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(The Drive)   In case you wondered what happens if you ignore that oil change interval reminder light on your dashboard, for a Ram 1500 EcoDiesel it means an engine destroyed at 91,000 km and a warranty that won't cover the $15,000 repair bill   (thedrive.com) divider line
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2022-01-28 6:30:42 PM  
He can always get another truck as qualification for Chrysler financing can be summarized as 'Are you breathing?'
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2022-01-28 9:13:04 PM  
'EcoDiesel'  Man, that's even worse than 'Military Intelligence'.
 
2022-01-28 9:20:23 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: 'EcoDiesel'  Man, that's even worse than 'Military Intelligence'.


For a 1/2 ton pickup Diesel engine, it's pretty good.

The Ford PowerStroke V-6 lasted all of 2-3 model years before it's discontinued, so those owners are stuck with orphans that made low sales numbers. Good luck with parts availability.

The GM 3.0 inline-6 shows promise as it's being sold in 1500 pickups and the SUVs (Suburban, Yukon, Escalade, and maybe the Tahoe?). It's the first Cadillac Diesel engine since the 1980s sedans! The emissions treatment system is new and unique in that it takes exhaust from after the particulate filter and uses that for EGR. All other Diesel engines used EGR from before the filter, meaning raw soot went right into the EGR cooler and intake manifold - leaving it caked and clogged with a snotty soot after some tens of thousands of miles. It will be interesting to see if this GM design fixes that problem.
 
2022-01-28 9:27:46 PM  
That poor truck..such an idiot, gullible owner.
$10 on the truck had the oem oil filter still installed!
 
2022-01-28 9:33:03 PM  

wildlifer: That poor truck..such an idiot, gullible owner.
$10 on the truck had the oem oil filter still installed!


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2022-01-28 9:44:05 PM  

gaslight: He can always get another truck as qualification for Chrysler financing can be summarized as 'Are you breathing?'
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If he's still making payments, he can stop and let them take it back.
 
2022-01-28 9:44:24 PM  
Guess his headlights won't be on my ass this summer
 
2022-01-28 9:56:10 PM  
91,000 km?!  How much is that in dog years?

But, I'm reminded how I recently swapped out the shocks on my 91' Toyota Truck with 240K miles on it.  They were originals.   Now, it doesn't feel like it's going to fly into  a thousands pieces at freeway speed.
 
2022-01-28 10:11:07 PM  
This reminds me that I need to change my oil on Monday.
/low km's, but it's 8 months old
 
2022-01-28 10:23:43 PM  
Fark that article. When your best take is "well, sure, this guy's an idiot that didn't RTFM, but, really, isn't it also the fault of the 'Jiffy Lube-esque' employee who allegedly gave him bad info, or the dealership that might not have given him the owner's manual to that truck, too? I mean, we have no evidence of any of that other than from what the idiot alleged, but, couldn't you put yourselves in the shoes of that idiot?"

No, you disingenuous fark. It's the fault of the owner for not reading the manual, understanding how his vehicle worked, comprehending the terms of his warranty, and then clearly lying about the whole situation in an attempt to shame someone else into paying for his utter farking stupidity. There is no "but for the grace of God go I" moment here, so that appeal has, at least for me, fallen on profoundly deaf farking ears.
 
2022-01-28 10:23:46 PM  

TomDooley: 91,000 km?!  How much is that in dog years?

But, I'm reminded how I recently swapped out the shocks on my 91' Toyota Truck with 240K miles on it.  They were originals.   Now, it doesn't feel like it's going to fly into  a thousands pieces at freeway speed.


....yawn....

My work van is an '02 Odyssey.  Should be rolling past 450,000 miles next week.

Keep the oil changed, pay attention to the timing belt interval and those Honda 3.5's will run forever.
 
2022-01-28 11:03:24 PM  
One of my college friends had wealthy parents. They bought him a decked out new Celica (I know, there's better cars, but it was nice for a college student). I think it got to about 12,000 miles before the engine seized from not changing the oil.

Anyway, last I heard of that guy, he was living back home after maxing out his cards to buy guns. Don't worry, though, he's mining crypto. Given his parents are paying for the electricity, he'll be back on his feet in no time.

Christ, what an asshole. It still kind of annoys me that he was confused when I stopped returning his calls.
 
2022-01-29 2:53:50 AM  
It sounds like he just plain ran out of oil. The NPR car guys did a test to see how long he could go without changing his oil. The answer was undetermined, because the car never died.
 
2022-01-29 2:56:36 AM  
"Unfortunately, that vehicle will have to go to scrap, I can't afford something like that."

Even with a blown engine the way the market is today he should be able to get some fairly decent money for it.
 
2022-01-29 7:03:24 AM  

scanman61: Honda 3.5's will run forever


Had a Pilot with that engine. That engine will be found in 2000 years and start right up as soon as the civilization that finds it can get their hands on some actual gasoline.

I am in the market for a Passport or Ridgeline, and I've heard rumors about that 3.5 going away in favor of the turbos they put in the RDX.
 
2022-01-29 7:29:54 AM  
05 duramax (allison) with 302k.  Service (not flush) transmission and transfer case (one replacement, lots of towing).  New shocks and brakes at 200k.  Oil service every 5k and running like a champ.  Burn up a lot of shows, about every 40k miles, spendy.
 
2022-01-29 8:30:34 AM  
You'd think someone who plunked down however many tens of thousands of dollars for that truck would spring for an occasional $20 Jiffy Lube.

//2000 LS1 Trans Am with 100k miles gets Mobile for older engines every 3000 miles and runs like new
 
2022-01-29 8:41:45 AM  

johnphantom: $20 Jiffy Lube.


Oil changes on Diesel engines require specific synthetic oils. If I got my oil changed at the dealership, it's $95 (oil is $18 a quart there!) and the cheapest to get done at some cheap shop is $25 labor if I show up with the $25 jug of oil and $10 filter in my hand. About $50-60 and I drive a Chevy Cruze.
 
2022-01-29 8:43:09 AM  

FormlessOne: It's the fault of the owner for not reading the manual, understanding how his vehicle worked, comprehending the terms of his warranty


The dealership is pretty clear that the maintenance minder light came on and he ignored it. We don't know how long he ignored it, but clearly something like over 2x the recommended maintenance interval. Did he put some tape over the light or something?
 
2022-01-29 8:47:57 AM  

mrmopar5287: johnphantom: $20 Jiffy Lube.

Oil changes on Diesel engines require specific synthetic oils. If I got my oil changed at the dealership, it's $95 (oil is $18 a quart there!) and the cheapest to get done at some cheap shop is $25 labor if I show up with the $25 jug of oil and $10 filter in my hand. About $50-60 and I drive a Chevy Cruze.


I am blissfully unaware of diesel vehicle costs/etc. Wow. $18 a quart. God damn is all I can say.
 
2022-01-29 8:49:21 AM  

mrmopar5287: johnphantom: $20 Jiffy Lube.

Oil changes on Diesel engines require specific synthetic oils. If I got my oil changed at the dealership, it's $95 (oil is $18 a quart there!) and the cheapest to get done at some cheap shop is $25 labor if I show up with the $25 jug of oil and $10 filter in my hand. About $50-60 and I drive a Chevy Cruze.


They require synthetic but at the regular interval. This guy was going to the quickie change place and they gave him the line about not needing to change synthetic as often. That's generally true for gas cars but the new "clean" diesels are dainty beasts.
 
2022-01-29 8:58:05 AM  

johnphantom: I am blissfully unaware of diesel vehicle costs/etc. Wow. $18 a quart. God damn is all I can say.


RTOGUY: They require synthetic but at the regular interval.


So, my car exists in a weird intersection where it requires oil that meets the GM Dexos2 specification listed here: https://www.gmdexos.com

The only oil the Chevy dealership carries with that is AC Delco, it's in individual quarts, and they go through so little of that oil that they probably do not get any bulk discount. That's why it's $18 a quart (and the AC Delco oil filter for my car is $22 there!).

I can go to any of the quick change oil shops and they almost never have any oil in stock for my car that is Dexos2 approved. The Valvoline place doesn't have any of that oil in their brands. The cheapest and best I can do is go to Wal-Mart and a 5-quart jug of Pennzoil Platinum Euro-L is on the shelf for $22-24. So if I can get in at Wal-Mart for an oil change (which is questionable lately due to low staffing during the pandemic) they have a Pennzoil synthetic oil change for like $45 and I have to watch them like hawks to make sure they are using that specific jug of oil off the shelf. I also pay a few bucks more to get a better oil filter than the cheapest SuperTech brand filter. Mobil 1 oil filter is like $10 and I get a $4 credit for not using the SuperTech filter, making the price not that much different.
 
2022-01-29 10:58:43 AM  

mrmopar5287: FormlessOne: It's the fault of the owner for not reading the manual, understanding how his vehicle worked, comprehending the terms of his warranty

The dealership is pretty clear that the maintenance minder light came on and he ignored it. We don't know how long he ignored it, but clearly something like over 2x the recommended maintenance interval. Did he put some tape over the light or something?


It is possible he only did one oil change in 55,000 miles.  I watch youtube videos of people that disassemble junkyard engines for parts, and they can tell just by looking at the top of the heads whether the engine has had it's recommended oil changes, or not.  Without the oil changes, that engine was filled with semi-solid tar, not oil after that amount of miles.
 
2022-01-29 11:49:59 AM  

caljar: mrmopar5287: FormlessOne: It's the fault of the owner for not reading the manual, understanding how his vehicle worked, comprehending the terms of his warranty

The dealership is pretty clear that the maintenance minder light came on and he ignored it. We don't know how long he ignored it, but clearly something like over 2x the recommended maintenance interval. Did he put some tape over the light or something?

It is possible he only did one oil change in 55,000 miles.  I watch youtube videos of people that disassemble junkyard engines for parts, and they can tell just by looking at the top of the heads whether the engine has had it's recommended oil changes, or not.  Without the oil changes, that engine was filled with semi-solid tar, not oil after that amount of miles.


https://www.thedrive.com/news/42228/look-what-happens-to-a-low-mile-ford-diesel-with-tons-of-idle-time-and-no-maintenance
 
2022-01-29 11:51:37 AM  

caljar: It is possible he only did one oil change in 55,000 miles.


I can't figure out how he could be so unbelievably stupid to do that, but I guess others here have lots of stories of that happening so it's a regular occurrence. These modern cars have messages on the dash that straight up tell you to change the oil! My Chevy Cruze will nag you on every start once oil life gets to 5% or below, and I change it when it's at the 33% level (5,000 mile intervals instead of 7,500 miles).
 
2022-01-29 12:21:18 PM  

TomDooley: 91,000 km?!  How much is that in dog years?

But, I'm reminded how I recently swapped out the shocks on my 91' Toyota Truck with 240K miles on it.  They were originals.   Now, it doesn't feel like it's going to fly into  a thousands pieces at freeway speed.


Yodas beat all shiatters.
 
2022-01-29 12:24:46 PM  

thurstonxhowell: One of my college friends had wealthy parents. They bought him a decked out new Celica (I know, there's better cars, but it was nice for a college student). I think it got to about 12,000 miles before the engine seized from not changing the oil.

Anyway, last I heard of that guy, he was living back home after maxing out his cards to buy guns. Don't worry, though, he's mining crypto. Given his parents are paying for the electricity, he'll be back on his feet in no time.

Christ, what an asshole. It still kind of annoys me that he was confused when I stopped returning his calls.


Inherited money is a hellava drug.

Usually we dont value anything we didnt have to work for.
 
2022-01-29 12:26:33 PM  

mrmopar5287: FormlessOne: It's the fault of the owner for not reading the manual, understanding how his vehicle worked, comprehending the terms of his warranty

The dealership is pretty clear that the maintenance minder light came on and he ignored it. We don't know how long he ignored it, but clearly something like over 2x the recommended maintenance interval. Did he put some tape over the light or something?


Stealership
 
2022-01-29 12:38:28 PM  

Linux_Yes: Stealership


Sure, but both they and the manufacturer aren't obligated to give out warranty work for people who abused the vehicle to the point of causing a huge expensive problem. They can pull data from the computer and know what you are doing. They know when the maintenance minder light came on (it's flagged in the computer) and know that it was was either never reset, or it was reset and then you have to prove with some paperwork that you got the oil changed somewhere else with the proper oil to support the warranty.

For my warranty I kept all receipts of oil purchased from Wal-mart and receipts of oil changes done at the cheap shop down the street (using materials I carried in to them, because they don't stock an oil specific to my car). It's that easy to do to keep some receipts in a drawer and scanned onto the computer to save them. Takes like 2 minutes and it's proof to back up any warranty claim.
 
2022-01-29 12:39:22 PM  

Linux_Yes: Inherited money is a hellava drug.

Usually we dont value anything we didnt have to work for.


If you go without it for long enough to know what it's like without money and THEN inherit some, the outcome is usually better. You get some perspective, maturity, and the ability to possibly manage it better.
 
2022-01-29 1:31:49 PM  

H31N0US: scanman61: Honda 3.5's will run forever

Had a Pilot with that engine. That engine will be found in 2000 years and start right up as soon as the civilization that finds it can get their hands on some actual gasoline.

I am in the market for a Passport or Ridgeline, and I've heard rumors about that 3.5 going away in favor of the turbos they put in the RDX.


God I hope not.  That engine is GM 3800 V6 levels of indestructible. Big, understressed, forgiving of abuse, and so plentiful that parts will never really disappear.

The turbo-4 thing is so farking stupid.  If you take a small displacement engine and add a turbo to cram more air in it, you have to add more gasoline to keep the ratios in line.  You've just made more virtual displacement, consuming the same amount of fuel, and spreading those forces across a smaller block, smaller surface area, and adding an extra complicated component as a brand new point of failure.  All because overseas countries tax displacement, and manufacturers can game the EPA tests.

If you want variable displacement, and just use VCM like the Honda 3.5s do, you have a block built for the larger displacement, that is under-stressed in the low power mode.  If the VCM system fails, it fails to the higher power output, rather than a laggy little fartbox like the 4-banger.

/Love my 3.5L Pilot
 
2022-01-29 1:43:28 PM  

SumoJeb: This reminds me that I need to change my oil on Monday.
/low km's, but it's 8 months old


I change mine every 2 years, but I have a PHEV and use a max-life synthetic.
 
2022-01-29 2:52:30 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: SumoJeb: This reminds me that I need to change my oil on Monday.
/low km's, but it's 8 months old

I change mine every 2 years, but I have a PHEV and use a max-life synthetic.


Thats really pushing it.  Once oil is used it breaks down over time even if motor isnt being run.  Course that depends on how often its run during those two years.
 
2022-01-29 2:58:25 PM  

mrmopar5287: https://www.thedrive.com/news/42228/look-what-happens-to-a-low-mile-ford-diesel-with-tons-of-idle-time-and-no-maintenance


I've had a couple of Ford Crown Vic retired police cars. One of the best things they did on the 03+ models was add an hour meter right on the odometer. Push the trip button, idle hours show up, and are only accrued when the vehicle is running in park or I believe neutral. 1 idle hour is equivalent to 30 miles of driving for oil change interval purposes. It's also super nice when you but them used and they have 85k miles but 8000 idle hours, you know what you're getting.
 
2022-01-29 3:03:45 PM  

mrmopar5287: caljar: mrmopar5287: FormlessOne: It's the fault of the owner for not reading the manual, understanding how his vehicle worked, comprehending the terms of his warranty

The dealership is pretty clear that the maintenance minder light came on and he ignored it. We don't know how long he ignored it, but clearly something like over 2x the recommended maintenance interval. Did he put some tape over the light or something?

It is possible he only did one oil change in 55,000 miles.  I watch youtube videos of people that disassemble junkyard engines for parts, and they can tell just by looking at the top of the heads whether the engine has had it's recommended oil changes, or not.  Without the oil changes, that engine was filled with semi-solid tar, not oil after that amount of miles.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/42228/look-what-happens-to-a-low-mile-ford-diesel-with-tons-of-idle-time-and-no-maintenance


That vehicle was owned by a Diesel Dummy.
 
2022-01-29 3:05:29 PM  

mrmopar5287: johnphantom: I am blissfully unaware of diesel vehicle costs/etc. Wow. $18 a quart. God damn is all I can say.

RTOGUY: They require synthetic but at the regular interval.

So, my car exists in a weird intersection where it requires oil that meets the GM Dexos2 specification listed here: https://www.gmdexos.com

The only oil the Chevy dealership carries with that is AC Delco, it's in individual quarts, and they go through so little of that oil that they probably do not get any bulk discount. That's why it's $18 a quart (and the AC Delco oil filter for my car is $22 there!).

I can go to any of the quick change oil shops and they almost never have any oil in stock for my car that is Dexos2 approved. The Valvoline place doesn't have any of that oil in their brands. The cheapest and best I can do is go to Wal-Mart and a 5-quart jug of Pennzoil Platinum Euro-L is on the shelf for $22-24. So if I can get in at Wal-Mart for an oil change (which is questionable lately due to low staffing during the pandemic) they have a Pennzoil synthetic oil change for like $45 and I have to watch them like hawks to make sure they are using that specific jug of oil off the shelf. I also pay a few bucks more to get a better oil filter than the cheapest SuperTech brand filter. Mobil 1 oil filter is like $10 and I get a $4 credit for not using the SuperTech filter, making the price not that much different.


Castrol Edge or bust!!
 
2022-01-29 3:06:41 PM  

Linux_Yes: mrmopar5287: caljar: mrmopar5287: FormlessOne: It's the fault of the owner for not reading the manual, understanding how his vehicle worked, comprehending the terms of his warranty

The dealership is pretty clear that the maintenance minder light came on and he ignored it. We don't know how long he ignored it, but clearly something like over 2x the recommended maintenance interval. Did he put some tape over the light or something?

It is possible he only did one oil change in 55,000 miles.  I watch youtube videos of people that disassemble junkyard engines for parts, and they can tell just by looking at the top of the heads whether the engine has had it's recommended oil changes, or not.  Without the oil changes, that engine was filled with semi-solid tar, not oil after that amount of miles.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/42228/look-what-happens-to-a-low-mile-ford-diesel-with-tons-of-idle-time-and-no-maintenance

That vehicle was owned by a Diesel Dummy.


It was a "lot rat" (tow truck that rarely or never left the yard) used for moving things around in the yard. It was idled or driven at slow speeds and probably everyone driving it thought someone else was minding the maintenance to get it in for oil changes.
 
2022-01-29 3:39:46 PM  

Linux_Yes: Castrol Edge or bust!!


These are all approved... if I could find them around me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pennzoil is on the shelf at Wal-Mart for $22-24. No reason for me to spend a huge amount of time trying to track down something else.

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