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2022-04-14 8:54:29 AM  
Use words like forthwith and heretofore repeatedly, and always refer to yourself as "My client", and start every sentence with "I HEREBY DECLARE".

Judges love that.
 
2022-04-14 8:58:17 AM  
Bring your own gavel, hit the table with it and shout "Order in the court! The monkey wants to talk!" whenever someone tries speaking. Judges love that too
 
2022-04-14 9:00:08 AM  
If the flag in the courtroom has a gold fringe, that means it's really a maritime court and, by the laws of the sea, you are allowed to fire one (1) harpoon at an opposing witness at any point you choose.
 
2022-04-14 9:06:52 AM  

Shostie: If the flag in the courtroom has a gold fringe, that means it's really a maritime court and, by the laws of the sea, you are allowed to fire one (1) harpoon at an opposing witness at any point you choose.


Maritime law: Not even once.
 
2022-04-14 9:10:41 AM  
When you show up to court, poop on the table in front of your opposition to establish dominance. Maintain eye contact as you do it for the best effect.
 
2022-04-14 9:14:35 AM  
Bring receipts.
Buy an expensive brief case to put them in.
 
2022-04-14 9:17:00 AM  
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2022-04-14 9:17:04 AM  

grokca: Bring receipts.
Buy an expensive brief case to put them in.


Also fill briefcase with crackers, in case you get a little peckish during the proceedings. Bring enough to share with the courtroom
 
2022-04-14 9:20:49 AM  
Winning is one thing, collecting is another.
 
2022-04-14 9:24:10 AM  

EatHam: Winning is one thing, collecting is another.


That's why you keep a razor-sharp paring knife in your umbrella handle.  Makes carving off that pound of flesh much easier.
 
2022-04-14 9:39:43 AM  
Not an attorney but I work in a law library, my general advice to literally everyone is to get an attorney. Don't represent yourself. I get that sometimes for small claims, an attorney isn't it worth the cost. In those cases see if there is a free legal aid service in your area or at the very least talk to an attorney that does a free consult. The person who brings an attorney is far more likely to win than the person who doesn't.
 
2022-04-14 9:41:00 AM  
Recite the Mercy Speech from The Merchant of Venice.
 
2022-04-14 9:49:33 AM  
know your facts.
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I also suggest a cursory review of bird law.
 
2022-04-14 10:00:09 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Not an attorney but I work in a law library, my general advice to literally everyone is to get an attorney. Don't represent yourself. I get that sometimes for small claims, an attorney isn't it worth the cost. In those cases see if there is a free legal aid service in your area or at the very least talk to an attorney that does a free consult. The person who brings an attorney is far more likely to win than the person who doesn't.


Attorneys are not allowed in small claims court. You can get legal advice before hand. In my case, there was also a mediation session before it went to the judge. (it went nowhere.)
I got sued for damage to a BWM headlight. I countersued for damage to my bike and stitches to my knee.

/Judge threw it all out.
//YOU GET NOTHING! GOOD DAY SIR!
 
2022-04-14 10:01:00 AM  
Subby here.  So I had a root canal done.  They originally quoted me a price for an uninsured person because when I made the appointment I was uninsured.   I got dental insurance in the week between the appointment and the procedure.  So they check but I haven't had the dental insurance coverage long enough to cover the root canal.  I suppose this is set up to prevent people from signing up for insurance for a month, having work done and dropping the insurance coverage.  But then they turn around and charge me the price they would normally bill the insurance company which is a couple hundred dollars higher than they originally quoted me for the root canal even though the insurance doesn't come into play.  At
first they said that it was the law and they had to charge me the amount they would charge the insurance company.  When I asked them what law they switched to because they are contracted with the insurance company they have to charge that rate. Even though for all intents and purposes, due to the insurance not kicking in yet, I was essentially uninsured at the time of the root canal and had to pay the entire bill out of pocket.  I could see it going either way.  A judge might uphold contract law and say the dental office is bound by whatever they are signed up for or the judge might decide wtf is this bullshiat and make them refund me the difference between what I was quoted and what I had to pay. A little over $200. I've already talked to the dental office manager and they are holding firm.  Gotta run but I'll check back in a few hours and see what the Fark IANAL brigade had to say.  Thanks for any advise you can throw my way.
 
2022-04-14 10:01:04 AM  

EatHam: Winning is one thing, collecting is another.


Basically this. I got a decent amount of experience with small claims from suing customers for nonpayment back in the day.

My takeaway on the good, the bad, and the ugly of it:

1) Show up. 80% of the time, this is literally all it takes for the judgment to come down in your favor.

2) On the off-chance that the other party actually shows up, make sure you have the necessary paperwork with you. Usually a contract of some sort. Be 100% sure going into this that there is a valid legal argument that supports your claim. If your argument essentially boils down to "I feel cheated" or "they're being shiatheads", then DON'T file in small claims.

3) If you've never actually been before, get there an hour early, quietly sit in the back, and enjoy the show. You're gonna see some really, really stupid shiat go down. Also, this will clue you in on what type of judge you'll be talking to.

4) Dress appropriately. You don't need a suit, but slacks and a nice shirt will go a long way.

5) Finally, if winning your claim involves collecting money from another party, I wouldn't bother with any of it. Even if you win, the judgment plus about $250 will be needed to bring you back up to break-even after the filing fee and still have enough left over for a cup of coffee...
 
2022-04-14 10:07:00 AM  
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2022-04-14 10:08:41 AM  
Best advice I can give is to not ask Fark for legal advice.
 
2022-04-14 10:13:33 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Subby here.  So I had a root canal done.  They originally quoted me a price for an uninsured person because when I made the appointment I was uninsured.   I got dental insurance in the week between the appointment and the procedure.  So they check but I haven't had the dental insurance coverage long enough to cover the root canal.  I suppose this is set up to prevent people from signing up for insurance for a month, having work done and dropping the insurance coverage.  But then they turn around and charge me the price they would normally bill the insurance company which is a couple hundred dollars higher than they originally quoted me for the root canal even though the insurance doesn't come into play.  At
first they said that it was the law and they had to charge me the amount they would charge the insurance company.  When I asked them what law they switched to because they are contracted with the insurance company they have to charge that rate. Even though for all intents and purposes, due to the insurance not kicking in yet, I was essentially uninsured at the time of the root canal and had to pay the entire bill out of pocket.  I could see it going either way.  A judge might uphold contract law and say the dental office is bound by whatever they are signed up for or the judge might decide wtf is this bullshiat and make them refund me the difference between what I was quoted and what I had to pay. A little over $200. I've already talked to the dental office manager and they are holding firm.  Gotta run but I'll check back in a few hours and see what the Fark IANAL brigade had to say.  Thanks for any advise you can throw my way.


If you're white, just show up with half the difference and a golf club and make that your final offer. If you're not white, you're pretty much farked.
 
2022-04-14 10:15:35 AM  
No Farkers in Small Claims, but you find a lot of expertise in these parts on Claiming To Be Larger Than They Actually Are Court.

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2022-04-14 10:21:44 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Not an attorney but I work in a law library, my general advice to literally everyone is to get an attorney. Don't represent yourself. I get that sometimes for small claims, an attorney isn't it worth the cost. In those cases see if there is a free legal aid service in your area or at the very least talk to an attorney that does a free consult. The person who brings an attorney is far more likely to win than the person who doesn't.


Am an attorney.  I never represent myself.

I'm jealous of your job.  I want to work in a library.
 
2022-04-14 10:28:19 AM  
I've been to small claims twice and won twice.
Never was able to collect a dime. I tried to garnish the paycheck from one guy and his boss laughed and said, "He owes you $600? He owes me $3000."
 
2022-04-14 10:28:32 AM  

MissFeasance: ModernPrimitive01: Not an attorney but I work in a law library, my general advice to literally everyone is to get an attorney. Don't represent yourself. I get that sometimes for small claims, an attorney isn't it worth the cost. In those cases see if there is a free legal aid service in your area or at the very least talk to an attorney that does a free consult. The person who brings an attorney is far more likely to win than the person who doesn't.

Am an attorney.  I never represent myself.

I'm jealous of your job.  I want to work in a library.



Don't be. Imagine doing all the legwork of your job for none of the pay.
 
2022-04-14 10:30:04 AM  
Been several times as the representative of a very large big-box retailer. All I can say is big corporations usually lose, but you have to show up. One example was a claim of injury from a defective product. The manufacturer flew a mucky-muck in from their plant in California. Judgment for the plaintiff was about 1/4 the amount the representative spent on his trip, but he bought lunch afterwards and we did our best to make it 1/5th.

Another time, plaintiff didn't even show up, and judge was about to dismiss without prejudice. Asked him if that meant if the party could just re-file after forcing all of us to be here for nothing. Judge not only agreed, but went off on a tirade about abusing the right to your day in court, etc. Dismissed with prejudice.

In your specific case, did you get the initial quote in writing? If you have that, you'll probably win. For their part, the dental office is contractually obligated to charge you the insurance price if you have insurance, whether it applies or not. But having the cash price quoted implies a good faith estimate of what you expected to pay. It's already cost them more than the $200 just to get ready and defend, and obviously they wouldn't bother with it if they didn't have to. Often the judge will give the parties a chance to step out in the hall and settle before proceeding - if they don't make you a deal, it's because their hands are tied.
 
2022-04-14 10:35:44 AM  

EatHam: Winning is one thing, collecting is another.


Yeah, it's a slow process to collect if you win a judgement. Best case is they don't show up, and if you have enough documented proof supporting your claim you win a judgement right there. But then you have to file for additional steps to find out what their income and assets are, and if they keep not showing up you finally can file for a bench warrant. It's amazing how fast your money appears when there's a bench warrant out for their arrest. I had to do that twice.

My favorite time in small claims court was when I sued a lawyer for non-payment. The money appeared almost immediately because he didn't want the public to know he was being sued.
 
2022-04-14 10:35:47 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Subby here.  So I had a root canal done.  They originally quoted me a price for an uninsured person because when I made the appointment I was uninsured.   I got dental insurance in the week between the appointment and the procedure.  So they check but I haven't had the dental insurance coverage long enough to cover the root canal.  I suppose this is set up to prevent people from signing up for insurance for a month, having work done and dropping the insurance coverage.  But then they turn around and charge me the price they would normally bill the insurance company which is a couple hundred dollars higher than they originally quoted me for the root canal even though the insurance doesn't come into play.  At
first they said that it was the law and they had to charge me the amount they would charge the insurance company.  When I asked them what law they switched to because they are contracted with the insurance company they have to charge that rate. Even though for all intents and purposes, due to the insurance not kicking in yet, I was essentially uninsured at the time of the root canal and had to pay the entire bill out of pocket.  I could see it going either way.  A judge might uphold contract law and say the dental office is bound by whatever they are signed up for or the judge might decide wtf is this bullshiat and make them refund me the difference between what I was quoted and what I had to pay. A little over $200. I've already talked to the dental office manager and they are holding firm.  Gotta run but I'll check back in a few hours and see what the Fark IANAL brigade had to say.  Thanks for any advise you can throw my way.


So, to clarify, you've already paid them the higher amount, and now taking them to small claims court for the difference, correct?  If you win, you then have to actually collect on it.

How much is it to file there, all fees included?

If you win and they don't pay willing, what will be the cost of actually collecting?

And will it financially make sense, or will the cost of filing and collecting be more than the amount lost?

Do you have any documentation of their earlier quote?
 
2022-04-14 10:44:07 AM  
My sister and her husband had a lawn care/snow removal business.  One of their neighbors (Who lived across the street from them, two doors down) didn't pay for a whole summer worth of lawn care.  My sister took her to small claims court and the judge got on her case about handling it like a neighbor and going down and talking to the woman.  My sister told the judge she had been there and the woman never answered her calls or came to the door.  The judge said that it should be able to be settled in a kind, neighborly way.  That they should go talk it over and come to a resolution.

So basically my sister never got paid.  The neighbor got a whole summer of free lawn care.
 
2022-04-14 10:47:32 AM  

Fursecution: ModernPrimitive01: Not an attorney but I work in a law library, my general advice to literally everyone is to get an attorney. Don't represent yourself. I get that sometimes for small claims, an attorney isn't it worth the cost. In those cases see if there is a free legal aid service in your area or at the very least talk to an attorney that does a free consult. The person who brings an attorney is far more likely to win than the person who doesn't.

Attorneys are not allowed in small claims court. You can get legal advice before hand. In my case, there was also a mediation session before it went to the judge. (it went nowhere.)
I got sued for damage to a BWM headlight. I countersued for damage to my bike and stitches to my knee.

/Judge threw it all out.
//YOU GET NOTHING! GOOD DAY SIR!


Go back and key his car. Asshole BMW driver...but I repeat myself.
 
2022-04-14 10:50:17 AM  
I have two words for you. Judy. Justice.
 
2022-04-14 10:52:43 AM  

relaxitsjustme: y. When I asked them what law they switched to because they are contracted with the insurance company they have to charge that rate. Even though for all intents and purposes,


You should win just for using that phrase correctly.

If they quoted you a price, then failed to honor the quote, seems like you should win if you have documentation.

Write them a crap review on Yelp.
 
2022-04-14 10:55:00 AM  
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2022-04-14 11:01:42 AM  
NEVER GO TO COURT  (shudder, weeze, hyperventiliate)  Just eat it, eat it good.

/sorry, can't help you
//They still can't make them pay, even if you win
 
2022-04-14 11:19:30 AM  
As a Brit Farker who gets cheap dentistry on the NHS, my sympathy is very limited.  Try moving to a country with an intelligent healthcare system.
 
2022-04-14 11:28:14 AM  
Document everything clearly - receipts, contracts, whatever the other party did or failed to do, have pictures printed that clearly show this. Do not disrespect the judge (they are insecure narcissists with fragile egos). Be on time. Court always starts 90 minutes late, but the one time you're 5 minutes late they will inexplicably start on time. As others have said, getting a judgement is easy, collecting on it is hard. Had one guy admit, "I didn't pay because I don't have any money." Never waste time suing someone who can't pay anyway.

Follow this guide from Bloom County on who to sue:
https://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1986/06/22
 
2022-04-14 11:54:33 AM  
1) Show up on time. Make sure you leave enough time for traffic, parking, getting through security, finding your courtroom, a trip to the bathroom. Dress nicely.

2) Have all documentation and have it neatly organized. Put it in a binder or a file folder. Paper clips are your friend. Sticky notes or headers for each section. If you have receipts or estimates those are golden. If not, any communication IN WRITING between you and the defendant that helps prove your case is good. Phone calls and conversations aren't great unless they are well documented and you can get the other party to agree in court to the substance of the conversation.

3) Clearly show the timeline of initial dental visit -> insurance purchase -> procedure -> billing. Get info in writing from the insurance company about why they won't pay for the procedure. Get info in writing from the dentist about why they billed insurance. Be thorough but as concise as you can.

4) Don't get rattled. You have your stuff together, you know your arguments, you have your case. Let the dentist defend themselves, don't worry about what they say except to pay attention and answer questions or refute actual FACTS. You're not there to impugn character or be mean. Save that for outside court.

5) If the judge offers to let you step outside and settle the matter, do not immediately knock out one of the dentist's teeth to even the score. Get permission first. Preferably in writing.
 
2022-04-14 11:54:46 AM  
if you can afford to just let it go, do exactly that and then run down the vendor to everyone you meet.  you won't get paid but you'll cost them more and it take none of your time or effort.
 
2022-04-14 11:55:08 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Subby here.  So I had a root canal done.  They originally quoted me a price for an uninsured person because when I made the appointment I was uninsured.   I got dental insurance in the week between the appointment and the procedure.  So they check but I haven't had the dental insurance coverage long enough to cover the root canal.  I suppose this is set up to prevent people from signing up for insurance for a month, having work done and dropping the insurance coverage.  But then they turn around and charge me the price they would normally bill the insurance company which is a couple hundred dollars higher than they originally quoted me for the root canal even though the insurance doesn't come into play.  At
first they said that it was the law and they had to charge me the amount they would charge the insurance company.  When I asked them what law they switched to because they are contracted with the insurance company they have to charge that rate. Even though for all intents and purposes, due to the insurance not kicking in yet, I was essentially uninsured at the time of the root canal and had to pay the entire bill out of pocket.  I could see it going either way.  A judge might uphold contract law and say the dental office is bound by whatever they are signed up for or the judge might decide wtf is this bullshiat and make them refund me the difference between what I was quoted and what I had to pay. A little over $200. I've already talked to the dental office manager and they are holding firm.  Gotta run but I'll check back in a few hours and see what the Fark IANAL brigade had to say.  Thanks for any advise you can throw my way.

The filing fee in my area is $85 I believe. Then you have to sit in court all day until your case is called. It's just not worth it for $200.

 
2022-04-14 11:59:48 AM  
I'm about to start using a bunch of real este agents in the SeaTac area for do it call violations.  so any advice there is also helpful.
 
2022-04-14 1:59:28 PM  
Is it a good dentist? Will you be going back? You might not want to sue them if they're going to be knocking you out some time in the future to work on your teeth. You might just wake up in an alley with only gums left. Sure, you can sue them for that too, but you still won't have any teeth.
 
2022-04-14 2:44:58 PM  
Got sued by an landlord about 30 years ago.  My boss hooked me up with a high-powered criminal defense attorney he had for - uh - reasons.  We won.  His reason for taking the case?  "You're young, married and might need a divorce someday.  This is advertising".
 
2022-04-14 5:02:49 PM  

olrasputin: EatHam: Winning is one thing, collecting is another.

Basically this. I got a decent amount of experience with small claims from suing customers for nonpayment back in the day.

My takeaway on the good, the bad, and the ugly of it:

1) Show up. 80% of the time, this is literally all it takes for the judgment to come down in your favor.

2) On the off-chance that the other party actually shows up, make sure you have the necessary paperwork with you. Usually a contract of some sort. Be 100% sure going into this that there is a valid legal argument that supports your claim. If your argument essentially boils down to "I feel cheated" or "they're being shiatheads", then DON'T file in small claims.

3) If you've never actually been before, get there an hour early, quietly sit in the back, and enjoy the show. You're gonna see some really, really stupid shiat go down. Also, this will clue you in on what type of judge you'll be talking to.

4) Dress appropriately. You don't need a suit, but slacks and a nice shirt will go a long way.

5) Finally, if winning your claim involves collecting money from another party, I wouldn't bother with any of it. Even if you win, the judgment plus about $250 will be needed to bring you back up to break-even after the filing fee and still have enough left over for a cup of coffee...


I cannot emphasize this enough. When my employer disputed my Unemployment, I went to court. I showed up, they did not. I won several thousand dollars of back payments and it didn't cost me a thing.
 
2022-04-14 5:16:45 PM  

tom baker's scarf: if you can afford to just let it go, do exactly that and then run down the vendor to everyone you meet.  you won't get paid but you'll cost them more and it take none of your time or effort.


This could be a good way to get a deal instead of going to small claims. Let them know you will be telling everyone that "Dr. Fang" is a bloody skin-flint who doesn't honor his word. Print copies of the document with original quote and bill you paid side by side to make your case in public. Advise that you will send the local paper, social media etc. this documentation. Knowing this will happen and that alternatively 200 bucks makes it go away will probably convince "Dr. Tightbritches" to settle.
 
2022-04-14 5:53:50 PM  

Sub Human: tom baker's scarf: if you can afford to just let it go, do exactly that and then run down the vendor to everyone you meet.  you won't get paid but you'll cost them more and it take none of your time or effort.

This could be a good way to get a deal instead of going to small claims. Let them know you will be telling everyone that "Dr. Fang" is a bloody skin-flint who doesn't honor his word. Print copies of the document with original quote and bill you paid side by side to make your case in public. Advise that you will send the local paper, social media etc. this documentation. Knowing this will happen and that alternatively 200 bucks makes it go away will probably convince "Dr. Tightbritches" to settle.


You might want to look up your state's definition of "criminal extortion" before you follow that advice.
 
2022-04-14 5:57:54 PM  

Sub Human: tom baker's scarf: if you can afford to just let it go, do exactly that and then run down the vendor to everyone you meet.  you won't get paid but you'll cost them more and it take none of your time or effort.

This could be a good way to get a deal instead of going to small claims. Let them know you will be telling everyone that "Dr. Fang" is a bloody skin-flint who doesn't honor his word. Print copies of the document with original quote and bill you paid side by side to make your case in public. Advise that you will send the local paper, social media etc. this documentation. Knowing this will happen and that alternatively 200 bucks makes it go away will probably convince "Dr. Tightbritches" to settle.


I'm definitely not a lawyer, nor a legal scholar, but it seems to me you should be entering these waters, lest you be accused of extorsion.  "Pay me off, or I'll say bad things about you."

At least be careful with your wording.
 
2022-04-14 6:46:27 PM  
I had a tire shop crush my exhaust system when they put jacks on my car instead of putting it on a lift. They had more customers and techs than bays so they half assed it in the parking lot.

I drove home and thought my car smelled weird, but it was 7pm on December 23rd and I just wanted to be home. Next morning I could see my car interior fill up with exhaust. I took it to a mechanic, who fixed it and showed me what happened and why.

I sent the bill to the tire place. They refused to pay on grounds that they didn't get an opportunity to fix it themselves. I took it to small claims.

Judge denied my claim with a "yeah, they messed up, but they should've gotten to see it before you had it fixed because that's how the law is written in Indiana, so they owe you nothing."

I still have a seething hate for everyone involved.
 
2022-04-14 8:00:06 PM  

ReverendLoki: Sub Human: tom baker's scarf: if you can afford to just let it go, do exactly that and then run down the vendor to everyone you meet.  you won't get paid but you'll cost them more and it take none of your time or effort.

This could be a good way to get a deal instead of going to small claims. Let them know you will be telling everyone that "Dr. Fang" is a bloody skin-flint who doesn't honor his word. Print copies of the document with original quote and bill you paid side by side to make your case in public. Advise that you will send the local paper, social media etc. this documentation. Knowing this will happen and that alternatively 200 bucks makes it go away will probably convince "Dr. Tightbritches" to settle.

I'm definitely not a lawyer, nor a legal scholar, but it seems to me you should be entering these waters, lest you be accused of extorsion.  "Pay me off, or I'll say bad things about you."

At least be careful with your wording.


Extortion, such a harsh word. I'm merely suggesting we come to an agreement. I am within my rights to publish facts. But you can make them contra-factual by settling up fairly.
 
2022-04-14 10:15:24 PM  
Blow the judge

away with your documentation and respectful demeanor
 
2022-04-14 10:43:23 PM  

MissFeasance: ModernPrimitive01: Not an attorney but I work in a law library, my general advice to literally everyone is to get an attorney. Don't represent yourself. I get that sometimes for small claims, an attorney isn't it worth the cost. In those cases see if there is a free legal aid service in your area or at the very least talk to an attorney that does a free consult. The person who brings an attorney is far more likely to win than the person who doesn't.

Am an attorney.  I never represent myself.

I'm jealous of your job.  I want to work in a library.


No you don't.  A librarian has a masters.  And librarians dont retire.  Source, i have a a masters of library science.

Should have bought more scotch
 
2022-04-15 1:50:06 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Subby here.  So I had a root canal done.  They originally quoted me a price for an uninsured person because when I made the appointment I was uninsured.   I got dental insurance in the week between the appointment and the procedure.  So they check but I haven't had the dental insurance coverage long enough to cover the root canal.  I suppose this is set up to prevent people from signing up for insurance for a month, having work done and dropping the insurance coverage.  But then they turn around and charge me the price they would normally bill the insurance company which is a couple hundred dollars higher than they originally quoted me for the root canal even though the insurance doesn't come into play.  At
first they said that it was the law and they had to charge me the amount they would charge the insurance company.  When I asked them what law they switched to because they are contracted with the insurance company they have to charge that rate. Even though for all intents and purposes, due to the insurance not kicking in yet, I was essentially uninsured at the time of the root canal and had to pay the entire bill out of pocket.  I could see it going either way.  A judge might uphold contract law and say the dental office is bound by whatever they are signed up for or the judge might decide wtf is this bullshiat and make them refund me the difference between what I was quoted and what I had to pay. A little over $200. I've already talked to the dental office manager and they are holding firm.  Gotta run but I'll check back in a few hours and see what the Fark IANAL brigade had to say.  Thanks for any advise you can throw my way.


- A couple hundred bucks is never enough to go to court for, unless you just find it fun

- If you haven't paid yet, it's likely that insurance will pay it in a month or so after your probationary period (or whatever) expires.  You just need to get them to delay collecting and re-bill the insurance in a month.
 
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