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359 clicks; posted to Sports » on 17 Mar 2022 at 5:03 PM (15 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-03-17 4:31:00 PM  
It's Hendrick.  OF COURSE they were getting picked to go.

Now, when they do an actual in-season race with a full field at Le Mans, that would get my attention.
 
2022-03-17 5:28:45 PM  
Well, someone had to make us pine for the days of the DeltaWing and the FWD NISMO GT-R. This is going to be...laughable, to be completely charitable about it. It'll probably be the slowest thing on the track, and will no doubt be fitted with some NASCAR Bubba'd version of tech that the other teams figured out years ago, which means it'll get parked for good 10 laps in.
 
2022-03-17 5:57:04 PM  
Last year's slowest qualifying time for the race was 3:52.960, which my rough math says is an average speed of 130.843 mph; by a GTE Am car, a car that weighs 655 lbs less than the new Cup cars (according to info on Wikipedia, and the weight on both include driver & fuel).

I'll put that time as my over/under on the Cup car's qualifying time next year and suggest that it's reasonable for them to get that time because there isn't a ton of tight corners on the circuit that will make braking a difficult proposition.
 
2022-03-17 6:20:31 PM  

desertgeek: Last year's slowest qualifying time for the race was 3:52.960, which my rough math says is an average speed of 130.843 mph; by a GTE Am car, a car that weighs 655 lbs less than the new Cup cars (according to info on Wikipedia, and the weight on both include driver & fuel).

I'll put that time as my over/under on the Cup car's qualifying time next year and suggest that it's reasonable for them to get that time because there isn't a ton of tight corners on the circuit that will make braking a difficult proposition.


They're going to have to do a LOT of modifying to the Gen 7 car. So much so that people are going to wonder why they didn't just call up Pratt & Miller and get one of their GT4 cars to use as a base. NASCAR Cup cars are obnoxiously huge, low-tech brawlers, and they're designed to be that way because entertainment value (also, idiots, but I digress). The amount of work that's going to have to go into making this capable of hanging with the slowest GTE-Am cars...well, you might have done better trying to train Mike Tyson to be a Wushu expert.
 
2022-03-17 6:35:55 PM  
yes, the entry given to innovation goes to the series that is just a few years removed form 1950s tech
 
2022-03-17 6:39:30 PM  
NASCAR 2: Le Mans Boogaloo.

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2022-03-17 6:50:07 PM  

Clutch2013: hey're going to have to do a LOT of modifying to the Gen 7 car. So much so that people are going to wonder why they didn't just call up Pratt & Miller and get one of their GT4 cars to use as a base. NASCAR Cup cars are obnoxiously huge, low-tech brawlers, and they're designed to be that way because entertainment value (also, idiots, but I digress). The amount of work that's going to have to go into making this capable of hanging with the slowest GTE-Am cars...well, you might have done better trying to train Mike Tyson to be a Wushu expert.


Well, they'll have to modify the cars anyway because NASCAR cars don't have headlights or taillights, which might be kind of required for a 24 hour race.

But I've seen some online already suggest that they might stick a hybrid engine into the car and I suspect they'll cut as much weight as possible from the car.

/one possible upside of this that I saw someone mention: we might be able to watch next year's LM24 on a better network
 
2022-03-17 7:04:04 PM  
Matt Damon was not a believable Carroll Shelby. Personality wise, maybe. But Shelby was a great big dude. That was part of why he was able to sell bullshiat to everyone. Six four was pretty damned big back in the day. He intimidated everyone and was a dick, too.

But he has a great white-chili mix.
 
2022-03-17 7:28:59 PM  
Le Mans has right turns.  Forewarned is forearmed.
 
2022-03-17 8:09:13 PM  

thebigtymer: NASCAR 2: Le Mans Boogaloo.

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I never heard the story of the 1976 NASCAR effort at Le Mans until today. hope they can build a car that can finish the race this time

and Denny Hamlin on Twitter today seemed a little pissed when he heard NASCAR and Hendrick were teaming up on this effort. I expect some quality whining out of him this weekend
 
2022-03-17 8:13:51 PM  

desertgeek: Clutch2013: hey're going to have to do a LOT of modifying to the Gen 7 car. So much so that people are going to wonder why they didn't just call up Pratt & Miller and get one of their GT4 cars to use as a base. NASCAR Cup cars are obnoxiously huge, low-tech brawlers, and they're designed to be that way because entertainment value (also, idiots, but I digress). The amount of work that's going to have to go into making this capable of hanging with the slowest GTE-Am cars...well, you might have done better trying to train Mike Tyson to be a Wushu expert.

Well, they'll have to modify the cars anyway because NASCAR cars don't have headlights or taillights, which might be kind of required for a 24 hour race.

But I've seen some online already suggest that they might stick a hybrid engine into the car and I suspect they'll cut as much weight as possible from the car.

/one possible upside of this that I saw someone mention: we might be able to watch next year's LM24 on a better network


A lot more is going to have to be done than just carving out weight and dropping in a hybrid engine (which will put some of that weight back).  The suspension?  Throw everything out and start over.  The brakes?  Most likely the same thing.  The chassis itself may have to get reworked heavily so it can handle the changing loads better.  The aero...that's going to need serious work, too, but I suspect NASCAR's going to gimp the hell out of anything done so that it still looks like their car.  Goodyear's going to have to find people who don't spend their entire shift drinking and actually make a tire that doesn't suck (if the ACO even allows Goodyears to be run).  And there's a laundry list of sh*t that I've not even considered or don't have the server space to detail.

Basically, the amount of work it's going to take to make this...

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...run with this...

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...is going to make a lot of people wonder why they don't just use these:

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2022-03-18 2:47:56 AM  

Clutch2013: desertgeek: Last year's slowest qualifying time for the race was 3:52.960, which my rough math says is an average speed of 130.843 mph; by a GTE Am car, a car that weighs 655 lbs less than the new Cup cars (according to info on Wikipedia, and the weight on both include driver & fuel).

I'll put that time as my over/under on the Cup car's qualifying time next year and suggest that it's reasonable for them to get that time because there isn't a ton of tight corners on the circuit that will make braking a difficult proposition.

They're going to have to do a LOT of modifying to the Gen 7 car. So much so that people are going to wonder why they didn't just call up Pratt & Miller and get one of their GT4 cars to use as a base. NASCAR Cup cars are obnoxiously huge, low-tech brawlers, and they're designed to be that way because entertainment value (also, idiots, but I digress). The amount of work that's going to have to go into making this capable of hanging with the slowest GTE-Am cars...well, you might have done better trying to train Mike Tyson to be a Wushu expert.


Cheat Knaus is working on it.  So, assuming he cheats it up so much based off the NASCAR rulebook that Smokey Yunick pops out of his grave and cheers him, and further assuming they convince He Who Shall Not Be Named to be one of the drivers, it could be fairly competitive.
 
2022-03-18 10:37:32 AM  
Anyone know how much ballast gen7 runs?
Getting rid of that, rebalancing car, maybe a beefier clutch, lights, quickly serviceable brakes (most entries switch pads at 12 hrs), and a slightly detuned engine to last 24 hrs, and I can see it competing.
Be like a gt class car, but without having to follow BOP rules.
 
2022-03-18 11:01:15 AM  
Back in the day, some private teams would run road track nascar cars at the Daytona 24, with mods to fit the rules of course

They never won class, but they were reliable and predictable
 
2022-03-18 11:42:57 AM  

bluorangefyre: Clutch2013: desertgeek: Last year's slowest qualifying time for the race was 3:52.960, which my rough math says is an average speed of 130.843 mph; by a GTE Am car, a car that weighs 655 lbs less than the new Cup cars (according to info on Wikipedia, and the weight on both include driver & fuel).

I'll put that time as my over/under on the Cup car's qualifying time next year and suggest that it's reasonable for them to get that time because there isn't a ton of tight corners on the circuit that will make braking a difficult proposition.

They're going to have to do a LOT of modifying to the Gen 7 car. So much so that people are going to wonder why they didn't just call up Pratt & Miller and get one of their GT4 cars to use as a base. NASCAR Cup cars are obnoxiously huge, low-tech brawlers, and they're designed to be that way because entertainment value (also, idiots, but I digress). The amount of work that's going to have to go into making this capable of hanging with the slowest GTE-Am cars...well, you might have done better trying to train Mike Tyson to be a Wushu expert.

Cheat Knaus is working on it.  So, assuming he cheats it up so much based off the NASCAR rulebook that Smokey Yunick pops out of his grave and cheers him, and further assuming they convince He Who Shall Not Be Named to be one of the drivers, it could be fairly competitive.


I know the rules are significantly relaxed for Garage 56 entries because it's supposed to be an exhibition deal, but even taking that into consideration, I can't see Knaus being able to polish this car into something that will lap at acceptable and safe speeds for very long, if at all - and definitely not at a price that'll be anything short of the burning money pile from The Dark Knight.  NASCAR can blow as much smoke up people's asses as they like - Cup cars are just too different from GT cars.
 
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