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2022-04-22 3:37:23 PM  
Beards are not that necessary much anymore in urban areas of the US. The deep red and far right areas of the US beards to appear to still be needed.
 
2022-04-22 3:53:18 PM  
Most annoying are the beards where the owner looks like he's trying to win some kind of length contest.

Just trim the damn thing so it doesn't look like Spanish Moss hanging off your chin will ya?
 
2022-04-22 4:01:52 PM  
I can't beard , I have some Derm thing where I break out horribly if I get lazy and let my facial hair grow too much. I don't shave every day but I can tell if I let it go too long when it starts to bug me.
 
2022-04-22 4:06:28 PM  
 
2022-04-22 4:10:02 PM  
Maybe if I worked for a boatyard.  That's what all the bearded dudes™ seem to do up here.

Or they're farmers.
 
2022-04-22 4:10:57 PM  
I used to beard every winter, then shave it into a variety of styles in the spring: muttonchops, goatee, stache, etc.  (It entertained my students.). Now it's all gray so I don't bother.
 
2022-04-22 4:12:36 PM  
I'll keep my Van Gogh because I don't have much of a chin.
 
2022-04-22 4:13:20 PM  
I look like a hobo if I don't shave.
 
2022-04-22 4:15:41 PM  
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If you still care about wearing a properly fitting mask during this pandemic, your choice of facial hair is still paramount.
 
2022-04-22 4:17:06 PM  

majestic: I'll keep my Van Gogh because I don't have much of a chin.


What does cutting off part of your left ear have to do with your chin?
 
2022-04-22 4:23:02 PM  
Also: did anyone else think TFA had something to do with John Travolta and/or Tom Cruise?
 
2022-04-22 4:28:34 PM  

kyleaugustus: [Fark user image 850x477]

If you still care about wearing a properly fitting mask during this pandemic, your choice of facial hair is still paramount.


Cool that Zappa gets his own category.
 
2022-04-22 4:40:50 PM  

Flowery Twats: Most annoying are the beards where the owner looks like he's trying to win some kind of length contest.

Just trim the damn thing so it doesn't look like Spanish Moss hanging off your chin will ya?


You're not my supervisor.
 
2022-04-22 4:44:15 PM  
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2022-04-22 4:45:38 PM  

kyleaugustus: [Fark user image image 850x477]

If you still care about wearing a properly fitting mask during this pandemic, your choice of facial hair is still paramount.


fark. That.

I mask all the time. An N95 is a great choice with or without a beard, but we never needed a full 100% seal to be safe. Even regular mask.does a great job of reducing risk, and my beard is not an accessory it's my face.

If shaving your head made masks somehow slightly more effective would you have gone full bald? That's the equivalent to me. My hairs I can live without, but my beard has become an intrical part of my face. Not because I have some weird beard obsession of fuss over it, because it's been with me for a long time, I like it, and I would not feel right without it. Even as time I  trimmed it short I intensly hated that I had.

#beardlife
 
2022-04-22 4:47:47 PM  
Mine hides both my crossbite jaw and a weird scar on my chin that I can't effectively shave.
 
2022-04-22 4:48:39 PM  

chawco: we never needed a full 100% seal to be safe.


Unless you have to wear a respirator for work.
 
2022-04-22 4:56:29 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: chawco: we never needed a full 100% seal to be safe.

Unless you have to wear a respirator for work.


Which I don't. And wasn't the comment OP was making, as far as I could tell. Which may not have been far. The internet is the internet and text is a terrible medium for comunication.
 
2022-04-22 5:05:23 PM  

kyleaugustus: [Fark user image 850x477]

If you still care about wearing a properly fitting mask during this pandemic, your choice of facial hair is still paramount.


Wearing the same style (basic Amish) I did in the Navy and never had any problems with getting the OBA mask to seal.  Nor a KN95 today.
 
2022-04-22 5:09:46 PM  
I'm far too lazy to shave everyday, so I'll always have a beard.  Only have to trim it up once every couple of weeks.  I also look like a Muppet when fully shaved.
 
2022-04-22 5:24:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: chawco: we never needed a full 100% seal to be safe.

Unless you have to wear a respirator for work.


Exactly.  From my years of EMS, it was always a company limit of 1/4" maximum for fit-testing.  If you want your N95 to actually work, it needs to make a snug seal.  Facial hair around the edges obstruct that seal.

chawco: If shaving your head made masks somehow slightly more effective would you have gone full bald?


I can't fairly answer this question.  I already shave my head once or twice a week for similarly aesthetic motivations.  Gotta have that Sisko dome.  What I can say is that I've dabbled with on-off beards in the past, from a regular full beard to a goatee to a choppy Chester A Arthur.  Beards can be fun.

I'm more than willing to live without those and with my visible extra chin to reduce my risk of Covid.
 
2022-04-22 5:38:12 PM  

kyleaugustus: I'm more than willing to live without those and with my visible extra chin to reduce my risk of Covid.


I guess that's fair, but the reduction is risk is incredibly small between a decent mask.and fully fit N95, excepting certain extreme risk situations.

My nursey girlfriend doesn't need to N95 unless she enters a covid unit. Surgical.masks are good enough for the hospitals because they work very well.

I'm not arguing against your preferred level of protection, but I'm also no fan of being told I don't care because my face has hair on it.
 
2022-04-22 5:40:43 PM  
Any thing that will" never end " is just about over.
 
2022-04-22 5:50:40 PM  
Fashion says we

Stopped reading right there.
 
2022-04-22 6:01:39 PM  
Michele says "If only I'd decided not to beard."
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2022-04-22 6:34:53 PM  
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Rare image of Charles Nelson Reilly with a beard
 
2022-04-22 6:47:45 PM  

stovepipe: I'm far too lazy to shave everyday, so I'll always have a beard.  Only have to trim it up once every couple of weeks.  I also look like a Muppet when fully shaved.


Be honest now; you look like a muppet bearded as well.

/Also have a muppet face (semi) covered with a beard born of laziness.
 
2022-04-22 6:58:48 PM  
I shave once a year or so to check for asymmetrical moles. I've also shaved for trips to Ireland to avoid being thought of as a beardo. I am slightly less weird-looking to myself when I have a tidy architect's-type beard and slightly more weird-looking when I approach Jeremiah Johnson territory. I hate how I look with no beard (old and creepy).
 
2022-04-22 7:59:01 PM  
Beards have been a thing for literally millennia. If you wanna shave, shave. If you don't, don't.

If your employer makes you shave and there's no practical reason for requiring it, f*ck your employer.

I've generally found that straight women seem to prefer clean-shaven men and gay men prefer beards. There was a debate between friends on FB once about this and the gender divide became obvious. A bunch of straight women tried to pull this "You'd think differently if you had to deal with a beard in your vagina 🙃" argument, which backfired spectacularly when the gay trans men chimed in and told them they were full of sh*t. I was amused.
 
2022-04-22 8:07:30 PM  
Beards helped dorks fit in. Prove me wrong.
 
2022-04-22 9:07:38 PM  

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Pretty much why I've grown mine. It's a cheap solution to the middle-aged flab chin. I'm in the process of losing at least 100 lbs of flubber, officially 20 lbs down now, and may end up looking like a melted candle if I'm not careful.

So I grew a beard to see if I can. In case I need it later. I've got no S/O nor am I looking for one so there's no one to impress. At six months the jury is still out.
 
2022-04-22 9:18:39 PM  

austerity101: Beards have been a thing for literally millennia. If you wanna shave, shave. If you don't, don't.

If your employer makes you shave and there's no practical reason for requiring it, f*ck your employer.

I've generally found that straight women seem to prefer clean-shaven men and gay men prefer beards. There was a debate between friends on FB once about this and the gender divide became obvious. A bunch of straight women tried to pull this "You'd think differently if you had to deal with a beard in your vagina 🙃" argument, which backfired spectacularly when the gay trans men chimed in and told them they were full of sh*t. I was amused.


I'm with you, but I've been a huge red bingo on gaydar up until I grew a beard... NTTATWWT, but it was an interesting difference... much less interest from men after I grew a beard
 
2022-04-22 9:20:50 PM  

Magnetar: Beards helped dorks fit in. Prove me wrong.


Booze helps dorks fit in, beards are just a nice option these days
 
2022-04-22 10:07:25 PM  
I'm getting a big kick out of these replies.

I grew a beard in my 20s, and for about 25 years I was the only guy in the room with a beard.

Then around 2005 I looked around in a bar, and every single man had whiskers. I was annoyed, all you guys were getting in on my act.

Peak beard will never be here. Men look better in beards.
 
2022-04-22 10:10:21 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: Men look better in beards.


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2022-04-22 10:41:28 PM  
I'm a "shave every two months whether I need it or not guy".  I have very little facial hair and nowadays the facial hair I do have is so white it's practically transparent and can't be seen.
 
2022-04-22 10:47:45 PM  
I want one like Vigo
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2022-04-22 11:36:30 PM  
I tend to have a goatee, but right now I'm growing it out for the local need convention. The Dude and Bob Ross don't look right without an actual beard.
 
2022-04-22 11:37:12 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: I tend to have a goatee, but right now I'm growing it out for the local need convention. The Dude and Bob Ross don't look right without an actual beard.


*nerd convention
 
2022-04-23 4:04:06 AM  
Outside of those who live outdoors in the arctic or on the open seas there are only 2 reasons people grow beards.

1. Compensating for their insecure masculinity.
2. Covering up their lack of a real chin / other facial deformity.

And if you are about to chime in about religious requirements, see 1.
 
2022-04-23 6:23:11 AM  

austerity101: Beards have been a thing for literally millennia. If you wanna shave, shave. If you don't, don't.

If your employer makes you shave and there's no practical reason for requiring it, f*ck your employer.

I've generally found that straight women seem to prefer clean-shaven men and gay men prefer beards. There was a debate between friends on FB once about this and the gender divide became obvious. A bunch of straight women tried to pull this "You'd think differently if you had to deal with a beard in your vagina 🙃" argument, which backfired spectacularly when the gay trans men chimed in and told them they were full of sh*t. I was amused.


Think the article mentioned a study that concluded attractiveness of bearded men to females is inversely proportional to the percentage of men with beards. Novelty factor in play.
 
2022-04-23 6:27:36 AM  

Greymalkin: Outside of those who live outdoors in the arctic or on the open seas there are only 2 reasons people grow beards.

1. Compensating for their insecure masculinity.
2. Covering up their lack of a real chin / other facial deformity.

And if you are about to chime in about religious requirements, see 1.


3. Because shaving is a waste of time, money, and convenience.
4. Your skin is very prone to razor burn.
5. Men shouldn't bow to female societal pressure to look like prepubescent males.
 
2022-04-23 7:53:49 AM  
As someone that's intermittent fasting (article on yesterday's STEM page said it's useless) and has recently grown out a beard, I'm starting to feel attacked.

I'm getting old and hair loss on my head was to the point where it was starting to look ridiculous trying to keep it. So I got rid of it. Which made my face look way too round. Now a beard makes things more even and I'm happier which is all I care about.
 
2022-04-23 8:01:54 AM  
It is simple for me.

I grow my facial hair slowly, and the hair is very coarse and a bit curly. Once I get to about 3 mm in length it is curling into my neck and feels like thousands of daggers pricking my skin. My skin gets red and irritated and it itches like mad.

If it only lasted a day it would be fine, but it lasts long enough for me to snap and shave my neck clean.

Goatee's are doable and I have had them from time to time, primarily out of laziness.
 
2022-04-23 8:41:13 AM  

LiberalConservative: Greymalkin: Outside of those who live outdoors in the arctic or on the open seas there are only 2 reasons people grow beards.

1. Compensating for their insecure masculinity.
2. Covering up their lack of a real chin / other facial deformity.

And if you are about to chime in about religious requirements, see 1.

3. Because shaving is a waste of time, money, and convenience.
4. Your skin is very prone to razor burn.
5. Men shouldn't bow to female societal pressure to look like prepubescent males.


1.
2.
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2022-04-23 9:06:45 AM  
If God wanted my face to look like a woman's he would have given me boobs.

/actually an atheist, but you get my point
 
2022-04-23 11:36:30 AM  
This really is one of those "de gustibus non disputandum" things.

Some dudes look good with beards, some are better off clean-shaven.  Whichever look works for you, own it.
 
2022-04-23 12:09:01 PM  

chawco: I guess that's fair, but the reduction is risk is incredibly small between a decent mask.and fully fit N95, excepting certain extreme risk situations.

My nursey girlfriend doesn't need to N95 unless she enters a covid unit. Surgical.masks are good enough for the hospitals because they work very well.

I'm not arguing against your preferred level of protection, but I'm also no fan of being told I don't care because my face has hair on it.


I don't want to make this a kind of personal attack.  I don't know you.  You're hardly the only person with a beard for aesthetic reasons.  I'm not here to hurt feelings or be a jerk to people.  But, we're two years into this and have pretty clear information on what works better and works worse.  If we're taking the Swiss cheese approach of layered protection, having good masking practices is important, too.  Wearing substantial facial hair and having the goal of good preventative effort don't go together.  Hair around the edges of your mask is creating a new path of least resistance for your breath out and your breath in.  Like having a loosely fitted pipe, it leaks.

I'll point to another area of risk where we take reasonably doable precautions to prevent injury and death: driving.  At present, cars are killing ~1/4 the number of people each day that Covid is (Covid ~400 on 7-day average, cars ~110).  Yet, I would expect most people to find it unacceptable to only half-wear a seat-belt, even if they feel inconvenient.  Reasonable precautions despite the relatively lower danger.
 
2022-04-23 12:34:52 PM  

whidbey: kyleaugustus: [Fark user image 850x477]

If you still care about wearing a properly fitting mask during this pandemic, your choice of facial hair is still paramount.

Cool that Zappa gets his own category.


Frank was his own category in pretty much everything
 
2022-04-23 12:56:53 PM  

kyleaugustus: chawco: I guess that's fair, but the reduction is risk is incredibly small between a decent mask.and fully fit N95, excepting certain extreme risk situations.

My nursey girlfriend doesn't need to N95 unless she enters a covid unit. Surgical.masks are good enough for the hospitals because they work very well.

I'm not arguing against your preferred level of protection, but I'm also no fan of being told I don't care because my face has hair on it.

I don't want to make this a kind of personal attack.  I don't know you.  You're hardly the only person with a beard for aesthetic reasons.  I'm not here to hurt feelings or be a jerk to people.  But, we're two years into this and have pretty clear information on what works better and works worse.  If we're taking the Swiss cheese approach of layered protection, having good masking practices is important, too.  Wearing substantial facial hair and having the goal of good preventative effort don't go together.  Hair around the edges of your mask is creating a new path of least resistance for your breath out and your breath in.  Like having a loosely fitted pipe, it leaks.

I'll point to another area of risk where we take reasonably doable precautions to prevent injury and death: driving.  At present, cars are killing ~1/4 the number of people each day that Covid is (Covid ~400 on 7-day average, cars ~110).  Yet, I would expect most people to find it unacceptable to only half-wear a seat-belt, even if they feel inconvenient.  Reasonable precautions despite the relatively lower danger.


I'm going to explain why this passes people off, and why I think attitudes like this are counter productive.
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Masks work. We never mandated of expected full seal n95s on everyone because, while it may be better, the incremental gain is minimal in most situations. And there is ways I crimental gain. If you leave your house and go where people are you are always increasing risk. Of course there is levels of acceptability, e.g. going to the grocery store vs a concert. But you can always make the risk smaller until you live in a bubble.

I work at a hospital. My girlfriend works at a hospital. Neither of us is required to wear tight fit n95 masks at work (not in cobid areas obviously). The level of protection provided by a surgical mask is more than hood enough for the hospital environment.

And here you are saying people are bad for having a beard because it makes an imperfect fit, when that level of masking is generally not even recommended in non covid hospital areas (I don't see patients I do research). So yes a tight n95 provides better protection, but it's it's difference between 99.2% and 99.5% in otherwise reasonable not extreme risk situations.

And this puritan crap of "if you don't do x at this point you don't care" is not helpful  manynog is follow and go beyond current health requirements. You can take your purity tests of perfect requirements according to the standards that happen to be easy if you and that judgemental bullshiat and make a diorama to show your mom so she can be proud.

Because I am.and have always been careful and safe and I am not destroying my face yet satisfy some checklist for you.
 
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