regarded women, the wastefulness of their generation) are expressed in catchy bops with sometimes shockingly frank-but-funny lyrics. The music and dancing and style of singing glosses over the fact that they're talking about things that were "normal" then but which are entirely not acceptable in modern culture.

I can think of nothing like this for the 80s. Maybe it's just that we in Gen X actually did evolve and don't feel the need to gloss over the less-rosy parts of our adolescence, while Boomers and Silents didn't evolve to keep up with current cultural ideals, and therefore need those rose-colored glasses in the form of crazy upbeat songs about date rape, sexual promiscuity, and criminal mischief.
 
2022-05-13 11:10:52 PM  

WilderKWight: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /incidentally it's kind of odd to put a "non over-the-top way" qualifier on 80s nostalgia when examples for other decades are stuff like Grease and Happy Days and That 70s Show

That was shorthand for "not a musical" or "not a wacky sitcom."

The thing about all those other decades and their nostalgia trips is that they're painted with this rosy, funny, idyllic, or saccharin brush. Grease is the prime example. It's this comedy musical where all the worst aspects of 50s culture (the way they regarded women, the wastefulness of their generation) are expressed in catchy bops with sometimes shockingly frank-but-funny lyrics. The music and dancing and style of singing glosses over the fact that they're talking about things that were "normal" then but which are entirely not acceptable in modern culture.

I can think of nothing like this for the 80s. Maybe it's just that we in Gen X actually did evolve and don't feel the need to gloss over the less-rosy parts of our adolescence, while Boomers and Silents didn't evolve to keep up with current cultural ideals, and therefore need those rose-colored glasses in the form of crazy upbeat songs about date rape, sexual promiscuity, and criminal mischief.


What's wrong with sexual promiscuity?
 
2022-05-14 3:45:43 AM  

WilderKWight: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /incidentally it's kind of odd to put a "non over-the-top way" qualifier on 80s nostalgia when examples for other decades are stuff like Grease and Happy Days and That 70s Show

That was shorthand for "not a musical" or "not a wacky sitcom."

The thing about all those other decades and their nostalgia trips is that they're painted with this rosy, funny, idyllic, or saccharin brush. Grease is the prime example. It's this comedy musical where all the worst aspects of 50s culture (the way they regarded women, the wastefulness of their generation) are expressed in catchy bops with sometimes shockingly frank-but-funny lyrics. The music and dancing and style of singing glosses over the fact that they're talking about things that were "normal" then but which are entirely not acceptable in modern culture.

I can think of nothing like this for the 80s. Maybe it's just that we in Gen X actually did evolve and don't feel the need to gloss over the less-rosy parts of our adolescence, while Boomers and Silents didn't evolve to keep up with current cultural ideals, and therefore need those rose-colored glasses in the form of crazy upbeat songs about date rape, sexual promiscuity, and criminal mischief.


While many Boomers may be out of step with the 2020s, the cultural context of Grease is the 1970s--written in 1971 and movie release in 1978. The elements that seem entirely unacceptable today wouldn't have seemed that way at the time. I don't think the script was trying to gloss anything over, it's just that (broadly speaking) those elements weren't yet seen as particularly problematic fifty years ago.

An unironic celebration of 80s gender dynamics etc being a hard sell isn't necessarily about the 80s kids being especially evolved, it's just the commercial environment they have to operate in. So instead we get parody (e.g. Wet Hot American Summer) or a modern lens (e.g. Cobra Kai) or selective referencing (e.g. everything).

And ultimately, noncommittal ironically-distanced nostalgia trips seem *very* on-brand for Gen X.

/'That was shorthand for "not a musical" or "not a wacky sitcom."' Yeah, that's what seemed odd: the examples given for other decades were musicals and wacky sitcoms. But whatever, it doesn't matter.
 
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