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2022-03-24 10:51:01 PM  
The QBs aren't to blame except for demanding exorbitant salaries in a league with a salary cap.
 
2022-03-24 10:57:07 PM  

Summoner101: The QBs aren't to blame except for demanding exorbitant salaries in a league with a salary cap.


And the contracts aren't guaranteed, either.
 
2022-03-24 10:59:30 PM  
Here is a handy dandy link that show the AAV % of the cap for players.
 
2022-03-24 11:00:13 PM  

Trocadero: Summoner101: The QBs aren't to blame except for demanding exorbitant salaries in a league with a salary cap.

And the contracts aren't guaranteed, either.

 
2022-03-24 11:02:41 PM  

TDWCom29: Trocadero: Summoner101: The QBs aren't to blame except for demanding exorbitant salaries in a league with a salary cap.

And the contracts aren't guaranteed, either.


Unless you're a serial sex offender
 
2022-03-24 11:04:28 PM  
This is also part of why Russell Wilson was traded. The team was a year away from facing a negotiation with a 34-year-old who will surely demand to be the first $50 million player.
 
2022-03-24 11:19:33 PM  
If only those guys could win an off-season like Derek Carr and Tua Tagovailoa have this off-season!

I'm sure they'd trade all those millions of dollars and at least division titles for the chance to be divisional also-rans on teams that overpay receivers!
 
2022-03-24 11:36:17 PM  
When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.
 
2022-03-24 11:37:54 PM  

Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.


I'll say you may have a point with Dak, but the next Packers WR to be successful after leaving the Packers will be the first.

Same goes for Chiefs who played with Mahomes.
 
2022-03-25 12:14:06 AM  

Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.


Line, yes. Receivers, no. Pay, in order: QB, OT, DE, CB, ILB, OLB, FS/SS, DT, C, OG, TE, WR, RB. 

And that group between the linebackers and tight end has flexibility in the order. Pay your quarterback, anchor your lines, lock down a portion of the field. When's the last time the league's best wide receiver took a team to the Superb Owl without a Hall of Fame QB? The "skill positions" you can fill with undrafted free agents from SEC schools, because the difference between 3.8 YPC and 4.3 is much more about the line.
 
2022-03-25 12:26:17 AM  

Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.


What happens when you offer the hometown discount and your receivers still run for another team offering more money or other enticements?

The players would be fools not to get everything they can, and it's not Patrick Mahomes' fault or any of the other big name QBs that quarterbacks are valued that highly.

That said, I suspect that sooner or later the rest of the players will revolt against this salary inflation, especially the guys in the trenches that take weekly beatings for 5-10% of the money the guy they're protecting is making. Truthfully, I'm surprised the players didn't negotiate a max percentage into the CBA already, but it's coming if they can do it in the future.
 
2022-03-25 3:48:05 AM  

TDWCom29: TDWCom29: Trocadero: Summoner101: The QBs aren't to blame except for demanding exorbitant salaries in a league with a salary cap.

And the contracts aren't guaranteed, either.

Unless you're a serial sex offender


Browns fans have every reason to be pissed off.

/Damn glad Seattle didn't sign Watson.
//Also, the "Pederson" you see on this jersey is Doug Pederson....
///Former Philly HC and current Jags HC.
////Lulz.

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2022-03-25 7:59:11 AM  
Gonz: Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.

Line, yes. Receivers, no. Pay, in order: QB, OT, DE, CB, ILB, OLB, FS/SS, DT, C, OG, TE, WR, RB. 

And that group between the linebackers and tight end has flexibility in the order. Pay your quarterback, anchor your lines, lock down a portion of the field. When's the last time the league's best wide receiver took a team to the Superb Owl without a Hall of Fame QB? The "skill positions" you can fill with undrafted free agents from SEC schools, because the difference between 3.8 YPC and 4.3 is much more about the line.

Pretty much. I've always felt that there is almost no need to draft a WR early because there is always a bunch of disgruntled "if only they threw the ball to me" WRs available every year at free agency. You are much better off getting your linemen and then a QB in place before even considering spending money on a WR.
 
2022-03-25 8:02:29 AM  
Probably because their best receivers are now on the Dolphins, Raiders, and Browns, respectively?
 
2022-03-25 9:11:25 AM  
I won't speak for Adams, in part because I think GB is a fools abyss: win the division every year, lose easy playoff games with a choker QB every year.

Hill, however, ruined his future SB chances. I know he has a ring, but he isn't that old, and the Fins suck. When he took Miami's offer, he had to have thought "well here goes playing in any more playoff games". And I don't think this would in itself be an issue, because someone has to play for Miami and other shiat teams, but he left MFing Kansas City! Like, dude, are you just cashing in and calling it an retirement at 33ish in a few years? Because going from KC to Miami seems like a retirement decision.
 
2022-03-25 9:24:37 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: I won't speak for Adams, in part because I think GB is a fools abyss: win the division every year, lose easy playoff games with a choker QB every year.

Hill, however, ruined his future SB chances. I know he has a ring, but he isn't that old, and the Fins suck. When he took Miami's offer, he had to have thought "well here goes playing in any more playoff games". And I don't think this would in itself be an issue, because someone has to play for Miami and other shiat teams, but he left MFing Kansas City! Like, dude, are you just cashing in and calling it an retirement at 33ish in a few years? Because going from KC to Miami seems like a retirement decision.


$30m/year with $74m guaranteed and the chance to play where he lives in the off-season after getting his ring already are pretty strong reasons.

He was also notably absent from Patrick's wedding and bachelor party, so I think his "screw them, get mine" attitude set in a while ago
 
2022-03-25 10:48:46 AM  

Gonz: Pay, in order: QB, OT, DE, CB, ILB, OLB, FS/SS, DT, C, OG, TE, WR, RB.


I mostly agree with this, but WR isn't that low, and DT should also go higher.

I'd say this: QB, OT, CB, EDGE (incl. 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB), 3-tech DT, WR, 3-4 DE, C, OG, 4-3 OLB, ILB, 1-tech DT, FS/SS, TE, RB.

And there are outliers at every position. Derrick Henry should be paid a lot of money, for example.
 
2022-03-25 11:29:40 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.

What happens when you offer the hometown discount and your receivers still run for another team offering more money or other enticements?

The players would be fools not to get everything they can, and it's not Patrick Mahomes' fault or any of the other big name QBs that quarterbacks are valued that highly.

That said, I suspect that sooner or later the rest of the players will revolt against this salary inflation, especially the guys in the trenches that take weekly beatings for 5-10% of the money the guy they're protecting is making. Truthfully, I'm surprised the players didn't negotiate a max percentage into the CBA already, but it's coming if they can do it in the future.


Max contracts for QBs similar to the NBA?  I could see it happening.
 
2022-03-25 11:45:45 AM  

Trocadero: Summoner101: The QBs aren't to blame except for demanding exorbitant salaries in a league with a salary cap.

And the contracts aren't guaranteed, either.


QB contracts are guaranteed now
 
2022-03-25 12:42:32 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Bathtub Cynic: I won't speak for Adams, in part because I think GB is a fools abyss: win the division every year, lose easy playoff games with a choker QB every year.

Hill, however, ruined his future SB chances. I know he has a ring, but he isn't that old, and the Fins suck. When he took Miami's offer, he had to have thought "well here goes playing in any more playoff games". And I don't think this would in itself be an issue, because someone has to play for Miami and other shiat teams, but he left MFing Kansas City! Like, dude, are you just cashing in and calling it an retirement at 33ish in a few years? Because going from KC to Miami seems like a retirement decision.

$30m/year with $74m guaranteed and the chance to play where he lives in the off-season after getting his ring already are pretty strong reasons.

He was also notably absent from Patrick's wedding and bachelor party, so I think his "screw them, get mine" attitude set in a while ago


It just screams "I don't care about success". Which I've seen him in interviews and yes, total clown show.
 
2022-03-25 1:08:57 PM  
FTA: Aside from swapping out one defensive back (Charvarius Ward) for another (Justin Reid), the Chiefs have largely idled in free agency, thanks to a handful of contracts that have positioned the franchise looking for bargains rather than splash deals.

Um, the Chiefs signed JuJu and MVS plus have a ton of picks in the draft so, yea, they have been active. How is this guy reporting on the NFL?

Losing the Cheetah hurts. The Chiefs definitely need DB and Defensive line help, but we need to target a couple WR in the draft, and "experts" say there is a bumper crop in the draft this year. Cheetah won't be replaced but I'll take a couple good or one great WR under team control and rookie salary over 30 mil a year for Reek.

TBH, not thrilled with JuJu. TikTok heroes are not what we need in KC.
 
2022-03-25 1:23:18 PM  

snowshovel: Pretty much. I've always felt that there is almost no need to draft a WR early because there is always a bunch of disgruntled "if only they threw the ball to me" WRs available every year at free agency. You are much better off getting your linemen and then a QB in place before even considering spending money on a WR.


Ja'Marr Chase laughs in your general direction.

/exception to every rule
 
2022-03-25 3:17:10 PM  

Gonz: Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.

Line, yes. Receivers, no. Pay, in order: QB, OT, DE, CB, ILB, OLB, FS/SS, DT, C, OG, TE, WR, RB. 

And that group between the linebackers and tight end has flexibility in the order. Pay your quarterback, anchor your lines, lock down a portion of the field. When's the last time the league's best wide receiver took a team to the Superb Owl without a Hall of Fame QB? The "skill positions" you can fill with undrafted free agents from SEC schools, because the difference between 3.8 YPC and 4.3 is much more about the line.


All of this + excellent scouting.
 
2022-03-25 3:20:26 PM  

OhioUGrad: snowshovel: Pretty much. I've always felt that there is almost no need to draft a WR early because there is always a bunch of disgruntled "if only they threw the ball to me" WRs available every year at free agency. You are much better off getting your linemen and then a QB in place before even considering spending money on a WR.

Ja'Marr Chase laughs in your general direction.

/exception to every rule


Ja'Marr's on a rookie contract; now, when he wants the big boy contract is when things get interesting.
 
2022-03-25 4:20:32 PM  

Rwa2play: OhioUGrad: snowshovel: Pretty much. I've always felt that there is almost no need to draft a WR early because there is always a bunch of disgruntled "if only they threw the ball to me" WRs available every year at free agency. You are much better off getting your linemen and then a QB in place before even considering spending money on a WR.

Ja'Marr Chase laughs in your general direction.

/exception to every rule

Ja'Marr's on a rookie contract; now, when he wants the big boy contract is when things get interesting.


True, one year does not a career make, but if he continues his production you can guarantee he'll get a big boy contract to stay with Burrow.

/I do also see Burrow going the route of Brady and taking less $ down the road to keep/get better players around him and not trying to set records with guaranteed money
 
2022-03-25 5:15:53 PM  

IAmRight: Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.

I'll say you may have a point with Dak, but the next Packers WR to be successful after leaving the Packers will be the first.

Same goes for Chiefs who played with Mahomes.


Well yeh, that's why it's worth it to pay top 5 QBs market setting deals.  After that it gets dicey unless the QB has the clutch gene.  Does Watson have that?  Hard to tell.
 
2022-03-25 5:21:41 PM  

OhioUGrad: Rwa2play: OhioUGrad: snowshovel: Pretty much. I've always felt that there is almost no need to draft a WR early because there is always a bunch of disgruntled "if only they threw the ball to me" WRs available every year at free agency. You are much better off getting your linemen and then a QB in place before even considering spending money on a WR.

Ja'Marr Chase laughs in your general direction.

/exception to every rule

Ja'Marr's on a rookie contract; now, when he wants the big boy contract is when things get interesting.

True, one year does not a career make, but if he continues his production you can guarantee he'll get a big boy contract to stay with Burrow.

/I do also see Burrow going the route of Brady and taking less $ down the road to keep/get better players around him and not trying to set records with guaranteed money


I honestly don't understand why we aren't getting to that point now.  These top 10 QBs are looking at 500 million minimum lifestyle earnings.  Legit will be billionaires at some point with any half decent money manager.  How much farking money do you need?
 
2022-03-25 7:18:13 PM  

DaMannimal: IAmRight: Snapper Carr: When you suck up so much of the salary cap that the team can't afford to pay the receivers that make you look good and the line that keeps you on the field, you might have a problem eventually.

I'll say you may have a point with Dak, but the next Packers WR to be successful after leaving the Packers will be the first.

Same goes for Chiefs who played with Mahomes.

Well yeh, that's why it's worth it to pay top 5 QBs market setting deals.  After that it gets dicey unless the QB has the clutch gene.  Does Watson have that?  Hard to tell.


Watson isn't necessarily a Top 5 QB, though.

People keep saying it, but...

Mahomes
Allen
Jackson
Herbert
Wilson
Carr
(Maybe even Ryan)

And that's just the AFC guys you could easily say are better than Watson.
 
2022-03-25 7:18:39 PM  
Sh*t, forgot Burrow!

Who is also better than Watson.
 
2022-03-26 11:14:50 AM  
That's how it's supposed to work with a salary cap. The cap creates parity. Sure a train wreck organization like the lions or the browns or jags can fail over and over but they will win some games and they will have real talent on their rosters. The failing has more to do with bad management than not having enough money. The secret sauce is a good coach and coordinators, a good QB on a rookie contract, a game breaking WR, solid O and D lines, and a whole bunch of players outperforming rookie contracts or second chance vet minimums. That hardly ever happens though.
 
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