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2022-04-15 11:12:01 AM  
/shrug
 
2022-04-15 11:14:15 AM  
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2022-04-15 11:16:17 AM  
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Finally, been waiting twenty years for this
 
2022-04-15 11:17:04 AM  
Thank god. Reaching for the buttons on the toolbar is such a chore.
 
2022-04-15 11:48:02 AM  
Earthquake porn is my fetish
 
2022-04-15 12:15:58 PM  
The keyboard and a G502 is all you need.
 
2022-04-15 12:26:56 PM  
I'll be sure to install Vivaldi web browser right away.
 
2022-04-15 12:43:48 PM  
I guess it's kind of a neat feature but there's not enough time or the will to undo all the muscle memory going on.
 
2022-04-15 12:53:56 PM  
Opera's mouse gestures are good, I have genuinely found them useful and pretty intuitive every time I've had occasion to use that browser.

That said "useful alternative to clicking browser buttons with your cursor" is not the selling point TFA seems to think it is, since gestures themselves are massively slower and less efficient than, y'know, just having a mouse with 5-7 buttons on it, many of which have default functions in every browser.  Basically every adult with an actual full-on PC at home already has a 7-button mouse, and even the shiattiest office computer is almost always going to have a 5-input mouse (left, right, thumb or middle, wheel up, and wheel down).  If you're waaaaaay too into "gamer" as an identity you probably have something on the order of a 15-input mouse that glows in rotating RGB or some stupid bullshiat.

The utility of mouse gestures is that they're (at least theoretically) easy to match to touch-screen gestures so you have to memorize less shiat to use your phone and PC browser in the same way, they're not actually the best/fastest if you already have a mouse.

Even if you're just on your phone and ignoring the "similar phone and PC controls" factor, the drag menus at the top and bottom of Brave or whatever are going to be faster and more precise than a gesture most of the time.  So the use case where gestures are more than just kind of an amusing toy is... kinda niche, basically.  Like I said, not hating on them, they're good, but they're not "go out of their way to access them" good.
 
2022-04-15 12:58:53 PM  
So the utility of this is?  If you take the time to learn the gesture for "refresh page" you already know that you can just push F5.  If you don't know that there is a button you can push to refresh the page instead of clicking the button, you wouldn't even think to use a gesture.

Is this an ad?
 
2022-04-15 1:16:52 PM  
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2022-04-15 1:21:06 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Opera's mouse gestures are good, I have genuinely found them useful and pretty intuitive every time I've had occasion to use that browser.

That said "useful alternative to clicking browser buttons with your cursor" is not the selling point TFA seems to think it is, since gestures themselves are massively slower and less efficient than, y'know, just having a mouse with 5-7 buttons on it, many of which have default functions in every browser.  Basically every adult with an actual full-on PC at home already has a 7-button mouse, and even the shiattiest office computer is almost always going to have a 5-input mouse (left, right, thumb or middle, wheel up, and wheel down).  If you're waaaaaay too into "gamer" as an identity you probably have something on the order of a 15-input mouse that glows in rotating RGB or some stupid bullshiat.

The utility of mouse gestures is that they're (at least theoretically) easy to match to touch-screen gestures so you have to memorize less shiat to use your phone and PC browser in the same way, they're not actually the best/fastest if you already have a mouse.

Even if you're just on your phone and ignoring the "similar phone and PC controls" factor, the drag menus at the top and bottom of Brave or whatever are going to be faster and more precise than a gesture most of the time.  So the use case where gestures are more than just kind of an amusing toy is... kinda niche, basically.  Like I said, not hating on them, they're good, but they're not "go out of their way to access them" good.


Yep.  Gestures are reasonably useful on a system that has limited point and poink functionality, but trying to pack them into systems that do have that capability is just adding a less efficient way in most cases.  There are exceptions, and I'm fine if gestures are there as options, but let's stop this "We'll take the controls for everything and make them the same as devices with comparatively limited input capability" please.  You're just sludging function up by trying to force it
 
2022-04-15 1:24:29 PM  

BeesNuts: So the utility of this is?  If you take the time to learn the gesture for "refresh page" you already know that you can just push F5.  If you don't know that there is a button you can push to refresh the page instead of clicking the button, you wouldn't even think to use a gesture.

Is this an ad?


Only about 10% of my students learn the keyboard shortcuts and those are the students who I always know will succeed.

When they take the next step and learn to attach a script to a key and realize later you can just tell it to kick off for any reason you want with a little work and some sensors and you have a lifelong learner in IT who knows how to churn dollar bills, y'all!
 
2022-04-15 2:00:11 PM  
Original Mouse Moves
Soupy Sales - "The Mouse" on Hullabaloo 1965
Youtube SfO2J6Tun5I
 
2022-04-15 2:04:01 PM  
I see the Browser Wars have made it to the Fandom tab.
 
2022-04-15 2:43:14 PM  

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Finally, been waiting twenty years for this


Go watch that scene again, while Tom Cruise is conducting the freaking New York Philharmonic, the guy behind him is using the computer with one pinky.

I'll take the pinky UI.
 
2022-04-15 3:31:05 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: kryptoknightmare: [Fark user image 425x194] [View Full Size image _x_]
Finally, been waiting twenty years for this

Go watch that scene again, while Tom Cruise is conducting the freaking New York Philharmonic, the guy behind him is using the computer with one pinky.

I'll take the pinky UI.


You will do interpretive dance to complete mundane tasks and LIKE IT!!!
 
2022-04-15 3:35:38 PM  
Mouse gestures have been around for ages... where've you been, subby?

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I used to use them all the time, but nowadays my mouse has a gesture button so I just use that. For the touchpad, I've got a Mac app called BetterTouchTool that lets you add your own gestures, and it's awesome.
</csb>
 
2022-04-15 4:03:22 PM  
How else are you supposed to teach the Cow how to make rain?
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/I'm old
 
2022-04-15 4:19:15 PM  

Colour_out_of_Space: How else are you supposed to teach the Cow how to make rain? [Fark user image image 585x365]


/I'm old


That's the second B&W reference I've seen on Fark this week.
 
2022-04-15 4:38:31 PM  
I've been using most gestures on my home system for, like, 15 years now. Whenever I was an Opera user. Opera always had some killer features (really good caching was another feature I loved). Firefox still has a few did extensions for gestures, and remains my browser of choice.

Once you get used to then, it's a great shortcut system.  I always miss then when they're not there.
 
2022-04-15 5:40:48 PM  
I already twitch and move fast as hell all over my system. Half the time i'm waiting for shiat to load. I implement something like this and it's gunna get weird real quick.
 
2022-04-15 9:20:17 PM  
My ability to process what I'm looking at is the bottleneck. Not the controls.
 
2022-04-15 11:16:44 PM  
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