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2022-03-07 1:41:49 PM  
Cool!  *I* don't want me to watch baseball this year, either!
 
2022-03-07 2:15:21 PM  
We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.
 
2022-03-07 3:45:39 PM  
Yay!  I finally get to be in full agreement with rich dudes!
 
2022-03-07 3:55:41 PM  

tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.


Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.
 
2022-03-07 4:03:00 PM  

tudorgurl: who work half a year


Yeah, that might have been true as recently as 1958
 
2022-03-07 4:06:02 PM  

nmrsnr: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.


I'd be pretty happy if they just paid to build their own stadiums, paid all the regular staff a living wage, etc.
 
2022-03-07 4:19:52 PM  

tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.


Teachers don't work all year either. But I farking do.
 
2022-03-07 4:20:31 PM  

tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.


So your solution is to divide the two unions and support the owners?
 
2022-03-07 4:20:57 PM  

JessieL: nmrsnr: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.

I'd be pretty happy if they just paid to build their own stadiums, paid all the regular staff a living wage, etc.


Why would they ever pay for their own stadiums when cities fall over themselves to pay owners for the privilege of spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars?
 
2022-03-07 4:21:25 PM  

iamskibibitz: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Teachers don't work all year either. But I farking do.


Best part of teaching is all that sweet time off. Then again, most teachers I know work in that time off for extra money.
 
2022-03-07 4:22:56 PM  

nmrsnr: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.


Won't somebody please think of all those poor owners? Why, I heard the return on a franchise investment is less than the S&P 500! If that's true, an owner whose team is worth the median $2.2 billion might make less than $200 million in a year. How is he supposed to feed his family on that? He might have to settle for a smaller megayacht, or perhaps wait until next season for it! We should get a telethon going for these poor souls. Damn those money-grubbing players who do all the work, create all the value, and have the audacity to try to make millions from it! They think they should have rights? Even during the first six years of their careers?

It's hard out here for a plutocrat.
 
2022-03-07 4:23:09 PM  

nmrsnr: JessieL: nmrsnr: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.

I'd be pretty happy if they just paid to build their own stadiums, paid all the regular staff a living wage, etc.

Why would they ever pay for their own stadiums when cities fall over themselves to pay owners for the privilege of spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars?


It's only the lesser cities that do it. Arlington, Santa Clara, Oklahoma City, random cities in Jersey, etc. Big cities see it for what it is. The Warriors had to pay for their arena, SF and Oakland aren't playing that game. San Jose might and I'm from there.
 
2022-03-07 4:23:51 PM  
Lifelong baseball fan.

checking out i think.  The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it. The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it. the absurd pandemic season in 2020.  the 4 finger walk, advertising stuck on every squire inch of everything, the DH in the NL, the runner on 2nd to start extra innings...

Baseball is supposed to be hard.  They're turning this into a beer league.

i have better things to do than watch this nonsense.
 
2022-03-07 4:25:23 PM  

tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.


It's a lockout, genius, not a strike. There's nothing stopping the owners from letting spring training proceed, right now, as a good faith gesture while negotiations continue. They're not doing that because they want to grind every concession they can from the players' union.
 
2022-03-07 4:26:27 PM  
To repeat what has been said before by other people, play a season with the next 1,200 most talented baseball players available in America and the quality will go down substantially. Play a season with 30 new ownership groups and things will probably even improve a bit.

I choose the 1,200.
 
2022-03-07 4:28:39 PM  

adammpower: Lifelong baseball fan.

checking out i think.  The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it. The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it. the absurd pandemic season in 2020.  the 4 finger walk, advertising stuck on every squire inch of everything, the DH in the NL, the runner on 2nd to start extra innings...

Baseball is supposed to be hard.  They're turning this into a beer league.

i have better things to do than watch this nonsense.


Beer league games usually only last an hour and a half.
 
2022-03-07 4:30:28 PM  

adammpower: Lifelong baseball fan.

checking out i think.  The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it. The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it. the absurd pandemic season in 2020.  the 4 finger walk, advertising stuck on every squire inch of everything, the DH in the NL, the runner on 2nd to start extra innings...

Baseball is supposed to be hard.  They're turning this into a beer league.

i have better things to do than watch this nonsense.


I can't take anyone born after 1965 that complains about the DH seriously.
 
2022-03-07 4:32:06 PM  

The Bestest: adammpower: Lifelong baseball fan.

checking out i think.  The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it. The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it. the absurd pandemic season in 2020.  the 4 finger walk, advertising stuck on every squire inch of everything, the DH in the NL, the runner on 2nd to start extra innings...

Baseball is supposed to be hard.  They're turning this into a beer league.

i have better things to do than watch this nonsense.

I can't take anyone born after 1965 that complains about the DH seriously.


The DH in the American league came about the same

AppleOptionEsc: adammpower: Lifelong baseball fan.

checking out i think.  The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it. The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it. the absurd pandemic season in 2020.  the 4 finger walk, advertising stuck on every squire inch of everything, the DH in the NL, the runner on 2nd to start extra innings...

Baseball is supposed to be hard.  They're turning this into a beer league.

i have better things to do than watch this nonsense.

Beer league games usually only last an hour and a half.


yeah, because they don't have 2 hours of commercials in them.
 
2022-03-07 4:33:20 PM  

tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.


This is not what's happening.  This is a labor dispute, plain and simple.  The long and the short of it is that the owners are trying to screw the players and embarking on a massive pr blitz to convince us that it's the players' workers' fault.  I will bore you with such details of the luxury tax threshold, service time manipulation, and such but will leave you with these 2 facts:

1) The books of the MLB teams are closed, despite the league having an very unique and weird antitrust exemption granted by congress ages ago for reasons.  Owners have fought tooth and nail to see how much they actually make.  For a set of reasons, we got lucky and are able to get a look at the books of the Wold Champion Atlanta Braves.  The players get about 30% of what the team brings in.  For the NBA and NFL this number is more like 50%

2) There is a long history of bad blood between labor and management that goes back...well forever.  Back in the 80's the league were found guilty in federal court not once, but twice of illegal collusion and had to pay hundreds of millions to the players in multiple settlements.

People who follow such things are near unanimous that the league it refusing to negotiate in good faith and is not budging an inch, does not care about not having a season, and is planning canceling as much of the season is necessary to fark over the players.
 
2022-03-07 4:42:01 PM  

JessieL: nmrsnr: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.

I'd be pretty happy if they just paid to build their own stadiums, paid all the regular staff a living wage, etc.


Dunno about MLB, but the last time the Pittsburgh Steelers needed a new NFL stadium, Mr. Rooney (Steelers' Owner) *tried* to build the new stadium on his own dime.

He got shot down by the city.  If they had let him build the stadium himself - selecting and procuring the site, hiring the architect, approving the design, vetting, hiring, and paying the contractors, handling the concession contracts, etc. - he would have been making all those decisions himself.

Not the city.

Which means they couldn't build any bribery or graft into the new stadium and funnel the money into their own pockets.

I'm betting the city got full support from the league on this, too, since the NFL could in no way allow a precedent like that to get onto the books.
 
2022-03-07 4:43:25 PM  

peachpicker: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

It's a lockout, genius, not a strike. There's nothing stopping the owners from letting spring training proceed, right now, as a good faith gesture while negotiations continue. They're not doing that because they want to grind every concession they can from the players' union.


If the owners hold out past a mid April start, then players dont get pension credit for the year.   The will not budge till then.  But even if they did, they have already said it will be 4-6 weeks before they can play, which puts teh season start to 6/1.
 
2022-03-07 4:44:45 PM  

adammpower: The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it


The steroid era was a direct result of the '94 strike and the league was complicit.  They knew they players were juicing, actively turned a blind eye, and were quite pleased when we had McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds sockin' dingers to get everybody excited about baseball again.

The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it.

The Astros got off easy because they weren't the only ones doing it, and if the league had actually punished them they'd have had to start pulling threads that could have made the thing oh so much worse.
 
2022-03-07 4:47:03 PM  
there are NO good guys here
 
2022-03-07 4:47:51 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: JessieL: nmrsnr: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.

I'd be pretty happy if they just paid to build their own stadiums, paid all the regular staff a living wage, etc.

Dunno about MLB, but the last time the Pittsburgh Steelers needed a new NFL stadium, Mr. Rooney (Steelers' Owner) *tried* to build the new stadium on his own dime.

He got shot down by the city.  If they had let him build the stadium himself - selecting and procuring the site, hiring the architect, approving the design, vetting, hiring, and paying the contractors, handling the concession contracts, etc. - he would have been making all those decisions himself.

Not the city.

Which means they couldn't build any bribery or graft into the new stadium and funnel the money into their own pockets.

I'm betting the city got full support from the league on this, too, since the NFL could in no way allow a precedent like that to get onto the books.


In Kansas City the owners cant get a brand new Downtown Stadium, yea Kaughman is old and kinda out in the middle of nowhere, but the fans LOVE it.   Its easy to get to, loads of parking, great for tailgating.   So instead we are getting a new Airport that no one wants other than politicians and the heavy constructors.   Life Life, Graft always finds a way.
 
2022-03-07 4:48:07 PM  

Forty-Three: adammpower: The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it

The steroid era was a direct result of the '94 strike and the league was complicit.  They knew they players were juicing, actively turned a blind eye, and were quite pleased when we had McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds sockin' dingers to get everybody excited about baseball again.

The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it.

The Astros got off easy because they weren't the only ones doing it, and if the league had actually punished them they'd have had to start pulling threads that could have made the thing oh so much worse.


Yeah, in both of these cases MLB could have done "something" they chose to try and polish the turd instead.
 
2022-03-07 4:51:29 PM  

tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.


Five bucks to your PayPal or a 501(c)(3) of your choice if you explain to Subby why we don't randomly choose words to capitalize.
 
2022-03-07 5:06:05 PM  

adammpower: Forty-Three: adammpower: The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it

The steroid era was a direct result of the '94 strike and the league was complicit.  They knew they players were juicing, actively turned a blind eye, and were quite pleased when we had McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds sockin' dingers to get everybody excited about baseball again.

The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it.

The Astros got off easy because they weren't the only ones doing it, and if the league had actually punished them they'd have had to start pulling threads that could have made the thing oh so much worse.

Yeah, in both of these cases MLB could have done "something" they chose to try and polish the turd instead.


Well...sort of.  The thing is that players had been juicing forever.  By the 90's there were multiple players, revered players, in the Hall of fame that were using (wanna know a name? tell me your team and I'll give you one that won't break your heart).  And the thing is, until 1990 anabolic steroids were totally 100% legal.  When they were federally outlawed in 1991, baseball added a clause that "banned" them.  Sort of.  They were against the rules but the clause also prohibited the league from testing players or investigating them and did not include any punishment if they got caught.  The league basically agreed to let the players keep doing what they always had been so long as they didn't get arrested.  Then the strike happened, a bunch of dingers happened, and well, you know how it goes from there...

As for the Astros, yeah, I get why it feels bad, but honestly don't know what the best of the options was here.
 
2022-03-07 5:08:53 PM  

tobcc: If the owners hold out past a mid April start, then players dont get pension credit for the year. The will not budge till then. But even if they did, they have already said it will be 4-6 weeks before they can play, which puts teh season start to 6/1.


Yea, that's not going to fly. The owners may *THINK* they'll be able to pull that off, but given that this is a lockout, not a strike, the players will simply argue in court that the owners were intentionally negotiating in bad faith to withhold wages and pensions. And they'll win, too. (MLB vs MLBPA in court is so lopsided towards the players, because the owners are a bunch of incompetent greedy morons, it's not even remotely a contest.)
 
2022-03-07 5:44:14 PM  
From the beginning, this has been about the owners' greed and their desire to break the players' union.  They have negotiated in bad faith since day 1, and they have not put a single CBA proposal on the table that isn't an attempt to screw the players.  The owners like being able to make ridiculous profits while not caring if their franchises field competitive teams.  They have pulled every trick in the boom to keep wages down, while their franchise valuations have skyrocketed.  And they will not open their books to prove their right, just trust them.

If you are in any way blaming the players for being "spoiled" and "entitled", YOU are part of the problem.
 
2022-03-07 5:45:40 PM  
That's quite alright.  I have three different minor league affiliates within an hour's drive.  Two AA and one AAA.

Plus it's a lot cheaper which is a bonus
 
2022-03-07 6:08:51 PM  

UNC_Samurai: From the beginning, this has been about the owners' greed and their desire to break the players' union.  They have negotiated in bad faith since day 1, and they have not put a single CBA proposal on the table that isn't an attempt to screw the players.  The owners like being able to make ridiculous profits while not caring if their franchises field competitive teams.  They have pulled every trick in the boom to keep wages down, while their franchise valuations have skyrocketed.  And they will not open their books to prove their right, just trust them.

If you are in any way blaming the players for being "spoiled" and "entitled", YOU are part of the problem.


This.  "Day 1" of course being the day in 1975 when the reserve clause was struck down and players "won" the right to not be owned by their employers.  In regards to those closed books, the financials of the (World Champion) Atlanta Braves' financials had to be released for some reason and based off of that, the players got something like 30-35% of what the team brought in.  In the NFL and NBA whose financials are much more open the players get something like 50%

Oh yeah, and while this is all happening we need to be shouting from the hilltops that those 30 owners have a completely unique and weird federal anti-trust exemption granted to them by congress because reasons.
 
2022-03-07 6:15:07 PM  
No, no, no, subby. The players are rich, but the owners are WEALTHY. Bunch of wealthy dudes don't want us to watch Major League Baseball.
 
2022-03-07 6:39:03 PM  
Unlock the doors and see what happens. THEN you can blame the players.
 
2022-03-07 8:10:00 PM  

tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.



Refuse to work?  They were locked out.
 
2022-03-08 8:18:15 AM  

The Bestest: adammpower: Lifelong baseball fan.

checking out i think.  The Steroid era and no leadership on how to deal with it. The Astro's cheating scandal and no leadership on how to deal with it. the absurd pandemic season in 2020.  the 4 finger walk, advertising stuck on every squire inch of everything, the DH in the NL, the runner on 2nd to start extra innings...

Baseball is supposed to be hard.  They're turning this into a beer league.

i have better things to do than watch this nonsense.

I can't take anyone born after 1965 that complains about the DH seriously.


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Anyone who likes the designated hitter is just wrong.
 
2022-03-08 1:22:43 PM  

tobcc: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: JessieL: nmrsnr: tudorgurl: We've got teachers with master's degrees making less than $50k a year being abused by parents and lawmakers and threatened with lawsuits and firings for trying to educate kids while these whiny biatches who work half a year make millions and refuse to work and we feel so sorry for them.

How freaking American.

Yes, because we all know the money should really go to the billionaire owners. They're really why we watch baseball, to give the owners more money.

I'd be pretty happy if they just paid to build their own stadiums, paid all the regular staff a living wage, etc.

Dunno about MLB, but the last time the Pittsburgh Steelers needed a new NFL stadium, Mr. Rooney (Steelers' Owner) *tried* to build the new stadium on his own dime.

He got shot down by the city.  If they had let him build the stadium himself - selecting and procuring the site, hiring the architect, approving the design, vetting, hiring, and paying the contractors, handling the concession contracts, etc. - he would have been making all those decisions himself.

Not the city.

Which means they couldn't build any bribery or graft into the new stadium and funnel the money into their own pockets.

I'm betting the city got full support from the league on this, too, since the NFL could in no way allow a precedent like that to get onto the books.

In Kansas City the owners cant get a brand new Downtown Stadium, yea Kaughman is old and kinda out in the middle of nowhere, but the fans LOVE it.   Its easy to get to, loads of parking, great for tailgating.   So instead we are getting a new Airport that no one wants other than politicians and the heavy constructors.   Life Life, Graft always finds a way.


In all fairness, that airport is a dump and needs to be replaced anyway.
 
2022-03-08 9:47:18 PM  
Anyone who likes the designated hitter is just wrong.

100% wrong.
 
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