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2022-04-11 8:50:24 AM  
The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"
 
2022-04-11 9:14:28 AM  
 
2022-04-11 9:36:24 AM  
Now I want Shanghai noodles.
 
2022-04-11 9:51:15 AM  
what to those people call it when someone disappears?
 
2022-04-11 10:18:11 AM  
At least I don't live there.
 
2022-04-11 10:24:28 AM  

vudukungfu: what to those people call it when someone disappears?


Tuesday.
 
2022-04-11 10:30:35 AM  

Walker: The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"


"Control your soul's desire of freedom" is the official slogan of the CCP isn't it?
 
2022-04-11 10:31:10 AM  

kdawg7736: At least I don't live there.


Covid deaths per day is 4th highest week the entire pandeimic, as of last week. Giving up means freedom.
 
2022-04-11 10:37:43 AM  

Walker: The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"


Speaking of Black Mirror...

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2022-04-11 10:40:11 AM  
This sounds like a job for Canadian Truckers to handle
They hate silly Covid Retrictions every bit as much as their Shanghai brethren
 
2022-04-11 10:41:49 AM  

vudukungfu: what to those people call it when someone disappears?


Compliance.
 
2022-04-11 10:43:57 AM  
Don't they have Sinovac and Sinopharm inactivated virus COVID vaccines?  Weren't they working on their own mRNA vaccine?

It's rather odd that they have to resort to such extreme measures. I'm probably overlooking something.

Not criticizing, mind you. The USA hasn't exactly been a shining example of how to optimally manage COVID, but for different reasons (FREEDUMB!)
 
2022-04-11 10:44:35 AM  
So they plan on doing this forever?
 
2022-04-11 10:48:44 AM  
All i hear from the right wing idiots is:
1) Lamestream media won't even cover this! (Despite if you type "China" into google, it's all over the news)
2) They're doing that to us! or they're about to!

This is from one of my former training partners and his buddy over this. Apparently this is China "defunding the police" somehow....

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2022-04-11 10:49:16 AM  

vudukungfu: what to those people call it when someone disappears?


A usual occurence?
 
2022-04-11 10:49:43 AM  

Walker: The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"


I really hope somebody's writing a musical about this. It'll be like a really grim version of Footloose.
 
2022-04-11 10:50:17 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Don't they have Sinovac and Sinopharm inactivated virus COVID vaccines?  Weren't they working on their own mRNA vaccine?

It's rather odd that they have to resort to such extreme measures. I'm probably overlooking something.

Not criticizing, mind you. The USA hasn't exactly been a shining example of how to optimally manage COVID, but for different reasons (FREEDUMB!)


I would assume their vaccine isn't stopping mild illness any better than Moderna and Pfizer, plus they don't have nearly as many people who have already been infected.
 
2022-04-11 10:56:28 AM  
A missed opportunity if they don't create a reality show called "Fighting for Vegetables".
 
2022-04-11 10:57:17 AM  
If you look at guaranteed ways to cause an uprising historically, lack of food is the big one that will always get people out into the streets. China knows this, so you wonder what's going on. For a first tier city with their best and brightest, it seems odd they would get treated like this.
 
2022-04-11 10:58:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: So they plan on doing this forever?


yep.
 
2022-04-11 10:59:20 AM  
This is what the democrats want for America.
 
2022-04-11 11:00:07 AM  

Lighting: Some more context: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1512734595485106179.html

/scary


Yep, that's what separates East and West.  West is built on the idea that people have freedom to do stuff.  East is built on the idea that people have freedom to avoid suffering.  So we have medical bankruptcy and mass homelessness and people literally dying in gutters, but people can protest whenever they want.  And China has steady paychecks and well-fed citizens, but people keep their opinions to themselves and conform in thought and deed.  The Soviet Union tried to do the same thing, but their economy was too farked from trying to compete with the USA's defense spending.

It seems odd though that their response to decades of hunger is takeout for almost all meals.  The Mormons went through hunger and persecution in Missouri and Illinois, and they still hoard food to this day.  Takeout must be really cheap over there.
 
2022-04-11 11:00:42 AM  

Trocadero: Walker: The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"

I really hope somebody's writing a musical about this. It'll be like a really grim version of Footloose.


They just dont want anymore of those cringe celebrity lockdown singing videos.
 
2022-04-11 11:01:11 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Walker: The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"

Speaking of Black Mirror...

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Time to reroute some of those weapons shipments from Ukraine to China?

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2022-04-11 11:08:09 AM  
Hungry people will not quietly starve. China needs to either ship them food or lift the lockdown. Otherwise, this will only get MUCH worse.
 
2022-04-11 11:13:14 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Walker: The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"

Speaking of Black Mirror...

[Fark user image 425x675]


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2022-04-11 11:16:18 AM  

Private_Citizen: Hungry people will not quietly starve. China needs to either ship them food or lift the lockdown. Otherwise, this will only get MUCH worse.


They do in China. They are right now. Fresh food is a big deal in China. They criticize the western diet of processed, canned and frozen foods as unhealthy. Quite rightly so I suppose but it certainly comes in handy when the government locks you down in a city of 26 million people and there aren't enough food delivery services to handle the work load. As educated as they're supposed to be you'd think planning ahead during a pandemic while living under the CCP would be an important survival skill they'd have developed over the last two years. But you'd be wrong.
 
2022-04-11 11:19:21 AM  

farkitallletitend: Private_Citizen: Hungry people will not quietly starve. China needs to either ship them food or lift the lockdown. Otherwise, this will only get MUCH worse.

They do in China. They are right now. Fresh food is a big deal in China. They criticize the western diet of processed, canned and frozen foods as unhealthy. Quite rightly so I suppose but it certainly comes in handy when the government locks you down in a city of 26 million people and there aren't enough food delivery services to handle the work load. As educated as they're supposed to be you'd think planning ahead during a pandemic while living under the CCP would be an important survival skill they'd have developed over the last two years. But you'd be wrong.


I have co-workers in China. When this started they sent me pictures from the grocery store. It was empty shelves and full carts headed for checkout. Classic panic buying. I think the people are doing their best, but at this point supplies are low. Either deliver food to those in lockdown or lift the lockdown.
 
2022-04-11 11:21:06 AM  
There's been some suggestion that people's historical memory of what happened last time is a big factor. Which relates to trust in government,

I'm British, and for me the obvious reference point is WWII food rationing, which kind of went ok, though to this day you'ld have difficulty selling a Brit a tin of snoek. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyrsites and see the last bit on WWII rationing. My grandmother told me the snoek was not well received).

On the other hand, the Chinese comparison point in the famine of 1959-1961, so the expectation may be that the last time the government was so incompetent that people really did end up eating each other for food, so that's probably what's going to happen this time, too.
 
2022-04-11 11:22:32 AM  
 
2022-04-11 11:24:52 AM  

Trocadero: I really hope somebody's writing a musical about this. It'll be like a really grim version of Footloose.


They can call it "Footless".

"Gosh, Mr. Ling, you mean nobody in the whole town dances?"
"No, we don't."
"Why not?"
"We don't have any feet. We had to resort to chopping off each other's feet and eating 'em back in the Great Pandemic of 2022."
 
2022-04-11 11:27:59 AM  

NM Volunteer: Yep, that's what separates East and West.  West is built on the idea that people have freedom to do stuff.  East is built on the idea that people have freedom to avoid suffering.  So we have medical bankruptcy and mass homelessness and people literally dying in gutters, but people can protest whenever they want.  And China has steady paychecks and well-fed citizens, but people keep their opinions to themselves and conform in thought and deed.


JFC, I hate nonsense like this.  Please, just stop with the truthyness.

I get it.  People want to bash the US because they don't like Republicans or whatever.  But the sheer amount of stupid crap that gets made up in threads like is really striking.

China isn't well fed.  China is bad about malnutrition.  Modern China is better than during The Great Famine or whatever, but China still has something like 10% of its population actively malnourished. The US is around 1% and generally ranks at the top of the world (either #1 or very near) in terms of food availability and affordability.

Similarly, the Chinese health care system sucks.  Yes, its nominally socialized.  But its so messed up that its pretty normal to have to pay your doctor large cash bribes to get access to things like life saving surgery.  The US health care system, for all its flaws, is vastly superior to the Chinese system.

And while China does kind of have steady paychecks, its small paychecks for looonng hours of backbreaking work.  Hell, China has almost 300 million Mingong workers, who are migrant workers that have to roam around the country doing manual labor.  Nobody wants to do that - China just gets the privilege of forcing people to do it to survive.  Skilled labor is fleeing China for a reason, and its not because of lack of freedom.  It's because working in China generally sucks compared to the West.

I get it - its cool to dump on the US online.  But trying to pretend that China is doing all this stuff better than the US is just delusional.
 
2022-04-11 11:31:24 AM  

Krazikarl: But its so messed up that its pretty normal to have to pay your doctor large cash bribes to get access to things like life saving surgery.


Is that like a deductible?
 
2022-04-11 11:35:32 AM  

Lighting: Some more context: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1512734595485106179.html

/scary


COVID keeps on giving an international seminar on the pitfalls of rigidity in every aspect of civic and business life. Americans had to initially contend with a supply chain that was so optimized that it lacked the kind of elasticity to handle the disruptions that came with the pandemic. A combination of overabundance and, as the Twitter thread mentioned, long shelf-life of American consumables gave us sufficient time to adapt to prevent the same kind of acute food shortages that Shanghai is experiencing right now.

Following the Wuhan outbreak, China had a pretty effective answer to COVID with heavy-handed testing and quarantine procedures. In the darkest days of the pandemic here I looked on enviously at an acquaintance who does hospitality for a large hotel chain in China still putting on gatherings, events, and weddings. But, given their current circumstances, the virus has adapted beyond that answer yet they are still pretending that even more of the same is still appropriate. The sinovaccine not keeping up with containing the recent prevailing iterations of the virus also significantly plays into this.
 
2022-04-11 11:35:39 AM  

Krazikarl: NM Volunteer: Yep, that's what separates East and West.  West is built on the idea that people have freedom to do stuff.  East is built on the idea that people have freedom to avoid suffering.  So we have medical bankruptcy and mass homelessness and people literally dying in gutters, but people can protest whenever they want.  And China has steady paychecks and well-fed citizens, but people keep their opinions to themselves and conform in thought and deed.

JFC, I hate nonsense like this.  Please, just stop with the truthyness.

I get it.  People want to bash the US because they don't like Republicans or whatever.  But the sheer amount of stupid crap that gets made up in threads like is really striking.

China isn't well fed.  China is bad about malnutrition.  Modern China is better than during The Great Famine or whatever, but China still has something like 10% of its population actively malnourished. The US is around 1% and generally ranks at the top of the world (either #1 or very near) in terms of food availability and affordability.

Similarly, the Chinese health care system sucks.  Yes, its nominally socialized.  But its so messed up that its pretty normal to have to pay your doctor large cash bribes to get access to things like life saving surgery.  The US health care system, for all its flaws, is vastly superior to the Chinese system.

And while China does kind of have steady paychecks, its small paychecks for looonng hours of backbreaking work.  Hell, China has almost 300 million Mingong workers, who are migrant workers that have to roam around the country doing manual labor.  Nobody wants to do that - China just gets the privilege of forcing people to do it to survive.  Skilled labor is fleeing China for a reason, and its not because of lack of freedom.  It's because working in China generally sucks compared to the West.

I get it - its cool to dump on the US online.  But trying to pretend that China is doing all this stuff better than the US is just delusional.


1% of the USA is malnourished?  LOL that's bullshiat.  12% of households nationwide experience food insecurity, and my Kiwanis club distributes food weekly to dozens of families that literally cannot afford enough food to feed their families.  The USA is not a shining example of keeping people alive and healthy.  That would be Europe.
 
2022-04-11 11:36:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Krazikarl: But its so messed up that its pretty normal to have to pay your doctor large cash bribes to get access to things like life saving surgery.

Is that like a deductible?


Sure sounds like the American system.  Copays, deductibles, massive checks written each month to the CPAP provider.
 
2022-04-11 11:41:37 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Krazikarl: But its so messed up that its pretty normal to have to pay your doctor large cash bribes to get access to things like life saving surgery.

Is that like a deductible?


Not particularly.  Deductibles are flat expenses that you know about ahead of time.  The bribes are basically bidding wars for a doctor's service.  If you need your surgery at a bad time, the price of getting adequate prioritization in the system is very high - we're talking about many thousands of dollars in a country with lower income than the US.

Also, despite being supposedly socialized, the official out of pocket expense for a lot of medical stuff is quite high in China - often times higher than in the US relative to a median income.

The Chinese medical system is TERRIBLE.  They don't pay their doctors or invest much in the system as a whole.  The rich and powerful get access to special systems, while the common person gets very little.  Anybody who thinks its better for the average person than the US is either trolling or completely ignorant.
 
2022-04-11 11:50:45 AM  

NM Volunteer: 1% of the USA is malnourished?  LOL that's bullshiat.  12% of households nationwide experience food insecurity, and my Kiwanis club distributes food weekly to dozens of families that literally cannot afford enough food to feed their families.  The USA is not a shining example of keeping people alive and healthy.  That would be Europe.


"Food insecurity" is not malnourishment.  It's quite different.

If we went by food insecurity, China would be waaaaaaay higher.

Basically, food security deals with fears about getting food and how resilient food availability is to disruption.  By a food security standard, Shanghai is nearly 100% food insecure right now.

So sure, if you want to compare 12% in the US to ~100% in Shanghai, I guess we can do that.  Not sure what your point is though.

Also, the US's food security is generally pretty good compared to Europe as a whole, although there are some European countries that are better than the US.  But the US is known for having very affordable food which is well supplied regardless of potential disruption, which is a big component.
 
2022-04-11 12:19:55 PM  

SurelyShirley: Mad_Radhu: Walker: The captions of one of the videos:

A drone appears: "Please comply with covid restrictions. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing."

/on today's episode of "Black Mirror"

Speaking of Black Mirror...

[Fark user image 425x675]

Time to reroute some of those weapons shipments from Ukraine to China?

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China has plenty of weapons. Have they asked for any?
 
2022-04-11 12:44:51 PM  

Lighting: Some more context: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1512734595485106179.html

/scary


Well, there's your problem... over-reliance on fresh, perishable vegetables.

If they ate more Swanson TV dinners they'd have been fine.
 
2022-04-11 12:49:05 PM  

Krazikarl: NM Volunteer: 1% of the USA is malnourished?  LOL that's bullshiat.  12% of households nationwide experience food insecurity, and my Kiwanis club distributes food weekly to dozens of families that literally cannot afford enough food to feed their families.  The USA is not a shining example of keeping people alive and healthy.  That would be Europe.

"Food insecurity" is not malnourishment.  It's quite different.

If we went by food insecurity, China would be waaaaaaay higher.

Basically, food security deals with fears about getting food and how resilient food availability is to disruption.  By a food security standard, Shanghai is nearly 100% food insecure right now.

So sure, if you want to compare 12% in the US to ~100% in Shanghai, I guess we can do that.  Not sure what your point is though.

Also, the US's food security is generally pretty good compared to Europe as a whole, although there are some European countries that are better than the US.  But the US is known for having very affordable food which is well supplied regardless of potential disruption, which is a big component.


What?  Food insecurity is the inability to get food.  It is very real.  Food stamps aren't enough, the qualifications are ridiculous, and we literally step in and give food to people because they literally skip meals because they literally cannot afford three meals a day.  Many families got food handouts from the schools because they could not afford to feed their kids at home during the pandemic remote learning.
 
2022-04-11 1:13:41 PM  

NM Volunteer: Krazikarl: NM Volunteer: 1% of the USA is malnourished?  LOL that's bullshiat.  12% of households nationwide experience food insecurity, and my Kiwanis club distributes food weekly to dozens of families that literally cannot afford enough food to feed their families.  The USA is not a shining example of keeping people alive and healthy.  That would be Europe.

"Food insecurity" is not malnourishment.  It's quite different.

If we went by food insecurity, China would be waaaaaaay higher.

Basically, food security deals with fears about getting food and how resilient food availability is to disruption.  By a food security standard, Shanghai is nearly 100% food insecure right now.

So sure, if you want to compare 12% in the US to ~100% in Shanghai, I guess we can do that.  Not sure what your point is though.

Also, the US's food security is generally pretty good compared to Europe as a whole, although there are some European countries that are better than the US.  But the US is known for having very affordable food which is well supplied regardless of potential disruption, which is a big component.

What?  Food insecurity is the inability to get food.  It is very real.  Food stamps aren't enough, the qualifications are ridiculous, and we literally step in and give food to people because they literally skip meals because they literally cannot afford three meals a day.  Many families got food handouts from the schools because they could not afford to feed their kids at home during the pandemic remote learning.



NO.. Food insecurity and malnurishment are not even close to the same thing.
 
2022-04-11 1:15:09 PM  
The argument that US families are living off of government food services is a really odd complaint to bring up given that the subject is how well the US provides for its citizens.  People getting food from government programs like schools is a point in the US's favor, especially compared to China where people just end up malnourished because they don't get food at all due to Chinese government failures.

Your own example works against the central point.

But let's move on from that.


NM Volunteer: What?  Food insecurity is the inability to get food


No.  It's not.  Please have some idea of what you are talking about if you're going to use these terms.

Food insecurity includes things like even worry about food (even if you get it) or having to compromise on the quality and variety of food that you'd prefer, even if your nutritional needs are fulfilled.

Yes, food insecurity can include the outright inability to get food, but it includes a lot more than that.  And in the US, inability to get food is a much rarer form of food insecurity - most food security deals with variety and worry, not outright lack of food.

That's why comparing a big malnutrition number to a food security number is silliness - they're very often different things.

For example, see this figure from a research paper on the topic:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Food-insecurity-experience-scale-Ballard-et-al-2013_fig1_284716394
 
2022-04-11 1:34:28 PM  

Krazikarl: The argument that US families are living off of government food services is a really odd complaint to bring up given that the subject is how well the US provides for its citizens.  People getting food from government programs like schools is a point in the US's favor, especially compared to China where people just end up malnourished because they don't get food at all due to Chinese government failures.

Your own example works against the central point.

But let's move on from that.


NM Volunteer: What?  Food insecurity is the inability to get food

No.  It's not.  Please have some idea of what you are talking about if you're going to use these terms.

Food insecurity includes things like even worry about food (even if you get it) or having to compromise on the quality and variety of food that you'd prefer, even if your nutritional needs are fulfilled.

Yes, food insecurity can include the outright inability to get food, but it includes a lot more than that.  And in the US, inability to get food is a much rarer form of food insecurity - most food security deals with variety and worry, not outright lack of food.

That's why comparing a big malnutrition number to a food security number is silliness - they're very often different things.

For example, see this figure from a research paper on the topic:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Food-insecurity-experience-scale-Ballard-et-al-2013_fig1_284716394


Except that food insecurity is lack of food, at least with the families I work with.  They go without meals, and would be without food if we (a non-profit, not the government) didn't provide it.  It isn't rare in New Mexico, it isn't rare out west, it isn't rare on the reservations.  America isn't all suburbs and middle class, and American poverty isn't any different from other third world country poverty.
 
2022-04-11 2:03:05 PM  

NM Volunteer: Except that food insecurity is lack of food, at least with the families I work with.


For the purposes of comparing statistics, nobody cares about your personal definition of food insecurity.

What matters is how its defined by the people publishing the statistics.

And by every statistic we have available, the US is vastly superior in feeding its citizens to China.  As in, its not even close.  "I know some poor people in New Mexico" doesn't undo that.

American poverty isn't any different from other third world country poverty.

That's not really true.  As discussed earlier, outright malnourishment is much, much rarer amongst poor people in the US compared to even China (not a 3rd World Country btw).  While living in poverty in America is not something I want to minimize, I think its quite different than living in poverty in say, Zimbabwe.
 
2022-04-11 2:03:05 PM  
Locking barn door after Covid escaped.
 
2022-04-11 2:08:31 PM  

Krazikarl: NM Volunteer: Except that food insecurity is lack of food, at least with the families I work with.

For the purposes of comparing statistics, nobody cares about your personal definition of food insecurity.

What matters is how its defined by the people publishing the statistics.

And by every statistic we have available, the US is vastly superior in feeding its citizens to China.  As in, its not even close.  "I know some poor people in New Mexico" doesn't undo that.

American poverty isn't any different from other third world country poverty.

That's not really true.  As discussed earlier, outright malnourishment is much, much rarer amongst poor people in the US compared to even China (not a 3rd World Country btw).  While living in poverty in America is not something I want to minimize, I think its quite different than living in poverty in say, Zimbabwe.


What matters is getting food to people who literally don't have food.  That's food insecurity.  Not worrying about whether or not they have food.  It's them literally being without food, skipping meals, having insufficient calories and nutrients.  Try leaving the suburbs.
 
2022-04-11 2:19:21 PM  

NM Volunteer: That's food insecurity.  Not worrying about whether or not they have food.  It's them literally being without food, skipping meals, having insufficient calories and nutrients.  Try leaving the suburbs.


I'm sure that the research scientists at places like Johns Hopkins are really interested in your newsletter where you tell them how they're all wrong.  You should email them!
 
2022-04-11 2:29:28 PM  

NM Volunteer: Krazikarl: NM Volunteer: Except that food insecurity is lack of food, at least with the families I work with.

For the purposes of comparing statistics, nobody cares about your personal definition of food insecurity.

What matters is how its defined by the people publishing the statistics.

And by every statistic we have available, the US is vastly superior in feeding its citizens to China.  As in, its not even close.  "I know some poor people in New Mexico" doesn't undo that.

American poverty isn't any different from other third world country poverty.

That's not really true.  As discussed earlier, outright malnourishment is much, much rarer amongst poor people in the US compared to even China (not a 3rd World Country btw).  While living in poverty in America is not something I want to minimize, I think its quite different than living in poverty in say, Zimbabwe.

What matters is getting food to people who literally don't have food.  That's food insecurity.  Not worrying about whether or not they have food.  It's them literally being without food, skipping meals, having insufficient calories and nutrients.  Try leaving the suburbs.


Anecdotes are not data. Compared to the rest of the world the US has it easy. I am glad you are helping people, it sucks that they have to rely on handouts, but they aren't making mud pies to fill their empty bellies like the folks in Haiti.
 
2022-04-11 3:58:07 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Don't they have Sinovac and Sinopharm inactivated virus COVID vaccines?  Weren't they working on their own mRNA vaccine?

It's rather odd that they have to resort to such extreme measures. I'm probably overlooking something.

Not criticizing, mind you. The USA hasn't exactly been a shining example of how to optimally manage COVID, but for different reasons (FREEDUMB!)


Historically, pestilence precedes a dynastic change in China.  It's seen as a sign of Mandate of Heaven falling - so there's a lot more symbolism and significance to this than in other countries.
 
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