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(PC Magazine)   Vertical integration strikes again, as Samsung's Galaxy S22 outruns all other Android phones but places a distant second to the brand that rolls its own CPUs instead of using Snapdragon   (pcmag.com) divider line
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2022-02-12 5:53:22 AM  
Yeah.....only idiots think the benchmarks for a phone actually matter at this point. 99.999% of people use them exclusively for internet and video browsing
 
2022-02-12 7:21:10 AM  
That's great and all but the battery still only lasts so long.
 
2022-02-12 7:51:48 AM  

lifeslammer: Yeah.....only idiots think the benchmarks for a phone actually matter at this point. 99.999% of people use them exclusively for internet and video browsing


That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile, and that thing needs 8gb RAM to run, and iPhone has issues with it and a vastly smaller userbase. According to MS/Blizzard (re: ALeaks) Diablo: Immortal has a damn good chance of being mobile exclusive to Android with the takeover, as well.

...I think you might be out of the loop...
 
2022-02-12 8:09:38 AM  

Jedekai: lifeslammer: Yeah.....only idiots think the benchmarks for a phone actually matter at this point. 99.999% of people use them exclusively for internet and video browsing

That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile, and that thing needs 8gb RAM to run, and iPhone has issues with it and a vastly smaller userbase. According to MS/Blizzard (re: ALeaks) Diablo: Immortal has a damn good chance of being mobile exclusive to Android with the takeover, as well.

...I think you might be out of the loop...


No. I don't think he is. You really think people playing farking video games on their phones care about the specs? Lmfao.
 
2022-02-12 8:24:13 AM  
Too bad it runs Samsung's farked up version of Android. I'll be sticking with vanilla Android until there's a good reason to change.
 
2022-02-12 8:37:48 AM  

Jedekai: That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile


1 million users out of 5 billion devices is actually 0.0002%.  So half of them are getting terrible performance.
 
2022-02-12 8:42:34 AM  
How did they run PCMark work on IOS when it's only for Android?  While the graphic on top shows both phones running PC Mark, the tests below it only show Android phone results.
 
2022-02-12 8:45:04 AM  
Oh, nevermind.  I'm a dumbass and didn't realize the top two phones compared were both Android.  Lack of coffee... yes, that's my excuse.
 
2022-02-12 8:48:30 AM  
As someone that has a brand new Galaxy S20 FE 5G -- it's been out of the box less than a month -- actually using the phone for just the Internet is not a fantastic experience. It works, yes. But browsing the web is all herky jerky. Keep in mind this phone started out in the 700.00 price range, and really isn't that old.

However, if I USB tether the phone to my PC, my Internet is snappy enough that I'm quite happy.

Given that it is the same Internet either way, it can only be the phone that it is the herky jerky part of my equation here.

/And I paid about 100.00 too much for the phone. It pisses me off because it was on sale less than a month after I got it.
 
2022-02-12 8:55:59 AM  
Still better than anything with iOS on it, and that's all that matters.
 
2022-02-12 8:58:23 AM  

BunkyBrewman: How did they run PCMark work on IOS when it's only for Android?  While the graphic on top shows both phones running PC Mark, the tests below it only show Android phone results.


Apples and oranges?
 
2022-02-12 9:03:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: BunkyBrewman: How did they run PCMark work on IOS when it's only for Android?  While the graphic on top shows both phones running PC Mark, the tests below it only show Android phone results.

Apples and oranges?


No, I didn't see that they were both Android phones in the top picture.

But when I run Geekbench 5 for my Max 13, I'm getting a score much higher than PCMag's results.

Theirs: 4647
Mine: 4935
 
2022-02-12 9:08:49 AM  
Still, you will have to pry my cell from my cold dead hands.

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2022-02-12 9:16:53 AM  
Samsung makes their own CPUs too.  They just aren't/can't be sold in the US.
 
2022-02-12 9:23:39 AM  
Will it run Crysis on max?

/not buying an apple yo
 
2022-02-12 9:28:56 AM  
I use my phone for calls, texting, occasionally taking pictures, Android Auto, and being tracked by the CIA and NSA. People who feel the need to have the most current device and want a computer in their pocket confused me.
 
2022-02-12 9:41:03 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Jedekai: That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile

1 million users out of 5 billion devices is actually 0.0002%.  So half of them are getting terrible performance.


There are still more people using blackberry.
 
2022-02-12 10:16:30 AM  
It's second to the Pixel 6?  But it can't be given the android part of the equation.
 
2022-02-12 10:22:40 AM  
I'm not running any quantum computing on my phone handheld device (let's be real, my pocket clock and fark app runny thingy), so I don't need to pay an extra €800 for clip art of an apple on it.

Still, I'm glad other people are willing to pay, to support the tech development. Eventually we'll want to be able to chat with people when we are vacationing on the orbiting space hotel.
 
2022-02-12 10:22:56 AM  

Jedekai: lifeslammer: Yeah.....only idiots think the benchmarks for a phone actually matter at this point. 99.999% of people use them exclusively for internet and video browsing

That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile, and that thing needs 8gb RAM to run, and iPhone has issues with it and a vastly smaller userbase. According to MS/Blizzard (re: ALeaks) Diablo: Immortal has a damn good chance of being mobile exclusive to Android with the takeover, as well.

...I think you might be out of the loop...


The phone is the new desktop computer for many folks.  Lower income folks will almost necessarily have a better phone than you would think, if it is their primary computing device.
 
2022-02-12 10:33:47 AM  
I'm curious what this discussion would be like if the results were reversed...

/relax, it's just a cellular telephone
 
2022-02-12 10:57:45 AM  

transporter_ii: As someone that has a brand new Galaxy S20 FE 5G -- it's been out of the box less than a month -- actually using the phone for just the Internet is not a fantastic experience. It works, yes. But browsing the web is all herky jerky. Keep in mind this phone started out in the 700.00 price range, and really isn't that old.

However, if I USB tether the phone to my PC, my Internet is snappy enough that I'm quite happy.

Given that it is the same Internet either way, it can only be the phone that it is the herky jerky part of my equation here.

/And I paid about 100.00 too much for the phone. It pisses me off because it was on sale less than a month after I got it.


Is the PC using wifi as well or is it Ethernet to your broadband router?

Reason I ask is because I get vastly different behavior due to the absolutely terrible wifi environment I currently live in (townhouses, and the neighbors are idiots about IOT devices).

Have similar opinion of the pricing behavior of Samsung...  "Fan Edition" not so much, more like "Fan Eliminator".
 
2022-02-12 11:23:04 AM  
The perfect encapsulation of runaway consumerism and the sheep mentality of too many Americans is the fact that people actually go on boards and argue over what farking phone they use. You know what? No one gives a fark. Use whatever is good for you and is within your budget and shut up about it. Because all you do is make the manufacturers really happy that you're stupid enough to envy somebody else's phone. You have $150 phone that gets you on the internet lets you make calls send text and take pictures? Awesome glad it makes you happy. You want to spend $3,000 on a phone because you have $3,000 that you think you can spend on a phone? Knock yourself out. Just shut up about it.
 
2022-02-12 11:30:40 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Still, you will have to pry my cell from my cold dead hands.

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Those ni-cads been dead longer than dude.
 
2022-02-12 11:31:51 AM  

cocozilla: The perfect encapsulation of runaway consumerism and the sheep mentality of too many Americans is the fact that people actually go on boards and argue over what farking phone they use. You know what? No one gives a fark. Use whatever is good for you and is within your budget and shut up about it. Because all you do is make the manufacturers really happy that you're stupid enough to envy somebody else's phone. You have $150 phone that gets you on the internet lets you make calls send text and take pictures? Awesome glad it makes you happy. You want to spend $3,000 on a phone because you have $3,000 that you think you can spend on a phone? Knock yourself out. Just shut up about it.


Badge value and latent tribalism.

Fan bois & grrls do the same thing on everything they own/do.  Cars, TVs, devices, What college they went to, PCs, Wine, Scotch, where they vacation, Beer, sportsball teams...

The rest of us would prefer they just shut up and actually do something.  Go be proud of that, and show off by not talking about it to anyone.
 
2022-02-12 11:50:59 AM  

MadHatter500: cocozilla: The perfect encapsulation of runaway consumerism and the sheep mentality of too many Americans is the fact that people actually go on boards and argue over what farking phone they use. You know what? No one gives a fark. Use whatever is good for you and is within your budget and shut up about it. Because all you do is make the manufacturers really happy that you're stupid enough to envy somebody else's phone. You have $150 phone that gets you on the internet lets you make calls send text and take pictures? Awesome glad it makes you happy. You want to spend $3,000 on a phone because you have $3,000 that you think you can spend on a phone? Knock yourself out. Just shut up about it.

Badge value and latent tribalism.

Fan bois & grrls do the same thing on everything they own/do.  Cars, TVs, devices, What college they went to, PCs, Wine, Scotch, where they vacation, Beer, sportsball teams...

The rest of us would prefer they just shut up and actually do something.  Go be proud of that, and show off by not talking about it to anyone.


You see YouTube videos and articles all the time telling you how your 1-year-old OLED or micro LED TV is already out of date and you need to buy another one! It's utter bullshiat. There's one YouTuber who constantly is telling us all the time in his reviews about how great this new Sony TV is or how great this new projection is and this is the TV to have and if you have one that's even a year or two old it's already out of date because you need XYZ. It's utter stupidity. Not to mention the fact that all these smart TVs are giant information vampires. I always tell people the very first thing they should do is brick those farkers up and if they want the extra channels use a Roku which at least gives you more privacy then your Samsung TV that quite literally actively listens to you.

The first thing I did when I replaced my TV was to make sure it was not connected to the internet. And I made sure I bought one that didn't need to be for any reason. I don't want pop-up ads and Samsung reporting my viewing habits and selling it.
 
2022-02-12 12:28:58 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Still better than anything with iOS on it, and that's all that matters.


Neither beats Linux.

But getting Linux on a phone and playing catch up is the challenge
 
2022-02-12 12:30:40 PM  

DON.MAC: Marcus Aurelius: Jedekai: That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile

1 million users out of 5 billion devices is actually 0.0002%.  So half of them are getting terrible performance.

There are still more people using blackberry.


80% of the smartphones in the world run android
 
2022-02-12 12:32:02 PM  

covalesj: Jedekai: lifeslammer: Yeah.....only idiots think the benchmarks for a phone actually matter at this point. 99.999% of people use them exclusively for internet and video browsing

That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile, and that thing needs 8gb RAM to run, and iPhone has issues with it and a vastly smaller userbase. According to MS/Blizzard (re: ALeaks) Diablo: Immortal has a damn good chance of being mobile exclusive to Android with the takeover, as well.

...I think you might be out of the loop...

The phone is the new desktop computer for many folks.  Lower income folks will almost necessarily have a better phone than you would think, if it is their primary computing device.


Which blows my mind.

No smartphone in existance can even compete with my desktop.
 
2022-02-12 12:34:02 PM  

MadHatter500: transporter_ii: As someone that has a brand new Galaxy S20 FE 5G -- it's been out of the box less than a month -- actually using the phone for just the Internet is not a fantastic experience. It works, yes. But browsing the web is all herky jerky. Keep in mind this phone started out in the 700.00 price range, and really isn't that old.

However, if I USB tether the phone to my PC, my Internet is snappy enough that I'm quite happy.

Given that it is the same Internet either way, it can only be the phone that it is the herky jerky part of my equation here.

/And I paid about 100.00 too much for the phone. It pisses me off because it was on sale less than a month after I got it.

Is the PC using wifi as well or is it Ethernet to your broadband router?

Reason I ask is because I get vastly different behavior due to the absolutely terrible wifi environment I currently live in (townhouses, and the neighbors are idiots about IOT devices).

Have similar opinion of the pricing behavior of Samsung...  "Fan Edition" not so much, more like "Fan Eliminator".


Fiber > copper > wifi > cellular > dialup

Always has been
Always will
 
2022-02-12 12:45:07 PM  
I don't know nothin' about nothin'. I can say that my Pixel 6 Pro runs ridiculously fast. So fast that I'm not concerned that it's in 3rd or 4th or 5th place or wherever it is. This thing is just fun to use. Awesome screen. And the camera is just gorgeous. But I guess I should feel bad because it's in 6th or 7th or 8th place or wherever it is.
 
2022-02-12 12:53:00 PM  

covalesj: The phone is the new desktop computer for many folks. Lower income folks will almost necessarily have a better phone than you would think, if it is their primary computing device.


At a combined price point half of what the samsung in TFA goes for they'd probably still be better of with a cheap phone and a real laptop/desktop though.

It goes for €849, I could buy a serviceable laptop and a €200 phone for that. And have money left to feed me for a month.
 
2022-02-12 12:53:05 PM  
MadHatter500:
Reason I ask is because I get vastly different behavior due to the absolutely terrible wifi environment I currently live in (townhouses, and the neighbors are idiots about IOT devices).

You know how some Wifi guides recommend using only certain channels that don't interfere with one another?
Try going the other way: use the ones in-between. Sure it raises the noise floor for everyone, but now you won't be jockeying for a time-slice on the popular channels.
 
2022-02-12 1:06:02 PM  

Drearyx: Jedekai: lifeslammer: Yeah.....only idiots think the benchmarks for a phone actually matter at this point. 99.999% of people use them exclusively for internet and video browsing

That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile, and that thing needs 8gb RAM to run, and iPhone has issues with it and a vastly smaller userbase. According to MS/Blizzard (re: ALeaks) Diablo: Immortal has a damn good chance of being mobile exclusive to Android with the takeover, as well.

...I think you might be out of the loop...

No. I don't think he is. You really think people playing farking video games on their phones care about the specs? Lmfao.


I mean, I certainly do. I game a lot on my phone due to a job with a LOT of downtime. Black Desert Mobile, Marvel: Future Revolution, and Dragonball Legends are my staples, all games that are fully 3D and in the ballpark of console games in regards to complexity and graphics. So having a phone that can handle them at high frame rates without melting is a big deal.

Not all smartphone games are Candy Crush and Angry Birds. Black Desert Mobile for example is a full MMO and a nearly identical recreation of the PC/Console game with only a few minor concessions to take advantage of the mobile environment. Having more power is just as important as it is to any console or PC gamer.
 
2022-02-12 1:32:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Jedekai: That .0001% must be buying a lot of high-end devices, because Genshin Impact has over 1m users on mobile

1 million users out of 5 billion devices is actually 0.0002%.  So half of them are getting terrible performance.


Just to be that guy...
.02%
 
2022-02-12 2:37:59 PM  

DerAppie: covalesj: The phone is the new desktop computer for many folks. Lower income folks will almost necessarily have a better phone than you would think, if it is their primary computing device.

At a combined price point half of what the samsung in TFA goes for they'd probably still be better of with a cheap phone and a real laptop/desktop though.

It goes for €849, I could buy a serviceable laptop and a €200 phone for that. And have money left to feed me for a month.


What do people need laptops for?
The world is rapidly if not already mobile first.
If you say "for work" then let work provide the laptop.
 
2022-02-12 2:52:32 PM  

americanflannel: DerAppie: covalesj: The phone is the new desktop computer for many folks. Lower income folks will almost necessarily have a better phone than you would think, if it is their primary computing device.

At a combined price point half of what the samsung in TFA goes for they'd probably still be better of with a cheap phone and a real laptop/desktop though.

It goes for €849, I could buy a serviceable laptop and a €200 phone for that. And have money left to feed me for a month.

What do people need laptops for?
The world is rapidly if not already mobile first.
If you say "for work" then let work provide the laptop.


Because a proper screen with a proper mouse and a proper keyboard still beats mobile input and output.
 
2022-02-12 2:59:22 PM  

Sasquach: I'm curious what this discussion would be like if the results were reversed...

/relax, it's just a cellular telephone


We already know. Back when the top Android phones were usually faster than the top iPhones, these people would crow endlessly about it, and post every test and benchmark they could find, because it was the only thing that mattered. Once the iPhones started winning most of the time, they decided they didn't like tests and didn't believe benchmarks, and the raw speed of the CPU was not important.

So, the usual paid shills and brainwashed losers.
 
2022-02-12 3:49:49 PM  
Lol, is subby serious?

Samsung is the most vertically integrated company in the world.

Aside from that my Samsung (S10e) has a Samsung CPU (Exynos), which was not only designed by Samsung, but was also actually manufactured by Samsung, who also probably dug up the raw materials, and transported them on a Samsung made ship. Yet it was slightly slower than the Snapdragon of its time.

It's not really the vertical integration, or even the software. It's just that Apple makes huge fat expensive chips for their devices.

The A15 has 15 billions transistors on TSMC 5nm.

The Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 has 10 billion transistors on Samsung 4nm.

According to Apple, "the A15 in the iPhones is 50% faster than the competition."

The bigger your chip, the lower the yield and price grows exponentially.

Intel deployed the same strategy with Sandy Bridge, it was a HUGE chip and a HUGE increase in performance. Then when AMD crumbled they systematically proceeded to shrink the chip size with every following gen (and their manufacturing costs) as fast as they could and only bumping performance JUST enough to justify a new product.

If Snapdragon and Samsung cracked out an equally large chip it would perform the same, but why bother? Are consumers actually asking for more processor performance on their phones like they were desktops? Would a faster processor improve the mobile experience?

I'm still on an S10e (now three years old) and have yet to hit a scenario where a faster processor would improve my experience. If anything I'm actually considering downgrading my phone CPU to buy an Ulefone Power Armor 13 for that gigantic battery. My purchasing decisions are function with modern phones, not unusable raw performance.
 
2022-02-12 3:52:09 PM  
bingethinker:So, the usual paid shills

Have you any proof that anyone here has ever been paid to not like Apple's offerings? Is it so far out of the realm of possibilities that people might just not enjoy their overpriced garbage?

Seek help. That much devotion to a corporation isn't healthy.
 
2022-02-12 5:10:29 PM  

NuclearPenguins: bingethinker:So, the usual paid shills

Have you any proof that anyone here has ever been paid to not like Apple's offerings? Is it so far out of the realm of possibilities that people might just not enjoy their overpriced garbage?

Seek help. That much devotion to a corporation isn't healthy.


You're commenting on an article about devices more expensive than iPhones, silly guy.

Do you actually like anything, or do you just like spraying toxic nonsense all over Fark threads?
 
2022-02-12 5:50:56 PM  
Not sure why they chose to compare the S22 against the $1100 iPhone Pro Max when the $700 iPhone 13 mini uses the same A15 chip at the same clock speed.
 
2022-02-12 6:11:32 PM  
I could get away with a Samsung A series phone. They perform quite well for their price point however the A series cameras are garbage.

My Huawei P30 pro can still keep up with the iPhone 12 pro in the photography department. Yes I have to edit my pics to get what the iPhone 12 pro can do on it's own. Dunno if it can run with the iPhone 13 though.

/I want a Xiaomi Mi 11 ultra.
 
2022-02-12 6:21:04 PM  

Siskabush: I could get away with a Samsung A series phone. They perform quite well for their price point however the A series cameras are garbage.

My Huawei P30 pro can still keep up with the iPhone 12 pro in the photography department. Yes I have to edit my pics to get what the iPhone 12 pro can do on it's own. Dunno if it can run with the iPhone 13 though.

/I want a Xiaomi Mi 11 ultra.


I wish either brand worked in America. Or, alternatively, I wish any brand that worked in America could compete
 
2022-02-12 6:52:59 PM  
Not all ARM based chips are equal. You can license some core design and simply add a few bits of your own IP to it and call it a day, or you can get an architectural license and roll your own that merely complies with various ARM ISAs. Very few companies have the cash and the architectural knowhow to roll a fully custom ARM core, but those who do, like Apple, reap significant rewards.
 
2022-02-12 7:06:20 PM  
That's nice, but are you going to get more than three years of security patches for it?
 
2022-02-12 8:42:24 PM  

lifeslammer: Yeah.....only idiots think the benchmarks for a phone actually matter at this point. 99.999% of people use them exclusively for internet and video browsing


The performance metrics are really about how the phone runs today, but rather are a good way of figuring out how usable that $1000 phone will be in five years. If the phone isn't competitive today, it'll run like dogshiat in a couple of years.
 
2022-02-12 8:50:11 PM  

pheelix: Not sure why they chose to compare the S22 against the $1100 iPhone Pro Max when the $700 iPhone 13 mini uses the same A15 chip at the same clock speed.


The iPhone 13 Pro Max has 6GB of RAM while the regular 13 has only 4GB, so it is a more of an apples to Apples comparison with the Pro Max and the S22 Ultra.
 
2022-02-12 9:24:00 PM  
I was a Google mobile phone brand customer since 2013, until last month.

I had to update the OS for my Pixel 4a for work reasons. After the update, the phone bricked itself.

At the Google store in Manhattan, the techs said that if it was a software issue they would replace the phone free of charge. if it was hardware, then I was SOL.

the techs could not confirm if it was software or hardware, and so I was also SOL. I wasn't expecting a full credit at that point, but they wouldn't give me anything towards the purchase of a new device.

Hey Google, thanks for making me feel like a complete chump for buying your mobile phones for 9 years. For now I have a Samsung A32 that I bought in desperation.
 
2022-02-12 9:48:06 PM  

MechaPyx: That's great and all but the battery still only lasts so long.


I got so sick of buying Samsung phones for an inflated price and having to constantly keep recharging them, especially when I really don't need the speed (or a top-of-the-range camera).  Ended up with my latest phone getting one a third of the price (Oppo A52) and I charge it once every 2-3 days.
 
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