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(Smithsonian Magazine)   Lull in visitors during lockdown made Venetians appreciate just how annoying tourists are. So they came up with some extra fees to thin the herd   (smithsonianmag.com) divider line
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2022-05-04 10:19:33 PM  
WHY YOU WANNA BE LIKE THAT.  WE JUST WANT TO COME FOR A VISIT.  WE BRING TOURIST DOLLARS.  GONDOLA!  GONDOLA!

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2022-05-04 10:21:34 PM  

cryinoutloud: WHY YOU WANNA BE LIKE THAT.  WE JUST WANT TO COME FOR A VISIT.  WE BRING TOURIST DOLLARS.  GONDOLA!  GONDOLA!

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The Daleks have the harbor. I repeat, the Daleks have the harbor.
 
2022-05-04 10:25:07 PM  
I wonder how many lefties are going to decry this as a punishment on the poor?

Meh, poor people don't need to travel. Curb stomp them harder, I say!
 
2022-05-04 10:29:07 PM  
If you visit, I highly recommend making a point of getting away from the crowds and exploring the island. You can't get lost. It's amazing how empty some neighborhoods are.
 
2022-05-04 10:31:55 PM  
I went there once. Took a long drive to get up to it. Meh. Way overrated. But I clicked off one item on my bucket list.
 
2022-05-04 10:31:56 PM  

born_yesterday: If you visit, I highly recommend making a point of getting away from the crowds and exploring the island. You can't get lost. It's amazing how empty some neighborhoods are.


Agreed, fifteen years ago, my dad took me and my brothers and family on a Costa Cruise that gave us ten days in Venice. I've been to Europe before for fun and business, but this was my first time there. You are so right about exploring, also, spend the money to rent a boat and a driver from your hotel. The canals are endless and the food... Mmmm. Why yes I am fat.
 
2022-05-04 10:31:58 PM  
They should force ships to sit at anchor for 40 days before landing, as they did in the Middle Ages. If only there were some kind of pandemic-related word derived from this Venetian practice.
 
2022-05-04 10:34:07 PM  
What made me a little jealous when i was there was the local kids in their tin boats and their freedom and resentment of all the turistas. Because back home i had my own tin boat and local knowledge and resentment of the flatlanders, er, guests.

It all boils down to the money that tourism brings. We welcome you and your money. Now go home...
 
2022-05-04 10:34:47 PM  

born_yesterday: If you visit, I highly recommend making a point of getting away from the crowds and exploring the island. You can't get lost. It's amazing how empty some neighborhoods are.


I found that the more poorly lit the street, the better the restaurant.

On a related note, travel in groups.
 
2022-05-04 10:35:03 PM  
Venice is a stinking shiathole. There are few permanent residents left and no industry or other way to make money other than tourism. Not sure why anyone would want to go there. There are better places to visit in Italy.
 
2022-05-04 10:40:06 PM  

Super Chronic: born_yesterday: If you visit, I highly recommend making a point of getting away from the crowds and exploring the island. You can't get lost. It's amazing how empty some neighborhoods are.

I found that the more poorly lit the street, the better the restaurant.

On a related note, travel in groups.


THat is sound advice.
 
2022-05-04 10:42:11 PM  

wax_on: Venice is a stinking shiathole. There are few permanent residents left and no industry or other way to make money other than tourism. Not sure why anyone would want to go there. There are better places to visit in Italy.


If you collect glass or a student of history or just want a farking great street sami in St Mark
's Square, Venice is perfect. It's a lot more fun than Rome and safer as well. Less pick pockets and other predators...
 
2022-05-04 10:43:05 PM  
Good on Venezia.
If you can afford to travel, you can afford the fee.
I do think the fee is really too small to discourage tourists.
I would set it at €100 in July. Zero in January.
 
2022-05-04 10:52:50 PM  
Not nearly enough.
 
2022-05-04 10:59:45 PM  
"This is the consecration of Venice as a theme park with access subject to the payment of a ticket," per a translation by Forbes' Laurie Werner. "It is humiliating for the city, for its residents and for visitors."

Oh my god, shut up.  It's not like you didn't notice them before, or notice the tons of money they left in your city.  Don't act all outraged now.    Your city is not livable anymore--it's a tourist town.
I sympathize, i lived in one too. But don't whine about it while you're counting your dollars.  I hate that shiat.
 
2022-05-04 11:01:57 PM  
I think it should be a sliding scale based on date of travel.  In reality, one person with money adds more to the tourist economy than 3 people who don't, and takes up the same space. Well-off people will be more likely to come, not less with less crowds.
 
2022-05-04 11:08:22 PM  
Welcome to a world with a growing middle class - travel is no longer limited to the elite.
 
2022-05-04 11:14:24 PM  

wax_on: Venice is a stinking shiathole. There are few permanent residents left and no industry or other way to make money other than tourism. Not sure why anyone would want to go there. There are better places to visit in Italy.


Yeah well, I lived in Bologna for two years, and I went to Venezia several times.

I really enjoyed it each time, and always found something new.

I admit my favorite thing though was the mosaic showing how the Ventians totally owned the Muslims by coving the body of Mark (the apostle) with bacon, so they couldnt search for it, when it was smuggled out of Egypt


This photo is title "HAHA! We put bacon on him, you cant touch him"
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We got bacon. Checkmate, Muslibs
 
2022-05-04 11:16:04 PM  

wax_on: Venice is a stinking shiathole. There are few permanent residents left and no industry or other way to make money other than tourism. Not sure why anyone would want to go there. There are better places to visit in Italy.


Most Italian cities are dumps. Thanks to rampant corruption and tax cheating, there's little money to for trash collection, street cleaning, street repair, planting trees, etc. Cities in Sicily are by far the worst - it's really depressing.
 
2022-05-04 11:17:02 PM  

skiinstructor: What made me a little jealous when i was there was the local kids in their tin boats and their freedom and resentment of all the turistas. Because back home i had my own tin boat and local knowledge and resentment of the flatlanders, er, guests.

It all boils down to the money that tourism brings. We welcome you and your money. Now go home...


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2022-05-04 11:24:20 PM  

chicagogasman: wax_on: Venice is a stinking shiathole. There are few permanent residents left and no industry or other way to make money other than tourism. Not sure why anyone would want to go there. There are better places to visit in Italy.

If you collect glass or a student of history or just want a farking great street sami in St Mark
's Square, Venice is perfect. It's a lot more fun than Rome and safer as well. Less pick pockets and other predators...


The murano glass isn't what it once was, mostly cheap trinkets for tourists. We went to a dozen shops on the island before we found quality design.
The food is mediocre at best. Had much better elsewhere in Italy.
Sienna and Florence are better towns to visit. Venice does have lots of history but not worth all the other downsides for.
Honestly I liked Rome a lot but I get that opinions can differ. Venice was just awful through and through, depressing.
 
2022-05-04 11:27:27 PM  

thornhill: wax_on: Venice is a stinking shiathole. There are few permanent residents left and no industry or other way to make money other than tourism. Not sure why anyone would want to go there. There are better places to visit in Italy.

Most Italian cities are dumps. Thanks to rampant corruption and tax cheating, there's little money to for trash collection, street cleaning, street repair, planting trees, etc. Cities in Sicily are by far the worst - it's really depressing.


Well, Venice does have the advantage of stinking open sewers everywhere.
 
2022-05-04 11:37:55 PM  
How is this even a reportable story? The fee is a voluntary $3-11 depending on the time of year.  Do you really think any of the 150,000 tourists the story reported came on Easter Sunday would have cancelled their trip if it cost $11 extra? Its 80 euros during the day and 100 Euros at night for a 30 minute gondola ride.

NYC charges you $26.40 to step off a cruise ship onto the shore and $13.60 in landing fees to disembark at JFK.  Its $10+ for a tourist to drive across a bridge or take a tunnel there (No EZPASS).
 
2022-05-04 11:56:48 PM  

thornhill: Welcome to a world with a growing middle class - travel is no longer limited to the elite.


Growing middle class? In Asia, maybe, for now.
 
2022-05-04 11:57:52 PM  

Flushing It All Away: I wonder how many lefties are going to decry this as a punishment on the poor?

Meh, poor people don't need to travel. Curb stomp them harder, I say!


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2022-05-05 12:16:49 AM  
We were there in September 2020. Almost a ghost town. Walked the main city unimpeded and had coffee in the big square with maybe four other people visible anywhere. It was interesting, but in general I'm not sure it's worth going back. Kindof boring really once you get past, "Wow, we're in Venice."

However for first time Italy folks I recommend Verona in the north. In general it is a much more manageable city to start with in Italy. Very nice.
 
2022-05-05 12:54:14 AM  

wax_on: chicagogasman: wax_on: Venice is a stinking shiathole. There are few permanent residents left and no industry or other way to make money other than tourism. Not sure why anyone would want to go there. There are better places to visit in Italy.

If you collect glass or a student of history or just want a farking great street sami in St Mark
's Square, Venice is perfect. It's a lot more fun than Rome and safer as well. Less pick pockets and other predators...

The murano glass isn't what it once was, mostly cheap trinkets for tourists. We went to a dozen shops on the island before we found quality design.
The food is mediocre at best. Had much better elsewhere in Italy.
Sienna and Florence are better towns to visit. Venice does have lots of history but not worth all the other downsides for.
Honestly I liked Rome a lot but I get that opinions can differ. Venice was just awful through and through, depressing.


Tuscany is best all around, and Rome is obligatory, but Venice is hands-down the most photogenic little city I've ever seen, with an interesting shot around every corner, even/especially if you get a bit off the beaten track, and even/especially as the city dies its long drawn-out death. I'm glad I went for that alone, and the top-notch art/history was a nice bonus.

On the other hand, I had the second-worst pasta of my entire life in Venice. Things were shoddy and expensive even by Italian standards. And in some places I could literally count more pickpockets than potential victims.
 
2022-05-05 12:57:15 AM  

born_yesterday: If you visit, I highly recommend making a point of getting away from the crowds and exploring the island. You can't get lost. It's amazing how empty some neighborhoods are.


Absolutely, we flew into Venice, but stayed in the mainland, but we had a team a few minutes walk away to take us straight out. Absolutely loved exploring, and one you're of the grand canal and St. Marks Square, its a lot cheaper. Got the ferry across to Pula in Croatia, then worked our way down and flew home from Split. We left the UK with flights, Venice Hotel and ferry booked, then just winged it. Throughly recommend it as an itinerary.
 
2022-05-05 1:17:24 AM  

Geordiebloke: born_yesterday: If you visit, I highly recommend making a point of getting away from the crowds and exploring the island. You can't get lost. It's amazing how empty some neighborhoods are.

Absolutely, we flew into Venice, but stayed in the mainland, but we had a team a few minutes walk away to take us straight out. Absolutely loved exploring, and one you're of the grand canal and St. Marks Square, its a lot cheaper. Got the ferry across to Pula in Croatia, then worked our way down and flew home from Split. We left the UK with flights, Venice Hotel and ferry booked, then just winged it. Throughly recommend it as an itinerary.


Nice. Ive done that - only we stayed a few nights on Pag Island
 
2022-05-05 2:07:45 AM  

born_yesterday: If you visit, I highly recommend making a point of getting away from the crowds and exploring the island. You can't get lost. It's amazing how empty some neighborhoods are.


The glass blowing shops were amazing and hardly had any folks the times I've gone, the lace shops even fewer. The Holocaust memorial is pretty cool.
 
2022-05-05 8:04:21 AM  

Flushing It All Away: I wonder how many lefties are going to decry this as a punishment on the poor?

Meh, poor people don't need to travel. Curb stomp them harder, I say!


Topic: Tourism in a small country on the other side of the world
The pathetic and desperate response? "Hurrr lefties!"
Conservatism really is out of gas. But boy does the user name check out!
 
2022-05-05 9:20:41 AM  

A_Listless_Wanderer: Flushing It All Away: I wonder how many lefties are going to decry this as a punishment on the poor?
Meh, poor people don't need to travel. Curb stomp them harder, I say!
Topic: Tourism in a small country on the other side of the world
The pathetic and desperate response? "Hurrr lefties!"
Conservatism really is out of gas. But boy does the user name check out!


I'd like to see the stats comparing libs international travel with conservatives.  I bet the libs win.  Not because you're more sophisticated or curious--but just because it's a staple of the view that you need to present to the world.

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Fakey fakes.  Thanks for your carbon footprint, fakers! Theres going to be a lot of dead people before you all are satisfied with your Instagram photos.
But they're all poor people, and you don't put them in your photos.
 
2022-05-05 9:24:08 AM  

Bread314: How is this even a reportable story? The fee is a voluntary $3-11 depending on the time of year.  Do you really think any of the 150,000 tourists the story reported came on Easter Sunday would have cancelled their trip if it cost $11 extra? Its 80 euros during the day and 100 Euros at night for a 30 minute gondola ride.

NYC charges you $26.40 to step off a cruise ship onto the shore and $13.60 in landing fees to disembark at JFK.  Its $10+ for a tourist to drive across a bridge or take a tunnel there (No EZPASS).


From the MTA (NYC transit) website, "Toll rates depend on the bridge or tunnel, the type of vehicle, and other factors. All MTA crossings use cashless or "open-road" tolling and accept E-ZPass".
 
2022-05-05 9:33:22 AM  

cryinoutloud: A_Listless_Wanderer: Flushing It All Away: I wonder how many lefties are going to decry this as a punishment on the poor?
Meh, poor people don't need to travel. Curb stomp them harder, I say!
Topic: Tourism in a small country on the other side of the world
The pathetic and desperate response? "Hurrr lefties!"
Conservatism really is out of gas. But boy does the user name check out!

I'd like to see the stats comparing libs international travel with conservatives.  I bet the libs win.  Not because you're more sophisticated or curious--but just because it's a staple of the view that you need to present to the world.

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Fakey fakes.  Thanks for your carbon footprint, fakers! Theres going to be a lot of dead people before you all are satisfied with your Instagram photos.
But they're all poor people, and you don't put them in your photos.


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