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2022-01-28 8:38:47 PM  
 
2022-01-28 9:36:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Nirvana Comics in Knoxville Tennessee is doing a drive to provide the full free series to any student of McMinn county who asks for it.


Thank you for posting this, donated!

And bravo to this guy.

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2022-01-28 9:39:01 PM  
And if there are no bookstores or libraries near you.

Or if you're concerned that there might, at some point in the future, not be any libraries or bookstores near you, well...

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https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook1ASurvivorsTaleArtSpiegelman

https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook2AndHereMyTroublesBeganArtSpiegelman

/...there was a time when anyone could go to the library and read journal articles, and even books, without having to pay. There were independent scholars who read thousands of pages without government library grants. But in the 1990s, both commercial and nonprofit journal publishers had begun charging fees for access. By 2047, libraries offering free public access to scholarly literature were a dim memory. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html
 
2022-01-28 11:12:04 PM  
Banning books might have worked in the 70s.  When information was a scarce and controlled resource.  It is done to make the person banning the book feel like they are doing something that makes them better than others. Now it only becomes a Streisand effect and makes it more popular

almost tempted to create a "My little  library" that has only banned books it in
 
2022-01-28 11:26:24 PM  
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2022-01-28 11:42:49 PM  
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2022-01-29 1:26:27 AM  

kkinnison: Banning books might have worked in the 70s.  When information was a scarce and controlled resource.  It is done to make the person banning the book feel like they are doing something that makes them better than others. Now it only becomes a Streisand effect and makes it more popular

almost tempted to create a "My little  library" that has only banned books it in


https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf2m3nb1j3/entire_text/
Guide to the Morris L. Ernst Banned Books Collection
 
2022-01-29 1:55:44 AM  
I kind of feel like the Nazis on the school board have never heard of the Streisand Effect.  Probably because it is named after a Jew so they set fire to any article that mentioned it.
 
2022-01-29 1:56:51 AM  
Wasn't that a movie? Or did I Spiderbaby that?
 
2022-01-29 2:10:35 AM  
I have always told my kids "If someone doesn't want you to read something, you should want to read it."

I taught them that because my mom taught me that. And she was right.
 
2022-01-29 2:13:55 AM  

HighOnCraic: [Fark user image 425x473]


Friend had his kid go to a sleepover at the house of a parent that was seriously into high tech Xmas decorations, they had a holographic Santa projector thing - apparently made it look like a ghostly Santa was putting presents under the tree and few other preset activities.  After the kidlet came back she was going on and on about how much she LOVED the 'Holo-Claus' and how she thought was just the neatest thing.  They had to have a little talk with her about that - and from there on it was most definitely 'Holo-Santa.'
 
2022-01-29 2:14:50 AM  

winedrinkingman: I kind of feel like the Nazis on the school board have never heard of the Streisand Effect.  Probably because it is named after a Jew so they set fire to any article that mentioned it.


That joke was a gas!
 
2022-01-29 2:15:48 AM  

kkinnison: Banning books might have worked in the 70s.  When information was a scarce and controlled resource.  It is done to make the person banning the book feel like they are doing something that makes them better than others. Now it only becomes a Streisand effect and makes it more popular


So if we ban the Bible, will that mean Christians will actually read it?
 
2022-01-29 2:23:32 AM  

jst3p: kkinnison: Banning books might have worked in the 70s.  When information was a scarce and controlled resource.  It is done to make the person banning the book feel like they are doing something that makes them better than others. Now it only becomes a Streisand effect and makes it more popular

So if we ban the Bible, will that mean Christians will actually read it?


Since the ones who put the douchy fish symbol on their cars and their places of business already pretend it is banned, and aren't reading it, I'm thinking not.
 
2022-01-29 2:24:03 AM  
If you don't hit Entertainment, Wheaton is sending copies to comic shops, to give away upon request.
 
2022-01-29 2:27:45 AM  

hardinparamedic: Nirvana Comics in Knoxville Tennessee is doing a drive to provide the full free series to any student of McMinn county who asks for it.


Thanks for the link - tossed in $20
 
2022-01-29 2:34:30 AM  

bobug: If you don't hit Entertainment, Wheaton is sending copies to comic shops, to give away upon request.


Shut up, Wes-  I mean good job will!
 
2022-01-29 2:39:23 AM  
 
2022-01-29 2:47:46 AM  
Admiration for The Jewish Journal.  They're apparently good enough journalists to use the proper headline "TN School Board Removes Holocaust Graphic Novel "Maus" from Curriculum" but insightful enough to realize that because this was the result of a school board vote, that doesn't make it into a non-issue just because its not technically a "ban".  Their stated reasons for the removal are still transparent lies/deliberate exaggerations.
 
2022-01-29 2:59:41 AM  

Twilight Farkle: And if there are no bookstores or libraries near you.

Or if you're concerned that there might, at some point in the future, not be any libraries or bookstores near you, well...

[Fark user image image 420x140]

https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook1ASurvivorsTaleArtSpiegelman

https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook2AndHereMyTroublesBeganArtSpiegelman

/...there was a time when anyone could go to the library and read journal articles, and even books, without having to pay. There were independent scholars who read thousands of pages without government library grants. But in the 1990s, both commercial and nonprofit journal publishers had begun charging fees for access. By 2047, libraries offering free public access to scholarly literature were a dim memory. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html


My local library is still free. Their only requirement is a library card,they ask for a $5 donation when you sign up for it, but do not require it. They are also staunchly against banning any book. In the past couple months, they received a bunch of book donations that would piss off conservatives - books by minorities, books telling stories about a gay guy/woman, etc. People complained and the library wasn't having it, saying they would not support censorship.  The town supported them, saying it was not their job to censor books.
 
2022-01-29 3:04:36 AM  
Maus is an excellent book.

It taught me a lot about friendship.
 
2022-01-29 3:35:52 AM  

jst3p: kkinnison: Banning books might have worked in the 70s.  When information was a scarce and controlled resource.  It is done to make the person banning the book feel like they are doing something that makes them better than others. Now it only becomes a Streisand effect and makes it more popular

So if we ban the Bible, will that mean Christians will actually read it?


No. They will just revert to terrorism
 
2022-01-29 3:39:54 AM  
I'm awaiting the governor to pass an executive order that banned books can not be on school property or advertised to children, along with CRT, trand people, and liberals.
 
2022-01-29 3:43:47 AM  

anuran: jst3p: kkinnison: Banning books might have worked in the 70s.  When information was a scarce and controlled resource.  It is done to make the person banning the book feel like they are doing something that makes them better than others. Now it only becomes a Streisand effect and makes it more popular

So if we ban the Bible, will that mean Christians will actually read it?

No. They will just revert to terrorism


Revert?
 
2022-01-29 3:52:46 AM  
Once again, Neil Gaiman states the issue more eloquently than anyone else...

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Can't find it now, but there's a cartoon of the McMinn Co. school board depicted as the cats giving the Nazi/Roman salute to vote in favor of the ban.
 
2022-01-29 3:55:45 AM  

Peki: anuran: jst3p: kkinnison: Banning books might have worked in the 70s.  When information was a scarce and controlled resource.  It is done to make the person banning the book feel like they are doing something that makes them better than others. Now it only becomes a Streisand effect and makes it more popular

So if we ban the Bible, will that mean Christians will actually read it?

No. They will just revert to terrorism

Revert?


The default state for American Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. They can occasionally be coaxed into not adopting terrorism, as when one of the Great Awakenings (the first?) made Established Churches unpopular or when they (temporarily) decided that separation of Church and State was a good idea. But release the pressure for an instant or give them a reason to feel oppressed and the slam back into it.
 
2022-01-29 4:22:55 AM  
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2022-01-29 4:36:47 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Once again, Neil Gaiman states the issue more eloquently than anyone else...

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Can't find it now, but there's a cartoon of the McMinn Co. school board depicted as the cats giving the Nazi/Roman salute to vote in favor of the ban.


https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=473667950787975&set=a.289781959176576
scontent.fbne6-1.fna.fbcdn.netView Full Size
 
2022-01-29 4:40:56 AM  

grumpfuff: Twilight Farkle: And if there are no bookstores or libraries near you.

Or if you're concerned that there might, at some point in the future, not be any libraries or bookstores near you, well...

[Fark user image image 420x140]

https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook1ASurvivorsTaleArtSpiegelman

https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook2AndHereMyTroublesBeganArtSpiegelman

/...there was a time when anyone could go to the library and read journal articles, and even books, without having to pay. There were independent scholars who read thousands of pages without government library grants. But in the 1990s, both commercial and nonprofit journal publishers had begun charging fees for access. By 2047, libraries offering free public access to scholarly literature were a dim memory. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

My local library is still free. Their only requirement is a library card,they ask for a $5 donation when you sign up for it, but do not require it. They are also staunchly against banning any book. In the past couple months, they received a bunch of book donations that would piss off conservatives - books by minorities, books telling stories about a gay guy/woman, etc. People complained and the library wasn't having it, saying they would not support censorship.  The town supported them, saying it was not their job to censor books.


i worked at a long-standing headshop/record store in a very conservative small city. my manager (who was openly gay) was cleaning out his garage and had a bunch of gay-centric books he was looking to get rid of, but the library refused them because they were too risque. "tales from the city", warhol, mapplethorpe, stuff like that. i ended up taking them off his hands and handing them off to a teenaged kid i knew who had just come out of the closet. i knew his family didn't approve of teh gay, and i could probably get in trouble for giving him some of that stuff, but it was absolutely worth it. i was a social go-between for this older man who spent a good chunk of his life hiding himself and this kid who was just coming into his own. they were both so happy about the situation, but they never met each other.
 
2022-01-29 6:52:42 AM  

psykick dancehall: grumpfuff: Twilight Farkle: And if there are no bookstores or libraries near you.

Or if you're concerned that there might, at some point in the future, not be any libraries or bookstores near you, well...

[Fark user image image 420x140]

https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook1ASurvivorsTaleArtSpiegelman

https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook2AndHereMyTroublesBeganArtSpiegelman

/...there was a time when anyone could go to the library and read journal articles, and even books, without having to pay. There were independent scholars who read thousands of pages without government library grants. But in the 1990s, both commercial and nonprofit journal publishers had begun charging fees for access. By 2047, libraries offering free public access to scholarly literature were a dim memory. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

My local library is still free. Their only requirement is a library card,they ask for a $5 donation when you sign up for it, but do not require it. They are also staunchly against banning any book. In the past couple months, they received a bunch of book donations that would piss off conservatives - books by minorities, books telling stories about a gay guy/woman, etc. People complained and the library wasn't having it, saying they would not support censorship.  The town supported them, saying it was not their job to censor books.

i worked at a long-standing headshop/record store in a very conservative small city. my manager (who was openly gay) was cleaning out his garage and had a bunch of gay-centric books he was looking to get rid of, but the library refused them because they were too risque. "tales from the city", warhol, mapplethorpe, stuff like that. i ended up taking them off his hands and handing them off to a teenaged kid i knew who had just come out of the closet. i knew his family didn't approve of teh gay, and i could probably get in trouble for giving him some of that stuff, but it was absolutely worth it. i was a social go-between for this older man who spent a good chunk of his life hiding himself and this kid who was just coming into his own. they were both so happy about the situation, but they never met each other.


Tales of the City was too risqué? It was originally published in a daily newspaper, for Christ's sake. Of course that was in 1970s San Francisco....
 
2022-01-29 6:58:50 AM  
Um... subby. This professor dude lives in North Carolina not Tennessee.  So technically every one in Tennessee is still a pant wetting nazi snowflake.
 
2022-01-29 7:16:34 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: Um... subby. This professor dude lives in North Carolina not Tennessee.  So technically every one in Tennessee is still a pant wetting nazi snowflake.


Name checks out.
 
2022-01-29 7:40:38 AM  

calufrax: RoyFokker'sGhost: Once again, Neil Gaiman states the issue more eloquently than anyone else...

[Fark user image 526x588]

Can't find it now, but there's a cartoon of the McMinn Co. school board depicted as the cats giving the Nazi/Roman salute to vote in favor of the ban.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=473667950787975&set=a.289781959176576
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I was repeatedly told as a child that there were no cats in America and the streets were paved with cheese.
 
2022-01-29 7:42:44 AM  

Sabreace22: calufrax: RoyFokker'sGhost: Once again, Neil Gaiman states the issue more eloquently than anyone else...

[Fark user image 526x588]

Can't find it now, but there's a cartoon of the McMinn Co. school board depicted as the cats giving the Nazi/Roman salute to vote in favor of the ban.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=473667950787975&set=a.289781959176576
[scontent.fbne6-1.fna.fbcdn.net image 850x635]

I was repeatedly told as a child that there were no cats in America and the streets were paved with cheese.


Did it set your mind at ease?

I do remember one scene: "Poor lad, died young, never got a chance to vote. Well, he'll vote Democrat from now on."
 
2022-01-29 7:47:33 AM  
Apparently I still have that entire goddamn song in my head.

"When I once was a lad, I lost my true love fair. A calico, he caught us by surprise. A flash of teeth and fur - her tail was all he left of her! And there is where it too-rah loo-rah lies... but! But there are no cats in America..."
 
2022-01-29 8:16:22 AM  

ryebread: hardinparamedic: Nirvana Comics in Knoxville Tennessee is doing a drive to provide the full free series to any student of McMinn county who asks for it.

Thank you for posting this, donated!

And bravo to this guy.

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I might have gone with 451.  Because I'm cheap.
 
2022-01-29 9:32:19 AM  
Next up: McMinn County enacts a VPN to block all websites in North Carolina.
 
2022-01-29 9:47:43 AM  

thornhill: Next up: McMinn County enacts a VPN to block all websites in North Carolina.


The talking points have changed now that this has become a national embarassment.

It was in response to "concerned parents" complaining about "nudity and language" now.

Pretty sure they hear worse in traffic with their parents.
 
2022-01-29 9:59:16 AM  

hardinparamedic: thornhill: Next up: McMinn County enacts a VPN to block all websites in North Carolina.

The talking points have changed now that this has become a national embarassment.

It was in response to "concerned parents" complaining about "nudity and language" now.

Pretty sure they hear worse in traffic with their parents.


It would be creepy as hell, but I'd love for local news to follow the parent and school board members around to capture them taking their kids to PG13 and R rated movies -- because we all know the parents don't give a crap about the movies and tv shows their kids watch.
 
2022-01-29 11:09:05 AM  

hardinparamedic: thornhill: Next up: McMinn County enacts a VPN to block all websites in North Carolina.

The talking points have changed now that this has become a national embarassment.

It was in response to "concerned parents" complaining about "nudity and language" now.

Pretty sure they hear worse in traffic with their parents.


Hopefully less nudity, though?
 
2022-01-29 11:35:06 AM  

thornhill: hardinparamedic: thornhill: Next up: McMinn County enacts a VPN to block all websites in North Carolina.

The talking points have changed now that this has become a national embarassment.

It was in response to "concerned parents" complaining about "nudity and language" now.

Pretty sure they hear worse in traffic with their parents.

It would be creepy as hell, but I'd love for local news to follow the parent and school board members around to capture them taking their kids to PG13 and R rated movies -- because we all know the parents don't give a crap about the movies and tv shows their kids watch.


one of the talking points seems to be "concern" about language and obscenity.  Do they not know about YouTube?

/my kids can speak fluent "sailor"
//yet still know when not to speak "sailor"
/// and always say please and thank you.
 
2022-01-29 11:36:06 AM  
Subby, of course no republicans would have an issue with "Maus." They think it's a funny graphic novel and they can only "read" the pictures. Has Subby ever met someone from the 3rd world shiathole called tennessee?
 
2022-01-29 11:43:20 AM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: Hopefully less nudity, though?


That argument loses validity when you realize nearly all of them take their kids to movies with more graphic, sexual human nudity than a drawn mouse in a concentration camp.
 
2022-01-29 11:47:38 AM  
Tenessee school board packed with holocaust deniers?

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This is my shocked face.
 
2022-01-29 12:52:00 PM  
We're just going to keep it up until we get our own tag - East Tennessee

Screw that, Memphis will have its own tag first - West Tennessee

Haven't you seen our judges. They put children in jail without charges and make a profit from it - East Tennessee

Haven't you seen our criminals. They are the so stupid - West Tennessee

They aren't all that stupid. They have too many teeth and we aren't sure they aren't really from North Mississippi - West Tennessee

Both of you shut up. I found the pipe, who brought the meth? - Middle Tennessee

I brought oxys and fent-West Tennessee

Yo, Mexican ditch weed and CIA crack here - West Tennessee

Sigh, what I have to put up with - Middle Tennessee
 
2022-01-29 12:57:18 PM  

2farknfunny: Haven't you seen our criminals. They are the so stupid - West Tennessee


Memphis/Shelby County literally has one of the the most corrupt DAs in the United States.
 
2022-01-29 1:43:35 PM  

hardinparamedic: 2farknfunny: Haven't you seen our criminals. They are the so stupid - West Tennessee

Memphis/Shelby County literally has one of the the most corrupt DAs in the United States.


So one vote for a Memphis tag
 
2022-01-29 1:50:09 PM  
It's such an outstanding book, it should be on every child's reading list.
 
2022-01-29 2:12:39 PM  
I read Maus when it came out. I have a question. Is saying that something "is the worst thing ever" the same as comparing minor inconveniences to the Holocaust? Because I've done that.
 
2022-01-29 2:38:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: Dr. Nick Riviera: Hopefully less nudity, though?

That argument loses validity when you realize nearly all of them take their kids to movies with more graphic, sexual human nudity than a drawn mouse in a concentration camp.


I was talking about in traffic.
 
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