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(AutoBlog)   Due to faulty brakes, Mercedes-Benz tells 290,000 customers to stop immediately   (autoblog.com) divider line
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1273 clicks; posted to Main » on 12 May 2022 at 11:06 PM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-05-12 11:12:46 PM  
Braking News!
 
2022-05-12 11:15:44 PM  
STOP! Hammertime!
 
2022-05-12 11:18:17 PM  
This is great. 290,000 less douchebags on the road for a while!
 
2022-05-12 11:20:24 PM  

FloriduhGuy: This is great. 290,000 less douchebags on the road for a while!


Fewer
 
2022-05-12 11:21:44 PM  
If you have a mid-2000s Mercedes and it's still in working order, that's a damn miracle.
 
2022-05-12 11:22:40 PM  

Dave2042: FloriduhGuy: This is great. 290,000 less douchebags on the road for a while!

Fewer


Go grade a test Poindexter!
 
2022-05-12 11:29:32 PM  

FloriduhGuy: This is great. 290,000 less douchebags on the road for a while!


I didn't see anything about used Audis
 
2022-05-12 11:31:08 PM  
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touch my calipers
 
2022-05-12 11:33:26 PM  
How are you supposed to get it to the dealership if you're not supposed to drive it? Are they going to pay for the flatbed? Because you're not towing it like some 95 Pontiac Grand Am.

NINEv2: FloriduhGuy: This is great. 290,000 less douchebags on the road for a while!

I didn't see anything about used Audis


Hey!
 
2022-05-12 11:36:48 PM  
This is nothing. BMW owners have been driving without turn signals for 60 years.
 
2022-05-12 11:37:52 PM  

wiredroach: BMW owners have been driving without turn signals for 60 years.


Turn signals on BMWs work just fine. The problem is they emit a frequency of light that the poors cannot see.
 
2022-05-12 11:42:25 PM  

mrmopar5287: wiredroach: BMW owners have been driving without turn signals for 60 years.

Turn signals on BMWs work just fine. The problem is they emit a frequency of light that the poors cannot see.


That is strictly true, except for the frequency bit. The poors can't see BMW turn signals. And they work. But the rich can't see them either. Because nobody ever uses them.
 
2022-05-12 11:42:38 PM  

Magnanimous_J: How are you supposed to get it to the dealership if you're not supposed to drive it? Are they going to pay for the flatbed? Because you're not towing it like some 95 Pontiac Grand Am.

NINEv2: FloriduhGuy: This is great. 290,000 less douchebags on the road for a while!

I didn't see anything about used Audis

Hey!


Audi drivers suck the most!
 
2022-05-12 11:52:17 PM  
brake boosters that may become corroded after prolonged exposure to moisture

They could advertise "we've built the F-22 of SUVs"
 
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2022-05-13 12:17:34 AM  
Jeep and Kia like WHAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT
 
2022-05-13 12:36:30 AM  

MurphyMurphy: brake boosters that may become corroded after prolonged exposure to moisture

They could advertise "we've built the F-22 of SUVs"


Corroded Brake Boosters seem like more of a Chrysler feature.
 
2022-05-13 1:06:53 AM  

raygundan: That is strictly true, except for the frequency bit. The poors can't see BMW turn signals. And they work. But the rich can't see them either. Because nobody ever uses them.


The rich don't need to use them; it's understood that the poors will roll out of the way in advance of BMW owners' arrival. It's only proper.
 
2022-05-13 1:12:04 AM  

wiredroach: raygundan: That is strictly true, except for the frequency bit. The poors can't see BMW turn signals. And they work. But the rich can't see them either. Because nobody ever uses them.

The rich don't need to use them; it's understood that the poors will roll out of the way in advance of BMW owners' arrival. It's only proper.


Jeez, I see a lot of BMW envy, here. Also, be serious, the rich don't buy anything that cheap.
 
2022-05-13 1:17:30 AM  
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2022-05-13 1:18:16 AM  

lizaardvark: Jeez, I see a lot of BMW envy, here. Also, be serious, the rich don't buy anything that cheap.


I've owned a few, and they were great cars but needed lots of TLC with age. The rich are indeed buying them; Google "E30 M3" to see what a $10,000 investment a decade ago would net you today.
 
2022-05-13 3:06:04 AM  

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That's a Volvo.
Not that it matters. If you believe any brand is better than any other brand, the ads worked.
 
2022-05-13 3:33:38 AM  
Never forget the universal law of recalls, courtesy of Fight Club:

Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

It is very serious if they're doing this huge recall.
 
2022-05-13 4:36:07 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: If you have a mid-2000s Mercedes and it's still in working order, that's a damn miracle.


I just sold a 1994 E320 wagon that was running just fine

I have a 2002 C320 in working order.
 
2022-05-13 5:16:45 AM  

FloriduhGuy: This is great. 290,000 less douchebags on the road for a while!


No, you do not understand luxury car drivers. Those 290,000 douchbags are still on the road, perhaps 10 of them will drive the BMW, Porsche or Audi tomorrow, but all of them are still on the road. 289,990 of those at risk cars will still be on the road and because it is a big heavy car even if there is a crash the passengers of the Mercedes will likely come out alright, just hate to be the pedestrian or economy car passenger that suffers in the crash.
 
2022-05-13 5:25:24 AM  
One wants to say what kind of idiot forgot that brake fluid absorbs moisture and becomes corrosive. We have known this for decades. An idiot forgot and designed a brake system that can corrode. Tens and perhaps hundreds of other engineers reviewed, built and tested this brake system. I have seem so many crazy designs in failed parts from Mercedes and BMW that I will never buy a modern German car. This is class action territory like the Pinto gas tank crash fire, Audi sudden acceleration and Toyota stuck throttle even if nobody has died yet, which I doubt.
 
2022-05-13 6:20:14 AM  
Meanwhile, BMWs are spontaneously setting themselves on fire, even when stone cold, and all BMW does is say it's animal nests in the engine bay.

BTW, I'm looking for a new car? Why, you ask?

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2022-05-13 8:10:57 AM  

darkone: One wants to say what kind of idiot forgot that brake fluid absorbs moisture and becomes corrosive. We have known this for decades. An idiot forgot and designed a brake system that can corrode. Tens and perhaps hundreds of other engineers reviewed, built and tested this brake system. I have seem so many crazy designs in failed parts from Mercedes and BMW that I will never buy a modern German car. This is class action territory like the Pinto gas tank crash fire, Audi sudden acceleration and Toyota stuck throttle even if nobody has died yet, which I doubt.


I think the article misused the phrase "contaminated brake fluid".

As a mechanic, the description of the problem and the symptoms doesn't sound like it's in the hydraulic side but on the pneumatic side of the brake system.  It sounds like they improperly corrosion proofed the brake boosters during manufacture (which would probably be a supplier problem) and the bodies of the boosters are corroding so bad that they can develop c racks and vacuum leaks (sucking, hissing or wheezing noises from the pedal during apply) or the boosters can break so badly that the master cylinder is no longer in contact with the apply rod (total failure of brakes).

This is OLD tech.  Vacuum power brakes have been in use since 1928 and I don't think I've EVER seen a brake booster fail so completely as to cause a total loss of braking, only loss of assist.
 
2022-05-13 1:24:30 PM  
People have places to be. No one is PARKING these vehicles when they have places to be. Unless the car is on fire, I have places to be and my car is how I get there.
 
2022-05-13 2:17:31 PM  

wiredroach: lizaardvark: Jeez, I see a lot of BMW envy, here. Also, be serious, the rich don't buy anything that cheap.

I've owned a few, and they were great cars but needed lots of TLC with age. The rich are indeed buying them; Google "E30 M3" to see what a $10,000 investment a decade ago would net you today.


tangential csb: i would love to go haywire on a closed track in an m2 comp.
 
2022-05-13 2:19:14 PM  

mrmopar5287: People have places to be. No one is PARKING these vehicles when they have places to be. Unless the car is on fire, I have places to be and my car is how I get there.


Well if your place to be is plowed into the back of the car in front of you because the brakes failed, have we got a deal for you.
 
2022-05-13 4:34:17 PM  

scanman61: As a mechanic, the description of the problem and the symptoms doesn't sound like it's in the hydraulic side but on the pneumatic side of the brake system. It sounds like they improperly corrosion proofed the brake boosters during manufacture (which would probably be a supplier problem) and the bodies of the boosters are corroding so bad that they can develop c racks and vacuum leaks (sucking, hissing or wheezing noises from the pedal during apply) or the boosters can break so badly that the master cylinder is no longer in contact with the apply rod (total failure of brakes).


I am not sure what the cause is. If it is as you describe that is a lot of corrosion. Regardless of it being a Mercedes built or supplier built item, Mercedes is responsible for specifying and verifying requirements on it including it shall not corrode into oblivion.

This is OLD tech. Vacuum power brakes have been in use since 1928 and I don't think I've EVER seen a brake booster fail so completely as to cause a total loss of braking, only loss of assist.

That is a exactly my point. I have driven a lot of very old very rusty cars and I have never had a total failure of the braking system. Mercedes has a lot of explaining to do. Nothing short of demonstrated fraud on the part of the supplier of the parts or materials in failed portion of the brake system should mitigate the guilt of Mercedes.
 
2022-05-14 12:56:39 AM  

darkone: scanman61: As a mechanic, the description of the problem and the symptoms doesn't sound like it's in the hydraulic side but on the pneumatic side of the brake system. It sounds like they improperly corrosion proofed the brake boosters during manufacture (which would probably be a supplier problem) and the bodies of the boosters are corroding so bad that they can develop c racks and vacuum leaks (sucking, hissing or wheezing noises from the pedal during apply) or the boosters can break so badly that the master cylinder is no longer in contact with the apply rod (total failure of brakes).

I am not sure what the cause is. If it is as you describe that is a lot of corrosion. Regardless of it being a Mercedes built or supplier built item, Mercedes is responsible for specifying and verifying requirements on it including it shall not corrode into oblivion.

This is OLD tech. Vacuum power brakes have been in use since 1928 and I don't think I've EVER seen a brake booster fail so completely as to cause a total loss of braking, only loss of assist.

That is a exactly my point. I have driven a lot of very old very rusty cars and I have never had a total failure of the braking system. Mercedes has a lot of explaining to do. Nothing short of demonstrated fraud on the part of the supplier of the parts or materials in failed portion of the brake system should mitigate the guilt of Mercedes.


I wasn't trying to absolve Mercedes of anything, just offering my opinion that "contaminated brake fluid" has nothing to do with this problem.

The ONLY way I could see brake fluid being involved is if the master cylinder was leaking from the rear piston seal and brake fluid was accumulating in the booster.  This I have seen many times, usually when trying to track down a mystery loss of brake fluid.

Brake fluid is a paint remover and it is VERY hygroscopic.  I could see it removing the corrosion protection then causing rusting inside the booster.  This would be "contaminated by brake fluid", not "contaminated brake fluid"
 
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