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2022-04-30 11:27:39 PM  
NO.
 
2022-04-30 11:27:50 PM  
Well, let's see.....I just spent the evening drinking and watching music videos, Nintendo game playthroughs, 1980s commercials, and The Honeymooners on YouTube.
So yes, my life is a complete waste, and I love it. Better than listening to screaming brats
 
2022-04-30 11:39:40 PM  
Butt stuff.  I rest my case.
 
2022-04-30 11:53:24 PM  
Nope. Just more relaxing and fun.
 
2022-04-30 11:55:15 PM  

Naido: Butt stuff.  I rest my case.


Mustache rides. I rest on your face.

/;)
 
2022-05-01 12:53:41 AM  
OH HELL NO
 
2022-05-01 12:55:53 AM  
Are you extremely good looking?

If so get with the family having

If not don't sweat it, kids are a lot of work
 
2022-05-01 12:56:03 AM  
If my children no longer speak to me, do I have children?
 
2022-05-01 12:59:17 AM  
It takes a village. Those who don't contribute to the future gene pool can still contribute by helping to sustain a society where children are educated rather than exploited in work houses.
 
2022-05-01 1:24:51 AM  

fragMasterFlash: It takes a village. Those who don't contribute to the future gene pool can still contribute by helping to sustain a society where children are educated rather than exploited in work houses.


Look at this guy over here thinkin' human beans have a future.
 
2022-05-01 1:31:14 AM  
I'm doing right by evolution by removing my genes from consideration.
 
2022-05-01 1:46:28 AM  
What a dumb question.  You have a right, and a  reason to exist on your own.
Yes, you can waste your life, but only in a more modern sense, like you're  a wastrel.
 
2022-05-01 1:46:36 AM  
I have kids, and I say not at all. We can each touch and improve the world in lots of ways.
 
2022-05-01 1:47:37 AM  
D. Trump would have done the whole goddamn world a favor if he had gotten sterilized in puberty.
 
2022-05-01 2:18:05 AM  

cryinoutloud: What a dumb question.  You have a right, and a  reason to exist on your own.
Yes, you can waste your life, but only in a more modern sense, like you're  a wastrel.


Evolutionary biology would disagree. But we've come a long way baby
 
2022-05-01 2:18:36 AM  

Somacandra: D. Trump would have done the whole goddamn world a favor if he had gotten sterilized in puberty.


You're a generation late there.
 
2022-05-01 2:39:36 AM  

Somacandra: D. Trump would have done the whole goddamn world a favor if he had gotten sterilized in puberty.


I'm thinking Trump senior's early desperming would have been even better.
 
2022-05-01 3:20:24 AM  
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At age 17 I was in my sophomore year of college, and in Sociology my term paper was to identify and provide a solution for what I considered the biggest problem facing humanity.

So I gave a paper stating overpopulation was the worst problem being faced by the human race, and the solution was compulsory: permanent but reversible contraception for all citizens, administered at age 12.

As an adult, you could apply for a procreation license by sitting for examination by a democratically-elected board, where you had to prove that you were financially, intellectually and emotionally capable of having a child.

I gave this paper at San Angelo State University in Texas (I wanted to be away from my parents in DC, and was staying with my grandmother). Around 10 students walked out during my presentation, and I received several threats in following weeks. I left Texas at the end of the term for California, and I've been here since. Personally, I've decided against having kids.
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2022-05-01 4:36:18 AM  
"Why on earth would I want to bring children into the world as it is today?" seems to work in most cases.  Throw in a dem / rep talking point depending on the audience and the subject is almost instantly dropped.
 
2022-05-01 5:09:32 AM  
Is my life a waste if blank?

Zoom all the way in and the answer is always no.

Zoom far enough out and, unless humans create AI that traverse the universe, that answer is always yes.
 
2022-05-01 5:10:16 AM  

Stephen_Falken: <CSB>
At age 17 I was in my sophomore year of college, and in Sociology my term paper was to identify and provide a solution for what I considered the biggest problem facing humanity.

So I gave a paper stating overpopulation was the worst problem being faced by the human race, and the solution was compulsory: permanent but reversible contraception for all citizens, administered at age 12.

As an adult, you could apply for a procreation license by sitting for examination by a democratically-elected board, where you had to prove that you were financially, intellectually and emotionally capable of having a child.

I gave this paper at San Angelo State University in Texas (I wanted to be away from my parents in DC, and was staying with my grandmother). Around 10 students walked out during my presentation, and I received several threats in following weeks. I left Texas at the end of the term for California, and I've been here since. Personally, I've decided against having kids.
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Solve racism and bigotry and we can play eugenics.
 
2022-05-01 5:13:43 AM  

Stephen_Falken: <CSB>
At age 17 I was in my sophomore year of college, and in Sociology my term paper was to identify and provide a solution for what I considered the biggest problem facing humanity.

So I gave a paper stating overpopulation was the worst problem being faced by the human race, and the solution was compulsory: permanent but reversible contraception for all citizens, administered at age 12.

As an adult, you could apply for a procreation license by sitting for examination by a democratically-elected board, where you had to prove that you were financially, intellectually and emotionally capable of having a child.

I gave this paper at San Angelo State University in Texas (I wanted to be away from my parents in DC, and was staying with my grandmother). Around 10 students walked out during my presentation, and I received several threats in following weeks. I left Texas at the end of the term for California, and I've been here since. Personally, I've decided against having kids.
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What you suggested could be summed up as "Genocide against all non-whites within a generation." So yeah, I think they were right to believe you were a monster. Of course, being a monster from time to time is normal for 17 year olds.
 
2022-05-01 5:18:05 AM  

fragMasterFlash: It takes a village. Those who don't contribute to the future gene pool can still contribute by helping to sustain a society where children are educated rather than exploited in work houses.


1000x this. And it can go on your whole life. 40, no longer speak to either parent, and recently came out as trans which brought me closer than ever to my aunt - who never had children. Parental and familial figures can come in all forms and shapes at different times in life.
 
2022-05-01 5:30:05 AM  

anuran: Stephen_Falken: <CSB>
At age 17 I was in my sophomore year of college, and in Sociology my term paper was to identify and provide a solution for what I considered the biggest problem facing humanity.

So I gave a paper stating overpopulation was the worst problem being faced by the human race, and the solution was compulsory: permanent but reversible contraception for all citizens, administered at age 12.

As an adult, you could apply for a procreation license by sitting for examination by a democratically-elected board, where you had to prove that you were financially, intellectually and emotionally capable of having a child.

I gave this paper at San Angelo State University in Texas (I wanted to be away from my parents in DC, and was staying with my grandmother). Around 10 students walked out during my presentation, and I received several threats in following weeks. I left Texas at the end of the term for California, and I've been here since. Personally, I've decided against having kids.
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What you suggested could be summed up as "Genocide against all non-whites within a generation." So yeah, I think they were right to believe you were a monster. Of course, being a monster from time to time is normal for 17 year olds.


Being an adult proud of your 17 yo self's brilliance is less normal, but it works for some.

Norquist, for example.
 
2022-05-01 5:57:15 AM  
Seriously, my biggest regret is ignoring all of those final warnings that my car's warranty was about to--

Hold on, phone's ringing.
 
2022-05-01 6:08:42 AM  
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2022-05-01 6:38:50 AM  

foo monkey: If my children no longer speak to me, do I have children?


Dad?
 
2022-05-01 6:39:35 AM  
As a bald guy with bad skin and recovering from twenty years of alcoholism I'm really glad I haven't passed on my genes. I had a vasectomy many years ago and have no regrets about that.

I'm glad to have been a step-parent to four kids who are now all functioning adults who have gone out into the world fairly healthy and stable. I'd have been a better step-parent if I hadn't been such a heavy drinker but to the extent that's the case, I think I've served as a terrible warning on those occasions I haven't served as a good example.

We catch up with the kids fairly regularly and have a fun time, often we share a meal at an interesting restaurant, and it's a good part of my life. And as well as picking up the bill for the dinner, I'm still doing okay as a step-parent by at least showing them I've overcome my addiction.

You don't 'waste your life' by not having kids but I think you do waste your life if you do nothing at all for the next generation, whether that's engaging with nieces and nephews, or making charitable donations, or being involved with causes like environmental issues which are about leaving a liveable planet for future humans.
 
2022-05-01 6:43:55 AM  
No.  Making more people is irresponsible at best.
 
2022-05-01 7:13:12 AM  
Don't be ridiculous.
 
2022-05-01 7:25:30 AM  
Well, I was going to post "to each their own, some people need kids and that is understandable, but I'd rather save my money for an easier retirement, as well I need way too much time to myself."

But then this thread got all eugenic-y.
 
2022-05-01 8:13:41 AM  
What a stupid question. My boyfriend and I don't have children because we don't want to be parents, not because we hate kids. We'll gladly babysit for friends, family, and neighbors, and we thoroughly enjoy being Auntie Liz and Uncle Adam because we can spoil them rotten, then return them to their parents. Your life isn't considered a waste or empty or unfulfilled because you've chosen not to procreate. Just because you can doesn't mean you have to.

I lost my mother at the end of March, and she was a wonderful, wonderful woman. Mother's Day will be difficult for me because I don't have mine anymore, not because I'm not one myself.
 
2022-05-01 8:30:40 AM  

Redh8t: Naido: Butt stuff.  I rest my case.

Mustache rides. I rest on your face.


I find your theories intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2022-05-01 8:35:44 AM  
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2022-05-01 8:40:48 AM  

Stephen_Falken: <CSB>
At age 17 I was in my sophomore year of college, and in Sociology my term paper was to identify and provide a solution for what I considered the biggest problem facing humanity.

So I gave a paper stating overpopulation was the worst problem being faced by the human race, and the solution was compulsory: permanent but reversible contraception for all citizens, administered at age 12.

As an adult, you could apply for a procreation license by sitting for examination by a democratically-elected board, where you had to prove that you were financially, intellectually and emotionally capable of having a child.

I gave this paper at San Angelo State University in Texas (I wanted to be away from my parents in DC, and was staying with my grandmother). Around 10 students walked out during my presentation, and I received several threats in following weeks. I left Texas at the end of the term for California, and I've been here since. Personally, I've decided against having kids.
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Scarcity of resources caused by constant population growth is what academics call "an economy."  And without an economy, social stratification between the haves and have nots would completely break down.

Which means no board who gets to decide who reproduces.   Chicken and egg problem there.
 
2022-05-01 8:50:52 AM  
As someone who has children: No.
 
2022-05-01 9:02:32 AM  
Only someone with no sense of curiosity about existence, about philosophy, about logic, could make such a sad and pathetic false dichotomy statement.

I raised two amazing kids to adulthood, and they're off conquering the world. I loved/love every moment of parenting.  I'm also mentally broken, living in near poverty and slowly sliding towards death.

There's no scoreboard, we all end up in oblivion.  How we consider ourselves is nothing more than a momentary state of mind, that can vary from one moment to the next.  This isn't World of Warcraft, there's no universally defined leveling system where you can win or lose the game.

Kids or no kids is a stupid metric for deciding if your life is a waste.  Your kids could turn out to be helpful kind humans, or they could turn out to be the worst vermin.  That should tell you that kids alone isn't a useful indicator of a wasted life or not.

Live your best life, you get one chance, spread a little happiness if you can, be happy if you can, if you can't do that, that's fine too, be content and harm no one, worry less about people who aren't harming you.  Find your way to get through life, there's no universal equality in our resources and abilities.

I could go on and write a thesis on this topic, but I won't.  You're welcome.
 
2022-05-01 9:18:30 AM  
The opposite is true. Civilization at large should feel like they dodged a bullet letting my family genome die out.
 
2022-05-01 9:41:25 AM  
Bovine Diarrhea Virus:

I did similar and I've got a kid.
 
2022-05-01 9:49:20 AM  
Oh my god no.  There are a ridiculous number of humans on this rock right now. There is no imperative to procreate far and wide.

I doubt strongly that I will have biological grandkids. Neither of my kids is eager to reproduce, although one has hinted at the possibility of adopting an existing kidlet or two. At one point in my life I would have been crushed by this realization, but looking at the state of things currently, and the fact that the people who make the rules seem in no hurry to do a damned thing about our impending doom, I feel only relief.

If I get the Grandma urge strong enough, I'll go volunteer somewhere. It's not about me anymore.
 
2022-05-01 10:21:03 AM  
What's the point of having kids? They'll just be dead in 80 years anyway.
 
2022-05-01 10:51:44 AM  

Gubbo: cryinoutloud: What a dumb question.  You have a right, and a  reason to exist on your own.
Yes, you can waste your life, but only in a more modern sense, like you're  a wastrel.
Evolutionary biology would disagree. But we've come a long way baby


Evolutionary biology is a fad that changes every time some new  writer comes up with something, and then is widely misinterpreted to support whatever horseshiat we want to excuse ourselves for now.

WE as a species might not have a good reason to exist--but do any of them?  We're already here, and god or whatever you believe in says that we have worth.   If you'd like to tear that down so that you can excuse your own behavior because "we have no inherent right to exist" then I bet you also subscribe to "but some of us have more right to exist than others."
Because every time somebody trots out that "survival of the fittest" shiat I know that they're a man, and they're probably well-off and think that they rule the farking world.  If others die because of their reign, well, they had no RIGHT to exist in the first place, and you were better.  It's NATURAL.

So nobody knows biology either, and just uses the subject to prop up whatever they want to believe according to their moral sense.  If we have no right to exist, then hey, I guess it doesn't matter if men blow up the whole planet, does it?
And you don't believe in God or anything like that, because that's so farking old-fashioned.  "Humility"  "Thankfulness"  "respect"  "gratitude"  WHAT THE FARK IS THAT?  The farking BIBLE?  What kind of crap is that?  You're a SCIENTIST

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2022-05-01 10:54:17 AM  
I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables - slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shiat we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war... Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
 
2022-05-01 10:56:20 AM  
Your life doesn't belong to your parents, it belongs to you.  Always has.

Same for your children, you don't own their lives, no matter their age.  You're just responsible for them because you brought them into this world.

You can't dictate what they do, or DON'T do, with their lives.  Nor can your parents do so to you.

Just smile, tell them that you love them, and go about your business.

Aloha.
 
2022-05-01 11:04:33 AM  
There's too many damn people already.
 
2022-05-01 11:11:11 AM  
I don't even have a girlfriend anymore. Can't get much more of a waste that throwing away 30 years of your life on someone who never cared about you.
 
2022-05-01 11:11:21 AM  
YES.  It's also a waste if you do have children, so I'm not sure what that qualifier was tacked on for...
 
2022-05-01 11:11:24 AM  
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Life is not wasted when you can play Untitled Goose Game in real life any time you want.
 
2022-05-01 11:11:54 AM  
*than...motherfucker...even got myself a new Das Keyboard to stop that shit...
 
2022-05-01 11:39:15 AM  
I teach kids all day. I don't need more of that when I get home. *chuckle*
 
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