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2022-02-11 4:56:27 AM  
This is going to be about New South Wales ALP, isn't it?

reads TFA.

Yep, I'm a Labor voter and former ALP party member, I was a member of my state's State Council back in the days I worked as a union official and my boss sent me along as one of our union's representatives. I'm so glad not to be in NSW though. NSW Labor is machine politics, very much out of the mold of traditional Chicago Democrat politics. The emphasis on fundraising and not caring too much where the money has come from has bitten them on the arse more times than I care to remember, and they never farking learn.

Graham Richardon's influence on the party over the years has been toxic. He's entirely to blame for both Sam Dastyari and Eddie Obeid, the latter is now in prison for his antics. "Richo" did some important work as a minister in the Hawke and Keating governments thirty years ago, but his behind the scenes work has perpetuated an awful culure within the party organisation.
 
2022-02-11 7:36:17 AM  
Lions for Lambs was not a great movie, but Tom Cruise was great in it.

The scene with him and Glenn Close shows what they do all day... raise money. They don't work for us, they work for donors money.

That has to end if we have any chance at all.
 
2022-02-11 8:49:17 AM  
I'm working on my tax forms, and the election fund box is checked.  But even if everyone checked it, not enough. Publicly funded elections would be better for democracy than even a gerrymandering ban or ranked choice voting.

/but I want all 3
 
2022-02-11 8:56:05 AM  

Aussie_As: This is going to be about New South Wales ALP, isn't it?

reads TFA.

Yep, I'm a Labor voter and former ALP party member, I was a member of my state's State Council back in the days I worked as a union official and my boss sent me along as one of our union's representatives. I'm so glad not to be in NSW though. NSW Labor is machine politics, very much out of the mold of traditional Chicago Democrat politics. The emphasis on fundraising and not caring too much where the money has come from has bitten them on the arse more times than I care to remember, and they never farking learn.

Graham Richardon's influence on the party over the years has been toxic. He's entirely to blame for both Sam Dastyari and Eddie Obeid, the latter is now in prison for his antics. "Richo" did some important work as a minister in the Hawke and Keating governments thirty years ago, but his behind the scenes work has perpetuated an awful culure within the party organisation.


What's ultimately behind it all?
I get that there's an embedded culture that simply perpetuates in a mindless sort of way but that's a lazy answer. There's got to be more to the resistance to reform. The best I can guess is that there's a certain self-satisfied sanctimony that comes with not being those idiots of the other side. "Yeah, we're not perfect but at least we aren't allied with Tony Abbott, or Pauline Hanson".
 
2022-02-11 8:56:29 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Lions for Lambs was not a great movie, but Tom Cruise was great in it.

The scene with him and Glenn Close shows what they do all day... raise money. They don't work for us, they work for donors money.

That has to end if we have any chance at all.


It's the history of the world, and hasn't changed in a couple of million years. Not sure it'll change any time soon.
 
2022-02-11 8:57:23 AM  

wademh: get that there's an embedded culture that simply perpetuates in a mindless sort of way but that's a lazy answer.


Never underestimate the part that laziness plays in resisting change.
 
2022-02-11 9:00:22 AM  

flypusher713: I'm working on my tax forms, and the election fund box is checked.  But even if everyone checked it, not enough. Publicly funded elections would be better for democracy than even a gerrymandering ban or ranked choice voting.

/but I want all 3


As this article is about Australia, it might be worth asking how expensive running for office should be, and why is it so expensive in the US. It was buying TV ads. I wonder if they even matter.
 
2022-02-11 9:03:28 AM  
Independent, nonpartisan commissions that run elections on behalf of the electorate is standard operating procedure almost universally among modern democracies -- it's common sense.

Whatever any one party wants to say about the rules once implemented, the rules apply to everyone once established.
 
2022-02-11 9:05:03 AM  
Publicly funded campaigns may reduce the impact of outside funding, but outside funding will inevitably play a large role if the people with money want it badly enough.
 
2022-02-11 9:09:53 AM  

wademh: What's ultimately behind it all?
I get that there's an embedded culture that simply perpetuates in a mindless sort of way but that's a lazy answer. There's got to be more to the resistance to reform. The best I can guess is that there's a certain self-satisfied sanctimony that comes with not being those idiots of the other side. "Yeah, we're not perfect but at least we aren't allied with Tony Abbott, or Pauline Hanson".


Kit Fister's answer above has a lot going for it, it''s an embedded culture of power for power's sake as much as anything else. They think they're the best people to have the power (compared to left-wing Labor types or conservative types) and fhey fight hard and dirty for it.

There are multiple factions vying for control or influence in the NSW ALP branch, and the characters I'm biatching about were all associated with the Right faction which isn't right-wing in the conventional sense but it's on the right of a collectivist Labor party, much like a Tony Blair or a Bill Clinton in an ideological sense. They came out of the catholic anti-communist labour movements of the cold war era. Because they're in factional fighting as much as fighting the conservative forces they have to battle to both the left and right, and they develop a very tribal attitude about their politics as a result.

The farked up things about NSW such as the enormous suburban clubs which suck millions of dollars up into 'one-armed bandit' gaming machines out of the community, various hideous property developments, a long history of police corruption etc have all been made much worse by characters from the NSW Right faction of the ALP.
 
2022-02-11 10:02:25 AM  
Electioneering is an industry.  If you want to change it, be prepared to fight it as such.

The industry matured along with television, ever since Kennedy "won" the debate against Nixon.  As television revenues increased, so did the need for money to put out political ads (not necessarily re-election campaign ads), polling to see which messaging works, specialized consultants to advise elected officials, lobbyists, etc., etc.

If you want campaign finance reform and political donation reform be prepared for a fight a campaign.  How long did the oil industry fight to keep lead in gas?  What did they and the coal mining industry do to muddle the science for global warming?   How hard did the tobacco industry fight to keep reports linking smoking to cancer buried?
 
2022-02-11 11:40:43 AM  

wademh: Aussie_As: This is going to be about New South Wales ALP, isn't it?

reads TFA.

Yep, I'm a Labor voter and former ALP party member, I was a member of my state's State Council back in the days I worked as a union official and my boss sent me along as one of our union's representatives. I'm so glad not to be in NSW though. NSW Labor is machine politics, very much out of the mold of traditional Chicago Democrat politics. The emphasis on fundraising and not caring too much where the money has come from has bitten them on the arse more times than I care to remember, and they never farking learn.

Graham Richardon's influence on the party over the years has been toxic. He's entirely to blame for both Sam Dastyari and Eddie Obeid, the latter is now in prison for his antics. "Richo" did some important work as a minister in the Hawke and Keating governments thirty years ago, but his behind the scenes work has perpetuated an awful culure within the party organisation.

What's ultimately behind it all?
I get that there's an embedded culture that simply perpetuates in a mindless sort of way but that's a lazy answer. There's got to be more to the resistance to reform. The best I can guess is that there's a certain self-satisfied sanctimony that comes with not being those idiots of the other side. "Yeah, we're not perfect but at least we aren't allied with Tony Abbott, or Pauline Hanson".


It was a weird time in history to start a country, and a rather ad hoc approach to the founding of cultural cornerstones (the original police force being famously made of the 10 most honest convicts is a facile example, but not not-pertinent).

The empire died and power shifted down a few rungs.
The common mob rose up to the challenge.
So it ends up being a sissy slap fight between the major factions.

Old ones like the church, the Church, The Church, and THE Church.
With the other godbotherers having an increasing presence in recent years.

The Union, CMFEW or whatever they are called. You're either with them or you can get farked.
If you go against them it will be with a stick.

Um... Oh there's Clive.
He found a rock in the desert bthat gave him the power of diabetes.
He's doing a dollar store trump impression if you can picture what that would entail.

And all backed up with the crushing pressure of mum&dadaustralia (all one word).

I don't follow local politics though, so I don't know specifically what's happening in Australia.
 
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