Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Week)   Turns out that both sides ARE bad   (theweek.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, existing subscriber, email address, Week magazine, assistance, articles, further information, loyal fans ofThe Week  
•       •       •

5182 clicks; posted to Politics » on 05 Feb 2022 at 9:20 AM (20 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



154 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2022-02-05 7:43:20 AM  
Only one side is actively trying to overthrow US democracy and install a fascist and racist theocracy.

But, no, the other side is just as bad because they do not want their money to fund certain podcasts.
 
2022-02-05 7:48:53 AM  
Saving democracy in America requires not only voting consistently for Democrats but also supporting their entire policy agenda and never criticizing the party or its leadership, including the president. To do otherwise is to will an authoritarian future.

No Asshat, it doesn't mean this strawman you constructed, it just means, that in order to save democracy you should vote for Democrats, not, you will vote for authoritarians if democrats don't stop being democrats.

Paying a little more in taxes shouldn't be balanced on one side with--dictatorship but less taxes on the other.

And If CRT is making you vote for authoritarians, then guess what, you were always a bigoted fascist in the first place.
 
2022-02-05 8:17:41 AM  
Yammer all you want but I'll never see the good side of rape, racism, or insurrection.
 
2022-02-05 8:31:47 AM  
When confronted with a side that conspires to overthrow the government, looks aside at police deciding that they can kill citizens with impunity, and threatens the lives of millions with their coddling of adults who don' wanna get a shot, and some rules lawyering on Committees, you'll forgive me if I want to address the sedition, murder, and pandemic for profit first.

Now is NOT the time for this. It really isn't. It's not high minded. It's f*cking suicidal for our democracy. Maybe you should stop listening to the folks who have their feet firmly in both camps to try to get a financial agenda set that favors a permanent underclass, and go with your gut.
 
2022-02-05 9:21:37 AM  
I hope the author, Damon Linkler, catches Covid and a loved one dies of Covid. Then I hope he is beaten up by conservatives so he knows what the hell kind of drivel he's talking about.

Spineless cowards like this little piece of whiney excrement want to break bread with people who want to destroy the country and kill him personally. He cannot be naive enough to not understand this, so he's basically a modern day Kapo who thinks that if he genuflects enough, and if he eats enough conservative ass, that he won't be sent to the gas chambers himself.
 
2022-02-05 9:23:23 AM  
Fark user imageView Full Size


DNRTFA
 
2022-02-05 9:23:54 AM  
Tried to read a poorly written opinion and decided it was garbage.
 
2022-02-05 9:26:23 AM  
One party of full of racists and literally no official agenda other than sticking it to the other party and complaining about mythical problems like mail in voting and CRT

One party is full of ideologies and an agenda that will actually help all of us... even billionaires.


So yeah...
 
2022-02-05 9:26:34 AM  
It's not news, its garbage.
 
2022-02-05 9:28:52 AM  
No. When one side is (literal) Nazis who want to exterminate teh gheys, minorities, et al., you cannot use BSAB without being an a$$hole who supports extermination.
 
2022-02-05 9:28:54 AM  
fark off.
 
2022-02-05 9:28:55 AM  
If both sides are bad, but one side is Nazis, I'm gonna back the not-Nazis.
 
2022-02-05 9:29:37 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I hope the author, Damon Linkler, catches Covid and a loved one dies of Covid. Then I hope he is beaten up by conservatives so he knows what the hell kind of drivel he's talking about.

Spineless cowards like this little piece of whiney excrement want to break bread with people who want to destroy the country and kill him personally. He cannot be naive enough to not understand this, so he's basically a modern day Kapo who thinks that if he genuflects enough, and if he eats enough conservative ass, that he won't be sent to the gas chambers himself.


There are plenty of media that are desperate to be SOOPER FAIR, and thus devote a lot of time and energy into legitimizing the false narratives that Bullsh*t Mountain drops down like dust and gravel, so as to be 'fair.' And legitimizing bulls*t, and propaganda at the very best, doesn't absolve them of the halfassery of the last decade of trying to convince investors that they'll turn those Fox News watchers around to their side. Any. Day. Now.

Repeating a lie, and not exposing the lie, and then investigating the correction and its motives by someone else is just as dangerous as the lies themselves. And the press has been bending over backwards to try to woo folks who have zero interest in the truth or facts doesn't work. They're gone. They might get over it in a while, but right now, they are mired deep in Bullsh*t Mountain, and maybe it's time to just admit that they're f*cking gone.
 
2022-02-05 9:29:58 AM  
Article wasn't as dumb as subby's headline suggested but it was a whole bunch of words to say basically nothing while name checking the NY Times arguably worst columnist.
 
2022-02-05 9:31:43 AM  
No dummy, people get annoyed when you use the Both Sides are Bad argument with a skewed perception.   Much like their assertion that JFK was just as bad as Hitler, since JFK was a womanizer and Hitler only had two girlfriends and never fooled around.
 
2022-02-05 9:32:58 AM  
Fark user imageView Full Size


The iFunny tag really makes this meme perfect for this idiotic essay.
 
2022-02-05 9:33:09 AM  

edmo: Yammer all you want but I'll never see the good side of rape, racism, or insurrection.


My name is Colonel Beauregard Snarcolepson the Third, Yankee. I have a great deal of declarin' to do about this very topic.
 
2022-02-05 9:35:30 AM  
both sides in our politics have a point - or a specific blind spot.

Spite and evangelism isn't a point.  Equating capitalism with racism and fascism isn't a point.
 
2022-02-05 9:35:37 AM  
Looking over this guys previous columns shows he is a prime example of how political pundits have become the great failure of modern journalism. Pundits see their job as the ability to question people's assumptions. But they often instead are just lying to people in the interest of being contrarian. Saying Republicans believe in Democracy because Trump claimed he legitimately won the election instead of saying elections don't matter is dishonest. It ignore that Trump tried to overthrow the election and that Republicans are actively suppressing voting and setting up rules to allow them to ignore democratically determined elections. But it's questioning obvious conclusions so what a smart guy this farking moron must think he is.
 
2022-02-05 9:36:27 AM  
the democratic party isn't perfect but given our current 2 party system its the best choice and has been for a looooong time
 
2022-02-05 9:36:43 AM  
You know what? He's been an opinion journoalist for eight years and this is the best he can do? Then he's been an opinion journalist for seven years too long given the first year was a kind of tryout period.
I can't stand professionals who level everything to some kind of intellectual equivilancy inside their heads.
Especially when only " one side" is doing it. It's the worst kind of journalism in my book.
 
2022-02-05 9:36:51 AM  
Yet denunciation - the rhetorical equivalent of jumping up and down, pointing and shouting, "Oh my God, this is dangerous and evil!" - isn't the only worthwhile response to a grave threat. On the contrary, it's exceedingly important to do more than that, to seek understanding beyond moral rebuke.

The thing is, we already understand the Nazis. They're not that complicated.
 
2022-02-05 9:37:25 AM  
Absolutely true. Also true: one side is FAR worse.
 
2022-02-05 9:37:59 AM  
I assume Cilizza must have been on vacation this week.
 
2022-02-05 9:39:18 AM  
What the fark is this intellectual masturbation all about?

Is he arguing that Republicans don't really support authoritarianism and truly believe the election was stolen, therefore we should not consider them a threat to democracy?

Is that his point?

This author just wants to congratulate himself on his own "open mindedness" and "critical thinking" which is shorthand for "contrarian know-nothingism".

We have empirical evidence that conservatives think differently.  They're wired biologically for fear and that lends itself to authoritarian solutions.  They consistently align with decisions that support the creation of authoritarian powers consolidated in the Presidency ONLY when a Republican is in charge.  They seek to rig elections and cry "rigged" when they lose.

An example: https://morningconsult.com/2021/06/28/global-right-wing-authoritarian-test/

This assumption that the objection to 2020's results is all about preservation of democratic principles is one of the least founded luke warm takes on the topic to date.

And to assign liberals guilt for supporting things like Roe and desegregation of schools despite alleged "democratic" resistance is probably the height of pseudo-intellectual philosophical blindness.  It smacks of "so much for the tolerant left".

This is concern trolling for clicks, I would guess.  Or else a natural tendency to overcomplicate concepts abd dress up the resulting theoretical jibberish with verbal flourish.
 
2022-02-05 9:40:12 AM  
You got the fascist conservatives, the neo liberals which are fascist, then you got the democratic socialists.  Don't confuse the neo liberals with the democratic socialists.  The "both sides are bad" you're referring to are the fascist conservatives and the neo liberals.  Once you have a conceptual framework for where most of this corruption is coming from it is then less "both sides are bad" and more, one side is bad and the other side having been infiltrated with fascism.
 
2022-02-05 9:40:38 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: You know what? He's been an opinion journoalist for eight years and this is the best he can do? Then he's been an opinion journalist for seven years too long given the first year was a kind of tryout period.
I can't stand professionals who level everything to some kind of intellectual equivilancy inside their heads.
Especially when only " one side" is doing it. It's the worst kind of journalism in my book.


Honestly this article reads like pretentious self-fellatio.

"I'm so smart *slurp* oh my words are so big *gurgle* I'm so much wiser than everyone *gag* oooohh."
 
2022-02-05 9:42:54 AM  
"In a similar way, Aristotle described the distinctive outlook of the political philosopher as that of an umpire - a judge who aspires to stand outside of and somewhat above the political fray, judging the participants as fairly as possible, and ultimately striving to further the common good and achieve conciliation at the level of the polity as a whole."

No one can fully divorce themselves from their own internal biases, no matter how many pretty words you use. This is just a post-hoc rationalization so we feel better about ourselves and our opinions. Once we can recognize our own biases and preferences, we can work to reinforce or change them...but this whole idea of someone being able to be above the fray is ludicrous.

By all means, try to examine politics critically, but don't fool yourself into being some absolute arbiter of truth and knowledge. Don't even get me started on the god complex a lot of judges have in this regard...
 
2022-02-05 9:46:12 AM  
FARK THAT.  "Both-sidism" has become a delusional disorder of the mind. Those afflicted are compelled to
-draw equivalencies that have no basis in reality
-prioritize spurious "balance" over empirical data, logic, reason, and facts

Both sides are no tthe same. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 

Fark user imageView Full Size

VERSUS THIS
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-02-05 9:47:06 AM  
Hang on, isn't this the guy who wrote that book that suggested that atheists and theists were working together to destroy America? And that the only compromise was Libertarianism? Which he effectively described as a Cult to the Constitution?
 
2022-02-05 9:47:20 AM  
"If ever there was a moment when drawing hard distinctions and rendering severe moral judgments would seem to be necessary, it's now.
Yet the opposite may in fact be true. Maybe the present - more than other, less rancorous moments - cries out for greater efforts at understanding "both sides.""

F you, Neville and your attempts at appeasement. Nazis always March forward if nobody stops them. I grew up on the wrong end of Nazi ideology. I was beaten up on the school bus, my mailbox smashed, my own family telling me I was not a real family member, all because my mom had a Jewish maiden name.

I was told to ingnore the bullies, try to understand the people who were punching me in the mouth and you know what? They didn't stop until I moved away and I will gladly grab my gun and mow them down if it comes to that.

I do not kiss the fist that punches me in the mouth and truthfully, all of you still on the fence about this: HEED THE WARNING SIGNS.

The Republicans just openly declared their allegiance with fascism. They're trying to memory hole the attack on democracy. You'd better be prepared to fight like you've never fought before. If the ballot box doesn't work, you had better be prepared to fight literally.
 
2022-02-05 9:47:35 AM  
cdn.pastemagazine.comView Full Size
 
2022-02-05 9:48:29 AM  
LoL- imagine "both sides" is a dead clock, and while it's correct twice a day, some fools take this to mean that in reality, it's always the time of day that the clock shows - regardless of all other evidence, even other working clocks.
 
2022-02-05 9:49:04 AM  
I made it to where TFA said "it is nonetheless illuminating to be reminded that Trump's political rhetoric presumed the legitimacy of democracy" in defense of Trump and the Republican Party.

He did not win. He was therefore either lying or delusional. That seeming only leaves the questions of which kind of dangerous he is; and whether Republicans not actively seeking to mitigate the danger he presents and catalyzes are themselves presenting danger by lying, being delusional, or merely having depraved indifference.

Say what you want about the GOP, at least it has an ethos - but which?
 
2022-02-05 9:49:05 AM  
Fark user imageView Full Size


Again, fascism happens in increments.
 
2022-02-05 9:49:14 AM  
"Both" sides usually have some bad and some good. Everyone has a point.
 
2022-02-05 9:49:36 AM  
This doesn't mean embracing moral equivalency. I've probably devoted more of my writing to denouncing former President Donald Trump and his intellectual apologists than to any other single subject in my eight years as a columnist. I also sometimes sharply criticize so-called "woke" trends in the culture along with other forms of progressive overreach. But as I do, I try to make clear that the criticism doesn't imply the danger posed by "cancel culture" rivals the political threat of right-wing antiliberalism.

So, "both sides are bad, but their side is worse."

Not really helping there.
 
2022-02-05 9:50:34 AM  
Another OP-ed by another asseater.
 
2022-02-05 9:50:45 AM  
I'm guessing he wrote an article called "Trump called the press 'the enemy of the people,' but does he have a point?"

I checked out when he cited noted fair and balanced intellectual Ross Douthat.
 
2022-02-05 9:50:57 AM  
Remember there are people who exist in the Republican Party who will kill you if they get the chance. They tried on January 6th. They succeeded in killing one cop.
 
2022-02-05 9:52:33 AM  
Democrats should take the opportunity to frame universal healthcare as a national security / national defense issue. For one it is. We do need healthy recruits which is the basis for the argument. Both parties love giving money to defense. And if republicans attack the idea they look like they are undermining national defense.

A national framework for healthcare that is available along side private healthcare that provides basic healthcare to ensure healthy troops. the need for it was shown with the vaccine roll out. and a very recent real world example.

the nation we only see increasing threats like we have seen with COVID and if we have the system in place if attacked by a nation state / terrorists all the better
 
2022-02-05 9:52:54 AM  

Mouser: This doesn't mean embracing moral equivalency. I've probably devoted more of my writing to denouncing former President Donald Trump and his intellectual apologists than to any other single subject in my eight years as a columnist. I also sometimes sharply criticize so-called "woke" trends in the culture along with other forms of progressive overreach. But as I do, I try to make clear that the criticism doesn't imply the danger posed by "cancel culture" rivals the political threat of right-wing antiliberalism.

So, "both sides are bad, but their side is worse."

Not really helping there.


"Trying to violently overthrow the government when you lose an election is the exact same thing as hurting a racist's feelings by accurately labeling them as racist."

This is something someone just paid this window-licker to write...
 
2022-02-05 9:53:57 AM  

lordjupiter: What the fark is this intellectual masturbation all about?


"Democrats and the media like to claim that Republicans and Trump hate democracy, but that's wrong - they love their own version of democracy, which means un-writing election results they don't like. Also, here's a list of ways Democrats also hate democracy.

"I am a very smart person."

// he very seriously equated the decision in Roe v Wade (which cut against public opinion despite it being both a Constitution-based decision and the moral thing to do) to the GOP's attempted coup
 
2022-02-05 9:54:57 AM  

Astorix: "If ever there was a moment when drawing hard distinctions and rendering severe moral judgments would seem to be necessary, it's now.
Yet the opposite may in fact be true. Maybe the present - more than other, less rancorous moments - cries out for greater efforts at understanding "both sides.""

F you, Neville and your attempts at appeasement. Nazis always March forward if nobody stops them. I grew up on the wrong end of Nazi ideology. I was beaten up on the school bus, my mailbox smashed, my own family telling me I was not a real family member, all because my mom had a Jewish maiden name.

I was told to ingnore the bullies, try to understand the people who were punching me in the mouth and you know what? They didn't stop until I moved away and I will gladly grab my gun and mow them down if it comes to that.

I do not kiss the fist that punches me in the mouth and truthfully, all of you still on the fence about this: HEED THE WARNING SIGNS.

The Republicans just openly declared their allegiance with fascism. They're trying to memory hole the attack on democracy. You'd better be prepared to fight like you've never fought before. If the ballot box doesn't work, you had better be prepared to fight literally.


media3.giphy.comView Full Size
 
2022-02-05 9:55:14 AM  
Interesting.  So he's saying I should be nice to Nazis.

............
.......
No.
 
2022-02-05 9:55:48 AM  
Let's see. One party can only agree to bring a single ladder truck to an apartment fire, and one party is already moving on to setting another. Both hypotheticals in this post are bad, but if you think they're in the same solar system of bad, you probably wouldn't read this far anyway.
 
2022-02-05 9:55:59 AM  

The Homer Tax: Mouser: This doesn't mean embracing moral equivalency. I've probably devoted more of my writing to denouncing former President Donald Trump and his intellectual apologists than to any other single subject in my eight years as a columnist. I also sometimes sharply criticize so-called "woke" trends in the culture along with other forms of progressive overreach. But as I do, I try to make clear that the criticism doesn't imply the danger posed by "cancel culture" rivals the political threat of right-wing antiliberalism.

So, "both sides are bad, but their side is worse."

Not really helping there.

"Trying to violently overthrow the government when you lose an election is the exact same thing as hurting a racist's feelings by accurately labeling them as racist."

This is something someone just paid this window-licker to write...


What's worse, is that most of this piece is just a rework of a piece that ran on CNN only this week, albeit he opted for a larger vocabulary and more sophistry.
 
2022-02-05 9:56:01 AM  
I'm surprised this guy didn't throw our the usual Horseshoe Theory bullshait.
 
2022-02-05 9:56:30 AM  
The secret dream of every C-list pundit is to pen an article in which he or she name drops three well-respected intellects from history (it's required that at least one of them be from ancient Greece or Rome) and proceeds to place him or herself in their esteemed company as an intellectual equal.

They're normally not this stupid, though. This one is special in that regard.
 
2022-02-05 9:58:13 AM  
Both sides may be bad, but only one side is American.  Fark you, garbage-ass article-shiatter.
 
Displayed 50 of 154 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking




On Twitter


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.