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(Jalopnik)   Guy who had numerous quality issues with his Tesla Model S trades it in for...wait for it...a Chrysler 300 V8   (jalopnik.com) divider line
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2022-02-16 7:15:56 AM  
Jalopnik with a negative story about Tesla?! How shocking. Let's see how many stinky Boomers pile into the thread without reading the article.
 
2022-02-16 7:23:34 AM  

Likwit: Jalopnik with a negative story about Tesla?! How shocking. Let's see how many stinky Boomers pile into the thread without reading the article.


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2022-02-16 7:24:56 AM  
The tone of that article reminds me of the histrionics on Fark whenever an Apple product is mentioned.
/I'm indifferent to Tesla
 
2022-02-16 7:30:49 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Likwit: Jalopnik with a negative story about Tesla?! How shocking. Let's see how many stinky Boomers pile into the thread without reading the article.

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Who said anything about Elon Musk?
 
2022-02-16 7:39:47 AM  
A Stellantis product!?! A STELLANTIS PRODUCT?!?

*goes to look up what the hell a Stellantis is*

I'm... outraged? Should I be outraged? I'm not sure here.


/Next car is definitely an EV.
//Driving this one till the wheels fall off
///I cannot afford a Tesla.
 
2022-02-16 7:51:18 AM  
He had problems with Tesla quality so he went with Chrysler?

That's like thinking it stinks living next to a sewage treatment facility, so you move next to a dump...
 
2022-02-16 7:53:42 AM  
Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.
 
2022-02-16 8:01:24 AM  

RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.


Elon Musk isn't the genius you think he is. His cars are the least efficient EVs out there and they're built like shiat. Stop defending him.
 
2022-02-16 8:04:20 AM  

Likwit: Jalopnik with a negative story about Tesla?! How shocking. Let's see how many stinky Boomers pile into the thread without reading the article.


The first farking paragraph....

And while Tesla has problems, the (unfortunate) reality is that the combination of the Supercharger network and the brand's batteries/range makes them some of the best EVs on the market.

Just pure hate out of those folks for Tesla.
 
2022-02-16 8:04:30 AM  

RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.


Throat gargle Tvsk's nuts much?
/i thought pleather was gone in the 70's
//don't worry that your windows won't close - feature not bug.
 
2022-02-16 8:07:40 AM  
(Tesla) have some quality issues that legacy automakers could never get away with nor be forgiven for.

He must have enjoyed those issues if he "upgraded" to a Chrysler.
 
2022-02-16 8:09:45 AM  

Kristoph57: A Stellantis product!?! A STELLANTIS PRODUCT?!?

*goes to look up what the hell a Stellantis is*

I'm... outraged? Should I be outraged? I'm not sure here.



Chrysler seems to change ownership every few years for some reason.
 
2022-02-16 8:11:39 AM  
This thread got dumber than I thought it would even quicker than I thought it would.

Valid Criticism™
 
2022-02-16 8:18:47 AM  

Charrington: RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.

Elon Musk isn't the genius you think he is. His cars are the least efficient EVs out there and they're built like shiat. Stop defending him.


Tesla looks nice, but they're priced out of the market for most people.  Even the entry model is at least as much as the superior ID4 or Mach-E.  Add in a stronger network of dealers for service (I have four ford dealers within 30 miles of my house) company financing, and quite frankly more usable vehicles, and there's little reason to bother with one.  Yeah, they have that "Apple" cache, but Apple earned that reputation by making quality products.  Tesla has made some very important strides in EV technology and in public perception, but they need to start thinking beyond the boutique of selling to tech professionals and college professors.
 
2022-02-16 8:21:56 AM  

Great_Milenko: Charrington: RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.

Elon Musk isn't the genius you think he is. His cars are the least efficient EVs out there and they're built like shiat. Stop defending him.

Tesla looks nice, but they're priced out of the market for most people.  Even the entry model is at least as much as the superior ID4 or Mach-E.  Add in a stronger network of dealers for service (I have four ford dealers within 30 miles of my house) company financing, and quite frankly more usable vehicles, and there's little reason to bother with one.  Yeah, they have that "Apple" cache, but Apple earned that reputation by making quality products.  Tesla has made some very important strides in EV technology and in public perception, but they need to ...


The iD4 is good, but there's nothing really superior about it. It's just a solid EV. Hell, if we're talking Model 3, Model Y, Mach-e, and iD4, the VW is probably the most average in the bunch.
 
2022-02-16 8:27:41 AM  

freakdiablo: He had problems with Tesla quality so he went with Chrysler?

That's like thinking it stinks living next to a sewage treatment facility, so you move next to a dump...


At least when a Chrysler breaks you can get it fixed quickly, and cheaply. Repairing a Tesla takes months and is expensive.
 
2022-02-16 8:33:25 AM  
Huh. He got a 300 instead? Does he know that BMW just released some real nice looking EV sedans? The i4 looks real nice.
 
2022-02-16 8:41:05 AM  
I bet the Boomers in here would be upset to know I took my girlfriend out to dinner last night in my EV and paid for both of our Nachos Bell Grande with crypto.
 
2022-02-16 8:42:33 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I bet the Boomers in here would be upset to know I took my girlfriend out to dinner last night in my EV and paid for both of our Nachos Bell Grande with crypto.


That actually sounds fun
 
2022-02-16 8:49:25 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: freakdiablo: He had problems with Tesla quality so he went with Chrysler?

That's like thinking it stinks living next to a sewage treatment facility, so you move next to a dump...

At least when a Chrysler breaks you can get it fixed quickly, and cheaply. Repairing a Tesla takes months and is expensive.


He did trade one set of problems for another set of problems.
But you're correct. Much cheaper and quicker to get the Chrysler back on the road when it breaks. And it will break.
 
2022-02-16 8:52:16 AM  
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Car or truck? Decisions - decisions!
(Both are EV)
 
2022-02-16 9:33:45 AM  
I've never driven a Tesla but FiatChrysler makes absolute shiat cars.  I've rented almost their entire lineup (I drive a lot for work) and they're farking awful.  The Nissan Versa with no cruise control I was stuck with once is still better than any of the Fiat brand lineup.
 
2022-02-16 9:34:13 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I bet the Boomers in here would be upset to know I took my girlfriend out to dinner last night in my EV and paid for both of our Nachos Bell Grande with crypto.


How do I know you are not a good gambler.
 
2022-02-16 9:38:48 AM  

Likwit: Great_Milenko: Charrington: RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.

Elon Musk isn't the genius you think he is. His cars are the least efficient EVs out there and they're built like shiat. Stop defending him.

Tesla looks nice, but they're priced out of the market for most people.  Even the entry model is at least as much as the superior ID4 or Mach-E.  Add in a stronger network of dealers for service (I have four ford dealers within 30 miles of my house) company financing, and quite frankly more usable vehicles, and there's little reason to bother with one.  Yeah, they have that "Apple" cache, but Apple earned that reputation by making quality products.  Tesla has made some very important strides in EV technology and in public perception, but they need to ...

The iD4 is good, but there's nothing really superior about it. It's just a solid EV. Hell, if we're talking Model 3, Model Y, Mach-e, and iD4, the VW is probably the most average in the bunch.


The ID.4 is the only one of them without a frunk as well, which is a bit of a bummer since the Mach-E has a frunk you can fill with ice and use for tailgating.

On the flip side the ID.4 is the only one that has a sunshade for the panoramic glass roof, which is something my wife likes about it. The other nice thing is that it generally is a pretty normal vehicle with only a few weird things like the lack of dedicated controls for the rear windows.

The Ioniq 5 and EV6 are the ones that really look nice to me. I really want to check them out.
 
2022-02-16 9:42:13 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I bet the Boomers in here would be upset to know I took my girlfriend out to dinner last night in my EV and paid for both of our Nachos Bell Grande with crypto.


So cashing in your free $15 of BTC from Coinbase?
 
2022-02-16 9:47:06 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Likwit: Great_Milenko: Charrington: RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.

Elon Musk isn't the genius you think he is. His cars are the least efficient EVs out there and they're built like shiat. Stop defending him.

Tesla looks nice, but they're priced out of the market for most people.  Even the entry model is at least as much as the superior ID4 or Mach-E.  Add in a stronger network of dealers for service (I have four ford dealers within 30 miles of my house) company financing, and quite frankly more usable vehicles, and there's little reason to bother with one.  Yeah, they have that "Apple" cache, but Apple earned that reputation by making quality products.  Tesla has made some very important strides in EV technology and in public perception, but they need to ...

The iD4 is good, but there's nothing really superior about it. It's just a solid EV. Hell, if we're talking Model 3, Model Y, Mach-e, and iD4, the VW is probably the most average in the bunch.

The ID.4 is the only one of them without a frunk as well, which is a bit of a bummer since the Mach-E has a frunk you can fill with ice and use for tailgating.

On the flip side the ID.4 is the only one that has a sunshade for the panoramic glass roof, which is something my wife likes about it. The other nice thing is that it generally is a pretty normal vehicle with only a few weird things like the lack of dedicated controls for the rear windows.

The Ioniq 5 and EV6 are the ones that really look nice to me. I really want to check them out.


Ioniq 5 is depressingly inefficient when compared to the EV6. Rumor has it they use entirely different battery chemistries, which is weird because they're supposed to be the same car. Unfortunately, Korean cars may never come to Japan, so I'm out of luck on any of that affordable EV goodness :/

The concept EV9 Kia showed in LA made my pants tingly...
 
2022-02-16 9:59:40 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Likwit: Jalopnik with a negative story about Tesla?! How shocking. Let's see how many stinky Boomers pile into the thread without reading the article.

[Fark user image image 640x347]


All the people that were called nerds in the 90's are now called 'CEO' and 'Your Boss'. GET BACK TO WORK JOCK!
 
2022-02-16 10:12:06 AM  
What a mid-80s Yugo wasn't readily available?
 
2022-02-16 10:24:01 AM  
Just jumping in to say Teslas look as dull & boring as any other sedan out there (and even worse on the inside) and paying $90k for one is utter madness.

Plus as the article notes, touch-screen-everything would drive me f*cking crazy as well.
 
2022-02-16 10:26:59 AM  
Weird statistics, polling vs reality:

Only one percent of EV owners would go back to ICE.

18% of EV owners switch back to ICE, although most of them do so because of a lack of a good charging setup at home.  If you live in a condo, townhouse or apartment, charging is a problem.

I really hate touch screens, because they don't work for me unless I wear special gloves.  But when we buy an EV it will be my wife's vehicle.  She wants adaptive cruise control and collision-avoiding automatic braking, FSD can go bite itself.
 
2022-02-16 10:49:44 AM  
Nothing wrong with a Chrysler, as long as you replace all the sensors every 25,000 miles / 3 years, and all the electrical equipment including the window motors and cooling fans every 50,000 miles / 5 years.
 
2022-02-16 10:51:17 AM  

DecemberNitro: Just jumping in to say Teslas look as dull & boring as any other sedan out there (and even worse on the inside) and paying $90k for one is utter madness.

Plus as the article notes, touch-screen-everything would drive me f*cking crazy as well.


The paint job is utter crap too, and the QC on the fit and finish is... interesting.
 
2022-02-16 10:54:13 AM  

oldfarthenry: [Fark user image 467x262]
Car or truck? Decisions - decisions!
(Both are EV)



For me, make that truck four wheel drive and I would snap it up in a heartbeat. It would be perfect for light to medium loads around the homestead.
 
2022-02-16 11:21:44 AM  

natazha: 18% of EV owners switch back to ICE, although most of them do so because of a lack of a good charging setup at home.  If you live in a condo, townhouse or apartment, charging is a problem.


You're not wrong in that charging is an issue for a variety of potential customers.  I just find it weird that someone buying an EV wouldn't have made sure they had accessible charging before they bought the car.
 
2022-02-16 11:36:30 AM  

RobotSpider: Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for.


No, that's what PPAP is for. Automakers that have been around the block don't source parts from 'untested' manufacturers.
 
2022-02-16 11:45:20 AM  

Caelistis: oldfarthenry: [Fark user image 467x262]
Car or truck? Decisions - decisions!
(Both are EV)


For me, make that truck four wheel drive and I would snap it up in a heartbeat. It would be perfect for light to medium loads around the homestead.


That's my thinking, too. I LOVE that it's tiny, an EV & retro.
 
2022-02-16 12:04:41 PM  
Ok, "no engine sounds"?
That's kinda lame if you buy an electric

The rest, yeah, good reasons to ditch it

Especially the physical controls, I get anoyed enough with the push buttons in my gen 3 Prius, physical knobs are better
 
2022-02-16 12:09:11 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Likwit: Great_Milenko: Charrington: RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.

Elon Musk isn't the genius you think he is. His cars are the least efficient EVs out there and they're built like shiat. Stop defending him.

Tesla looks nice, but they're priced out of the market for most people.  Even the entry model is at least as much as the superior ID4 or Mach-E.  Add in a stronger network of dealers for service (I have four ford dealers within 30 miles of my house) company financing, and quite frankly more usable vehicles, and there's little reason to bother with one.  Yeah, they have that "Apple" cache, but Apple earned that reputation by making quality products.  Tesla has made some very important strides in EV technology and in public perception, but they need to ...

The iD4 is good, but there's nothing really superior about it. It's just a solid EV. Hell, if we're talking Model 3, Model Y, Mach-e, and iD4, the VW is probably the most average in the bunch.

The ID.4 is the only one of them without a frunk as well, which is a bit of a bummer since the Mach-E has a frunk you can fill with ice and use for tailgating.

On the flip side the ID.4 is the only one that has a sunshade for the panoramic glass roof, which is something my wife likes about it. The other nice thing is that it generally is a pretty normal vehicle with only a few weird things like the lack of dedicated controls for the rear windows.

The Ioniq 5 and EV6 are the ones that really look nice to me. I really want to check them out.


"Frunk"?

*twitch*
*twitch*

It's a farking trunk
 
2022-02-16 12:22:09 PM  

RobotSpider: One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds


You can upgrade the horn. Hella super tones from Amazon are good.
 
2022-02-16 1:06:09 PM  

oldfarthenry: [Fark user image image 467x262]
Car or truck? Decisions - decisions!
(Both are EV)


Disney (and 'Mater) should sue.
 
2022-02-16 1:07:50 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Likwit: Great_Milenko: Charrington: RobotSpider: Body panel spacing and an LED screen that (somehow) degrades in quality when left in a car 24/7? Oh, the humanity! His "legitimate" complaints are no different than someone who buys the first generation of any 'redesign model year' of any car.

I just bought a 2022 model of a car that I has a 2015 model of. One of my "complaints" is the horn is anemic and high-pitched. The previous one was bi-tone and noticeable. I don't use the horn much, but the first time I used the new one, I could barely hear it on the road at highway speeds. Interior accent lighting used to be stronger hues. Now they're just washed out pastel color options. I don't care for some of the design choices. To be fair, I don't know if body panel spacing is different because it's body panel spacing. I still love driving the car because it's fun to drive and with upgraded brakes, it stops on a dime, which is also pretty useful.

Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for. This isn't really about EV vs ICE. This guy just bought an EV when he wanted a big road humper. And that's fine. He just made a bad call and he's trying to back-fill his justification.

Elon Musk isn't the genius you think he is. His cars are the least efficient EVs out there and they're built like shiat. Stop defending him.

Tesla looks nice, but they're priced out of the market for most people.  Even the entry model is at least as much as the superior ID4 or Mach-E.  Add in a stronger network of dealers for service (I have four ford dealers within 30 miles of my house) company financing, and quite frankly more usable vehicles, and there's little reason to bother with one.  Yeah, they have that "Apple" cache, but Apple earned that reputation by making quality products.  Tesla has made some very important strides in EV technology and in public perception, but they need to ...

The iD4 is good, but there's nothing really superior about it. It's just a solid EV. Hell, if we're talking Model 3, Model Y, Mach-e, and iD4, the VW is probably the most average in the bunch.

The ID.4 is the only one of them without a frunk as well, which is a bit of a bummer since the Mach-E has a frunk you can fill with ice and use for tailgating.

On the flip side the ID.4 is the only one that has a sunshade for the panoramic glass roof, which is something my wife likes about it. The other nice thing is that it generally is a pretty normal vehicle with only a few weird things like the lack of dedicated controls for the rear windows.

The Ioniq 5 and EV6 are the ones that really look nice to me. I really want to check them out.


People love saying the portmanteau 'frunk'.

Sets my teeth on edge.
 
2022-02-16 1:10:11 PM  

Great_Milenko: Kristoph57: A Stellantis product!?! A STELLANTIS PRODUCT?!?

*goes to look up what the hell a Stellantis is*

I'm... outraged? Should I be outraged? I'm not sure here.


Chrysler seems to change ownership every few years for some reason.


Gee I wonder why...
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2022-02-16 1:11:54 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Rapmaster2000: I bet the Boomers in here would be upset to know I took my girlfriend out to dinner last night in my EV and paid for both of our Nachos Bell Grande with crypto.

So cashing in your free $15 of BTC from Coinbase?


Or Let's Go Brandon bucks.
 
2022-02-16 1:14:51 PM  

DecemberNitro: Just jumping in to say Teslas look as dull & boring as any other sedan out there (and even worse on the inside) and paying $90k for one is utter madness.

Plus as the article notes, touch-screen-everything would drive me f*cking crazy as well.


"We're not going to have a grille, but we're going to leave a stupid, shallow, grille shaped depression there instead."

O_o
 
2022-02-16 1:18:53 PM  

ChiliBoots: RobotSpider: Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for.

No, that's what PPAP is for. Automakers that have been around the block don't source parts from 'untested' manufacturers.


Lol. May you be haunted by the ghosts of those murdered by their faulty Cobalt ignition switches (GM changed to a pennies-cheaper component AND NEVER REVISED THEIR DRAWING AND SPECS).
 
2022-02-16 1:41:56 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: ChiliBoots: RobotSpider: Car companies make design/supply mistakes all the time. Maybe a display was sourced from an untested manufacturer so it didn't live up to its MTBF specs. That's what recalls are for.

No, that's what PPAP is for. Automakers that have been around the block don't source parts from 'untested' manufacturers.

Lol. May you be haunted by the ghosts of those murdered by their faulty Cobalt ignition switches (GM changed to a pennies-cheaper component AND NEVER REVISED THEIR DRAWING AND SPECS).


Yeah, I've been burned by suppliers changing out components on a whim. Thankfully, I don't work in automotive development anymore and I don't have to hunt down things like intermittent actuator motor failures because someone decided to not bother grinding the radius profile in a motor brush. Thankfully we caught out the supplier who did that before anything got out the door.

Big organizations occasionally do stupid switcharoos to save a buck, your example being a good example. Having recalls to catch process failures is not an invitation to forgo the process from the start.
 
2022-02-16 2:43:34 PM  
Why not Zoidberg?
 
2022-02-16 4:06:51 PM  
So he's basically admitting he's a drug dealer.

\only street level dealers drive 300's
\\they do drop them and put on 20's anyway
\\\from what I've seen anyway
 
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