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2022-02-03 2:48:03 PM  
Sure they do. Why wouldn't they?
 
2022-02-03 3:25:09 PM  
Would they understand their own impending demise?

My mom, with severe dementia, had no idea what was going on in her last months. She was usually confused. Everything was new to her over and over.  She was tired. She just wanted to sleep.

In her last hours, there was some clarity as she pulled us kids close, held our faces, and just stared at us. She knew at that moment if not before or after. She went back to sleep and was gone eight hours later.

That, on top of having had a number of pets pass on, makes me think animals just want to sleep at the end. I don't know if they understand what is coming.
 
2022-02-03 4:49:21 PM  
What does the word "understand" mean anyways? How can one stand under something to comprehend it?
 
2022-02-03 4:57:54 PM  
FTFA:
René Descartes was less generous: He believed that animals were just "mechanisms" or "automata," not much different than a complex cuckoo clock. "There is none that leads weak minds further from the straight path of virtue than that of imagining that the souls of beasts are of the same nature as our own," he wrote.

It's rational and a defensible position to assert that biological creatures are essentially automata - complex machines governed by physical laws, whose complex nanotech components interacting in complex ways create the behaviors we see. It's essentially a deterministic philosophical view, one I'd also agree with personally.

What's irrational, and not defensible, is drawing an arbitrary line between human and non-human biological life in this regard. THAT is pure hubris.
 
2022-02-03 5:25:08 PM  
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2022-02-03 5:33:55 PM  

Jake Havechek: Sure they do. Why wouldn't they?


Because some humans literally can't even.
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2022-02-03 5:41:58 PM  

mongbiohazard: FTFA:
René Descartes was less generous: He believed that animals were just "mechanisms" or "automata," not much different than a complex cuckoo clock. "There is none that leads weak minds further from the straight path of virtue than that of imagining that the souls of beasts are of the same nature as our own," he wrote.

It's rational and a defensible position to assert that biological creatures are essentially automata - complex machines governed by physical laws, whose complex nanotech components interacting in complex ways create the behaviors we see. It's essentially a deterministic philosophical view, one I'd also agree with personally.

What's irrational, and not defensible, is drawing an arbitrary line between human and non-human biological life in this regard. THAT is pure hubris.


Any sufficiently complex process is indistinguishable from intelligence.
 
2022-02-03 5:45:10 PM  
One of my cats had a heart attack at home. We tried to show his body to the other cats but they had no interest. They didn't seem to recognize the body as their friend. No closure there.
 
2022-02-03 5:51:55 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Any sufficiently complex process is indistinguishable from intelligence.


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REALLY?
 
2022-02-03 6:15:26 PM  

Jake Havechek: Sure they do. Why wouldn't they?


A ton of humans have a problem with the "irreversible" aspect.

A big reason we're into concepts about an afterlife/soul/reincarnation. We can't handle the truth that we won't be seeing that person anymore.
 
2022-02-03 6:57:53 PM  
Especially parents.

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2022-02-03 8:21:29 PM  
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2022-02-03 8:51:23 PM  
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They understand, they just don't care
 
2022-02-03 10:31:47 PM  
I'm really desperate to feel special, so I will explain away all the obvious signs that complex animals understand death by claiming it's "instinct." This means I have a soul and therefore I don't really die.
 
2022-02-04 12:00:52 AM  
I don't know if they comprehend death to the extent that humans do but I've seen evidence that suggests other animals understand loss. They grieve. They mourn.
 
2022-02-04 1:55:41 AM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: One of my cats had a heart attack at home. We tried to show his body to the other cats but they had no interest. They didn't seem to recognize the body as their friend. No closure there.


Cats understand death. Cats don't care.
 
2022-02-04 2:54:02 AM  

mongbiohazard: FTFA:
René Descartes was less generous: He believed that animals were just "mechanisms" or "automata," not much different than a complex cuckoo clock. "There is none that leads weak minds further from the straight path of virtue than that of imagining that the souls of beasts are of the same nature as our own," he wrote.

It's rational and a defensible position to assert that biological creatures are essentially automata - complex machines governed by physical laws, whose complex nanotech components interacting in complex ways create the behaviors we see. It's essentially a deterministic philosophical view, one I'd also agree with personally.

What's irrational, and not defensible, is drawing an arbitrary line between human and non-human biological life in this regard. THAT is pure hubris.


Yeah that guy is why i can't take most philosophers seriously. He sounds like your run-of-the-mill fart-sniffing asshole who contributes nothing but shiatty hot takes that people take seriously for some reason. And the whole "stray from the path of virtue" bit? Eat my ass Descartes, you pompous shiatstain. My cat probably has more soul than you do. I'd rather enjoy the company of various animals than endure your insufferable ass. At least, if you weren't already dead.
 
2022-02-04 9:27:29 AM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: Tyrone Slothrop: Any sufficiently complex process is indistinguishable from intelligence.

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REALLY?


No one says intelligence had to be smart.
 
2022-02-04 5:27:06 PM  

RedVentrue: Spawn_of_Cthulhu: One of my cats had a heart attack at home. We tried to show his body to the other cats but they had no interest. They didn't seem to recognize the body as their friend. No closure there.

Cats understand death. Cats don't care.


Predators understand death as an opportunity to eat.

I'd say their understanding is more central than ours
 
2022-02-04 9:35:47 PM  

Bonzo_1116: RedVentrue: Spawn_of_Cthulhu: One of my cats had a heart attack at home. We tried to show his body to the other cats but they had no interest. They didn't seem to recognize the body as their friend. No closure there.

Cats understand death. Cats don't care.

Predators understand death as an opportunity to eat.

I'd say their understanding is more central than ours


They don't get attached like communal animals do.
 
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