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(NBC News)   "I was in Moscow in the '90s after the first McDonald's restaurants opened, and I remember the excitement. So yes, the departure of a McDonald's or Coca-Cola is bound to have a psychological effect on the Russians"   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2022-03-11 8:47:35 AM  
Putin's economy is already dying, and he can't blame shift his way outta the mess. He can't thug his way out either.
The longer this continues, the worse it gets for Vlad....and there's *nothing* he can do about it.
But he could end the war... that would probably end the sanctions.
Heh.
 
2022-03-11 9:22:49 AM  
You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"
 
2022-03-11 9:32:39 AM  

Weaver95: Putin's economy is already dying, and he can't blame shift his way outta the mess. He can't thug his way out either.
The longer this continues, the worse it gets for Vlad....and there's *nothing* he can do about it.
But he could end the war... that would probably end the sanctions.
Heh.


At this point he is trying to fight a house fire by spitting on it and thinking it will work, the economy of Russia will probably be crippled for a while long after he is gone.
 
2022-03-11 9:37:10 AM  

Weaver95: Putin's economy is already dying, and he can't blame shift his way outta the mess. He can't thug his way out either.
The longer this continues, the worse it gets for Vlad....and there's *nothing* he can do about it.
But he could end the war... that would probably end the sanctions.
Heh.


Dying?  I'm pretty sure the moment Putin threatened to nationalize all western assets, he put the nail in the coffin of the economy until he's personally well past dead himself.
 
2022-03-11 9:38:45 AM  
I was in Moscow about a year after McDonalds opened there.  After 2 weeks of Russian food we wanted something tasty, so off we went.  The line was literally around the block.

We ate Russian food that day.
 
2022-03-11 9:40:30 AM  
As a weird aside, and similar story. I was in Dublin (about a 10 minute walk) from the site of the first Krispy Kreme to open in Ireland.

The queues to get a donut were simply ludicrous. I'm talking hours long waits for weeks.

So I understand the crazy appeal of something American showing up for the first time and what it does to people.
 
2022-03-11 9:53:01 AM  
I mean the leaked calls from Ukrainian Intel was dark but did have the bright spot of this convo that was basically

Solider: "is it true they are taking away coca-cola"

Wife: "yes"

Solider: immediately starts cursing a bunch.
 
2022-03-11 10:06:29 AM  

mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"


Oh they already know this crap is all Putin's fault. Russians aren't stupid. They know their government lies to them.
 
2022-03-11 10:08:14 AM  

mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"


Probably not.

Look at the crap Americans who get all of their news from OAN, Fox, Newsmax, etc. think.

Now consider that in Russia, Putin has complete control of the domestic media and has made it difficult to access foreign news.
 
2022-03-11 10:18:13 AM  

Snotnose: After 2 weeks of Russian food


From my limited understanding (never been to Russia), it's a culture difference.

Everyone knows the best food is made by their mother, wife, aunt, etc. because cooking at home has all the benefits that go with someone who desires to make a tasty meal. Any Russian food served at a normal canteen or restaurant is seen as being minimally fulfilling, and is sold as something that is only there for convenience and a cheap price. Most dining out in Russia is done as a necessity for people who can't go home to eat something, and the food is bland and cheap and that's the way they do it.

Going out to a restaurant for a delicious meal was/is a foreign concept to them that was/is out of reach for most Russians for most of their life. It was an expensive luxury that was unavailable to most of the population.
 
2022-03-11 10:20:49 AM  

Weaver95: Putin's economy is already dying, and he can't blame shift his way outta the mess. He can't thug his way out either.
The longer this continues, the worse it gets for Vlad....and there's *nothing* he can do about it.
But he could end the war... that would probably end the sanctions.
Heh.


I've seen interviews of Russians who argue that the opening of McDonald's was the start of western manipulation of the Russian economy and that McDonald's departure signifies the beginning of the end to manipulation.  So it appears that Putin's minions are trying to spin this as a "good thing".

I don't think the Western sanctions will end until Putin is no longer in charge.  He'll likely turn to the Chinese for trade, who in turn will walk a fine line between being Russia's BFF and pissing off the West.

The irony is that I could see China pushing its Belt and Road Initiative with Russia, which would likely bring it well into China's sphere of influence.  Unless Putin can keep corruption in check, the Chinese will abuse that relationship as they have done in corrupt emerging countries elsewhere.  Enjoy your new source of economic manipulation and crumbling infrastructure in 20 years.
 
2022-03-11 10:21:22 AM  

mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"


The sanctions on their aviation industry are going to quickly pile up. Both Boeing and Airbus are prohibited from supplying parts and maintenance to aircraft, so it's a matter of weeks or months before something either breaks or needs regular replacement on those planes. They'll be parked or flying with broken parts, or parts that are beyond service intervals. I bet the three big engine manufacturers (P&W, RR, GE) are also not supplying parts or maintenance.

With lots of modern high-tech engines being digitally connected for maintenance plans (telemetry that reports hours of use and conditions of use), I wonder if the engine manufacturers have the ability to remotely bork the engines? Like, upload some new firmware that disables the engines parked on the ground?
 
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2022-03-11 10:24:29 AM  
They can nationalize McDonalds there and have basically all the supplies they need to run the place.
McDonalds usually sources local to a country or region if I recall correctly.
They can have McLenins or whatever.
 
2022-03-11 10:25:12 AM  

mrmopar5287: I bet the three big engine manufacturers (P&W, RR, GE) are also not supplying parts or maintenance.



On the other hand...

This is where shady people with access to cargo planes start making 2000% markups on parts and supplies they can fly into the country. As in all wars, some people will make a lot of money.
 
2022-03-11 10:25:30 AM  

thornhill: mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"

Probably not.

Look at the crap Americans who get all of their news from OAN, Fox, Newsmax, etc. think.

Now consider that in Russia, Putin has complete control of the domestic media and has made it difficult to access foreign news.


But also consider the Russian people have a LONG tradition of circumventing state censorship of media.
Voice of America, Pirate Satellites, 'hacking' radios to allow banned channels...etc
And today with cellphone and internet it's going to be even more difficult for the state to throttle information flow.
 
2022-03-11 10:29:24 AM  
My wife peed in that McDonalds.
 
2022-03-11 10:30:20 AM  
Blue jeans.  Take away their Levi's.

In 1997 I volunteered to serve as a translator for some Russians who were visiting the US as part of a farming/ranching exchange program.  These were guys in their late 50s and 60s who had grown up Soviet.  The first thing they said to me was "Where can we buy jeans?"

Take away their Wrangler butts and it'll drive em nuts.
 
2022-03-11 10:38:44 AM  

optikeye: thornhill: mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"

Probably not.

Look at the crap Americans who get all of their news from OAN, Fox, Newsmax, etc. think.

Now consider that in Russia, Putin has complete control of the domestic media and has made it difficult to access foreign news.

But also consider the Russian people have a LONG tradition of circumventing state censorship of media.
Voice of America, Pirate Satellites, 'hacking' radios to allow banned channels...etc
And today with cellphone and internet it's going to be even more difficult for the state to throttle information flow.


I think that's overblown.

I've been seeing articles talking about how up until the very end of the USSR, most Soviets trusted state media, and the older generation who lived during the USSR-era believe what they hear on Putin-controlled media and aren't seeking other sources of info.

You and I may know how to use a VPN to get around state-sanctioned firewalls, but a lot, A LOT, of people have no clue.
 
2022-03-11 10:41:14 AM  

Snotnose: I was in Moscow about a year after McDonalds opened there.  After 2 weeks of Russian food we wanted something tasty, so off we went.  The line was literally around the block.

We ate Russian food that day.


"i have good news and bad news"
 
2022-03-11 10:45:40 AM  

thornhill: You and I may know how to use a VPN to get around state-sanctioned firewalls, but a lot, A LOT, of people have no clue.


I was talking about radio. "Radio Free Europe" "Voice of America" etc.
Soviets would buy radios that would have 'channel blockers' which most would remove.
Plus RFE and VOA would change broadcast frequencies.
You and I may learn to get around firewalls for porn reasons.
But in Soviet Russia they do it for news.
 
2022-03-11 10:46:29 AM  
doing em a favor.  mcdonalds isn't really even food.
 
2022-03-11 10:50:24 AM  

Juc: They can nationalize McDonalds there and have basically all the supplies they need to run the place.
McDonalds usually sources local to a country or region if I recall correctly.
They can have McLenins or whatever.


They can use the buildings and even make some of the supplies themselves but without quality control that insure uniformity it won't be McDonald's for long, it will just be a burger place in a McDonald building.
 
2022-03-11 11:31:58 AM  

Snotnose: I was in Moscow about a year after McDonalds opened there.  After 2 weeks of Russian food we wanted something tasty, so off we went.  The line was literally around the block.

We ate Russian food that day.


i love chicken kiev....wait a minute....
 
2022-03-11 11:47:06 AM  

grokca: My wife peed in that McDonalds.


Tell me more.......👀
 
2022-03-11 11:48:17 AM  
It's raining rubles at the Moscow Mall

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/and no one scrambles to grab them
 
2022-03-11 11:53:32 AM  
TFA:

"People ages 55 and up in Russia tend to get their information from TV and radio, which are wholly controlled by the Kremlin "

Well, we have that in common. Here, too, people 55 and up tend to get their information from TV and radio wholly controlled by the Kremlin.
 
2022-03-11 12:11:25 PM  

mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"


Were Russians ever NOT lied to? The Tsar was a liar. The Soviets were liars. Yeltsin was a liar, as was the west. Putin and the oligarchs obedient to him are liars. You need to understand that a large swath of this nation is not living in 2022 and expect nothing less. There is a reason Borat is funny.

There was an old Soviet joke about the two newspapers, Pravda (Truth) and Isvestia (News):

'There is no Pravda in Izvestia and there is no Izvestia in Pravda.'
 
2022-03-11 12:15:30 PM  

mrmopar5287: Everyone knows the best food is made by their mother, wife, aunt, etc.


In my case it was a 16 day river cruise from Leningrad to Moscow.  All meals were on the boat, where presumably they had a cook who understood western tastes.

The food wasn't bad, mind you.  Just bland and, after a few days, rather samey.
 
2022-03-11 12:23:31 PM  

mrmopar5287: mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"

The sanctions on their aviation industry are going to quickly pile up. Both Boeing and Airbus are prohibited from supplying parts and maintenance to aircraft, so it's a matter of weeks or months before something either breaks or needs regular replacement on those planes. They'll be parked or flying with broken parts, or parts that are beyond service intervals. I bet the three big engine manufacturers (P&W, RR, GE) are also not supplying parts or maintenance.

With lots of modern high-tech engines being digitally connected for maintenance plans (telemetry that reports hours of use and conditions of use), I wonder if the engine manufacturers have the ability to remotely bork the engines? Like, upload some new firmware that disables the engines parked on the ground?


Note that apparently China is refusing to step in and provide parts for these planes, which is very interesting, as everybody is assuming that they were going to supply Russia with substitutes for all the Western products that are being withdrawn.
 
2022-03-11 12:25:06 PM  

Meat's dream: Blue jeans.  Take away their Levi's.

In 1997 I volunteered to serve as a translator for some Russians who were visiting the US as part of a farming/ranching exchange program.  These were guys in their late 50s and 60s who had grown up Soviet.  The first thing they said to me was "Where can we buy jeans?"

Take away their Wrangler butts and it'll drive em nuts.


Levis et al have already pulled out.
 
2022-03-11 12:35:13 PM  

Geotpf: mrmopar5287: mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"

The sanctions on their aviation industry are going to quickly pile up. Both Boeing and Airbus are prohibited from supplying parts and maintenance to aircraft, so it's a matter of weeks or months before something either breaks or needs regular replacement on those planes. They'll be parked or flying with broken parts, or parts that are beyond service intervals. I bet the three big engine manufacturers (P&W, RR, GE) are also not supplying parts or maintenance.

With lots of modern high-tech engines being digitally connected for maintenance plans (telemetry that reports hours of use and conditions of use), I wonder if the engine manufacturers have the ability to remotely bork the engines? Like, upload some new firmware that disables the engines parked on the ground?

Note that apparently China is refusing to step in and provide parts for these planes, which is very interesting, as everybody is assuming that they were going to supply Russia with substitutes for all the Western products that are being withdrawn.


China wants a weak Russia. (They also want a weak US, BTW.) Any leverage they can acquire they will. Russia has the resources, China has the labour. Almost all the Russian population lives west of the Ural mountains, so eventually, it will be Chinese immigrants, I mean we are talking absurd numbers- this will not be like Mexican labour in the United States- that will be flooding the Siberian border to extract the Russian resources. And as they work they will establish homes and families and community. It will be impossible for Russia to expel them if they want to.
 
2022-03-11 12:41:34 PM  

Bukharin: It will be impossible for Russia to expel them if they want to.


Let's not underestimate two genocide forces on a collision course.
 
2022-03-11 12:45:37 PM  

Intrepid00: Bukharin: It will be impossible for Russia to expel them if they want to.

Let's not underestimate two genocide forces on a collision course.


Gentleman's bet? $1 when these two nations come to blows?
 
2022-03-11 12:52:53 PM  

Bukharin: Intrepid00: Bukharin: It will be impossible for Russia to expel them if they want to.

Let's not underestimate two genocide forces on a collision course.

Gentleman's bet? $1 when these two nations come to blows?


I like you.
 
2022-03-11 12:54:39 PM  

Intrepid00: Bukharin: Intrepid00: Bukharin: It will be impossible for Russia to expel them if they want to.

Let's not underestimate two genocide forces on a collision course.

Gentleman's bet? $1 when these two nations come to blows?

I like you.


like a brother?

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2022-03-11 1:03:29 PM  

Bukharin: Intrepid00: Bukharin: Intrepid00: Bukharin: It will be impossible for Russia to expel them if they want to.

Let's not underestimate two genocide forces on a collision course.

Gentleman's bet? $1 when these two nations come to blows?

I like you.

like a brother?

[bradwarthen.com image 360x240]


What do you think OJ futures?
 
2022-03-11 1:23:34 PM  

Intrepid00: Bukharin: Intrepid00: Bukharin: Intrepid00: Bukharin: It will be impossible for Russia to expel them if they want to.

Let's not underestimate two genocide forces on a collision course.

Gentleman's bet? $1 when these two nations come to blows?

I like you.

like a brother?

[bradwarthen.com image 360x240]

What do you think OJ futures?


Norm Macdonald beheads OJ Simpson
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2022-03-11 1:26:40 PM  
McDonald's left Iceland after the 2008 financial crisis, never to return. A local burger chain took over the locations.

Those Russians who want burgers and can afford to buy them will probably be able to find them.

The real problem is that there are going to be far fewer Russians able to afford luxuries like fast food from this point forward. The loss of the Big Mac is the least of Russians' problems right now.
 
2022-03-11 2:20:31 PM  
I thought Russia was Pepsi territory.
 
2022-03-11 3:55:06 PM  

MikeyFuccon: McDonald's left Iceland after the 2008 financial crisis, never to return. A local burger chain took over the locations.

Those Russians who want burgers and can afford to buy them will probably be able to find them.

The real problem is that there are going to be far fewer Russians able to afford luxuries like fast food from this point forward. The loss of the Big Mac is the least of Russians' problems right now.


Of couse if Mercedes pull out, shiat will get real...
 
2022-03-11 4:13:47 PM  

MikeyFuccon: The real problem is that there are going to be far fewer Russians able to afford luxuries like fast food from this point forward.


A lot less Americans too. I haven't eaten beef in 2 months now. Beef has gone stupid but the ranchers are being paid shiat. So glad the DOJ took that bribe to let the meat packers keep price fixing.
 
2022-03-11 4:15:22 PM  
When I lived in Prague, I made it a point to visit the Museum of Communism. Location? Top floor of a building with a McDonalds at the bottom. Next door to a casino.
 
2022-03-11 4:21:17 PM  

batlock666: I thought Russia was Pepsi territory.


Most recent data I could find in a quickie Google search:

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So, an exact tie as of 2008.
 
2022-03-11 7:38:24 PM  

Boomstickz: Of couse if Mercedes pull out, shiat will get real...


Nothing like is Adidas cuts them off

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/maybe Reebok too
 
2022-03-11 8:45:22 PM  

Intrepid00: MikeyFuccon: The real problem is that there are going to be far fewer Russians able to afford luxuries like fast food from this point forward.

A lot less Americans too. I haven't eaten beef in 2 months now. Beef has gone stupid but the ranchers are being paid shiat. So glad the DOJ took that bribe to let the meat packers keep price fixing.


Yep.  We rarely eat beef to begin with and pretty much only when on sale or when we get a craving for steak.

Tofu (yeah yeah) is still really cheap.  Really hoping the prices stay low since REAL MURICANS(TM) won't eat it.

This cost $1.79 at the store today so I picked up 3 for the freezer:

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2022-03-11 8:59:00 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Boomstickz: Of couse if Mercedes pull out, shiat will get real...

Nothing like is Adidas cuts them off

[Fark user image image 275x183]
/maybe Reebok too


Puma is to Addis what Trader Joe is to Aldi.
 
2022-03-12 3:33:34 AM  

mactheknife: You've got to think at some point the Russian people are going to see virtually everyone else pull out of their economy and wonder, "Think maybe we're being lied to about this Ukrainian business?"


nOPE.....Most are believing the "Russian Media" and that Ukraine is a Nazi State......Russia has ILLEGALLY invaded a sovereign state and perpetruireted War crimes.

They DESERVE to be ATOM BOMBED to the Stone Age Existence ......... fark Biden and fark Putin
 
2022-03-12 6:57:46 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Boomstickz: Of couse if Mercedes pull out, shiat will get real...

Nothing like is Adidas cuts them off

[Fark user image 275x183]
/maybe Reebok too


There is an impostor in that picture.
Heels in sky, Western Spy!

Heels on ground: gopnik found.
 
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