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2022-03-10 2:24:12 PM  
In other news, sky is blue, water wets, women have secrets.
 
2022-03-10 2:50:13 PM  
This is about as surprising as the sun rising in the morning. Only idiots with no sense of object permanence see it and go, "HOLY SHIAT! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!?! NO WAY! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!"

/ Or assholes in denial
 
2022-03-10 4:01:42 PM  
So, everything went exactly as planned.
 
2022-03-10 7:31:16 PM  
Who could have predicted this stunning development.
 
2022-03-10 7:43:30 PM  
They didn't even have to win the fight over the citizenship question for this effect:

The 2020 census continued a longstanding trend of undercounting Black people, Latinos and Native Americans, while overcounting people who identified as white and not Latino, according to estimates from a report the U.S. Census Bureau released Thursday.
Latinos were left out of the 2020 census at more than three times the rate of a decade earlier
.

They only had to propose the question and have the very public fight over it.
 
2022-03-10 8:05:45 PM  
Did we not know this? I thought we knew this. There was a whole argument over the citizenship question that made this clear...
 
2022-03-10 8:06:06 PM  
So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.
 
2022-03-10 8:07:02 PM  
In Detroit it was pointed out that there are more homes with private electrical accounts than people in the city according to the census.
 
2022-03-10 8:07:31 PM  
It is going to take generations to undo the damage that Trump did to our country.

And yet, he is still walking around, a free man.
 
2022-03-10 8:08:08 PM  
Well, duh!  And the LGBTQs that so love Trump, also.
 
2022-03-10 8:09:32 PM  

brokenbiscuits: This is about as surprising as the sun rising in the morning. Only idiots with no sense of object permanence see it and go, "HOLY SHIAT! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!?! NO WAY! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!"

/ Or assholes in denial


Sunrise is just like the movie 50 First Dates, but watchable.
 
2022-03-10 8:09:44 PM  

wademh: In other news, sky is blue, water wets, women have secrets.


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2022-03-10 8:09:53 PM  
Cumberbatch, his bowels constricted dot jiff
 
2022-03-10 8:09:56 PM  
Hillary would have done exactly the same thing, you guys!
 
2022-03-10 8:12:22 PM  
If there was any justice in this country (lol) Wilbur Ross would be in jail.
 
2022-03-10 8:12:35 PM  

Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.


I've been yelling this exact thing ever since it became abundantly clear what a dumpster fire the census was. For the longest time, Farkers just laughed at my insistence as though it were a preposterous idea to redo the census.

The alternative, doing nothing, is to willfully allow marginalized Americans to be further marginalized.
 
2022-03-10 8:13:38 PM  
And yes, there is literally nothing stopping the US from performing another census. The law requires that one be done every ten years; the law does not at all prevent doing them more frequently than that.
 
2022-03-10 8:14:21 PM  
Don't worry, though, it won't have any effect on Congressional representation, per TFA.

* puts finger to earpiece *

I'm sorry, I'm being told that we SHOULD worry about that because the racist minority will retain its outsized and undeserved influence on elections.
 
2022-03-10 8:15:57 PM  
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2022-03-10 8:16:32 PM  

Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.


Have you considered running for public office?

That would be a winning campaign theme

/ not joking
 
2022-03-10 8:16:46 PM  

Yakk: In Detroit it was pointed out that there are more homes with private electrical accounts than people in the city according to the census.


It's well known that Detroiters all have second homes, if not thirds.
 
2022-03-10 8:17:06 PM  

austerity101: And yes, there is literally nothing stopping the US from performing another census. The law requires that one be done every ten years; the law does not at all prevent doing them more frequently than that.


If anything you could make a strong argument for it because of COVID.
 
2022-03-10 8:17:27 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Hillary would have done exactly the same thing, you guys!


More Sanders supporters showed up for Hillary in the 2016 election and Biden in the 2020 election than Hillary supporters did for Obama in the 2008 election.

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https://sites.duke.edu/hillygus/files/2014/06/hendersonhillygustompsonPOQ.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/07/yougov_polling_biden_skeptics_are_moderate_democrats_143640.html

But you already knew that.
 
2022-03-10 8:18:40 PM  
Counting things wasn't Trump's forte.
 
2022-03-10 8:18:45 PM  
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2022-03-10 8:19:02 PM  

Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.


Other than Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and over 200 years of laws and court decisions.  It would take longer than eight years to change the frequency at which a census is done.
 
2022-03-10 8:19:35 PM  

austerity101: And yes, there is literally nothing stopping the US from performing another census. The law requires that one be done every ten years; the law does not at all prevent doing them more frequently than that.


Congress would find some way to not fund it.
 
2022-03-10 8:20:17 PM  

toraque: It is going to take generations to undo the damage that Trump did to our country.

And yet, he is still walking around, a free man.


AND, he won't shut the fark up. Why doesn't he go away?
 
2022-03-10 8:20:44 PM  
Oh, look -- it's our old friend s***stemic racism.
 
2022-03-10 8:22:33 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Rapmaster2000: Hillary would have done exactly the same thing, you guys!

More Sanders supporters showed up for Hillary in the 2016 election and Biden in the 2020 election than Hillary supporters did for Obama in the 2008 election.

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https://sites.duke.edu/hillygus/files/2014/06/hendersonhillygustompsonPOQ.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/07/yougov_polling_biden_skeptics_are_moderate_democrats_143640.html

But you already knew that.


That's because they're centrists.  They probably voted and went to brunch.  They're not committed to Direct Action.
 
2022-03-10 8:24:18 PM  

BlousyBrown: toraque: It is going to take generations to undo the damage that Trump did to our country.

And yet, he is still walking around, a free man.

AND, he won't shut the fark up. Why doesn't he go away?


Because millions of people hang on his every word.
 
2022-03-10 8:26:29 PM  
Well, the country is white supremist which makes everyone complicit in racism, consciously or not. . Everyone needs to do the work.
 
2022-03-10 8:27:32 PM  
One might conclude that American institutions by their very nature perpetuate systemic racism. Perhaps someone could work out an academic theory to explain how this occurs. I suppose something like that may rattle the cages of racists a bit.
 
2022-03-10 8:28:30 PM  
So, what's going to happen with these bad numbers?

Pretend there's nothing wrong and keep them the way they are?
 
2022-03-10 8:30:00 PM  

Blahbbs: austerity101: And yes, there is literally nothing stopping the US from performing another census. The law requires that one be done every ten years; the law does not at all prevent doing them more frequently than that.

Congress would find some way to not fund it.


Yes. The only thing that is preventing the US from fixing this is a lack of political will. Like most of our problems.
 
2022-03-10 8:30:05 PM  

foo monkey: Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.

Other than Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and over 200 years of laws and court decisions.  It would take longer than eight years to change the frequency at which a census is done.


Article 1 Section 2 Clause 3 only says that a census must be conducted every ten years.  It doesn't say ONLY every ten years.  There is an argument than an additional census would be appropriate, especially with covid as a justifying reason.
 
2022-03-10 8:31:09 PM  
Subby, I know you have a hard on hate for TFG, but it wasn't his census, per se (is that the correct spelling?), it was the Republicans census.  Same as it ever was, but with more "ooga booga!" added.
 
2022-03-10 8:32:42 PM  

BlousyBrown: toraque: It is going to take generations to undo the damage that Trump did to our country.

And yet, he is still walking around, a free man.

AND, he won't shut the fark up. Why doesn't he go away?


Because he intends to become President again, and has an at least plausible plan to do so.
Your desire to forget about him is ill considered.
It would be like forgetting about gravity or rattlesnakes.
They would still be there, you see. Like Trump.
 
2022-03-10 8:33:46 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: foo monkey: Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.

Other than Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and over 200 years of laws and court decisions.  It would take longer than eight years to change the frequency at which a census is done.

Article 1 Section 2 Clause 3 only says that a census must be conducted every ten years.  It doesn't say ONLY every ten years.  There is an argument than an additional census would be appropriate, especially with covid as a justifying reason.


I think there have been a couple cities/counties that have successfully sued for a recount too.

So it's not that unheard of.
 
2022-03-10 8:37:07 PM  
Isn't the census required to be done at a maximum of ten years? Nothing says we can't do it again, just the cost.
 
2022-03-10 8:37:33 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Rapmaster2000: Hillary would have done exactly the same thing, you guys!

More Sanders supporters showed up for Hillary in the 2016 election and Biden in the 2020 election than Hillary supporters did for Obama in the 2008 election.

[Fark user image image 448x310]

https://sites.duke.edu/hillygus/files/2014/06/hendersonhillygustompsonPOQ.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/07/yougov_polling_biden_skeptics_are_moderate_democrats_143640.html

But you already knew that.


And the Sanders voters who *didn't* vote for Clinton were never going to vote for another status quo democrat anyway.  See West Virginia.

/Trump campaigned on change
//Clinton campaigned on staying the course, and ignored the Rust Belt.
///if you're struggling, and have been struggling, and socially ignorant, you just might pull the lever advertise as "change" rather than "stay the course"
 
2022-03-10 8:38:28 PM  

FireSpy: Isn't the census required to be done at a maximum of ten years? Nothing says we can't do it again, just the cost.


Never mind. Read thread, then post.
 
2022-03-10 8:39:16 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: foo monkey: Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.

Other than Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and over 200 years of laws and court decisions.  It would take longer than eight years to change the frequency at which a census is done.

Article 1 Section 2 Clause 3 only says that a census must be conducted every ten years.  It doesn't say ONLY every ten years.  There is an argument than an additional census would be appropriate, especially with covid as a justifying reason.


One could argue that a census was not conducted
 
2022-03-10 8:44:41 PM  
Probably helped Democrats due to minority undercounts in Southern states.  For example, Texas was expected to get three more Congressional seats, but only got two.
 
2022-03-10 8:45:27 PM  

Goimir: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: foo monkey: Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.

Other than Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and over 200 years of laws and court decisions.  It would take longer than eight years to change the frequency at which a census is done.

Article 1 Section 2 Clause 3 only says that a census must be conducted every ten years.  It doesn't say ONLY every ten years.  There is an argument than an additional census would be appropriate, especially with covid as a justifying reason.

One could argue that a census was not conducted


It was conducted, just not completed.
 
2022-03-10 8:46:23 PM  
The Census is farked up, but not because Trump ordered the Census to cook the books.

I know for a fact that the Census made every attempt to count people in New Jersey.  They even extended operations in areas with high percentages of minorities and poor.  large numbers of people in those areas REFUSED to comply.

The damage done to the country by the likes of the GOP, Fox News and talk radio over last 3 decades is massive and probably permanent.   There are tens of millions of people in the US who have lost all trust in government.  Some just don't believe the government will ever benefit them in any way.  Others believe the government is outright their enemy.  I honestly believe the US is on the verge of becoming a totalitarian state.
 
2022-03-10 8:47:58 PM  

Goimir: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: foo monkey: Karma Chameleon: So what's being done about it? No reason another census can't be taken. We are clearly just making governing up as we go along so do it.

Other than Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and over 200 years of laws and court decisions.  It would take longer than eight years to change the frequency at which a census is done.

Article 1 Section 2 Clause 3 only says that a census must be conducted every ten years.  It doesn't say ONLY every ten years.  There is an argument than an additional census would be appropriate, especially with covid as a justifying reason.

One could argue that a census was not conducted


Weren't Trump and the Republicans demanding to end it as soon as possible and in fact it wasn't completely done?
 
2022-03-10 8:49:12 PM  
Hey, how about this: if you do not complete the Census, you are ineligible for any benefit. Make it simple. The Constitution requires a decennial Census. Demand you be allowed to complete it. I don't understand why people fight it. If nothing else, it is proof you were here.

I like it uses the word "enumeration." By me, it means giving each person a number, like an SSN.

I don't have a problem with it.
 
2022-03-10 8:54:31 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Rapmaster2000: Hillary would have done exactly the same thing, you guys!

More Sanders supporters showed up for Hillary in the 2016 election and Biden in the 2020 election than Hillary supporters did for Obama in the 2008 election.

[Fark user image image 448x310]

https://sites.duke.edu/hillygus/files/2014/06/hendersonhillygustompsonPOQ.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/07/yougov_polling_biden_skeptics_are_moderate_democrats_143640.html

But you already knew that.


Ok.   So what?
 
2022-03-10 9:00:10 PM  

austerity101: And yes, there is literally nothing stopping the US from performing another census. The law requires that one be done every ten years; the law does not at all prevent doing them more frequently than that.


Mostly liberals, since leverage states went out of the way to get as many people in the census, while red states ignored blacks and Latinos. The last thing liberals want is a correct count to realize how many more people live in red states
 
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