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2022-03-21 7:10:04 AM  
Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...
 
2022-03-21 7:34:51 AM  
As polar sea ice melts, particularly in the Arctic, it reveals dark sea that absorbs more heat than reflective ice, warming the planet further.

I think I have a cunning plan, but we're going to need a lot of white paint
 
2022-03-21 7:48:00 AM  

no1curr: As polar sea ice melts, particularly in the Arctic, it reveals dark sea that absorbs more heat than reflective ice, warming the planet further.

I think I have a cunning plan, but we're going to need a lot of white paint


You jest, but large-scale albedo modification is probably gonna have to be a tool in the kit.
 
2022-03-21 7:49:43 AM  

OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...


I've begun melting down my recycling in my coal furnace to help things along.
 
2022-03-21 7:50:51 AM  

no1curr: As polar sea ice melts, particularly in the Arctic, it reveals dark sea that absorbs more heat than reflective ice, warming the planet further.

I think I have a cunning plan, but we're going to need a lot of white paint


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2022-03-21 8:11:12 AM  
Anyone check Tina Majorino for back tattoos?
 
2022-03-21 8:31:00 AM  

OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...


And the response by corporate bootlickers is, "Well, too late to stop it now, might as well keep polluting, and don't hold companies accountable because it can't be fixed now." One step up from "Well, it might be too late, let's just continue as is, because it's too expensive to change how we do things."
 
2022-03-21 8:31:54 AM  
I'll be long dead so who the hell cares.

-Your Republican Senator
 
2022-03-21 8:33:33 AM  

no1curr: As polar sea ice melts, particularly in the Arctic, it reveals dark sea that absorbs more heat than reflective ice, warming the planet further.

I think I have a cunning plan, but we're going to need a lot of white paint


Probably a good idea, but people have an issue with keeping snow on the roof. I'm torn on the idea and have no idea what would happen if we dedicated a large scale effort to painting roofs across the northern latitudes.
 
2022-03-21 8:35:54 AM  
Somebody just needs to swim down to the hole in the bottom of the sea and pull out the plug. What's that Phelpsy guy doing these days?

/ probably smoking reefer
// lucky bastard
 
2022-03-21 8:38:19 AM  
Doesn't matter, humanity has decided that fossil fuel profits and their country's immediate needs are more important than saving the planet.
 
2022-03-21 8:39:33 AM  
Stop global whining.
 
2022-03-21 8:40:37 AM  
Yeah, don't just call me pessimist
Try and read between the lines
I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend
 
2022-03-21 8:40:45 AM  
Johnny Cash "How High is The Water Momma"
Youtube pyZD7eoHZT8
 
2022-03-21 8:41:48 AM  
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2022-03-21 8:42:00 AM  
renting a single room in most of America is a mortgage payment.
conservatives are rapidly attempting to make Gilead a real thing.
and, this climate crisis will simulate driving a prius in your knickers with a honey badger and a bobcat in the backseat.  24/7

/gee, why are young people so apathetic?
 
2022-03-21 8:43:39 AM  
The models were too conservative, the bad shiat's already here.
 
2022-03-21 8:43:56 AM  

OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...


We passed it a few years ago. The warming effects in the atmosphere are 20 years behind the actual GHG release.

https://earth.org/data_visualization/the-time-lag-of-climate-change/
 
2022-03-21 8:44:48 AM  
Forget learning to swim, learn to breathe water.
 
2022-03-21 8:44:51 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Doesn't matter, humanity has decided that fossil fuel profits and their country's immediate needs are more important than saving the planet.


Also don't forget the "right" to irresponsibility reproduce.  We're dealing with the beginnings of late-stage overpopulation.
 
2022-03-21 8:49:45 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...

And the response by corporate bootlickers is, "Well, too late to stop it now, might as well keep polluting, and don't hold companies accountable because it can't be fixed now." One step up from "Well, it might be too late, let's just continue as is, because it's too expensive to change how we do things."


"Why don't we hear more about the positive aspects of climate change"?
 
2022-03-21 8:50:11 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: no1curr: As polar sea ice melts, particularly in the Arctic, it reveals dark sea that absorbs more heat than reflective ice, warming the planet further.

I think I have a cunning plan, but we're going to need a lot of white paint

Probably a good idea, but people have an issue with keeping snow on the roof. I'm torn on the idea and have no idea what would happen if we dedicated a large scale effort to painting roofs across the northern latitudes.


It's been studied, and it's unbelievably effective.

You want snow on your roof anyway - it means your home is well enough insulated that it won't melt everything off.

Anyway, whitening office and  apartment building roofs is a fairly easy win, after that you just have to convince people to use lighter colored shingles on their homes.
 
2022-03-21 8:52:01 AM  

mistahtom: Tyrone Slothrop: Doesn't matter, humanity has decided that fossil fuel profits and their country's immediate needs are more important than saving the planet.

Also don't forget the "right" to irresponsibility reproduce.  We're dealing with the beginnings of late-stage overpopulation.


There is plenty of hypocrisy with that point. Now that western/developed nations have his what is essentially (even if not literally) post scarcity due to the exploitation of developing countries who make all of our trinkets, we have a flat or declining population growth. Now that all of "our" energy needs, and good needs met, we expect those developing nations to adhere to our standards of what should happen after enjoying the same buildup period over the course of 150 years, and slam them for not instantly adopting our sensibilities in a single generation, despite the fact that they STILL are used to make or harvest global goods.
 
2022-03-21 8:54:52 AM  
People were warned and didn't want to listen. To late now.
 
2022-03-21 8:54:56 AM  

hissatsu: DarkSoulNoHope: OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...

And the response by corporate bootlickers is, "Well, too late to stop it now, might as well keep polluting, and don't hold companies accountable because it can't be fixed now." One step up from "Well, it might be too late, let's just continue as is, because it's too expensive to change how we do things."

"Why don't we hear more about the positive aspects of climate change"?


I'm hearing that in Tucker Carlson's voice

"Why do Democrats hate that the world is warming up?  I personally don't like snow, so what's the big deal?"
 
2022-03-21 8:56:04 AM  

OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...


You're probably correct, and the coming global warming disaster will give the Russians a distinct advantage which is the main reason the US has provoked the recent war.

https://www.theb1m.com/video/russia-arctic-sea-route-megaport-rosneft
 
2022-03-21 9:02:04 AM  

Subtonic: I'll be long dead so who the hell cares.

-Your Republican Senator


The Doomsday Glacier is likely going to break free and then will melt in less than a year, immediately raising the oceans 3 feet.  Experts don't know when this event will happen, although it is starting to break apart already.
This will have dire consequences for anything within 10' of the current high tide mark.  It's actually going to destroy countries like Bangladesh and island nations in the Pacific.  In the US, many coastal areas will be washed away including Norfolk Virginia, Cape Cod, Cape Hatteras, the coast of Florida and much inland area, large portions of Louisiana and Texas, California, etc.
It's hard to conceive of the global damage from this one event.  The world will change almost overnight.  What will we do with the millions of climate refugees?  Will we bailout ordinary Americans, or only billionaires?  Will Lloyds of London go bankrupt?  It's terrifying.
 
2022-03-21 9:02:29 AM  
Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face
Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race,
On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place,
If the summer change to winter, yours is no disgrace

/but if winter change to summer...
 
2022-03-21 9:03:56 AM  

Unsung_Hero: AppleOptionEsc: no1curr: As polar sea ice melts, particularly in the Arctic, it reveals dark sea that absorbs more heat than reflective ice, warming the planet further.

I think I have a cunning plan, but we're going to need a lot of white paint

Probably a good idea, but people have an issue with keeping snow on the roof. I'm torn on the idea and have no idea what would happen if we dedicated a large scale effort to painting roofs across the northern latitudes.

It's been studied, and it's unbelievably effective.

You want snow on your roof anyway - it means your home is well enough insulated that it won't melt everything off.

Anyway, whitening office and  apartment building roofs is a fairly easy win, after that you just have to convince people to use lighter colored shingles on their homes.


You will have to legislate the lighter shingles. No HOA would ever let a house be different than how it was built.
 
2022-03-21 9:04:09 AM  
Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy
 
2022-03-21 9:04:31 AM  
Sea level rise is the least of it.

In the desert S.W. I'm seeing the ecosystem unravel at high speed. Insects, wildflowers, bird migrations, deer, elk, coyotes, foxes...the landscape's eerily silent. And this degradation really ramped up only two-three years ago.

Both Lake Powell and Lake Meade, along the Colorado River, are now close to falling below power generation levels. Soil moisture is even worse than river levels. Cattle ranchers are insisting the gubmint provide them with more pipelines from distant water supplies, so they can spray irrigate alfalfa fields for hay to feed desert welfare cattle & sheep that have already denuded much of the area. In the last year, exotic russian thistle (aka tumbleweeds) have gone crazy.

It's now tourist season. With RVs, ATVs and Subarus pouring in from distant states. Meanwhile our state legislature wants to build facilities to export more coal to the Pacific Rim. And solar power is considered socialism. Even 'environmentalists' oppose the idea of unsightly wind turbines, although average wind speeds have increased about 10mph in the last decade. And this is one state among 50; one country among 195.

The most 'radical enviro-wacko' predictions on global warming and climate change are proving to be far too conservative. We haven't even seen the real beginnings of methane feedback loops from the arctic, or rising seawater acidity.

None of this is a surprise. It's been predicted since the 1970s, but always pooh poohed. I'm so old, I remember when Zero Population Growth was a thing. Chemtrail conspiracists have wailed about the U.N. spraying birth control chemicals for decades. And I've always thought: "If only." Nobody's gonna do shiat about this until it's far too late. It's Mad Max time.
 
2022-03-21 9:04:39 AM  

mistahtom: The models were too conservative, the bad shiat's already here.


Mom keeps telling you to clean out that bedroom.
 
2022-03-21 9:06:01 AM  
It wasn't that long ago that the favorite denier talking point was "Yeah but the temperature in the Antarctic is below average!!!". Are they still running that one or have they "Gish Galloped" to the next one?
 
2022-03-21 9:08:40 AM  

GOSH BARN IT: Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy


You are talking about floating ice. We are not. Redo your experiment with the ice outside the glass but draining into the glass.
 
2022-03-21 9:09:00 AM  
weather stations near the north pole also showed signs of melting

Dayum.  What are those things made of?
 
2022-03-21 9:11:05 AM  

Fissile: which is the main reason the US has provoked the recent war.


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2022-03-21 9:14:01 AM  

OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...


way past.
 
2022-03-21 9:15:40 AM  
I rate this experiment a C - based on the lack of a control planet.
 
2022-03-21 9:16:18 AM  

Northern: Subtonic: I'll be long dead so who the hell cares.

-Your Republican Senator

The Doomsday Glacier is likely going to break free and then will melt in less than a year, immediately raising the oceans 3 feet.  Experts don't know when this event will happen, although it is starting to break apart already.
This will have dire consequences for anything within 10' of the current high tide mark.  It's actually going to destroy countries like Bangladesh and island nations in the Pacific.  In the US, many coastal areas will be washed away including Norfolk Virginia, Cape Cod, Cape Hatteras, the coast of Florida and much inland area, large portions of Louisiana and Texas, California, etc.
It's hard to conceive of the global damage from this one event.  The world will change almost overnight.  What will we do with the millions of climate refugees?  Will we bailout ordinary Americans, or only billionaires?  Will Lloyds of London go bankrupt?  It's terrifying.


From the article:   "New data also show how the rise and fall of ocean tides can speed up melting. Tides do this by pumping warm waters far beneath the ice. "

Darn that moon.  We need to tax it or something.
 
2022-03-21 9:18:15 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: no1curr: As polar sea ice melts, particularly in the Arctic, it reveals dark sea that absorbs more heat than reflective ice, warming the planet further.

I think I have a cunning plan, but we're going to need a lot of white paint

Probably a good idea, but people have an issue with keeping snow on the roof. I'm torn on the idea and have no idea what would happen if we dedicated a large scale effort to painting roofs across the northern latitudes.


A lot of paint gets used.

It saves significantly on cooling bills, and can be advertised as an efficiency measure alongside those programs to insulate old houses.

Give the option of a white/light tone roof or solar panels - or both, since panels don't cover whole roofs.

Then the question becomes, what do we do about the asphalt?
 
2022-03-21 9:20:05 AM  

mistahtom: Tyrone Slothrop: Doesn't matter, humanity has decided that fossil fuel profits and their country's immediate needs are more important than saving the planet.

Also don't forget the "right" to irresponsibility reproduce.  We're dealing with the beginnings of late-stage overpopulation.


Not really.

What we are dealing with is mismanagement.
 
2022-03-21 9:21:55 AM  

Fissile: OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...

You're probably correct, and the coming global warming disaster will give the Russians a distinct advantage which is the main reason the US has provoked the recent war.

https://www.theb1m.com/video/russia-arctic-sea-route-megaport-rosneft


We did the what now?
 
2022-03-21 9:25:08 AM  

calufrax: We passed it a few years ago. The warming effects in the atmosphere are 20 years behind the actual GHG release.


20 years ago was probably the last opportunity we had to avert what's coming, though I suspect it's more like 30-40.  Instead, everyone who could afford to do so lived a "good" life without thinking about the consequences.  They bought into the marketing message that said they deserved everything they could afford (and if they couldn't afford it, well, that's what credit was for).  You can blame the marketers, but all they were doing was telling people what they wanted to hear.  To a certain extent it makes me glad I was dead broke for most of my adult life.  I'm sure that, as an American, my GHG emissions were still above the global average, but probably far less than the American average.  Small solace, I guess.

Expecting something to be done now is like being the captain of the Titanic and saying "Maybe I should change course" when the ship was 100 feet from the iceberg.
 
2022-03-21 9:25:56 AM  

Northern: Subtonic: I'll be long dead so who the hell cares.

-Your Republican Senator

The Doomsday Glacier is likely going to break free and then will melt in less than a year, immediately raising the oceans 3 feet.  Experts don't know when this event will happen, although it is starting to break apart already.
This will have dire consequences for anything within 10' of the current high tide mark.  It's actually going to destroy countries like Bangladesh and island nations in the Pacific.  In the US, many coastal areas will be washed away including Norfolk Virginia, Cape Cod, Cape Hatteras, the coast of Florida and much inland area, large portions of Louisiana and Texas, California, etc.
It's hard to conceive of the global damage from this one event.  The world will change almost overnight.  What will we do with the millions of climate refugees?  Will we bailout ordinary Americans, or only billionaires?  Will Lloyds of London go bankrupt?  It's terrifying.


I am fully erect.
 
2022-03-21 9:26:04 AM  

GOSH BARN IT: Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy


How did you get so smart? One problem with your smart experiment. The water is salty. Try your experiment again with salt water.

As an aside, your talking point is so old and dumb, it was refuted in 2005 by the NSIDC before most climatologists even bothered engaging with proving denialists stupid.

https://nsidc.org/news/newsroom/20050801_floatingice.html
 
2022-03-21 9:27:57 AM  

GOSH BARN IT: Northern: Subtonic: I'll be long dead so who the hell cares.

-Your Republican Senator

The Doomsday Glacier is likely going to break free and then will melt in less than a year, immediately raising the oceans 3 feet.  Experts don't know when this event will happen, although it is starting to break apart already.
This will have dire consequences for anything within 10' of the current high tide mark.  It's actually going to destroy countries like Bangladesh and island nations in the Pacific.  In the US, many coastal areas will be washed away including Norfolk Virginia, Cape Cod, Cape Hatteras, the coast of Florida and much inland area, large portions of Louisiana and Texas, California, etc.
It's hard to conceive of the global damage from this one event.  The world will change almost overnight.  What will we do with the millions of climate refugees?  Will we bailout ordinary Americans, or only billionaires?  Will Lloyds of London go bankrupt?  It's terrifying.

From the article:   "New data also show how the rise and fall of ocean tides can speed up melting. Tides do this by pumping warm waters far beneath the ice. "

Darn that moon.  We need to tax it or something.


Where did the warmer water come from? Magicians?
 
2022-03-21 9:29:05 AM  

GOSH BARN IT: Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy


What you point out is true; however you minimize the impact that that will have. Those particular items melting will not raise sea levels, but they will undam inland glaciers that will travel into the sea and raise it.

You also completely forgot about the glaciers in Greenland, probably because they don't fit your narrative. They, along with a ton of ice in the Arctic that is held out of the water by the Labrador archipelago and the glaciers of Antarctica, WILL raise sea levels, and will do so significantly.

And that doesn't get into things like what effects the change in salinity will have on ocean currents.

Hell, just the water being marginally warmer has increased its volume by a measurable amount.
 
2022-03-21 9:29:58 AM  

God's Hobo Penis: Fissile: OldRod: Remember that "tipping point" everyone always used to worry about?  I'm thinking we're past that now...

You're probably correct, and the coming global warming disaster will give the Russians a distinct advantage which is the main reason the US has provoked the recent war.

https://www.theb1m.com/video/russia-arctic-sea-route-megaport-rosneft

We did the what now?


The coming global warming disaster means that large parts of northern Eurasia currently controlled by Russia will become a very desirable refuge after current large population centers are no longer habitable.
 
2022-03-21 9:30:21 AM  

Farking Canuck: GOSH BARN IT: Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy

You are talking about floating ice. We are not. Redo your experiment with the ice outside the glass but draining into the glass.


Farking Canuck: GOSH BARN IT: Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy

You are talking about floating ice. We are not. Redo your experiment with the ice outside the glass but draining into the glass.


The article said sea ice 7 times and the Arctic (you should know) is all sea ice.
 
2022-03-21 9:34:13 AM  

GOSH BARN IT: Farking Canuck: GOSH BARN IT: Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy

You are talking about floating ice. We are not. Redo your experiment with the ice outside the glass but draining into the glass.

Farking Canuck: GOSH BARN IT: Quick, put an ice cube in a cup of water.
Note the water level.
When the ice is all melted note the new (hey it's the same?) water level.

All of the North Pole ice and the ice shelves in the Antarctic can melt and the seas won't rise.

Quick, reduce the worlds population to less than a billion people.
You first, you be crazy

You are talking about floating ice. We are not. Redo your experiment with the ice outside the glass but draining into the glass.

The article said sea ice 7 times and the Arctic (you should know) is all sea ice.


Again, melting sea ice raises sea levels regardless of what your third grade science education "proves."
 
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