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(NBC Washington)   Just in case you're keeping track, Novak Djokovic is still an asshole   (nbcwashington.com) divider line
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2022-05-02 12:14:50 PM  
Whaaaa it's not FAIR!!!!!!

Tell it to the dead Ukrainian children you pieces of shiat.
 
2022-05-02 12:18:23 PM  
Djokovic may be an a-hole but he's right in this case, along with Nadal. Wimbledon should have allowed the players to play but not under the Russian flag which was the compromise the IOC came to.

The players have nothing to do with what the Russian government has done and are being punished unnecessarily. All of the players mentioned except Medvedev have come out with strong statements against the war.
 
2022-05-02 12:24:14 PM  
This ban is so incredibly stupid, but I hate agreeing to anything Joker says.

I'll just say I agree with Nadal.
 
2022-05-02 12:32:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: This ban is so incredibly stupid, but I hate agreeing to anything Joker says.

I'll just say I agree with Nadal.


Same.
 
2022-05-02 12:32:18 PM  

NewportBarGuy: This ban is so incredibly stupid, but I hate agreeing to anything Joker says.

I'll just say I agree with Nadal.


Me too, perfect.
 
mjg
2022-05-02 12:43:54 PM  
Let's see - Djokovic:
- Great tennis player
- Might have a grade 12 education
Not going to listen to this guy on anything other than playing tennis.

/goes for Nadal, and most other entertainers athletes
 
2022-05-02 1:04:54 PM  
It sucks for those players but they are free to move and play for a different country's flag.  As for the IOC coming to the conclusion that Russian athletes could compete but not under their flag, it's called corruption. Some oligarch, who's kid participates, made a donation the IOC presidents favorite charity.   ALL IOC decisions should never be considered valid.
 
2022-05-02 1:26:00 PM  

SpectroBoy: Whaaaa it's not FAIR!!!!!!

Tell it to the dead Ukrainian children you pieces of shiat.


When this first started being discussed I found a quote from a Ukranian player who pointed out that most of the Russian players are based outside that country and they should not be restricted from playing. I'll consider his opinion over some JO on the internet.
 
2022-05-02 1:43:59 PM  
In this one particular case, Jerkavich is right.

Wimbledon should have went with the IOC compromise.
 
2022-05-02 1:46:59 PM  
All the tennis players are saying this, it's not just Novax.

They're just sticking up for each other, that's all. It's kind of a union thing (even though tennis doesn't actually have a players union though Chokabiatch is trying to start one).
 
2022-05-02 1:51:00 PM  

joshiz: Djokovic may be an a-hole but he's right in this case, along with Nadal. Wimbledon should have allowed the players to play but not under the Russian flag which was the compromise the IOC came to.

The players have nothing to do with what the Russian government has done and are being punished unnecessarily. All of the players mentioned except Medvedev have come out with strong statements against the war.


While this is true, what Wimbledon is trying to do (and many other sports have done the same) is try and close a loophole whereby Putin can circumvent trade/sanctions by smuggling money into the country via entertainers and celebrities living abroad. Money that can be used to finance the war effort. Wimbledon does not want to be a facilitator of that.
 
2022-05-02 1:55:35 PM  
Counterpoint: South Africa during apartheid.
 
2022-05-02 1:55:43 PM  
Sorry. Your country cookies war crimes, you don't get to play sportsball. I totally agree.
 
2022-05-02 2:08:38 PM  

browneye: Wimbledon should have went with the IOC compromise.


Hopefully it would be something with more impact than the IOC's method. "Nope, they aren't playing for Russia, they're playing for the Team of Russia Athletes. Totally different. And it's not the Russian flag, we moved some of the colors around."
 
2022-05-02 2:10:11 PM  
Federer, I assume, is neutral on this.
 
2022-05-02 2:10:45 PM  

king of vegas: Sorry. Your country cookies war crimes, you don't get to play sportsball. I totally agree.


cookies? may I please have one?
 
2022-05-02 2:12:22 PM  

virulent_loser: Federer, I assume, is neutral on this.


I see what you did there.
 
2022-05-02 2:13:32 PM  

Ishkur: close a loophole whereby Putin can circumvent trade/sanctions by smuggling money into the country


Maybe but there is absolutely no evidence of this from players on the tour.

The ATP/WTA are much more hands on with the players than other sports regulatory bodies and if this was an ongoing problem, they would have stepped up and done something. This is a unilateral decision by Wimbledon that only serves to punish the individual players.

And as @toetag mentioned, the IOC allowing athletes to compete but not under the Russian flag may be due to corruption, that doesn't mean it isn't the most practical solution, especially in this case.

Flipping this around, the French Open could ban US players simply because they don't like the US government's slow response to climate change or the continued immigration policy of having kids in cages at the border. That doesn't make a lot of sense. You could argue "war is different" - is it though?
 
2022-05-02 2:16:15 PM  

mjg: Let's see - Djokovic:
- Great tennis player
- Might have a grade 12 education
Not going to listen to this guy on anything other than playing tennis.

/goes for Nadal, and most other entertainers athletes


Wait, what? We live in a capitalist society.

Rich people are better, more important people. We must show the appropriate deference and heed what they say.

You're not some kind of Commie, are you?
 
2022-05-02 2:31:48 PM  

joshiz: Maybe but there is absolutely no evidence of this from players on the tour.


Are you sure about that?

The top players, I have no doubt they keep their money to themselves squirreled away in Monte Carlo or whereever.

But what about qualifiers/ITF level? The lower leagues are already rife with corruption and match fixing, it wouldn't be hard for some Oligarch to use them as a conduit for laundering money into the country. They do it anyway via gambling.

And this is just tennis. Think of the bigger picture: Every athlete, every musician, every actor, every Russian national living and working abroad, and earning money, can be a front for circumventing sanctions. There are thousands of them, and many of them send money home to friends and families. As he controls all banks it is not difficult for Putin to seize those funds, and as he also controls all media, the entertainer and their family would never know.
 
2022-05-02 2:56:34 PM  

Ishkur: Are you sure about that?


The lower tier players make so much less money than the top 10 or top 30 that it would be really really difficult to launder money that way.

If you have evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to check it out.

And yes there was a few instances of match fixing way down in the rankings. That hardly suggests there is a massive conspiracy involving dozens of Russian athletes trying to funnel money back to Putin. That is just not happening.

Bottom line is of course we are against the war and something should be done to punish the Russian government but this is not the right something.
 
2022-05-02 3:32:35 PM  

toetag: It sucks for those players but they are free to move and play for a different country's flag.  As for the IOC coming to the conclusion that Russian athletes could compete but not under their flag, it's called corruption. Some oligarch, who's kid participates, made a donation the IOC presidents favorite charity.   ALL IOC decisions should never be considered valid.


Who is more corrupt the IOC or FIFA?
 
2022-05-02 3:41:26 PM  

joshiz: The players have nothing to do with what the Russian government has done


joshiz: Bottom line is of course we are against the war and something should be done to punish the Russian government but this is not the right something.


The Russian government represents and acts on behalf of the Russian people.
 
2022-05-02 4:00:40 PM  
I'm. not sure how the whole tax thing works in Russia but I would assume a tennis player would have to pay a portion of their winnings in taxes. And the taxes would be funding the murder of innocent Ukrainians. If so, yeah, fark 'em.
 
2022-05-02 4:03:10 PM  

merclateralus: toetag: It sucks for those players but they are free to move and play for a different country's flag.  As for the IOC coming to the conclusion that Russian athletes could compete but not under their flag, it's called corruption. Some oligarch, who's kid participates, made a donation the IOC presidents favorite charity.   ALL IOC decisions should never be considered valid.

Who is more corrupt the IOC or FIFA?


Sir, I believe you are attempting to divide by zero. Please, no.
 
2022-05-02 4:12:47 PM  

joshiz: The lower tier players make so much less money


But there are so many more of them (106 ranked players on the ITF circuit, currently). Lining them up with "sponsors" is not that difficult of a feat.
 
2022-05-02 4:20:08 PM  

lennavan: The Russian government represents and acts on behalf of the Russian people.


So punish the people? Sorry, I strongly disagree with that sentiment. And, as corrupt as Russian elections are, that statement is far from being accurate on its face.

As with my above post, then US players could be punished because of things our government does. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Tennis is not the olympics - players play very loosely under the aegis of their respective countries but aside from Davis Cup it is not really country vs. country - it is an individual sport.

Russia should be banned from Davis Cup and any other international aspect of tennis if they are not already. But don't take it out on individual players.

Regarding taxes, most of the top players have residence in Monte Carlo or other tax havens. The lower ranked players make so little money as to be completely insignificant from a tax perspective.
 
2022-05-02 4:22:22 PM  

Ishkur: But there are so many more of them (106 ranked players on the ITF circuit, currently). Lining them up with "sponsors" is not that difficult of a feat.


If you think Nike or Adidas would continue to give money to players that funnel that money to Putin, ok.

Players below the top 30 rely on sponsorship money just to be able to travel, pay their coaches, and have a physio. They are not giving this money away.
 
2022-05-02 4:29:58 PM  

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2022-05-02 4:40:47 PM  

merclateralus: Who is more corrupt the IOC or FIFA?


insert whynotboth.jpg

It's like the high jumpers in the last olympics sharing the gold medal and not going for a tie breaker jump.
 
2022-05-02 4:47:26 PM  

joshiz: If you think Nike or Adidas


No, an Oligarch with an LLC.

It's how money moves around the world. This isn't that hard.
 
2022-05-02 6:37:29 PM  

joshiz: Djokovic may be an a-hole but he's right in this case, along with Nadal. Wimbledon should have allowed the players to play but not under the Russian flag which was the compromise the IOC came to.

The players have nothing to do with what the Russian government has done and are being punished unnecessarily. All of the players mentioned except Medvedev have come out with strong statements against the war.


The IOC's "compromise" was a bad joke. Did you see all that shiat that went on with the ice skating? fark that. No Russians competing anywhere, for anything unless they defect.
 
2022-05-02 7:49:26 PM  

NewportBarGuy: This ban is so incredibly stupid, but I hate agreeing to anything Joker says.

I'll just say I agree with Nadal.


The ban is perfectly logical and the right move for Wimbledon to make.

Solely from the PR perspective, barring them will create far less exposure than featuring them. They are protecting their brand and their big show by doing this.

From a sport/political perspective, it probably is pointless. Although as defacto representatives or Russia I don't mind then getting barred.
 
2022-05-02 7:55:07 PM  

merclateralus: toetag: It sucks for those players but they are free to move and play for a different country's flag.  As for the IOC coming to the conclusion that Russian athletes could compete but not under their flag, it's called corruption. Some oligarch, who's kid participates, made a donation the IOC presidents favorite charity.   ALL IOC decisions should never be considered valid.

Who is more corrupt the IOC or FIFA?


Yes.
 
2022-05-02 7:56:59 PM  

browneye: In this one particular case, Jerkavich is right.

Wimbledon should have went with the IOC compromise.


You mean when the IOC and IPC booted them out of the Paralympics? That was their response to these same events and the only correct response.

Every official representative of Russia should be barred. Period.

Now for things like this where they are only unofficial representatives of their countries it is a lot more difficult to say.
 
2022-05-02 10:21:47 PM  

merclateralus: toetag: It sucks for those players but they are free to move and play for a different country's flag.  As for the IOC coming to the conclusion that Russian athletes could compete but not under their flag, it's called corruption. Some oligarch, who's kid participates, made a donation the IOC presidents favorite charity.   ALL IOC decisions should never be considered valid.

Who is more corrupt the IOC or FIFA?


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