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2022-01-28 9:38:45 PM  
What a radio commentator says in passing in a fictional script is probably less poetic license and more likely a commentary on the factual historical inaccuracies provided by sponsored broadcasts in the United States for as long as well... Since Bell said "Mr. Watson, come here I need you"
A G Bell was emotuonally distant and these diary entries from his wife will prove it. From then on it was Dewy Wins, and Biden Stole The Election.
I'm no lawyer, but the argument can be made that the Georgian has-been is a gold digger looking to upset a gravy train, and the bluff should be called.
But go ahead, sweety. Remind us of how Nancy Drew cracked the case.
 
2022-01-28 11:07:57 PM  
is that you, meowsaidthedog?

Seriously, I'm glad she's suing. She's a living person. The movie portrays her in a factually incorrect light. She's standing up for herself like she's done her whole life.
 
2022-01-28 11:13:17 PM  
This is why you have disclaimers: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThisIsAWorkOfFiction
 
2022-01-28 11:16:07 PM  

Irisclara: is that you, meowsaidthedog?

Seriously, I'm glad she's suing. She's a living person. The movie portrays her in a factually incorrect light. She's standing up for herself like she's done her whole life.


Exactly. It's kind of odd that they'd add the part about her never playing men but keep her actual name. If they want to mention a fictional women's champion, just make one up.
 
2022-01-28 11:32:53 PM  
The weird thing is that the novel does mention that she played men:

It also points out that, when filing its motion to dismiss, "Netflix's own evidence demonstrates knowledge of the truth in its choice to deviate from the text of the Novel, which states that Plaintiff had faced the male Russian Grandmasters 'many times before.'"
 
2022-01-28 11:38:38 PM  

jake_lex: The weird thing is that the novel does mention that she played men:

It also points out that, when filing its motion to dismiss, "Netflix's own evidence demonstrates knowledge of the truth in its choice to deviate from the text of the Novel, which states that Plaintiff had faced the male Russian Grandmasters 'many times before.'"


Yep - there's no real "Well obviously we needed to change that line" argument I can see going on here, and it does defame her history while purportedly dramatizing actual history.  Some slight changes in phrasing or something, ehh whatev.  Completely reversing the reality of the situation for no discernible reason?  Yeah that's a problem - from my uninformed IANAL viewpoint, that certainly seems like a case.  Not one worth 5M or something, but certainly worth an apology, a line change to future copies, and a small payout for the irritation
 
2022-01-28 11:47:17 PM  

Irisclara: is that you, meowsaidthedog?

Seriously, I'm glad she's suing. She's a living person. The movie portrays her in a factually incorrect light. She's standing up for herself like she's done her whole life.


I mean, a character in the series does.
 
2022-01-29 12:07:03 AM  
Good.

I don't say this often, but that's definitely a meritorious lawsuit and they legit owe her monetary damages and the modification of the script for that shiat.

// Communist-era Russia can be faulted for many things, but they were pretty aggressive about gender equality specifically and consistently outpaced corresponding US "accomplishments" on that front by multiple decades.
 
2022-01-29 12:08:40 AM  
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2022-01-29 1:41:08 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Good.

I don't say this often, but that's definitely a meritorious lawsuit and they legit owe her monetary damages and the modification of the script for that shiat.

// Communist-era Russia can be faulted for many things, but they were pretty aggressive about gender equality specifically and consistently outpaced corresponding US "accomplishments" on that front by multiple decades.


The Communists were good and sexist. For example, the first female member of the politburo was appointed in February 1991, as the Soviet Union had 6 months to live, in a reduced form. She was assigned to handle the women/family/children portfolio.

The Chinese appointed their first female Politburo member in 2015.

Out of absolute necessity, the Soviets used women in combat during the Civil War and during World War II, but it was not under conditions of equality and sexual harassment was endemic.
 
2022-01-29 6:36:24 AM  
I hope she gets her money. It stops being fiction when you mock a living person.
 
2022-01-29 10:01:05 AM  
She may win the defamation part of the lawsuit.  However, then a monetary amount of damages will have to be determined and that may not be as much as she may hope.
 
2022-01-29 10:12:26 AM  

BigMax: Jim_Callahan: Good.

I don't say this often, but that's definitely a meritorious lawsuit and they legit owe her monetary damages and the modification of the script for that shiat.

// Communist-era Russia can be faulted for many things, but they were pretty aggressive about gender equality specifically and consistently outpaced corresponding US "accomplishments" on that front by multiple decades.

The Communists were good and sexist. For example, the first female member of the politburo was appointed in February 1991, as the Soviet Union had 6 months to live, in a reduced form. She was assigned to handle the women/family/children portfolio.

The Chinese appointed their first female Politburo member in 2015.

Out of absolute necessity, the Soviets used women in combat during the Civil War and during World War II, but it was not under conditions of equality and sexual harassment was endemic.


It wasn't just sexual harassment. Mass rape of the civilian population and often their own fellow female soldiers was endemic to the Red Army as it advanced against Germany.
 
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2022-01-29 10:28:02 AM  
If you want to peer into madness, go take a look at the Queen's Gambit board game. Spoilers: it isn't just "chess".
 
2022-01-29 11:48:16 AM  
Since when are Netflix shows boxed and sitting in the game aisle at Best Buy?:

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2022-01-29 4:36:58 PM  

blodyholy: Since when are Netflix shows boxed and sitting in the game aisle at Best Buy?:

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Because that is the video game.  Nice cropping on the image though.
 
2022-01-29 6:21:37 PM  

haknudsen: blodyholy: Since when are Netflix shows boxed and sitting in the game aisle at Best Buy?:

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Because that is the video game.  Nice cropping on the image though.


Ever were it not, a lot of Netflix stuff does indeed end up on physical media for sale in stores.  Quick list I grabbed, not current but still:

Marriage Story (2019) - Noah Baumbach - Spine 1038
The Irishman (2019) - Martin Scorsese - Spine 1058
Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story by Martin Scorsese (2019) - Martin Scorsese - Spine 1062
Roma (2018) - Alfonso Cuarón - Spine 1014
13 Reasons Why (Seasons 1-2 - distributed by Paramount)
American Vandal (Only season 1 was released on DVD - distributed by Paramount)
Angela's Christmas (Irish movie - distributed by 9 Story Ent)
Anne with an E (Seasons 1-3 - distributed by CBC - listed as being an import)
Beat Bugs (Multiple volumes - distributed by Universal Music Group)
BoJack Horseman (Seasons 1-2 only - distributed by SHOUT! FACTORY)
Castlevania (Seasons 1-2 Warner Brothers is listed as the studio on Amazon)
Cobra Kai (Seasons 1-2 - very limited availability - picked up as Netflix Original from season 3 - distributed by Sony Pictures)
Derek (Seasons 1-2 - Netflix distributed as Original - distributed by Spirit Entertainment Limited)
Dracula (Season 1 - distributed by BBC)
Dragons: Race to the Edge (All seasons available although often grouped up into 2 seasons each - distributed by Universal Pictures Home Entertainment)
F Is For Family (Season 1 only - listed as an import from Europe)
Fuller House (All seasons - distributed by Warner Brothers Television)
Gilmore Girls: A Year In The Life (Limited series but owned by Warner Brothers Television)
Grace & Frankie (Multiple seasons - distributed by Lionsgate)
House of Cards (Seasons 1-6 - distributed by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment)
Longmire (Only seasons 1-5 available on DVD - Netflix acquired this title for a final sixth season - distributed by Warner Brothers Television)
Lost in Space (Seasons 1-2)
Lucifer (Seasons 1-5 - Netflix picked up as an original from season 4 onwards - distributed by Warner Brothers Television)
Marco Polo (Seasons 1-2 - distributed by Artisan & Lionsgate TV)
Marvel's Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist & Jessica Jones (Seasons 1-2 of Daredevil - only seasons 1 of the other shows - no The Punisher - distributed by Marvel / Walt Disney Studios)
Master of None (Seasons 1-2 - distributed by Universal Pictures Home Entertainment)
Narcos (Seasons 1-3 - Gaumont owns but interestingly, Narcos: Mexico hasn't come to DVD - distributed by Lionsgate)
Orange is the New Black (Seasons 1-7 - Distributed by Lionsgate TV owns)
Peaky Blinders (Seasons 1-5 - distributed by BBC)
She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (Seasons 1-3 available as a boxset - distributed by Universal Pictures Home Entertainment)
Spirit Riding Free (Seasons 1-8 - distributed by Universal Pictures Home Entertainment)
Stranger Things (Seasons 1-3 - listed as Vertigo)
The Crown (Seasons 1-2 - Sony Pictures Home Entertainment)
The Haunting of Hill House (Limited series - distributed by Paramount)
The Little Prince (Early Netflix movie acquisition - listed as being from "Import")
The Kominsky Method (Season 1-2 - distributed by WarnerBrothers)
Trailer Park Boys (Multiple seasons & movies - distributed by Eone)
Trolls: The Beat Goes On! (Seasons 1-4 - distributed by Universal Pictures Home Entertainment)
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (The Complete Series - owned by NBCUniversal Television Distribution)
Voltron: Legendary Defenders (Seasons 1-6 available - Universal Pictures Home Entertainment listed as the distributor)
You (Season 1 only - show owned and distributed by Warner Brothers Television - DVD listed from Warner Archive - Netflix acquired the streaming rights from season 2 onwards).

/some of them are apparently pretty limited releases or hard to find, but not all
//so yeah, it certainly does happen
///next question?
 
2022-01-29 7:45:49 PM  

vudukungfu: What a radio commentator says in passing in a fictional script is probably less poetic license and more likely a commentary on the factual historical inaccuracies provided by sponsored broadcasts in the United States for as long as well... Since Bell said "Mr. Watson, come here I need you"
A G Bell was emotuonally distant and these diary entries from his wife will prove it. From then on it was Dewy Wins, and Biden Stole The Election.
I'm no lawyer, but the argument can be made that the Georgian has-been is a gold digger looking to upset a gravy train, and the bluff should be called.
But go ahead, sweety. Remind us of how Nancy Drew cracked the case.


I'm not sure what you said, but you say it with such conviction that I can do nothing but agree.
 
2022-01-29 11:43:32 PM  
Well they did make a false claim about her. But a defamation case also requires harm. I don't see how she was harmed. The average viewer probably does not know that she is a real person. And anyone who would consider buying a chess book by her is avid enough about the game to know her real history. And I don't think that viewership of the series is that great in Georgia or any other Eastern European countries.

/Still, it was stupid of Netflix who is going to spend thousands of dollars on legal fees that could have been avoiding by changing it to a fictional player or actually getting it right. Both would have cost nothing and would have not changed the plot.
 
2022-01-30 12:10:30 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Well they did make a false claim about her. But a defamation case also requires harm. I don't see how she was harmed. The average viewer probably does not know that she is a real person. And anyone who would consider buying a chess book by her is avid enough about the game to know her real history. And I don't think that viewership of the series is that great in Georgia or any other Eastern European countries.

/Still, it was stupid of Netflix who is going to spend thousands of dollars on legal fees that could have been avoiding by changing it to a fictional player or actually getting it right. Both would have cost nothing and would have not changed the plot.


When you refer to actual people in a historical film, and they're living, that can easily be enough for defamation.  "They aren't all that well known/popular" is no defense, whether they are or not they've still been impugned.  Fictionalizing her in that would have been hard as it tries to show actual chess history - a name that didn't go would have stuck out like a sore thumb amongst all the other real names to anyone that seriously knew the game.  Even if someone's random spectator 27 of 123 Nowhere Lane, and is an individual no one in the world beyond their family and friends care about, if you name them in the film you still can't defame them - not in something that purports to be at least functionally similar to the historic record
 
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