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2022-04-30 6:18:07 AM  
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2022-04-30 8:54:34 AM  
I actually am looking at buying some land on the north side of Lake Huron and building one of these although I don't want to use tires. I'll use earth bags instead.
 
2022-04-30 9:17:49 AM  
There's never enough aluminum.
 
2022-04-30 9:32:18 AM  
Every civilization is constructed of the detritus of the past.
 
2022-04-30 10:21:03 AM  
I've seen hay bales.
I remember one made of glass bottles and mortar.
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This one actually
all glass bottles
 
2022-04-30 10:23:43 AM  
Here's a modern one with plastic bottles.

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I would think aluminum cans filled with sand, two rows thick would work too, The sand would give mass and sink heat.
 
2022-04-30 10:36:43 AM  
An old co-worker of mine went full on sovereign citizen about a decade ago.  He quit his job and built an earthship like these, along with his own semi-sustainable farm and raising chickens and things.

I keep him on facebook becasue some of the stuff he does are extremely neat, outside of the 'flag fringe' ramblings and other craziness.  He's been running 'native sweat lodge' sessions for men and espousing 'native teachings' for the last couple years, despite being the whitest white guy who was ever white.
 
2022-04-30 10:37:43 AM  
I'm on my nth Fallout 4 playthrough, and this ones a Lazy Modder run.

Unlimited Resources Shipment - 100k pieces of every piece of junk material in the form of a weightless list that you can drop into any workshop.

Settlement Electricity Overhaul - Put down one special switch and it gives 1000 wireless power to the settlement. Build a light or a turret anywhere in the settlement and it switches on

Scrap that Settlement - Scrap all sorts of junk, leaves, bushes, hedges and ruined structures that you couldn't touch in the vanilla game; neatens up the place nicely

No Build Limit: Nothing like seeing 100 heavy turrets carving mincemeat out of invaders. Too much build and the settlement starts lagging, but the Scrap that Settlement mod helps clear out a lot of space.
 
2022-04-30 11:16:06 AM  
I remember Dennis Wever had an Earthship home.

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2022-04-30 11:31:23 AM  
Here's a documentary about the guy who invented Earthships, and the trip he and his crew made to help a tsunami-flattened Andaman Islands in the Pacific Ocean build new housing out of tires and bottles. It's fascinating.

Garbage Warrior
Youtube 2dUT7TBpDqw
 
2022-04-30 11:38:31 AM  

UNC_Samurai: There's never enough aluminum.


Good thing it's the most abundant metal on earth.
 
2022-04-30 11:39:52 AM  
Here is a tour of Earthships outside Taos, NM.
Earthships: self-sustaining homes for a post-apocalyptic land?
Youtube efI77fzBgvg
 
2022-04-30 11:48:49 AM  
Always thought those glass bottle walls were gorgeous when the light hits em well. I'd like to do one someday, maybe a decorative wall or garden partition, not a whole wall or off grid house.
 
2022-04-30 12:09:55 PM  

cretinbob: Here's a modern one with plastic bottles.

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I would think aluminum cans filled with sand, two rows thick would work too, The sand would give mass and sink heat.


They explain in the Earthship tour I posted below that the aluminum can walls they build are made with 2 empty cans, in order to save weight. The strength of the wall comes from the matrix of concrete that holds it together, like a honeycomb, or the spaces in corrugated cardboard. They use them for interior walls and outside retaining walls in the garden.
 
2022-04-30 12:17:58 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: I'm on my nth Fallout 4 playthrough, and this ones a Lazy Modder run.

Unlimited Resources Shipment - 100k pieces of every piece of junk material in the form of a weightless list that you can drop into any workshop.

Settlement Electricity Overhaul - Put down one special switch and it gives 1000 wireless power to the settlement. Build a light or a turret anywhere in the settlement and it switches on

Scrap that Settlement - Scrap all sorts of junk, leaves, bushes, hedges and ruined structures that you couldn't touch in the vanilla game; neatens up the place nicely

No Build Limit: Nothing like seeing 100 heavy turrets carving mincemeat out of invaders. Too much build and the settlement starts lagging, but the Scrap that Settlement mod helps clear out a lot of space.


I started a new playthrough using a god mode special mod for 10 in everything, a Sanctuary rebuild mod that gives nice starting equipment, a scrapping mod, and Sim Settlements 2.

I've never completed the main quest line and Nuka World, so I intend to finally do that and finish up getting the Steam Achievements I'm missing.... Or until a new shiney distracts me, whichever comes first.
 
2022-04-30 12:26:03 PM  

omg bbq: UNC_Samurai: There's never enough aluminum.

Good thing it's the most abundant metal on earth.


Yeah, except that it requires a tremendous amount of energy to extract from the ore. Also, there is essentially no bauxite in North America.

That means when you throw away an aluminum can replacing it requires strip mining bauxite ore in South America, transporting it by rail, loading it onto huge ships, sailing a few thousand miles, moving the ore to refractory, heating the ore until it is liquid, passing a tremendous amount of electricity through the magma, and then skimming the aluminum metal off the top and casting it into ingots.
 
2022-04-30 12:33:58 PM  

madgonad: omg bbq: UNC_Samurai: There's never enough aluminum.

Good thing it's the most abundant metal on earth.

Yeah, except that it requires a tremendous amount of energy to extract from the ore. Also, there is essentially no bauxite in North America.

That means when you throw away an aluminum can replacing it requires strip mining bauxite ore in South America, transporting it by rail, loading it onto huge ships, sailing a few thousand miles, moving the ore to refractory, heating the ore until it is liquid, passing a tremendous amount of electricity through the magma, and then skimming the aluminum metal off the top and casting it into ingots.


This.

When I found out it takes like 1/20 the energy to ♻ a can than it does to move and process new I haven't simply tossed a can since.
 
2022-04-30 12:43:05 PM  

Kiler: Garza and the Supermutants: I'm on my nth Fallout 4 playthrough, and this ones a Lazy Modder run.

Unlimited Resources Shipment - 100k pieces of every piece of junk material in the form of a weightless list that you can drop into any workshop.

Settlement Electricity Overhaul - Put down one special switch and it gives 1000 wireless power to the settlement. Build a light or a turret anywhere in the settlement and it switches on

Scrap that Settlement - Scrap all sorts of junk, leaves, bushes, hedges and ruined structures that you couldn't touch in the vanilla game; neatens up the place nicely

No Build Limit: Nothing like seeing 100 heavy turrets carving mincemeat out of invaders. Too much build and the settlement starts lagging, but the Scrap that Settlement mod helps clear out a lot of space.

I started a new playthrough using a god mode special mod for 10 in everything, a Sanctuary rebuild mod that gives nice starting equipment, a scrapping mod, and Sim Settlements 2.

I've never completed the main quest line and Nuka World, so I intend to finally do that and finish up getting the Steam Achievements I'm missing.... Or until a new shiney distracts me, whichever comes first.


Nuka World is a great design, but it revolves around several fetch quests that can be tedious at times.
 
2022-04-30 1:15:29 PM  
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2022-04-30 1:31:38 PM  

cretinbob: I've seen hay bales.
I remember one made of glass bottles and mortar.
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This one actually
all glass bottles


Now there's a home for someone who doesn't throw stones.
 
2022-04-30 1:54:45 PM  
The problem with this is the inconsistency of the building materials. These are all individual works of art, not a repeatable housing solution. They are undoubtedly cool, but if your sustainable solution isn't available to anyone except the most well off, it's neither sustainable, nor a solution.
 
2022-04-30 2:15:06 PM  
Darwin beer can boats.

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2022-04-30 2:26:19 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: Nuka World is a great design, but it revolves around several fetch quests that can be tedious at times.


Yeah, its really fun to look at it, but the quest design is lacking if you don't wanna be a raider. I'm going to try out a mod that gives you more options on my current run.
 
2022-04-30 2:44:12 PM  
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My FO4 recycling depot. Junk goes in and is automatically sorted into various categories to be fed into manufacturing + disassembly lines. E.g. anything with lead goes to make bullets, while aluminum and adhesives go into their own hoppers to be used elsewhere. One machine makes steel balls and plastic toys, leaving behind all of the screws, springs, gears etc. for other projects.
 
2022-04-30 2:55:40 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: I'm on my nth Fallout 4 playthrough, and this ones a Lazy Modder run.

Unlimited Resources Shipment - 100k pieces of every piece of junk material in the form of a weightless list that you can drop into any workshop.

Settlement Electricity Overhaul - Put down one special switch and it gives 1000 wireless power to the settlement. Build a light or a turret anywhere in the settlement and it switches on

Scrap that Settlement - Scrap all sorts of junk, leaves, bushes, hedges and ruined structures that you couldn't touch in the vanilla game; neatens up the place nicely

No Build Limit: Nothing like seeing 100 heavy turrets carving mincemeat out of invaders. Too much build and the settlement starts lagging, but the Scrap that Settlement mod helps clear out a lot of space.


On the PS4 version, if you add enough mods to clean up settlements, it makes it almost a certainty that the game will crash during the mission where you fly to the Prydwen, right as you fly over the dead center of the map.
 
2022-04-30 3:08:33 PM  

Psychopompous: cretinbob: Here's a modern one with plastic bottles.

[i.pinimg.com image 640x480]

I would think aluminum cans filled with sand, two rows thick would work too, The sand would give mass and sink heat.

They explain in the Earthship tour I posted below that the aluminum can walls they build are made with 2 empty cans, in order to save weight. The strength of the wall comes from the matrix of concrete that holds it together, like a honeycomb, or the spaces in corrugated cardboard. They use them for interior walls and outside retaining walls in the garden.


that makes sense, especially with a taller wall.
 
2022-04-30 3:37:41 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: I'm on my nth Fallout 4 playthrough, and this ones a Lazy Modder run.

Unlimited Resources Shipment - 100k pieces of every piece of junk material in the form of a weightless list that you can drop into any workshop.

Settlement Electricity Overhaul - Put down one special switch and it gives 1000 wireless power to the settlement. Build a light or a turret anywhere in the settlement and it switches on

Scrap that Settlement - Scrap all sorts of junk, leaves, bushes, hedges and ruined structures that you couldn't touch in the vanilla game; neatens up the place nicely

No Build Limit: Nothing like seeing 100 heavy turrets carving mincemeat out of invaders. Too much build and the settlement starts lagging, but the Scrap that Settlement mod helps clear out a lot of space.


I did all four factions (why did they not add the Raiders as a main game ending in the Nuka World DLC) and had shotgun/jetpack, sniper/VATS, pistol/stealth and melee/big guns builds. I can't see a reason to go back, and the mods just made the game more unstable than it already was. Even the pay mods by Bethesda were janky (NPCs unable to pathfind at donut shop walls and doors - and that's the best of their mods - and the Tunnel Snakes mod with its OP pistol makes it unable to finish the opening missions as Codsworth and the Minutemen freeze up).

/done two playthroughs of Mass Effect Andromeda and three of ME Trilogy in past year anyway. Currently doing an Indra automatic sniper/heavy single shot pistol engineer build in ME3
 
2022-04-30 5:21:38 PM  
Fallout 4 settlement building made me sad.

I was expecting to rise up with your army and storm somewhere, maybe have a back and forth territorial dispute but instead just got annoying raids where even the biggest, heftiest settlement would go down if you ignored them, then the game ended with a solo mission and any time you had spent on them went straight into the trash.
 
2022-04-30 5:47:45 PM  

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I miss Fallout 2.

If someone could remake it with current graphics, though, dunno if I'd have patience for it.
 
2022-04-30 7:27:33 PM  

dyhchong: Fallout 4 settlement building made me sad.

I was expecting to rise up with your army and storm somewhere, maybe have a back and forth territorial dispute but instead just got annoying raids where even the biggest, heftiest settlement would go down if you ignored them, then the game ended with a solo mission and any time you had spent on them went straight into the trash.


You do get to take on BoS when you follow the MinuteMan storyline, but that's a very short war. Your artillery shoots down Pryddwen, then you shoot up a bunch of vertibirds, and the war is over.

<rant>Brotherhood of Steel are supposed to be the closest thing to an organized military in the game, but they're farking incompetent at just about everything. They have total air superiority, but use it stupidly. They've got powered-armor troops with heavy weapons and they use them to run checkpoints. They send out "patrols" which never have- or call for- air support. They don't use defense in depth or interlocking fields of fire, and they just LOVE bunching up together so a couple of grenades can puree the lot. They're almost as bad as russians.</rant>
 
2022-04-30 8:23:21 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Garza and the Supermutants: I'm on my nth Fallout 4 playthrough, and this ones a Lazy Modder run.

Unlimited Resources Shipment - 100k pieces of every piece of junk material in the form of a weightless list that you can drop into any workshop.

Settlement Electricity Overhaul - Put down one special switch and it gives 1000 wireless power to the settlement. Build a light or a turret anywhere in the settlement and it switches on

Scrap that Settlement - Scrap all sorts of junk, leaves, bushes, hedges and ruined structures that you couldn't touch in the vanilla game; neatens up the place nicely

No Build Limit: Nothing like seeing 100 heavy turrets carving mincemeat out of invaders. Too much build and the settlement starts lagging, but the Scrap that Settlement mod helps clear out a lot of space.

On the PS4 version, if you add enough mods to clean up settlements, it makes it almost a certainty that the game will crash during the mission where you fly to the Prydwen, right as you fly over the dead center of the map.


I haven't had that happen yet. The only settlement you come close to from Cambridge Police Station to the Prydwen is Hangman's Alley, and it's not even that close.

I can see it, though, I tried to add a mod that built a single dungeon on an island off the coast of Kingsport Lighthouse, and it ended up partially unscrapping all of my settlements.
 
2022-04-30 10:08:48 PM  

Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 850x478]
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My FO4 recycling depot. Junk goes in and is automatically sorted into various categories to be fed into manufacturing + disassembly lines. E.g. anything with lead goes to make bullets, while aluminum and adhesives go into their own hoppers to be used elsewhere. One machine makes steel balls and plastic toys, leaving behind all of the screws, springs, gears etc. for other projects.


I don't even remember that shirt of thing being possible.  Is that a mod?
 
2022-04-30 10:12:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 850x478]
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My FO4 recycling depot. Junk goes in and is automatically sorted into various categories to be fed into manufacturing + disassembly lines. E.g. anything with lead goes to make bullets, while aluminum and adhesives go into their own hoppers to be used elsewhere. One machine makes steel balls and plastic toys, leaving behind all of the screws, springs, gears etc. for other projects.

I don't even remember that shirt of thing being possible.  Is that a mod?


https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Contraptions_Workshop
 
2022-04-30 10:51:50 PM  

Ivo Shandor: ArcadianRefugee: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 850x478]
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My FO4 recycling depot. Junk goes in and is automatically sorted into various categories to be fed into manufacturing + disassembly lines. E.g. anything with lead goes to make bullets, while aluminum and adhesives go into their own hoppers to be used elsewhere. One machine makes steel balls and plastic toys, leaving behind all of the screws, springs, gears etc. for other projects.

I don't even remember that shirt of thing being possible.  Is that a mod?

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Contraptions_Workshop


Ah.

I should do more DLC stuff.
 
2022-05-01 1:04:08 AM  
Automatron is underrated I think.
I'm just getting back into it. Now that I have a new rig, the graphics are.....bruh
It's an aesthetic, and yeah it's glitchy, but good software really always has been.
I wanted to go legit and thoguht I was buying the GOTY package, but I failed. I think I'll add automatron though.
 
2022-05-01 1:04:43 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: FatherChaos: [Fark user image 600x315]

I miss Fallout 2.

If someone could remake it with current graphics, though, dunno if I'd have patience for it.


A new iso Fallout could be fun. It would make a great phone app.
 
2022-05-01 4:00:12 AM  

Screaming Candle: The problem with this is the inconsistency of the building materials. These are all individual works of art, not a repeatable housing solution. They are undoubtedly cool, but if your sustainable solution isn't available to anyone except the most well off, it's neither sustainable, nor a solution.


I think what you are viewing as a problem is also a positive.  Most "off grid" construction concepts aren't meant to be billed out to Lowes/Walmart for pieces and parts for the majority - but actively clearing out landfills of usable materials.

(Which, by the way FALLOUT portion of the thread, WhyTF aren't there any landfills full of junk for our crafting needs?  That whole car junkyard is pretty much untouchable - but you know there is steel, aluminum, rubber, etc...)

Sorry, random - going to a used tire yard and getting enough for your outer walls should just be a pick up - not a down payment for the mortgage of your new place

cretinbob: Ketchuponsteak: FatherChaos: [Fark user image 600x315]

I miss Fallout 2.

If someone could remake it with current graphics, though, dunno if I'd have patience for it.

A new iso Fallout could be fun. It would make a great phone app.


Say Syke.  Say Syke right now.

Don't let them dumb down any future FO games down to a frikkin phone app... not again.
 
2022-05-01 10:15:57 AM  
Yeah, I guess they aren't powerful enough
 
2022-05-01 11:17:15 AM  
UFC Strawweight champ Rose Namajunas approves. I had to Google "Earthship," I thought she was talking about some sort of Jeff Bezos/Elon Musk type thingamcdoohickie for space.

UFC 261: Rose Namajunas Octagon Interview | "I Did It Again!"
Youtube RNVx_r1k4DM
 
2022-05-01 12:13:39 PM  

cretinbob: Ketchuponsteak: FatherChaos: [Fark user image 600x315]

I miss Fallout 2.

If someone could remake it with current graphics, though, dunno if I'd have patience for it.

A new iso Fallout could be fun. It would make a great phone app.


Indeed, the format leads well to be playable in small bites.

I know a successor to Fallout 2 was made under the original name of Wasteland 2 and 3, but I don't really know if my tastes have changed.

They feel to much like Fallout Tactics.
 
2022-05-01 12:17:10 PM  

makerofbadjokes: Screaming Candle: The problem with this is the inconsistency of the building materials. These are all individual works of art, not a repeatable housing solution. They are undoubtedly cool, but if your sustainable solution isn't available to anyone except the most well off, it's neither sustainable, nor a solution.

I think what you are viewing as a problem is also a positive.  Most "off grid" construction concepts aren't meant to be billed out to Lowes/Walmart for pieces and parts for the majority - but actively clearing out landfills of usable materials.

(Which, by the way FALLOUT portion of the thread, WhyTF aren't there any landfills full of junk for our crafting needs?  That whole car junkyard is pretty much untouchable - but you know there is steel, aluminum, rubber, etc...)

Sorry, random - going to a used tire yard and getting enough for your outer walls should just be a pick up - not a down payment for the mortgage of your new place

cretinbob: Ketchuponsteak: FatherChaos: [Fark user image 600x315]

I miss Fallout 2.

If someone could remake it with current graphics, though, dunno if I'd have patience for it.

A new iso Fallout could be fun. It would make a great phone app.

Say Syke.  Say Syke right now.

Don't let them dumb down any future FO games down to a frikkin phone app... not again.


Fallout can't be dumbed anymore down that Besheda had done.

Its a tragedy they took that license and ruined it.
 
2022-05-01 1:19:09 PM  
Fallout 2 is Best Fallout!

Ketchuponsteak: They feel to much like Fallout Tactics.


Fallout Tactics is a very good game if you accept her as a beautiful woman with a few missing teeth. It has warts which took a bit of work to overlook.
 
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