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2022-05-03 11:36:04 AM  
What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

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Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.
 
2022-05-03 1:09:23 PM  

cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

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Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.


Nice whataboutism.  Yes, various kinds of debt are crushing the vast vast majority.  No reason you can't have discussions on specific forms.
 
2022-05-03 1:13:35 PM  
/snark on

Next time don't get a doctorate in fly fishing or comparative folk dancing.

/snark off
 
2022-05-03 1:38:11 PM  
By design.
 
2022-05-03 1:39:16 PM  
This study is hot garbage.  "Adults who repaid their student debt had better or equivalent health than individuals who never faced student debt, suggesting that relieving the burden of student debt could improve population health."  See if we forgive student debt they would be even healthier than if they didn't even take out the loan!
 
2022-05-03 2:09:02 PM  
Should have gotten better grades and gotten a higher SAT score in high school, then you wouldn't have to worry about it.
 
2022-05-03 2:09:33 PM  
Just love how the "pro debt" people seem to ignore the fact the student loan companies have been bad actors for years  using underhanded if not illegal tactics to keep people in debt for decades.
 
2022-05-03 2:13:15 PM  

cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

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Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.


username checks out
 
2022-05-03 2:14:38 PM  

cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

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Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.


Mortgage is not true "dept" it's a form of building equity. If you hold a.mortgage you are almost definitely better off than someone who does.not hold a.moetgage, unless you somehow got the bank to give you.more than your house is worth.

When I owned a house I ha hundrededs.of thousands of "dept" and when I sold that house I made a bundle. Not I have that money as equity abd am.worse off because I'm renting and will never afford a house again in this insane housing market.

Credit card dept is all to often "shiat you should not have bought because you could not afford". Exceptions for people living on the margins.

Student dept is the unreasonably soaring cost of education that has been saddled on people who were told (partially correcfly) that they needed a degree to get a good job. Only now those jobs are shiat, it's just that the non degree jobs are.mostly even shiattier, because there are less and less good jobs.

Comparing student loans to mortgages and CCs is extremely disingenuous
 
2022-05-03 2:15:46 PM  

HighZoolander: username checks out


Of course, when someone makes a logical argument, the best thing to do is attack their username.
 
2022-05-03 2:16:44 PM  

chawco: Only now those jobs are shiat, it's just that the non degree jobs are.mostly even shiattier, because there are less and less good jobs.


Are there though? Because reality seems to indicate the opposite.
 
2022-05-03 2:24:16 PM  

proteus_b: chawco: Only now those jobs are shiat, it's just that the non degree jobs are.mostly even shiattier, because there are less and less good jobs.

Are there though? Because reality seems to indicate the opposite.


In what way? Are jobs better, or are the jobs without degrees better?

I'm not thinking 15 years here, more like 30 or 40 years. My PA finished high school.and got on the job trades training enough to buy a house at 24, and raise a family with a stay at home wife.

Now a HS degree opens nearly no doors, office jobs that used to be open to HS now demand a degree and often still seem shiat starting pay, and thos manufacturing and industry jobs seem largely gone. People seem a lot less happy in the quality of their.employmenet, seem.to be expected to work longer hours at less benefit, and cost of education, student loan dept, and especially cost of living have all skyrocketed.

Without a degree, most jobs seem trash. Though one of the greatest scams.of the 90s.and 2000s was everyone need to go to univeraity. Because plumbers can make a lot more than your average BA or business degree holder.
 
2022-05-03 2:26:10 PM  

cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

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Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.


I love that the biggest household debt is a mortgage.  I get that it's more complicated, because renters also have debt, etc.  But "My mortgage is debt?!?!?" is all that comes to mind.
 
2022-05-03 2:28:26 PM  

proteus_b: HighZoolander: username checks out

Of course, when someone makes a logical argument, the best thing to do is attack their username.


logical?

More of an emotional rant.
 
2022-05-03 2:29:14 PM  

squegeebooo: I love that the biggest household debt is a mortgage.  I get that it's more complicated, because renters also have debt, etc.  But "My mortgage is debt?!?!?" is all that comes to mind.


When I got divorced we made so much.moneynoff my house. Like equal to 60% of my take home earning in the same time period.
 
2022-05-03 2:36:38 PM  

Mcavity: Just love how the "pro debt" people seem to ignore the fact the student loan companies have been bad actors for years  using underhanded if not illegal tactics to keep people in debt for decades.


The same can be said about Banks.  Ever get a second mortgage?
 
2022-05-03 3:02:48 PM  
Could it also be that the people smart enough to eat a vegetable here and there were smart enough to not let their debt balloon?
 
2022-05-03 3:49:24 PM  

cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

[Fark user image 384x384]

Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.


Username checks out.
 
2022-05-03 4:02:17 PM  

chawco: cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

[Fark user image image 384x384]

Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.

Mortgage is not true "dept" it's a form of building equity. If you hold a.mortgage you are almost definitely better off than someone who does.not hold a.moetgage, unless you somehow got the bank to give you.more than your house is worth.

When I owned a house I ha hundrededs.of thousands of "dept" and when I sold that house I made a bundle. Not I have that money as equity abd am.worse off because I'm renting and will never afford a house again in this insane housing market.

Credit card dept is all to often "shiat you should not have bought because you could not afford". Exceptions for people living on the margins.

Student dept is the unreasonably soaring cost of education that has been saddled on people who were told (partially correcfly) that they needed a degree to get a good job. Only now those jobs are shiat, it's just that the non degree jobs are.mostly even shiattier, because there are less and less good jobs.

Comparing student loans to mortgages and CCs is extremely disingenuous


Wipe the spittle off your screen so you can see all of your typos, still recommend
 
2022-05-03 4:04:29 PM  

proteus_b: HighZoolander: username checks out

Of course, when someone makes a logical argument, the best thing to do is attack their username.


Meh, she loves the attention
 
2022-05-03 4:12:43 PM  

chitownmike: chawco: cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

[Fark user image image 384x384]

Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.

Mortgage is not true "dept" it's a form of building equity. If you hold a.mortgage you are almost definitely better off than someone who does.not hold a.moetgage, unless you somehow got the bank to give you.more than your house is worth.

When I owned a house I ha hundrededs.of thousands of "dept" and when I sold that house I made a bundle. Not I have that money as equity abd am.worse off because I'm renting and will never afford a house again in this insane housing market.

Credit card dept is all to often "shiat you should not have bought because you could not afford". Exceptions for people living on the margins.

Student dept is the unreasonably soaring cost of education that has been saddled on people who were told (partially correcfly) that they needed a degree to get a good job. Only now those jobs are shiat, it's just that the non degree jobs are.mostly even shiattier, because there are less and less good jobs.

Comparing student loans to mortgages and CCs is extremely disingenuous

Wipe the spittle off your screen so you can see all of your typos, still recommend


I typed this on my phone while doing other things. I can't be assed any more to fix my broken thumbs. Its been a challenge and I guess I've given up. 80% of it is periods instead of spaces, a few is irrational auto correct.
 
2022-05-03 4:23:35 PM  

zeaper12: Mcavity: Just love how the "pro debt" people seem to ignore the fact the student loan companies have been bad actors for years  using underhanded if not illegal tactics to keep people in debt for decades.

The same can be said about Banks.  Ever get a second mortgage?


yup my mortgage was an 80 /20 so the second mortgage for the 20 was at an insane rate.

The edu loan servicers were doing deliberate shady things which is why there is now a "reset" for people who had modified loans.
 
2022-05-03 4:54:35 PM  
They're never getting their money.
 
2022-05-03 5:59:12 PM  
I thought it was going to be about how people aren't getting married/are getting divorced because of how stupid student loans are.

// considering divorce - strictly because of the IBR and tax implications of being married are an absolute nightmare.
 
2022-05-03 6:09:02 PM  

cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

[Fark user image image 384x384]

Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.


Forgiving all (federal) student loans is one of the worst ideas imaginable, but it's silly to pretend student loan debt is 'the same' as other debt when we treat it so incredibly different from other debt.

I've known people who couldn't pay their auto loan. They lost their car and hurt their credit. I've known people who couldn't pay their mortgage, they lost their house and hurt their credit.

Give me that same treatment and I'll gladly give back my transcript and tank my credit.
 
2022-05-03 6:17:19 PM  

zeaper12: Mcavity: Just love how the "pro debt" people seem to ignore the fact the student loan companies have been bad actors for years  using underhanded if not illegal tactics to keep people in debt for decades.

The same can be said about Banks.  Ever get a second mortgage?


OBJECTION:  whataboutism/off-topic
 
2022-05-03 8:31:43 PM  

cryinoutloud: What about the rest of our freely-assumed debts?   Aren't they heartbreaking too, or are they just part of getting by in America?  Is this just some special interest group wanting special things?  Survey says, Yeah, probably.

[Fark user image image 384x384]

Why should somebody give money to student loan holders, when everyone is in dept up to their asses?  They're already high on the food chain.  Give it to the working class who want to buy a cheap house, because they'll never have that either.
All the college-educated people bought them up in a spending frenzy, using their weasely business skills that they learned in college.  You sound like the last person who needs a bailout.

In a rational world.  But the high-income whiners already know that they can get what they want, sometimes, if they cry about it enough.  Poor people know that they never will.


Nope. In hindsight, child support was causing depression.  Didn't even know it. I destroyed parts of my life. Didn't know till I was done. It's nuts. But. Ture.
 
2022-05-04 5:40:58 PM  
You mean the student debt that was taken on willingly by the student? Cry me a freaking river. Here a thought, do what my wife and I did with her loans. We SACRIFICED for the first few years of our marriage and paid every dollar we could scrape up at the debt until it was... it was paid off.
That meant no going out to dinner, driving an old beat up car, buying generic brands until we paid off the debt.

Sorry, you took it out, you pay it back. It's not the American Taxpayer's fault you bit off more then you could chew. Should have used that college brain to think about the repercussions of the choices you made.
 
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