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2022-03-30 10:02:42 AM  
Do they even care about FPS anymore. Most of these things go to some currency miners
 
2022-03-30 10:30:16 AM  
That thing consumes up to 850 Watts of power. Do you really want to spend that much on a space heater?
 
2022-03-30 10:50:21 AM  
But can it play Minesweeper?
 
2022-03-30 10:52:45 AM  
I had to look for 5 months to find a 3080ti. It's absurd.
 
2022-03-30 11:04:09 AM  
Most of the high end stuff is intended for commercial use.
 
2022-03-30 11:07:27 AM  
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2022-03-30 11:10:50 AM  
If I get one and an 8K TV, will I finally be able to win at Pong?
 
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2022-03-30 11:18:23 AM  
they really gotta work on their supply shiat.
 
2022-03-30 11:20:55 AM  

Merltech: Do they even care about FPS anymore. Most of these things go to some currency miners


There are other reasons to look at a GPU. High single precision FP32 benchmarks can be a big deal for a lot of content creator tools. I can't afford a $4500 RTX A6000 but a $2000 3090 Ti gives me performance in the same ballpark, unless I actually need all 48GB RAM on an A6000.
 
2022-03-30 11:21:00 AM  

fragMasterFlash: That thing consumes up to 850 Watts of power. Do you really want to spend that much on a space heater?


"Serious" question: At this rate, are US gamers going to need to install 240V outlets for their PCs? NEC says that loads under a constant use have to downrate from the short-term circuit maximum, so you don't get 1850W out of a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet, you can only draw 1530W - and when over half of that is going to just the video card...

I mean, I suppose you could run a 20A circuit for just your computer, but that gets you "only" 2040W constant.

\ This is why pretty much all space heaters in the US draw 1500W.
\\ Yes, almost all US houses have 240V power available.
 
2022-03-30 11:21:35 AM  

FarkingChas: If I get one and an 8K TV, will I finally be able to win at Pong?


No, git gud n00b.
 
2022-03-30 11:22:06 AM  
Considering that the 4000 series will likely launch this year, I'm not sure why anyone other than a professional would bother with the card.
 
2022-03-30 11:23:40 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: fragMasterFlash: That thing consumes up to 850 Watts of power. Do you really want to spend that much on a space heater?

"Serious" question: At this rate, are US gamers going to need to install 240V outlets for their PCs? NEC says that loads under a constant use have to downrate from the short-term circuit maximum, so you don't get 1850W out of a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet, you can only draw 1530W - and when over half of that is going to just the video card...

I mean, I suppose you could run a 20A circuit for just your computer, but that gets you "only" 2040W constant.

\ This is why pretty much all space heaters in the US draw 1500W.
\\ Yes, almost all US houses have 240V power available.


Just put a penny under the fuse. Problem solved.
:)
 
2022-03-30 11:24:35 AM  
I'm more interested in this one.  But then, I'm into scientific computing more than games.

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Eh ... really, I'm interested in this one:

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The price tag is ... uh ... a little more than the RTX 3090, though.
 
2022-03-30 11:24:57 AM  
LTT noted in their video review that it doesn't game at 8K for some games

Nvidia missed the memo
Youtube DDcA0c-Ahq0
 
2022-03-30 11:29:33 AM  

Pedal Pedal: I had to look for 5 months to find a 3080ti. It's absurd.


About 6 months for my 3070, using restocker alert apps. Things run mighty sweet now, though.
 
2022-03-30 11:33:47 AM  

Pedal Pedal: I had to look for 5 months to find a 3080ti. It's absurd.


I spent $1500 on a 3080 back in October.  I saw a few reviews that didn't give great marks to the 3080ti, so I just went with the base version.  Not sure if the slight improvement is really worth the dough.
 
2022-03-30 11:36:45 AM  

fragMasterFlash: That thing consumes up to 850 Watts of power. Do you really want to spend that much on a space heater?


It uses 450W, it requires an 850W power supply to ensure the rest of the system has sufficient power and to allow for transient spike power draws from the card (a problem they saw with the RTX3080 and 3090 early on as well), where when initializing the card to do some heavy lifting, the card will ramp up very quickly and sometimes overshoot the power targets.  So, it's a 450W card with the occasional spike above 450W when firing a workload at it.  Still absurd, but not "Wire for 240V in your office" crazy just yet.
 
db2
2022-03-30 11:36:45 AM  
Whatever, the 9600 GT in my Pentium D machine is fine.
 
2022-03-30 11:39:59 AM  

readymix: fragMasterFlash: That thing consumes up to 850 Watts of power. Do you really want to spend that much on a space heater?

It uses 450W, it requires an 850W power supply to ensure the rest of the system has sufficient power and to allow for transient spike power draws from the card (a problem they saw with the RTX3080 and 3090 early on as well), where when initializing the card to do some heavy lifting, the card will ramp up very quickly and sometimes overshoot the power targets.  So, it's a 450W card with the occasional spike above 450W when firing a workload at it.  Still absurd, but not "Wire for 240V in your office" crazy just yet.


Oh really? How about aftermarket 3090 ti boards that draw 1200 Watts?

/that 450 Watt number does not seem accurate
//you might hit that if you undervolt and underclock the GPU + VRAM
 
2022-03-30 11:48:39 AM  
Do we need anymore K's?  My 4K TV doesn't look really any better than my 1080p TV did (no matter what device is streaming to it).  Reminds me of the old video game days when great games had 256 colors, then it jumped to millions of colors, and then they stopped counting.  Maybe they K's should stop being counted.
 
2022-03-30 11:58:45 AM  
Still rocking 2 1080ti here aww yeah
 
2022-03-30 12:00:18 PM  
So as someone who hasn't built a rig in over a decade (do they still call them 'rigs'?), what should I look for in an older card that can do 1080? (who needs 8, or even 4k? My crappy eyes can't tell the difference)
 
2022-03-30 12:07:49 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: Considering that the 4000 series will likely launch this year, I'm not sure why anyone other than a professional would bother with the card.


This, I'm currently planning an upgrade to my main PC but I'm not doing anything until the 4000 series is out. At that point I'm either going for one of those, or snatching up a 3000 series on the resale market at a more reasonable price point... jury is still out on which direction I'm going.
 
2022-03-30 12:21:02 PM  
Ask yourself - do you really need to be able to see every follicle on that cam-girl's ass?
 
2022-03-30 12:21:37 PM  

PirateKing: So as someone who hasn't built a rig in over a decade (do they still call them 'rigs'?), what should I look for in an older card that can do 1080? (who needs 8, or even 4k? My crappy eyes can't tell the difference)


Honestly, given your position that your eyes can't tell the difference, I'd struggle to find a gaming card that wouldn't push 1080 in a comfortable manner for any game since you obviously aren't obsessing over small details/quality improvements. Just look for a cheap card from one of the last generation of cards and you should be set. Pushing 1080 is really nothing these days. I have a single 1080 Ti pushing 2 ultra wide monitors (21:9) at 1440 and 120 fps quite comfortably. Can't think of a game I had to reduce settings on more than a minimal tweak.
 
2022-03-30 12:25:13 PM  

fragMasterFlash: readymix: fragMasterFlash: That thing consumes up to 850 Watts of power. Do you really want to spend that much on a space heater?

It uses 450W, it requires an 850W power supply to ensure the rest of the system has sufficient power and to allow for transient spike power draws from the card (a problem they saw with the RTX3080 and 3090 early on as well), where when initializing the card to do some heavy lifting, the card will ramp up very quickly and sometimes overshoot the power targets.  So, it's a 450W card with the occasional spike above 450W when firing a workload at it.  Still absurd, but not "Wire for 240V in your office" crazy just yet.

Oh really? How about aftermarket 3090 ti boards that draw 1200 Watts?

/that 450 Watt number does not seem accurate
//you might hit that if you undervolt and underclock the GPU + VRAM


Nothing in your link says there's a 3090Ti that actually pulls 1.2kw.  The cards it names draw less than half that.
 
2022-03-30 12:27:07 PM  

wage0048: Ask yourself - do you really need to be able to see every follicle on that cam-girl's ass?


Uh....yeah.
 
2022-03-30 12:28:03 PM  

wage0048: Ask yourself - do you really need to be able to see every follicle on that cam-girl's ass?


I have. The answer is yes. Yes I do. I NEED to be able to count the hairs.


On a serious note, getting the educational videos in hi-def has a downside. You can now see all the blemishes, pock marks, amount of makeup, etc. Blurry hides all that.
 
2022-03-30 12:31:23 PM  

PirateKing: So as someone who hasn't built a rig in over a decade (do they still call them 'rigs'?), what should I look for in an older card that can do 1080? (who needs 8, or even 4k? My crappy eyes can't tell the difference)


A 3060 or 2070 will see you through all the 1440p gaming you might care to do, if you can find one for a reasonable price.
 
2022-03-30 12:36:20 PM  

PirateKing: So as someone who hasn't built a rig in over a decade (do they still call them 'rigs'?), what should I look for in an older card that can do 1080? (who needs 8, or even 4k? My crappy eyes can't tell the difference)


RTX 3060 is the sweet spot for 1080p, RTX 3070 for 1440p
 
2022-03-30 12:37:01 PM  

FarkingChas: On a serious note, getting the educational videos in hi-def has a downside. You can now see all the blemishes, pock marks, amount of makeup, etc. Blurry hides all that.


I have a Canon R5 that can record in 8k, and for some content that I make, I will shoot in 8k so that I can downsample to 4k.

I'd just like to say there's nothing less sexy than editing somebody's onlyfans content and having to spend hours seeing every single flaw. I know where all my friends' scars, pimples, birth marks, stretch marks and bruises are on a week-to-week basis.
 
2022-03-30 12:45:14 PM  
keldaria:
likefunbutnot:
Misch:


Cheers, thanks for the tips!

Much appreciated.
 
2022-03-30 1:11:31 PM  
So I can finally run Crysis?
 
2022-03-30 1:12:42 PM  

Marcos P: Still rocking 2 1080ti here aww yeah


Same here, couple of Founders Edition cards. I'll be squatting on my old hardware until this insanity ends or I hit a windfall of cash.
 
2022-03-30 1:44:22 PM  

PirateKing: keldaria:
likefunbutnot:
Misch:

Cheers, thanks for the tips!

Much appreciated.


Note that if you don't care about ray tracing or any of NVIDIA's proprietary fun stuff, you can likely find the AMD equivalent for cheaper (at least currently). You'd be looking for a 6600XT. Or if you're feeling lucky, AMD has direct sales on their website on Thursday mornings, and you might be able to snag a 6700XT for way, way cheaper than anywhere else -- less than $500 dollars for one.
 
2022-03-30 1:53:52 PM  
Wow....
They are releasing a card that can outperform a FOUR YEAR OLD 2080ti by between 40-102% for more than 3x the money.
 
2022-03-30 2:02:30 PM  

madgonad: Wow....
They are releasing a card that can outperform a FOUR YEAR OLD 2080ti by between 40-102% for more than 3x the money.


If you've been sitting on your hands waiting to upgrade from an eight year old GTX 900-series, or you're spending company money rather than your personal cash, it's not unreasonable. A used 2080Ti is probably a $900 right now as it is.
 
2022-03-30 2:42:55 PM  
Most people will never have a screen big enough to make 8K gaming worthwhile, but this card will be very useful for VR.
 
2022-03-30 2:49:38 PM  

Malenfant: Most people will never have a screen big enough to make 8K gaming worthwhile, but this card will be very useful for VR.


The thought crossed my mind.

Pimax is supposed to be coming out with a 12k headset in Q4 this year. Of course it's likely 6K for each eye given their past naming but still you'd need a beast of a card to push it... I'm seriously considering grabbing a 4000 series card plus the 12k headset to see what Vr can really feel like... just gotta wait for them both to hit market and hope I can get my hands on them.
 
2022-03-30 3:03:07 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: At this rate, are US gamers going to need to install 240V outlets for their PCs? NEC says that loads under a constant use have to downrate from the short-term circuit maximum, so you don't get 1850W out of a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet, you can only draw 1530W - and when over half of that is going to just the video card...


Just some pros and cons for 240V15A versus 120V20A:
· 15A circuits generally use 14/2 NMI cable, 20A circuits generally use 12/2 NMI cable.  In 100 ft rolls, the former is about 80¢/ft, the latter is about $1/ft.
· For typical 240/120V breaker panels, 120V circuit breakers use one slot, 240V breakers require two slots
· single pole 20A standard breakers are about $5, double pole 15A standard breakers are about $12
· single pole 120V20A arc-fault protection (AFCI) breakers are about $45, double pole 240V15A ones are about $80
· cheapest 120V20A surge protector I could find was $65, cheapest 240V15A surge protector was $17
· most of the cheap 240V surge protectors I found used C14 (10A) sockets rather than NEMA 6-15 sockets
 
2022-03-30 3:10:33 PM  
Oh, and PC power supplies usually run 1 or 2% more efficient at 240V versus 120V.
 
2022-03-30 4:05:01 PM  

keldaria: Malenfant: Most people will never have a screen big enough to make 8K gaming worthwhile, but this card will be very useful for VR.

The thought crossed my mind.

Pimax is supposed to be coming out with a 12k headset in Q4 this year. Of course it's likely 6K for each eye given their past naming but still you'd need a beast of a card to push it... I'm seriously considering grabbing a 4000 series card plus the 12k headset to see what Vr can really feel like... just gotta wait for them both to hit market and hope I can get my hands on them.


I just built a gaming pc few months ago with a 3080ti and I'm interesting in playing with VR but not sure where to start.  Pimax a decent option? I'm not really interested in Oculus due to the facebook requirements.  Pimax artisan looks like it'd probably meet my needs or perhaps the next level up.
 
2022-03-30 4:07:31 PM  

likefunbutnot: madgonad: Wow....
They are releasing a card that can outperform a FOUR YEAR OLD 2080ti by between 40-102% for more than 3x the money.

If you've been sitting on your hands waiting to upgrade from an eight year old GTX 900-series, or you're spending company money rather than your personal cash, it's not unreasonable. A used 2080Ti is probably a $900 right now as it is.


I bought a 1080 when they first came out on sale for $450 in 'gift card credit' when buying an UHD TV from Dell. Talk about buying at the right time.
 
2022-03-30 4:12:26 PM  

Dinjiin: · 15A circuits generally use 14/2 NMI cable, 20A circuits generally use 12/2 NMI cable.  In 100 ft rolls, the former is about 80¢/ft, the latter is about $1/ft.


Yeah, pretty close. In 250' rolls it is $0.50 and $0.66/ft - so yeah, about a 30ish percent premium. It is a bit more of a PITA twisting, bending, and turning the 12ga stuff in boxes. I buy deeper boxes if I know I am running 12ga.
 
kab
2022-03-30 4:13:49 PM  
Humblebrag that I was one of the very lucky bastids who managed to get a 3090 when it was released for MSRP in October 2020 or so.  (upgrade from a gtx1080).   Make no mistake, it's been great, but it's also the last flagship card I'll spend on.

Trailing behind a generation is the move... a $2k MSRP is a hard pass.
 
kab
2022-03-30 4:16:53 PM  

wage0048: Ask yourself - do you really need to be able to see every follicle on that cam-girl's ass?


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2022-03-30 5:04:52 PM  

damndirtyape: keldaria: Malenfant: Most people will never have a screen big enough to make 8K gaming worthwhile, but this card will be very useful for VR.

The thought crossed my mind.

Pimax is supposed to be coming out with a 12k headset in Q4 this year. Of course it's likely 6K for each eye given their past naming but still you'd need a beast of a card to push it... I'm seriously considering grabbing a 4000 series card plus the 12k headset to see what Vr can really feel like... just gotta wait for them both to hit market and hope I can get my hands on them.

I just built a gaming pc few months ago with a 3080ti and I'm interesting in playing with VR but not sure where to start.  Pimax a decent option? I'm not really interested in Oculus due to the facebook requirements.  Pimax artisan looks like it'd probably meet my needs or perhaps the next level up.


Honestly not sure. Essentially I hear that for FOV pimax are amazing. However the index is frequently preferred by many because of its higher refresh making it more comfortable to wear and the index also seems to have less fiddling to make it compatible.

I've been trying to figure out where I will land myself but having made a choice and probably won't until I build a new PC
 
2022-03-30 5:50:05 PM  
I'm not seeing any games worth spending that kind of money on. Hell I'm having a hard time trying to convince myself to get a new desktop since this i7-7700k and gtx1080 are still rolling along just fine. With Windows 11 pushing even further to SaaS appliance status, no local accounts, and games either being a disaster, micro transaction hell, or worse it really puts a crimp on my upgrade bug. At least the prices are coming down which is nice but the burning of what happened with availability and scalpers really just has me shaking my head now.
 
2022-03-30 11:01:21 PM  
I feel like the obsession with hardware is approaching Monster cable levels of stupidity.  Your gaming experience is not going to be seriously diminished if you have to turn down scenery complexity down from ludicrious to insane.
 
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