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2022-01-31 1:10:39 PM  
After many years of design and usability work, we've created The Web. It's not tbe best setup, but it lets us do stuff quickly that would normally require many more steps. Now we're supposed to use AR and VR to add more steps to what is a pretty simple process.
 
2022-01-31 1:18:15 PM  

Joe USer: After many years of design and usability work, we've created The Web. It's not tbe best setup, but it lets us do stuff quickly that would normally require many more steps. Now we're supposed to use AR and VR to add more steps to what is a pretty simple process.


With 20 year old graphics
 
2022-01-31 1:38:38 PM  
Fark Zuck.
I have a Rift and when I discovered I had to use FB for it to start working, I was pissed. (But now I know why.)
He's not sapping the last bit of privacy I have left, so fark him with a frozen dildo.
 
2022-01-31 1:41:15 PM  
It's almost as if they're trying to  hide being evil because it's bad for business.  Not enough to stop being evil, mind you, but hiding evil behind other offerings.
 
2022-01-31 1:43:03 PM  
Next up, virtual employees.  Instead of training your replacement, you get to create it.
 
2022-01-31 1:45:20 PM  

OdradekRex: Next up, virtual employees.  Instead of training your replacement, you get to create it.


My replacement is a card-playing robot.

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2022-01-31 1:45:28 PM  

fastfxr: Fark Zuck.
I have a Rift and when I discovered I had to use FB for it to start working, I was pissed. (But now I know why.)
He's not sapping the last bit of privacy I have left, so fark him with a frozen dildo.


I remember back in 2015/16, in the run up to the current phase of VR in the mainstream (HTC Vive and Oculus Rift), Palmer Luckey announced that Facebook was buying Oculus, but went on to say that they will be entirely independent, and it wont affect the VR experience.

I knew Palmer Luckey wasn't trustworthy, and that Facebook was definitely not trustworthy, so I just assumed at the time that it would be a year or two before Facebook came down and changed the brand name and forced people to use Facebook to use their VR headsets.  So I bought the HTC Vive instead.  When word came out that Facebook was required to use Oculus stuff, I breathed a sigh of relief for dodging that mess.  I deleted my Facebook years ago, I'm not about to get roped in again for some VR toy.
 
2022-01-31 2:12:37 PM  
Metaface has made stunning breakthrough's in avatar realism though!

They used to be stiff, stilted, and really kind of creepy uncanny valley.  The latest ones though (pictured below) exceed real life in every way!

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2022-01-31 2:17:40 PM  

Short Victoria's War: Metaface has made stunning breakthrough's in avatar realism though!

They used to be stiff, stilted, and really kind of creepy uncanny valley.  The latest ones though (pictured below) exceed real life in every way!

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shiat, which one is the soulless automation?
 
2022-01-31 2:23:27 PM  

Short Victoria's War: Metaface has made stunning breakthrough's in avatar realism though!

They used to be stiff, stilted, and really kind of creepy uncanny valley.  The latest ones though (pictured below) exceed real life in every way!

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Oh, so Virtua Zuckerberg gets legs? Are legs too good for the peons, Mark?
 
2022-01-31 2:37:50 PM  

Joe USer: After many years of design and usability work, we've created The Web. It's not tbe best setup, but it lets us do stuff quickly that would normally require many more steps. Now we're supposed to use AR and VR to add more steps to what is a pretty simple process.


Imagine Zuckerberg being in charge of the entire Web.  That is what he envisions for this new metaverse.

He is sorta like Bill Gates at Microsoft pivoting to the web back in 1996.

There is little chance he will succeed.  I envision his metaverse being filled with angry Trumpers waving confederate flags threatening to kill everyone.
 
2022-01-31 2:45:50 PM  
I've tried one of the major AR helmets and I was shocked by how bad it was. The N64 sprites floating in space in front of me, I reached out to touch them, but since they were always in front of my hand I had to sort of estimate where the helmet wanted me to think they were which turned out to be at least a couple feet in front of me, which meant I was sticking my hand out stabbing blindly with my finger to interact. Are they actually better yet?
 
2022-01-31 2:49:56 PM  
I hate his haircut.
 
2022-01-31 2:54:39 PM  
The same sort of thing happened recently(ish) is Microsoft.  As Azure was starting to roll out, most of my more competent business contacts were no longer available to assist with our environment as they'd moved over to the Azure side of the business.

The good people saw where the business was heading and got in front of it.  The rest stuck around to support legacy knowing that business would drop off if not entirely disappear in time.

It's not uncommon.  Gotta keep skills current to remain employable or end up among the COBOL programmers maintaining legacy systems.
 
2022-01-31 3:02:14 PM  
"huge push"
 
2022-01-31 3:55:22 PM  
The wife just got an oculus for the kids for christmas against my better judgement.  Actually, against my worse judgement - it is AMAZING.  Yeah, I am against FB, don't add content and maybe log in once every 2 weeks or so but the Oculus is unbelievable.  360 videos are VERY immersive.

/Red Matter graphics are amazing (movement is clunky)
//Beat Saber is super fun
///If you get it, you WON'T be disappointed.
 
2022-01-31 3:57:02 PM  

tmyk: The good people saw where the business was heading and got in front of it.


You really think a Zuckerberg-branded version of Google Glass is the future of the industry? That this is where "the business" of consumer technology is headed?
 
2022-01-31 4:05:24 PM  

emtwo: tmyk: The good people saw where the business was heading and got in front of it.

You really think a Zuckerberg-branded version of Google Glass is the future of the industry? That this is where "the business" of consumer technology is headed?


Not the future of consumer technology but the future of tech within that company.  If employees want to keep working there, they have to learn the emerging tech that the company expects to base its future on.
 
2022-01-31 4:10:30 PM  
If you make 95% of your money off of division A, ignoring it for division B is usually A Very Bad Idea.
 
2022-01-31 4:12:47 PM  

tmyk: emtwo: tmyk: The good people saw where the business was heading and got in front of it.

You really think a Zuckerberg-branded version of Google Glass is the future of the industry? That this is where "the business" of consumer technology is headed?

Not the future of consumer technology but the future of tech within that company.  If employees want to keep working there, they have to learn the emerging tech that the company expects to base its future on.


I think it's less about emergent tech and more about about abandoning obligations.

Facebook is gigantic. It's where the money comes from. And it is currently forced to confront massive problems, legally and socially.

I think a lot of Facebook employees are not soulless monsters and are actually eager to confront some of those public obligations. And restructuring to divert resources away from that and towards a new pet project would probably feel insulting to them. And it should definitely feel insulting to the public.

I don't think this has anything to do with an unwillingness to learn or embrace new technology.
 
2022-01-31 4:17:46 PM  

Joe USer: After many years of design and usability work, we've created The Web. It's not tbe best setup, but it lets us do stuff quickly that would normally require many more steps. Now we're supposed to use AR and VR to add more steps to what is a pretty simple process.


It drives me nuts in sci-fi where they always have to have a UI more obnoxious than something we have now.
For farks sake if sci-fi writers invented the future our car gps would be a sassy bipedal gynoid in the passenger seat that would argue with you about where you want to go.
 
2022-01-31 4:18:59 PM  

Geotpf: If you make 95% of your money off of division A, ignoring it for division B is usually A Very Bad Idea.


...unless you are Kodak.
 
2022-01-31 4:25:48 PM  

emtwo: tmyk: emtwo: tmyk: The good people saw where the business was heading and got in front of it.

You really think a Zuckerberg-branded version of Google Glass is the future of the industry? That this is where "the business" of consumer technology is headed?

Not the future of consumer technology but the future of tech within that company.  If employees want to keep working there, they have to learn the emerging tech that the company expects to base its future on.

I think it's less about emergent tech and more about about abandoning obligations.

Facebook is gigantic. It's where the money comes from. And it is currently forced to confront massive problems, legally and socially.

I think a lot of Facebook employees are not soulless monsters and are actually eager to confront some of those public obligations. And restructuring to divert resources away from that and towards a new pet project would probably feel insulting to them. And it should definitely feel insulting to the public.

I don't think this has anything to do with an unwillingness to learn or embrace new technology.


It's the company putting resources where it feels it needs them and the employees deciding if that's where they want to be within the organization.  There's nothing to be insulted about on either side of that equation.  Each is doing what they feel is in their own best interest, and those two things won't always intersect.
 
2022-01-31 4:25:58 PM  

Fano: It drives me nuts in sci-fi where they always have to have a UI more obnoxious than something we have now.


Like Minority Report?  Sure, it looks cool, but your arms would get so farking tired.

sleze: The wife just got an oculus for the kids for christmas against my better judgement.  Actually, against my worse judgement - it is AMAZING.  Yeah, I am against FB, don't add content and maybe log in once every 2 weeks or so but the Oculus is unbelievable.  360 videos are VERY immersive.

/Red Matter graphics are amazing (movement is clunky)
//Beat Saber is super fun
///If you get it, you WON'T be disappointed.


Yeah, I hate facebook, but it is a pretty fun device.
 
2022-01-31 4:30:04 PM  
FaceTube is a mature product now. The only addition needed is whatever new nonsense Meta comes up with. Maintenance mode baby.
 
2022-01-31 4:34:02 PM  

tmyk: emtwo: tmyk: emtwo: tmyk: The good people saw where the business was heading and got in front of it.

You really think a Zuckerberg-branded version of Google Glass is the future of the industry? That this is where "the business" of consumer technology is headed?

Not the future of consumer technology but the future of tech within that company.  If employees want to keep working there, they have to learn the emerging tech that the company expects to base its future on.

I think it's less about emergent tech and more about about abandoning obligations.

Facebook is gigantic. It's where the money comes from. And it is currently forced to confront massive problems, legally and socially.

I think a lot of Facebook employees are not soulless monsters and are actually eager to confront some of those public obligations. And restructuring to divert resources away from that and towards a new pet project would probably feel insulting to them. And it should definitely feel insulting to the public.

I don't think this has anything to do with an unwillingness to learn or embrace new technology.

It's the company putting resources where it feels it needs them and the employees deciding if that's where they want to be within the organization.  There's nothing to be insulted about on either side of that equation.  Each is doing what they feel is in their own best interest, and those two things won't always intersect.


Despite what you may think, people do usually take some pride in their work.

Hiring someone on to solve a problem and then immediately removing the funding, resources, and all ability to do the job is generally seen as insulting.

And even if you can't find any empathy for the employees in that position, one would hope you could at least be indignant on behalf of the public (that very much includes you) for sidelining their obligations to make Facebook safer.
 
2022-01-31 4:42:31 PM  
Imagine running up on this with VR in the metaverse...

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/smashes lamp and rips down curtains while tearing cables from PC in an attempt to regain my sanity and make it back to the real world
// "The end is near. I hear a noise at the door, as of some immense slippery body lumbering against it. It shall not find me. God, that hand! The window! The window!"
 
2022-01-31 4:53:17 PM  

emtwo: tmyk: emtwo: tmyk: emtwo: tmyk: *wrds*
Despite what you may think, people do usually take some pride in their work.

Hiring someone on to solve a problem and then immediately removing the funding, resources, and all ability to do the job is generally seen as insulting.

And even if you can't find any empathy for the employees in that position, one would hope you could at least be indignant on behalf of the public (that very much includes you) for sidelining their obligations to make Facebook safer.


You're, like, really hot on this topic.  Show me on the doll where the employer hurt you.

Business is business.  Just last quarter I left a job after 16 years.  New management came in and our visions conflicted (to put it lightly) so I left to find a gig which is more to my liking and is allowing me once again to grow in my skillset and overall career path.  Likewise, the company followed what they feel is their best course of action and outsourced everything.  There's no bitterness and we're both better for it.

It's not a divorce.  It's not a lifetime commitment.  It's a way to pay the bills.  Hopefully you/I get a little satisfaction at the end of each workday out of whatever we produced, but it should never be the focal point of one's life.

As for being indignant about what Facebook chooses to do, no.  Enthusiastically no.  I'm not paying for their service so why should I be indignant about what they choose to do with their platform?  For that matter, why are you?
 
2022-01-31 4:55:31 PM  
Nobody needs to feel left out. We're all getting a big FU from Zuck
 
2022-01-31 5:06:18 PM  

tmyk: As for being indignant about what Facebook chooses to do, no.  Enthusiastically no.  I'm not paying for their service so why should I be indignant about what they choose to do with their platform?  For that matter, why are you?


Because it's directly contributing to the decline of democracy?
 
2022-01-31 5:07:22 PM  

Fano: Geotpf: If you make 95% of your money off of division A, ignoring it for division B is usually A Very Bad Idea.

...unless you are Kodak.


I didn't say "ignore division B instead".  Kodak had a three decade period of time where they could have transitioned slowly from traditional photography to digital.

They choose not to and died as a result.

Sometimes a product gets replaced due to technological advances or just changing tastes of the market.  But it's extremely rare for an entire product category to get replaced quickly.  Usually there's plenty of time to transition.

I don't see Facebook (or Instagram for that matter) going away any time soon.  It would be foolish to ignore them-because the only way they will go away is due to lack of investment and maintenance.
 
2022-01-31 5:17:02 PM  

emtwo: tmyk: As for being indignant about what Facebook chooses to do, no.  Enthusiastically no.  I'm not paying for their service so why should I be indignant about what they choose to do with their platform?  For that matter, why are you?

Because it's directly contributing to the decline of democracy?


Now we're entirely off topic but in agreement.  Facebook as an entity can eat a bag of dicks.  The world would have been better without it or any other platform that would have filled that space.
 
2022-01-31 6:35:02 PM  

tmyk: emtwo: tmyk: As for being indignant about what Facebook chooses to do, no.  Enthusiastically no.  I'm not paying for their service so why should I be indignant about what they choose to do with their platform?  For that matter, why are you?

Because it's directly contributing to the decline of democracy?

Now we're entirely off topic but in agreement. Facebook as an entity can eat a bag of dicks.  The world would have been better without it or any other platform that would have filled that space.


I think I was pretty clear in my opening post that I was referring to legal and social obligations that many employees might actually want to address, so I don't know why you would consider that "entirely off topic."
 
2022-01-31 9:28:15 PM  

tmyk: It's not uncommon.  Gotta keep skills current to remain employable or end up among the COBOL programmers maintaining legacy systems.


You mean those high demand, low supply, highly paid modern COBOL programmers?

So you're saying get with the times in a highly competitive market, or laugh as everyone else moves on but the legacy systems keep ticking away in the background and your value grows?

The whole Meta thing is going to fail, and not because of any of the reasons outlined so far in the thread.

The reason it will fail: Is that it's just not accessible.

A) Cost prohibitive, not only are the singular units expensive with no sign that costs are coming down, but also you must have multiple of these devices per household.

Most people in the household will have a multifunctional device in the form of their cellphone these days, but a VR/AR headset is a long way away from replacing that, likening it more to a TV or games console.

And most households don't have a TV or games console per person.

B) Wearing glasses is barely considered a disability because it's so mainstream, as someone who used to have insanely thick glasses (I have since had ICL then laser, -8.5 and -7.75) I know firsthand that VR headsets are all but unusable for people with glasses, and when you can use them with glasses they're not immersive.

The solutions are prescription lenses for your VR headset (expensive), contacts (I all but stopped wearing them 5 years prior), or an inability to use a VR headset.

C) You can't share them, you can hand them over to others, but you can't share the experience with others. And if you have prescription lenses from B then you can't even hand them over or use your friend's. Whoops, all the people with glasses are left out of social technology if they don't bring theirs from home with them.

D) Finally people wearing them are inaccessible. Watching a movie together? Where's the chips or drink? fark knows, take it off to find them. Kids/partner playing games? Headphones on. Parents/partner can't get your attention. Getting frisky on the couch whilst watching a movie? Good luck with a VR headset. Watching the baby? Not with a VR headset on.
 
2022-02-01 5:30:22 PM  

dyhchong: B) Wearing glasses is barely considered a disability because it's so mainstream, as someone who used to have insanely thick glasses (I have since had ICL then laser, -8.5 and -7.75) I know firsthand that VR headsets are all but unusable for people with glasses, and when you can use them with glasses they're not immersive.


As a person who owns a Vive Pro, I can use it with glasses comfortably. The screen distance from my face can be easily adjusted. It's almost as if some VR headset makers know that a large segment of their target audience wear glasses...

(Half-Life: Alyx is awesome)
 
2022-02-01 10:07:32 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Joe USer: After many years of design and usability work, we've created The Web. It's not tbe best setup, but it lets us do stuff quickly that would normally require many more steps. Now we're supposed to use AR and VR to add more steps to what is a pretty simple process.

Imagine Zuckerberg being in charge of the entire Web.  That is what he envisions for this new metaverse.

He is sorta like Bill Gates at Microsoft pivoting to the web back in 1996.

There is little chance he will succeed.  I envision his metaverse being filled with angry Trumpers waving confederate flags threatening to kill everyone.


You don't know how close we were to a Microsoft dominated "web". In 1994, MS was going to include their online GUI app in Windows and sell servers to work with it. It eventually became MSN instead.
 
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