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(Politico)   The real reason behind the Religious Right backing pro-life? Segregation   (politico.com) divider line
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2022-05-03 10:16:09 AM  
Headline is daffy and absolutely failed to comprehend the article.

The article claims that the rise of the "Religious Right" was founded on segregationist views, which is close enough to true.

That group then picked up on the abortion issue, not because of segregation, but as a wedge issue. "if they're for it, we're against it". Yes, they used it for the 1980 Presidential elections, which was an odd thing as Reagan very famously liberalized California's abortion laws before he flip-flopped for convenience.

As it stands, I do think it's tribal. Again, an almost desperate desire to seize on some "anti-liberal" ideology. And that aspect is cultivated as a way to unify the Tribe.
 
2022-05-03 10:21:59 AM  
Weyrich was a detestable, racist human being. The abortion issue was a means to an end.
 
2022-05-03 10:52:32 AM  
And here I thought it was seatbelts.
 
2022-05-03 10:53:07 AM  
It's all down to conservatives wanting to own others.
 
2022-05-03 10:53:10 AM  
Gotta keep the poor poor.  Just so happens their preferred out groups are kept poor.  Sure there's no correlation/causation there.
 
2022-05-03 10:53:55 AM  
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2022-05-03 10:55:38 AM  
Misleading headline, but TFA misses the mark too.

The only Conservative moral that has ever existed, throughout all of history in all cultures, races, religions and countries is this:

"All for me and none for thee"
 
2022-05-03 10:56:03 AM  
Duhoy!  Bob Jones and Liberty Universities were behind it from the start.

The big question now is:  with the abortion boogie man finally slain, what will captivate the amygdalas (hearts, souls, and minds don't apply here) of the religious right?
 
2022-05-03 10:56:23 AM  
Luke 11:52 - "Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."
 
2022-05-03 10:57:46 AM  
I think its more about religion: IE, the belief that a fetus has a soul. All the cherry picking, lying, and false science is just an attempt to make this fundamentally religious view seem legitimate.
 
2022-05-03 10:58:00 AM  

Halfabee64: Duhoy!  Bob Jones and Liberty Universities were behind it from the start.

The big question now is:  with the abortion boogie man finally slain, what will captivate the amygdalas (hearts, souls, and minds don't apply here) of the religious right?


The trans.  The gay.  The black.  The brown. All the way down til the Missouri Synod is pulling guns on each other.

Fascism must have an enemy at all times.
 
2022-05-03 10:59:09 AM  

wademh: Headline is daffy and absolutely failed to comprehend the article.

The article claims that the rise of the "Religious Right" was founded on segregationist views, which is close enough to true.

That group then picked up on the abortion issue, not because of segregation, but as a wedge issue. "if they're for it, we're against it". Yes, they used it for the 1980 Presidential elections, which was an odd thing as Reagan very famously liberalized California's abortion laws before he flip-flopped for convenience.

As it stands, I do think it's tribal. Again, an almost desperate desire to seize on some "anti-liberal" ideology. And that aspect is cultivated as a way to unify the Tribe.


It's not just close enough to true, it is absolutely true. It is one of the core tenants of their beliefs that white people are better than black people.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/
 
2022-05-03 10:59:22 AM  
Oh, hai gais! What's going on in here?

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2022-05-03 10:59:36 AM  
Of course it has never been about the saving lives.  As soon as they're born, the Religious Right starts applying the sins of the mother policy.  Now go get a job, freeloader.
 
2022-05-03 11:00:31 AM  

Halfabee64: Duhoy!  Bob Jones and Liberty Universities were behind it from the start.

The big question now is:  with the abortion boogie man finally slain, what will captivate the amygdalas (hearts, souls, and minds don't apply here) of the religious right?


Finding ways of making it legal to kill Democrats and liberals, obviously.
 
2022-05-03 11:00:48 AM  
Telling my manager about a misleading headline on Fark and boy are you guys in trouble.
 
2022-05-03 11:01:12 AM  
Roe v Wade was argued on the basis of privacy of medical decisions being intruded upon by government.

It's confusing that the same camp that screams loudest about government overreach in regards to mask mandates for the common good also wants the government up in everyone's business regarding this personal aspect of healthcare.
 
2022-05-03 11:01:30 AM  
No shiat. These assholes are beating the drum to genocide. That's where this is going. Democrats are now "groomers", and all the black "thugs", and Mexican "rapists" that they support must be destroyed. Anyone who stands in the way is a "socialist". We are heading down a very dark path.
 
2022-05-03 11:01:34 AM  
democrats lynched a lot of black people.
 
2022-05-03 11:03:06 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


Now so the one where they founded the KKK. That's great for laughs.
 
2022-05-03 11:03:44 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


Numbers compared to lynchings by republicans during our lifetimes, please.
 
2022-05-03 11:04:44 AM  

giantmeteor: No shiat. These assholes are beating the drum to genocide. That's where this is going. Democrats are now "groomers", and all the black "thugs", and Mexican "rapists" that they support must be destroyed. Anyone who stands in the way is a "socialist". We are heading down a very dark path.


Abortion kills a much higher rate of black babies. It does appear some people may be interested in eugenics, but it may not be the people here want to believe.
 
2022-05-03 11:04:48 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


And those democrats are now republicans.  Has been since the 60s.  Keep in mind that the democrats prior to that had the exact views as you (no interracial marriage, no gays, blacks are bad, etc).
 
2022-05-03 11:04:52 AM  

Halfabee64: Duhoy!  Bob Jones and Liberty Universities were behind it from the start.

The big question now is:  with the abortion boogie man finally slain, what will captivate the amygdalas (hearts, souls, and minds don't apply here) of the religious right?


Same sex marriage, interracial dating, the way "those people" eat crackers.

The idea that American regressives and abortion are like a dog chasing a car (they won't know what to do once they catch it) is stupid. It's an attitude that displays astonishing ignorance of reality.

They're more like a dog getting steak. Once they get some, they'll only want more.

It's important to note a key part of Roe and Casey is the right to privacy. Regressives don't think the rest of us should have any.

If you really want to know what the next issue for them will be, remember for the regressives every accusation is a confession. They've already moved on to complaining about indoctrination in schools while enshrining their form of indoctrination into law.

Can Death Panels be far behind?
 
2022-05-03 11:05:17 AM  
Here's a better summation of the religious right's embrace of politics and as wade points out above search for a wedge issue to unite urban white Catholics with rural white Evangelicals. 

The crux:

KING: So opposition to abortion has become so associated with evangelical Christians that it seems like that's the way it was all along.

ABDELFATAH: No. In fact, the Southern Baptist Convention, they actually passed resolutions in 1971, 1974 and 1976 - after Roe v. Wade - affirming the idea that women should have access to abortion for a variety of reasons and that the government should play a limited role in that matter, which surprised us. The experts we talked to said white evangelicals at that time saw abortion as largely a Catholic issue.
 
2022-05-03 11:05:32 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: giantmeteor: No shiat. These assholes are beating the drum to genocide. That's where this is going. Democrats are now "groomers", and all the black "thugs", and Mexican "rapists" that they support must be destroyed. Anyone who stands in the way is a "socialist". We are heading down a very dark path.

Abortion kills a much higher rate of black babies. It does appear some people may be interested in eugenics, but it may not be the people here want to believe.


How is a medical procedure "eugenics", though?

And I'd figure you would want more black people killed.
 
2022-05-03 11:05:52 AM  

Felkami: I think its more about religion: IE, the belief that a fetus has a soul. All the cherry picking, lying, and false science is just an attempt to make this fundamentally religious view seem legitimate.


If I remember correctly, the Bible explicitly states that a baby is not alive until it takes its first breath, therefore a fetus does not have a soul.
 
2022-05-03 11:06:58 AM  
Roman Catholics are human garbage, end of story.

If you're still in the church, you either believe in its pro-abortion, destructive, false policies, or you know you belong to a pro-abortion, false, evil, destructive group that is tearing down American democracy and you don't care.

Go be a farking Anglican or a UU. Do not expect me to give a shiat when your daughters claim rape and seek abortions.
 
2022-05-03 11:07:14 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


Now do the one where the Nazis were liberals.
 
2022-05-03 11:07:33 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


And Republicans used to shoot people who were waving the Confederate flag, but doing that now would be committing suicide. Still you should consider it.
 
2022-05-03 11:07:37 AM  
Are we going back to the "You know, racism is THE causal issue to all of America's woes... we can safely put all the disaster capitalism issues on the back burner for, you know, yet another cycle because that's an economic thing and that's not a pressing issue so NBD that it's ruining this planet's potential for human habitability" threads of yore? Those were great. Biiiig help in - wait for it - building coalitions.

/first completely unreasonable clamato-doucher to claim that i'm being racist gets their mom or dad a free donkey punch
//parents dead? i'll do elon's mom.
 
2022-05-03 11:08:15 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


C'mon. That's just farking lazy. Put some effort into it.
 
2022-05-03 11:08:39 AM  

Halfabee64: Duhoy!  Bob Jones and Liberty Universities were behind it from the start.

The big question now is:  with the abortion boogie man finally slain, what will captivate the amygdalas (hearts, souls, and minds don't apply here) of the religious right?


Now it's time for millionaire televangelists to stick an arm out of the window of their Mercedes and start shaking their tin cups and crying that they need money to help push for federal abortion illegalization.

The goal is always a little further away, and the All Powerful and Ever-Living Christian God and his Omnipotent Sidekick/Son/Self Jebus Christ the King can't do it without more of your money.
 
2022-05-03 11:09:00 AM  

Felkami: I think its more about religion: IE, the belief that a fetus has a soul. All the cherry picking, lying, and false science is just an attempt to make this fundamentally religious view seem legitimate.


Except for the longest time the religious view was that the fetus had no soul until it was observed to move for the first time, ie the first kick.  And any rabbi could tell you that the disposal of a fetus is not considered murder.  It is usually considered bad, but it isn't Biblically-defined murder - and that continues right up until the cutting of the umbilical cord, so even an ensouled fetus isn't an issue.  Shiat, from the Biblical definition it is barely a crime, as it requires paying only a small fine.  Biblically, abortion is equivalent to jaywalking in regards to severity, and treated as a civil action.  At worst, a woman convicted of having an abortion would have to pay herself $20, as she would be both the assailant and the victim.  Not to mention it is a religiously required act - a woman who becomes pregnant through adultery is required to abort the fetus by God's Own Damned Words.  "I did it with a married man" makes the abortion a religious duty.
 
2022-05-03 11:09:07 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


As has been said a couple thousand times already, the modern Democratic Party bears little resemblance to the Dixiecrat wing of the party prior to the Southern Strategy.  Those people would be Republicans and socially conservative Libertarians today.
 
2022-05-03 11:10:31 AM  

Subtonic: colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.

C'mon. That's just farking lazy. Put some effort into it.


It's a shame that Fark Independents™ hardly stick around to explain their posts.
 
2022-05-03 11:10:56 AM  

wademh: That group then picked up on the abortion issue, not because of segregation, but as a wedge issue. "if they're for it, we're against it".


I think the automatic-opposition reason is the reason conservatives decided to hate vaccines and mask-mandates. They decided it would make the libs cry and so that's the stance they took.
 
2022-05-03 11:11:49 AM  
Is someone going to flip on the flashing alarm strobes and sound the klaxon alarms when the time comes to say enough is enough?  The media will do that when it's time, right?
Will we have to put down our phones?  Should we just make dank memes about it?  Is it weird that you can fly confederate flags without fear or retribution, but putting up anything anti-fascist puts you in the crosshairs for vandalism or worse?
 
2022-05-03 11:12:16 AM  
It's always been about oppressing poor people.
 
2022-05-03 11:12:42 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


They sure did. And the GOP bent over backwards to bring those people into their party.
 
2022-05-03 11:12:53 AM  

colon_pow: democrats lynched a lot of black people.


Wow, that's some high-level understanding of USA politics. Breathtaking in depth and scope, really.
 
2022-05-03 11:13:11 AM  
Stop calling them Pro-Life.  They are NOT Pro-Life.

They are Pro-Birth.
Once that happens, they do not give a flying fark about that 'Life'.
 
2022-05-03 11:15:14 AM  

Halfabee64: Duhoy!  Bob Jones and Liberty Universities were behind it from the start.

The big question now is:  with the abortion boogie man finally slain, what will captivate the amygdalas (hearts, souls, and minds don't apply here) of the religious right?


Baseless fears of imaginary gun grabbers, gays recruiters, and rapin' immigrants always work. Plus Q has now tacked on sex-trafficking and pedophilia.
 
2022-05-03 11:16:15 AM  
Sure there might be even more dubious reasons behind doing evil. This article is literally, "do you know why I killed your parents? So I could their children too".

Ok so the rabbit hole goes down even further that's great, but the evil dividends get smaller and smaller with each layer. At a certain point decent people have to say, "that first thing was evil enough, the alt right have to be stopped. A lot of people in my own bloodline have to be stopped. I may have to fight my own mother and/or father in the hope that no future generation will ever have to know this pain."
 
2022-05-03 11:16:53 AM  
One likely outcome of overturning Roe is it having a disproportionate affect on brown and poor people. So you'll end up with more brown people and more poor people.

That's a hell of a plan the racists have come up with.
 
2022-05-03 11:17:03 AM  
The abortion debate has always been used by down-low segregationists as an organizing modus operandi
 
2022-05-03 11:17:11 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: giantmeteor: No shiat. These assholes are beating the drum to genocide. That's where this is going. Democrats are now "groomers", and all the black "thugs", and Mexican "rapists" that they support must be destroyed. Anyone who stands in the way is a "socialist". We are heading down a very dark path.

Abortion kills a much higher rate of black babies. It does appear some people may be interested in eugenics, but it may not be the people here want to believe.


Kindly fark off with that ignorant bullshiat
 
2022-05-03 11:18:36 AM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: giantmeteor: No shiat. These assholes are beating the drum to genocide. That's where this is going. Democrats are now "groomers", and all the black "thugs", and Mexican "rapists" that they support must be destroyed. Anyone who stands in the way is a "socialist". We are heading down a very dark path.

Abortion kills a much higher rate of black babies. It does appear some people may be interested in eugenics, but it may not be the people here want to believe.

How is a medical procedure "eugenics", though?

And I'd figure you would want more black people killed.


If the "medical procedure" is ending a life and there are systemic differences in who that affects, that's going to skew demographics.

Unfortunately, abortion rates are high enough to really make a difference in populations.

Re NYC:

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2022-05-03 11:18:38 AM  

edmo: One likely outcome of overturning Roe is it having a disproportionate affect on brown and poor people. So you'll end up with more brown people and more poor people.

That's a hell of a plan the racists have come up with.


Conservatives were dumb enough to bring in boatloads of people they hate from Africa all because they didn't want to work for a living. Kinda sounds like conservatives now.
 
2022-05-03 11:18:52 AM  
One of the great drivers of politics in America is White Supremacy.
 
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