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(WAAY TV)   Alabama city has discovered an easy way to increase revenue. Use a 3rd party app for people to pay for parking meters, ticket the cars that paid anyway, then hope those ticketed are too busy working to challenge the $10 fine   (waaytv.com) divider line
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2022-02-22 7:30:21 PM  
We've covered the fact that if you're in Alabama, you're shiat out of luck. The epilogue to this story will likely include a chain gang membership...
 
2022-02-22 8:33:44 PM  
Smart hicks figure out how to fool dumb hicks. Film at 11.
 
2022-02-22 9:08:59 PM  
Alabama: Not even once.
 
2022-02-22 10:05:56 PM  
As this is in Huntsville, I'm familiar with these parking meters and the app. Personally, I have never used the app as it's got too many failure points. Putting change into a parking meter, using a parking kiosk that prints out a ticket for your dash, and/or parking in a garage for a fee remains simpler and makes way more sense. The more complex the system is, like this app, the greater availability of "undocumented features."
 
2022-02-22 10:05:59 PM  
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2022-02-22 10:10:27 PM  
"A lot of people cannot take off of work to fight the ticket. They usually just pay."
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2022-02-22 10:11:09 PM  
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2022-02-22 10:13:31 PM  
I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.
 
2022-02-22 10:15:14 PM  

beezeltown: We've covered the fact that if you're in Alabama, you're shiat out of luck. The epilogue to this story will likely include a chain gang membership...


But it's Huntsville. Which is like not being in Alabama, while in Alabama.
 
2022-02-22 10:15:47 PM  
Avoidance of this kind of stuff is one of the many benefits of owning a phone that doesn't do "apps".
 
2022-02-22 10:18:16 PM  
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2022-02-22 10:19:18 PM  
Good do it. Fight that shiat on principle alone.

7 years After moving from Texas I received two unpaid parking tickets from Dallas. One I just trashed cuz I was doing delivery job at the time and the other I also ignored. The city of Dallas still wanted their 40 bucks so I said that doesn't seem right or make sense why I would have ever parked there and they said ok.
 
2022-02-22 10:23:56 PM  
It's a spammer tactic, just like with red light cameras. Just send out a billion fines. If even a fraction of those people say "fark it" and just pay it, they're banking big time.
 
2022-02-22 10:27:22 PM  

Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.


Why did you keep paying the meter? $5 for parking is a good price
 
2022-02-22 10:28:46 PM  

emonk: Avoidance of this kind of stuff is one of the many benefits of owning a phone that doesn't do "apps".


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2022-02-22 10:32:06 PM  

AirForceVet: As this is in Huntsville, I'm familiar with these parking meters and the app. Personally, I have never used the app as it's got too many failure points. Putting change into a parking meter, using a parking kiosk that prints out a ticket for your dash, and/or parking in a garage for a fee remains simpler and makes way more sense. The more complex the system is, like this app, the greater availability of "undocumented features."


Huntsville needs a visit from Cool Hand Luke and his pipe cutter.

Alternatively, if the meters take coins, there's expanding foam. They're electronic, so a stun gun might take care of the electronics.

The meters here in Bloomington can read credit cards, but if the city starts abusing the citizens, those meters won't work for very long. Expensive, repeated repairs or replacement until the city council gets the hint.

Wouldn't be that hard to hide what you're doing. A battery belt to charge some capacitors. A fake credit card with foil strips on each side, and wires down the sleeve to the capacitors. Swipe the card, a big ol' spark, and that's it for the chips.
 
2022-02-22 10:41:17 PM  

indy_kid: AirForceVet: As this is in Huntsville, I'm familiar with these parking meters and the app. Personally, I have never used the app as it's got too many failure points. Putting change into a parking meter, using a parking kiosk that prints out a ticket for your dash, and/or parking in a garage for a fee remains simpler and makes way more sense. The more complex the system is, like this app, the greater availability of "undocumented features."

Huntsville needs a visit from Cool Hand Luke and his pipe cutter.

Alternatively, if the meters take coins, there's expanding foam. They're electronic, so a stun gun might take care of the electronics.

The meters here in Bloomington can read credit cards, but if the city starts abusing the citizens, those meters won't work for very long. Expensive, repeated repairs or replacement until the city council gets the hint.

Wouldn't be that hard to hide what you're doing. A battery belt to charge some capacitors. A fake credit card with foil strips on each side, and wires down the sleeve to the capacitors. Swipe the card, a big ol' spark, and that's it for the chips.


2. Go to jail
3. Profit!
 
2022-02-22 10:42:59 PM  
*points finger to head*

Can't pay parking tickets if the car is stolen.
 
BBH
2022-02-22 10:43:48 PM  
Just be happy they did not take a page out of Chicago's parking playbook. I think the expired meter fee is about $50 and if you contest it, you pay $50 in court fees, even if it is thrown out.

/Not sure of the amounts.
//Red light cameras work the same way in Chicago.
 
2022-02-22 10:46:22 PM  

emonk: Avoidance of this kind of stuff is one of the many benefits of owning a phone that doesn't do "apps".


You don't need a phone to use this "app", but that doesn't mean you can avoid the app.

My city uses the same system and you can also go to one of two Pay Stations on the block to pay with CC or cash.  You get a paper receipt but don't need to put it in your car.  There are no meters to feed.

The big problem was that both the app and the Pay Station boxes would upload their data in batches so if Parking Enforcement came around 5 min after you paid there was a good chance THEIR app didn't get the update in time so you got a ticket.

Took them about a year to get it working more in "Real Time".
 
2022-02-22 10:51:57 PM  

BBH: Just be happy they did not take a page out of Chicago's parking playbook. I think the expired meter fee is about $50 and if you contest it, you pay $50 in court fees, even if it is thrown


Chicago doesn't get anything from parking fees anymore since they leased the Rights to a Private Company for just over $1billion back in 2009. The lease is for 75 years.
Expired Meter fees are all they can collect on now.
 
2022-02-22 10:53:19 PM  
FTFA: "We're not making very much money off of $15 tickets," Bryant said.

BBWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

/sure you aren't
//maybe you are not, but someone is
///bank on it.... they have...
 
2022-02-22 10:58:17 PM  

chitownmike: Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.

Why did you keep paying the meter? $5 for parking is a good price


Well, I was going to classes at the time and I'd get there between 5 and 530, so I'd plunk a quarter or two in the meter which would easily get me to the 6 pm cutoff. After I biatched enough, my girlfriend made me get a monthly parking pass because I may have gotten a little obsessed over it and apparently I freaked out over it a little too often.
 
2022-02-22 11:15:24 PM  
Ah yes, scammer city tactics. Reminds me of this tiny little village near my hometown that ran a speed trap. Up to the village limits, speed limit was like 45 or 55. Hit the village limit, and it drops to like 25. But the sign was either conveniently behind unkempt bushes or so far beyond the start of the actual change that the village was racking up violations like crazy.

They knew it was a scam. They knew it was near impossible to see the lower speed limit sign. And yet it kept going for years. Hell it might even still be going.

Big time small town dicks.
 
2022-02-22 11:20:39 PM  

Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.


Mrs.Swimo and I have an account with TD Bank. TD Bank hits us with a false fee at least 4 times a year, which Mrs.S calls them out on. TD apologizes and fixes the account error every time. I wonder how many thousands of customers they successfully scam every year.
 
2022-02-22 11:32:48 PM  

paulleah: beezeltown: We've covered the fact that if you're in Alabama, you're shiat out of luck. The epilogue to this story will likely include a chain gang membership...

But it's Huntsville. Which is like not being in Alabama, while in Alabama.


People just say that because NASA's there.  Huntsville is still one of the most segregated cities in the US.
 
2022-02-22 11:40:09 PM  

Lifeless: paulleah: beezeltown: We've covered the fact that if you're in Alabama, you're shiat out of luck. The epilogue to this story will likely include a chain gang membership...

But it's Huntsville. Which is like not being in Alabama, while in Alabama.

People just say that because NASA's there.  Huntsville is still one of the most segregated cities in the US.


Having lived in Montgomery and Huntsville, I can assure you, Huntsville is like Berkeley compared to Prattville.
 
2022-02-22 11:40:24 PM  
I used Parking Kitty to park once downtown and I got a ticket anyway. I discovered that I got the ticket because the cop typed my license plate number wrong, so no valid parking came up. An simple enough mistake.

To fight the ticket, I had to pay a bond that, of course, was the same amount as my ticket. $65. Like many people, I couldn't afford the time to fight it in court, so I chose the option to waive my right to that appearance and to fight it on paper by issuing a rebuttal/affidavit. I sent in a copy of the ticket with the error highlighted as well a a a copy of my PK receipt showing I had a valid parking claim at the time the ticket was issued. About seven months later, I got a check back from the city, returning my "bond" and cancelling my ticket.

So, the city f*cked up, and to fix it, I had to lend them $65 for more than half a year.

What if I'd needed that money? What if I needed it for rent, or utilities? Or food? In the past few years, I've found myself on numerous occasions with less than $100 in funds. How are poor people supposed to survive? And again, I did nothing wrong.But I was the one who suffered for it.

Our system is a f*cking nightmare.
 
2022-02-22 11:45:41 PM  

emonk: Avoidance of this kind of stuff is one of the many benefits of owning a phone that doesn't do "apps".


Avoidance of all parking and moving violations is one of the many benefits of not owning a car.

Chudbait, luxardo!
 
2022-02-22 11:51:21 PM  

sinko swimo: Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.

Mrs.Swimo and I have an account with TD Bank. TD Bank hits us with a false fee at least 4 times a year, which Mrs.S calls them out on. TD apologizes and fixes the account error every time. I wonder how many thousands of customers they successfully scam every year.


Ah, the ol' Comcast routine!

I'm not here to judge, but if you know that they continually attempt to rip you off, why would you still use them?
 
2022-02-23 12:46:29 AM  
So there's two parts to this:

1) Alabama thinks they are heaven on earth. I call it Rural Oppositional Syndrome. So that's fine. They like who they are, they can wallow in it.

2) They want to export their stupidity, by force, this to the uncivilized (West Coast, North East) part of the world. They're angry about it. Yesterday Candace Owens wanted the US to invade Canada because Canada was arresting the leaders of the Truck Nut Revolution.

I'm a live and let live kind of guy, but the Bumpkins are on the march. Coitus that penguin.
 
2022-02-23 12:55:17 AM  

maram500: Ah yes, scammer city tactics. Reminds me of this tiny little village near my hometown that ran a speed trap. Up to the village limits, speed limit was like 45 or 55. Hit the village limit, and it drops to like 25. But the sign was either conveniently behind unkempt bushes or so far beyond the start of the actual change that the village was racking up violations like crazy.

They knew it was a scam. They knew it was near impossible to see the lower speed limit sign. And yet it kept going for years. Hell it might even still be going.

Big time small town dicks.


Sounds like Rapid City SD, there's a nice little section on St Patrick Street heading Westbound where it drops from 45 to 35, and the sign has been obscured by a tree for two decades. And there's always a cop waiting in the Humane Society parking lot right where the speed limit is reduced. I've known that the speed limit drops right there for years, quite a few people don't.

It's the same situation driving Southbound on US-85 going into the Spearfish, where it drops from 65 to 35 at the drop of a hat, and there's always an HP sitting on the highway waiting for people who fail to drop their speed, despite the fact that there's absolutely no buildings and almost no cross traffic in the area where it drops.

Hell, fifteen years ago a dime would get you sixty minutes of parking in downtown Rapid City. I put a dime in a meter three years ago and I got four minutes. I put a quarter in and I got ten minutes. A quarter used to get you all day parking. And of course the city is boasting about how the new meters are paying for themselves. Of course they are, because you're fleecing citizens who want to do business downtown. Now I just park a few blocks away, walk, and hope my vehicle isn't broken into or vandalized. Or I just don't go downtown.
 
2022-02-23 1:06:04 AM  

patcarew: So there's two parts to this:

1) Alabama thinks they are heaven on earth. I call it Rural Oppositional Syndrome. So that's fine. They like who they are, they can wallow in it.

2) They want to export their stupidity, by force, this to the uncivilized (West Coast, North East) part of the world. They're angry about it. Yesterday Candace Owens wanted the US to invade Canada because Canada was arresting the leaders of the Truck Nut Revolution.

I'm a live and let live kind of guy, but the Bumpkins are on the march. Coitus that penguin.


Huntsville isn't rural and it's not typical Alabama. They have the highest per capita number of PHDs in North America.

Now...10 miles either way and all bets are off
 
2022-02-23 2:13:15 AM  

sinko swimo: Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.

Mrs.Swimo and I have an account with TD Bank. TD Bank hits us with a false fee at least 4 times a year, which Mrs.S calls them out on. TD apologizes and fixes the account error every time. I wonder how many thousands of customers they successfully scam every year.


So why are you still banking with TD bank?!
 
2022-02-23 2:25:36 AM  
If they didn't do this they might have to make a rich person pay some taxes
 
2022-02-23 3:23:53 AM  

Spermbot: sinko swimo: Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.

Mrs.Swimo and I have an account with TD Bank. TD Bank hits us with a false fee at least 4 times a year, which Mrs.S calls them out on. TD apologizes and fixes the account error every time. I wonder how many thousands of customers they successfully scam every year.

So why are you still banking with TD bank?!


I'm wondering the same.  When BofA pulled that crap repeatedly many years ago, I closed my account and banked elsewhere.  There was a class action lawsuit over it.  BofA lost and everyone received a coupon good for discounted banking services.  The lawyers did well, though.

/BofA was applying the debits before the credits to generate more overdraft fees
 
2022-02-23 4:21:13 AM  
This is one of those rare cases I was there was a monopoly or small number of dominant parking apps world wide.

It sucks to go to a new city and find they they have their own which is confusing and doesn't work.
 
2022-02-23 6:38:28 AM  

AirForceVet: As this is in Huntsville, I'm familiar with these parking meters and the app. Personally, I have never used the app as it's got too many failure points. Putting change into a parking meter, using a parking kiosk that prints out a ticket for your dash, and/or parking in a garage for a fee remains simpler and makes way more sense. The more complex the system is, like this app, the greater availability of "undocumented features."


Never had to use the new meters yet. Usually I use a parking garage. Lately when I go downtown, it is to Mars Music Hall for a concert, and I Uber so I can drink a few beers. But I have zero faith in Tommy Battle's leadership as mayor when he and chief McMurray revealed themselves as "culture warriors", so I could see him looking past this "feature" because of extra revenue. Huntsville already pays police OT to run radar on one of their days off to get revenue in order to not raise taxes more to pay for the cost overruns on the new county jail construction fiasco. The first ticket pays the cops salary for the day and the rest is pure profit. A Huntsville police officer told me this.
 
2022-02-23 6:53:37 AM  

Cajnik: This is one of those rare cases I was there was a monopoly or small number of dominant parking apps world wide.

It sucks to go to a new city and find they they have their own which is confusing and doesn't work.


Yikes, it seems I was multitasking when I wrote this. Hope it somehow made sense
 
2022-02-23 7:21:24 AM  

Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.


My city STOLE MY CAR (towed it) over this. My house had a street where it was 15-minute parking from 8am until 3pm. I'd get off work at 2:30, drive home, and at 2:45 I was parking for my free 15 minutes and then at 3pm the limit was no longer in place. The school on the street was leaving little notes telling me that parking there was "dangerous for students!" A parked car? Dangerous? This wasn't a school for the blind - they weren't walking into it parked there. Anyways, I guess the feud escalated to where they called police and I told them that I get my 15 minutes within the limit and then it's free parking for all, unlimited time. THEY STOLE MY CAR.
 
2022-02-23 7:36:36 AM  

sinko swimo: Hey Nurse!: I used to park in Clayton (St Louis) several times a week for a few months. There's a courthouse there, so hundreds of people come in and out every day. I got a $5 fine for an expired meter. I paid it, even though I know I put enough money in to get me past 6 pm (parking was free after 6). And then it happened again. And again. And they knew what was happening, because on the third time I pulled a Karen on them and they immediately just stamped it and said no problem have a nice day. I started talking about the incident with people that worked in the area, and it's a well-known problem. That was back in the 90s. Don't know if that still happens today, but it was bullshiat.

Mrs.Swimo and I have an account with TD Bank. TD Bank hits us with a false fee at least 4 times a year, which Mrs.S calls them out on. TD apologizes and fixes the account error every time. I wonder how many thousands of customers they successfully scam every year.


Is this a super common thing these days? One of our credit cards perhaps once a year charges us interest on our balance, despite the balance being autopaid in full every month. A call to them has it quickly removed with an apology and a mumbled "Must be a computer error" excuse, but it invariably happens once a year, and has never happened on our other (different) card. We have often wondered if said "computer error" is more of a "Wonder how many people will just not notice this charge among others and we can pocket an extra few bucks, or how many people won't bother waiting on hold with customer service to get it reversed".
 
2022-02-23 8:14:47 AM  
Amateurs.  Wasting all that money on an app.

My city routinely uses street sweeping to make a clean sweep of everyone's wallets.

You know how they'll put up those paper signs saying "No parking this side after 8:00 am on X date" type stuff?

They simply wait to put them up until 8:30 or 9:00, after everyone has already left for or arrived at work, then ticket dozens of cars at once.  Can you prove the sign wasn't there when you arrived?  No, but it'd be pretty hard to miss fluttering sheets attached to every tree and street sign, & stuck into the verge ever 10 feet...
 
2022-02-23 8:38:58 AM  
Sounds like New Orleans. Their online parking ticket scheme is a giant racket.
 
2022-02-23 8:53:31 AM  

One Size Fits Some: emonk: Avoidance of this kind of stuff is one of the many benefits of owning a phone that doesn't do "apps".

Avoidance of all parking and moving violations is one of the many benefits of not owning a car.

Chudbait, luxardo!


The evolution of that two-word phrase has really bogged me down lately but today I have hope restored.
 
2022-02-23 8:59:25 AM  
"We're not making very much money off of $15 tickets," Bryant said.

That's the same reasoning scammers use to justify their $0.25 charge to millions of cards.  It's not much money at all! Why can't we do this?111?11  Who is going to spend a lot of money to stop us from taking such a paltry amount?
 
2022-02-23 9:08:24 AM  

PickleBarrel: "We're not making very much money off of $15 tickets," Bryant said.


They make it up in volume!
 
2022-02-23 9:25:23 AM  
Wow. I actually live in Huntsville and this has actually happened to my wife. She has a pending court date for it. Glad this article came out before her court date. Thanks, Fark!

Thing is, she didn't use the app to pay. She actually paid at the meter and she still got a ticket. Had the receipt with the time and everything sitting right on the dashboard in broad daylight. Still got a ticket.
 
2022-02-23 9:42:06 AM  

indy_kid: AirForceVet: As this is in Huntsville, I'm familiar with these parking meters and the app. Personally, I have never used the app as it's got too many failure points. Putting change into a parking meter, using a parking kiosk that prints out a ticket for your dash, and/or parking in a garage for a fee remains simpler and makes way more sense. The more complex the system is, like this app, the greater availability of "undocumented features."

Huntsville needs a visit from Cool Hand Luke and his pipe cutter.

Alternatively, if the meters take coins, there's expanding foam. They're electronic, so a stun gun might take care of the electronics.

The meters here in Bloomington can read credit cards, but if the city starts abusing the citizens, those meters won't work for very long. Expensive, repeated repairs or replacement until the city council gets the hint.

Wouldn't be that hard to hide what you're doing. A battery belt to charge some capacitors. A fake credit card with foil strips on each side, and wires down the sleeve to the capacitors. Swipe the card, a big ol' spark, and that's it for the chips.


And when you come to in jail, threaten to sue the city for their dangerously faulty parking meter.
 
2022-02-23 10:30:01 AM  
Until wrongful tickets actually cost the city nothing will be done.
 
2022-02-23 10:40:34 AM  

emonk: Avoidance of this kind of stuff is one of the many benefits of owning a phone that doesn't do "apps".


Thanks boomer
 
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