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2022-01-28 5:09:54 PM  
lose-lose scenario
 
2022-01-28 5:26:03 PM  
The Eighth Amendment is supposed to prohibit "cruel and unusual punishments."

And yet we see the system continually say "hold my beer".
 
2022-01-28 5:44:45 PM  
Cruelty is the point, right?

In a civilized county, there would only humane ways of executing people.

Haha, just kidding. Civilized countries don't execute people at all.
 
2022-01-28 6:24:33 PM  
If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.
 
2022-01-28 6:51:32 PM  
Only 186 acknowledged people that turns out were  innocent of the crime the death penalty was imposed since 1973 in the US.https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
I believe some people need to die for their crimes and think the death penalty should be kept at the federal level. But a majority of people people sentenced to death in state court are poor and POCs. A person shouldn't be executed simply because they are poor and POC. If a public defender was funded with the same amount the State spends on the prosecution for seeking the death penalty it would be closer to fair and far more pleas for life in prison.
 
2022-01-28 7:01:38 PM  

eurotrader: Only 186

 
2022-01-28 7:14:36 PM  

Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.


I mean, we could do it with Carbon Monoxide.

But seemingly the torture is the point.

/not 100% against the death penalty
//but 95% against how the US applies it
///it should be reserved for mass murderers, school shooters, et al whose guilt is NOT IN DOUBT...
 
2022-01-28 7:39:42 PM  
I'm against at the death penalty as a matter of principle, but if you're going to do it, at least be humane. At this point, bringing back the guillotine or even the firing squad would be a step up from the current torture.
 
2022-01-28 7:43:18 PM  
Madame La Guillotine would be much cheaper and much more humane than chemicals.
 
2022-01-28 7:43:19 PM  
Conservatives getting off on human suffering? Must be a day ending in y
 
2022-01-28 7:44:00 PM  

puffy999: Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.

I mean, we could do it with Carbon Monoxide.

But seemingly the torture is the point.

/not 100% against the death penalty
//but 95% against how the US applies it
///it should be reserved for mass murderers, school shooters, et al whose guilt is NOT IN DOUBT...


Nitrogen squeezing the oxygen out with keeping carbon dioxide low. You just go to sleep, there is no discomfort.
 
2022-01-28 7:45:41 PM  

iheartscotch: Madame La Guillotine would be much cheaper and much more humane than chemicals.


But it would look icky to the audience and might make them feel bad.
 
2022-01-28 7:47:51 PM  

puffy999: Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.

I mean, we could do it with Carbon Monoxide.

But seemingly the torture is the point.

/not 100% against the death penalty
//but 95% against how the US applies it
///it should be reserved for mass murderers, school shooters, et al whose guilt is NOT IN DOUBT...


CO is more dangerous to deal with than nitrogen, and we have good data showing that nitrogen asphyxiation is painless.* Given that nitrogen is also dirt cheap and available at any welding shop why not just use it?

/* Ask about the first person that died on the shuttle Columbia
 
2022-01-28 7:48:38 PM  
The solution is simple,
The prison lobby needs to fight the intellectual property lobby, liberate pharmaceutical ip (maybe lower some drug costs for non criminals too).

C'mon rightwingers which do want more?
Cheap insulin and plentiful executions or lifetime sentences of high bills for everyone?

/it'll never happen
 
2022-01-28 7:49:32 PM  
Who knew so many children of Christ had such a punishment fetish?
 
2022-01-28 7:50:42 PM  
If you make it to the end of the article, you'll find the most frightening part.

The part where Gorsuch explicitly says that the conservatives don't want to uphold the constitution in this case, because then other people who are having their rights grievously violated might think of suing as well. And that seems like a lot of work on the SCOTUS docket, and he doesn't want to do it.

Yikes.
 
2022-01-28 7:51:30 PM  

johnphantom: puffy999: Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.

I mean, we could do it with Carbon Monoxide.

But seemingly the torture is the point.

/not 100% against the death penalty
//but 95% against how the US applies it
///it should be reserved for mass murderers, school shooters, et al whose guilt is NOT IN DOUBT...

Nitrogen squeezing the oxygen out with keeping carbon dioxide low. You just go to sleep, there is no discomfort.


In the particular case in question, that was one of the execution options the state of Alabama (who executed this man) could have used.  But only if the person being executed read and signed a form where they request it.

The form, however, is written in dense legalese, and the inmate in this case had a developmental disability and read at a first grade level, so he didn't understand the form enough to ask for this less-painful method.  The ruling by the Supreme Court being talked about in the linked article is them saying Alabama had no responsibility to explain the form to prisoners in a way they can understand, so the prisoner in this case was executed the hideously painful way instead of via nitrogen hypoxia.
 
2022-01-28 7:51:44 PM  

johnphantom: puffy999: Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.

I mean, we could do it with Carbon Monoxide.

But seemingly the torture is the point.

/not 100% against the death penalty
//but 95% against how the US applies it
///it should be reserved for mass murderers, school shooters, et al whose guilt is NOT IN DOUBT...

Nitrogen squeezing the oxygen out with keeping carbon dioxide low. You just go to sleep, there is no discomfort.

Beat me to it. Feeling of suffocation is cause by CO₂ buildup, not lack of O₂, in the blood. Nitrogen is almost ⅘ of the air we're breathing now, so it's abundant and there aren't going to be any shortages.

If you really wanna be humane and don't worry about appearances, crushing the skull instantly in a high-speed and high-pressure press would be the way to go. Even decapitation leaves the head conscious for a few seconds. This wouldn't. If it's high speed enough, the brain would be crushed before the nerve impulses from the sensory neurons in the skin from the press first contacting it could even reach the brain, let alone be processed by it as pain or even touch,
 
2022-01-28 7:52:37 PM  
There is significant evidence that Matthew Reeves, a man convicted of murder that the state of Alabama executed after the Supreme Court permitted it to do so on Thursday, had an intellectual disability.

Well that just seems to make it easier. Strap him in and tell him it's a ride.
 
2022-01-28 7:56:37 PM  

NeoCortex42: iheartscotch: Madame La Guillotine would be much cheaper and much more humane than chemicals.

But it would look icky to the audience and might make them feel bad.


People crowded in to see it, presumably because it looked icky.

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2022-01-28 7:57:20 PM  
Despicable.
 
2022-01-28 7:58:34 PM  
America is NOT the greatest country in the world.

In fact, it's a living Hellscape. If I had the ability to learn a new language and a sizable bank account, I'd escape from this Clown Pit to go live in a civilized a country in a nanosecond!

I truly cannot fathom why anyone would want to immigrate here, legally or otherwise.
 
2022-01-28 7:59:17 PM  
This court is illegitimate.
 
2022-01-28 7:59:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: iheartscotch: Madame La Guillotine would be much cheaper and much more humane than chemicals.

But it would look icky to the audience and might make them feel bad.


Honestly? If a human has the audacity to sentence another human to death...they should be the one who does the deed.

/ Yes, that's a reference. Yes, I reworded it
 
2022-01-28 8:01:56 PM  

Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.


Two reasons:
First, Cruelty is the point.  For example, the reason we use the electric chair is because Thomas Edison was trying to show the AC current was dangerous and we shouldn't use it for our electrical system. To prove this point he electrocuted some animals to death, including an Elephant.
Second, while sometimes an overdose from an opiate may end up with an easy death, sometimes it doesn't.
But, really it is mostly the first one.
 
2022-01-28 8:02:55 PM  

COMALite J: johnphantom: puffy999: Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.

I mean, we could do it with Carbon Monoxide.

But seemingly the torture is the point.

/not 100% against the death penalty
//but 95% against how the US applies it
///it should be reserved for mass murderers, school shooters, et al whose guilt is NOT IN DOUBT...

Nitrogen squeezing the oxygen out with keeping carbon dioxide low. You just go to sleep, there is no discomfort.
Beat me to it. Feeling of suffocation is cause by CO₂ buildup, not lack of O₂, in the blood. Nitrogen is almost ⅘ of the air we're breathing now, so it's abundant and there aren't going to be any shortages.

If you really wanna be humane and don't worry about appearances, crushing the skull instantly in a high-speed and high-pressure press would be the way to go. Even decapitation leaves the head conscious for a few seconds. This wouldn't. If it's high speed enough, the brain would be crushed before the nerve impulses from the sensory neurons in the skin from the press first contacting it could even reach the brain, let alone be processed by it as pain or even touch,


That's what they do with cows. Morphine still sounds more humane.
 
2022-01-28 8:03:13 PM  

ElPrimitivo: NeoCortex42: iheartscotch: Madame La Guillotine would be much cheaper and much more humane than chemicals.

But it would look icky to the audience and might make them feel bad.

People crowded in to see it, presumably because it looked icky.

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There was a minor fad that developed regarding the hair of those who were executed. Basically, they'd gather the cut hair with whatever scalp was attached for keepsakes.
 
2022-01-28 8:05:20 PM  

haknudsen: Second, while sometimes an overdose from an opiate may end up with an easy death, sometimes it doesn't.


I refuse to believe we can't make it easy. Amateurs do it all the time. There's a lethal amount of morphine and everyone knows what it is because they avoid giving it to you in the hospital. So take the average lethal dose, quadruple it, and you have your procedure.
 
2022-01-28 8:09:51 PM  
This majority would watch The Green Mile and sympathize with Percy.
 
2022-01-28 8:10:30 PM  
Many experts believe that nitrogen hypoxia is much less painful than lethal injection, especially if the state does not have access to reliable anesthetics. Although, for obvious reasons, it's impossible to conduct an ethical experiment on actual people to determine if one method of killing is less painful than others.

We already have ample scientific evidence that this method of execution is quick and painless.
 
2022-01-28 8:13:22 PM  

puffy999: Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.

I mean, we could do it with Carbon Monoxide.

But seemingly the torture is the point.

/not 100% against the death penalty
//but 95% against how the US applies it
///it should be reserved for mass murderers, school shooters, et al whose guilt is NOT IN DOUBT...


Heavy disagree. The death penalty should be used for white collar criminals and corrupt politicians.
 
2022-01-28 8:13:31 PM  

eurotrader: Only 186 acknowledged people that turns out were  innocent of the crime the death penalty was imposed since 1973 in the US.https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
I believe some people need to die for their crimes and think the death penalty should be kept at the federal level. But a majority of people people sentenced to death in state court are poor and POCs. A person shouldn't be executed simply because they are poor and POC. If a public defender was funded with the same amount the State spends on the prosecution for seeking the death penalty it would be closer to fair and far more pleas for life in prison.


Oh, they only killed 186 wrong people that they know of.

What you left out is that there were around 1,500 executions. The error rate is over 10%.

Get your shiat together. Funding a public defenders office wouldn't do shiat when there is collusion between police and prosecution, or when police falsify evidence.
 
2022-01-28 8:13:47 PM  

eurotrader: Only 186 acknowledged people that turns out were  innocent of the crime the death penalty was imposed since 1973 in the US.https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
I believe some people need to die for their crimes and think the death penalty should be kept at the federal level. But a majority of people people sentenced to death in state court are poor and POCs. A person shouldn't be executed simply because they are poor and POC. If a public defender was funded with the same amount the State spends on the prosecution for seeking the death penalty it would be closer to fair and far more pleas for life in prison.


Paradoxically, the death penalty frees people from incarceration.
 
2022-01-28 8:13:53 PM  
"If we grant your stay, then every other tittybaby who thinks their rights are important will sue too, and that's a lot of work"

This is why Republicans deserve no mercy or quarter.
 
2022-01-28 8:14:53 PM  

eurotrader: I believe some people need to die for their crimes and think the death penalty should be kept at the federal level.


Why? Other countries don't have this, and they don't have an outsize crime problem.
 
2022-01-28 8:15:20 PM  

eurotrader: Only 186 acknowledged people that turns out were  innocent of the crime the death penalty was imposed since 1973 in the US.https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
I believe some people need to die for their crimes and think the death penalty should be kept at the federal level. But a majority of people people sentenced to death in state court are poor and POCs. A person shouldn't be executed simply because they are poor and POC. If a public defender was funded with the same amount the State spends on the prosecution for seeking the death penalty it would be closer to fair and far more pleas for life in prison.


If X innocent people were executed is greater than or equal to 1, then executions should be abolished.
 
2022-01-28 8:15:22 PM  

DarnoKonrad: This court is illegitimate.


It's legitimate until someone actually attempts to ignore them. No one has the courage.
 
2022-01-28 8:18:31 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: "If we grant your stay, then every other tittybaby who thinks their rights are important will sue too, and that's a lot of work"

This is why Republicans deserve no mercy or quarter.


Perhaps they should quit if they don't want to work for a living.
 
2022-01-28 8:18:32 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'm against at the death penalty as a matter of principle, but if you're going to do it, at least be humane. At this point, bringing back the guillotine or even the firing squad would be a step up from the current torture.


And broadcast it if you're actually serious about deterrent.
 
2022-01-28 8:18:41 PM  
The conservative God fearing Christian justices are going to be farked if the God they pretend to believe in is real.
 
2022-01-28 8:25:33 PM  
As Justice Brett Kavanaugh complained to the inmate's lawyer, "if we rule in your favor in this case, this will be a heavy part of our docket for years to come."

What a farking crybaby. Maybe you could have turned down the nomination if you didn't want to you know, do your job. Asshole.

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2022-01-28 8:36:24 PM  
The death penalty is 100% about exacting revenge.
 
2022-01-28 8:36:47 PM  

NeoCortex42: iheartscotch: Madame La Guillotine would be much cheaper and much more humane than chemicals.

But it would look icky to the audience and might make them feel bad.


Not for the families of the criminal's victims. I bet they'd really enjoy it.
 
2022-01-28 8:37:46 PM  

Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.


It's possible that any drug-based method would run into the same issue they have now, with companies refusing to supply the drugs to be used.

But hey, cops have said fentanyl is, like, super deadly to touch, so maybe they should just get some out of evidence lock up from the local police and rub it real hard on the inmate's skin.
 
2022-01-28 8:41:16 PM  

gonegirl: Lsherm: If we're going to keep executing people, and I don't think we should, why in the hell aren't we just overdosing people on morphine? Or even fentanyl? Or some other opioid? I've had painkillers before, they're farking glorious. My grandmother died a week after being put on "palliative care" - which is just a fancy medical term for "high off her ass all the time to prevent pain."

What's the farking point of complicating things? Put an IV in with morphine and keep pumping until the person stops breathing. They aren't going to suffer. Hell, they won't even feel it. A million addicts a year do it voluntarily.

It's possible that any drug-based method would run into the same issue they have now, with companies refusing to supply the drugs to be used.

But hey, cops have said fentanyl is, like, super deadly to touch, so maybe they should just get some out of evidence lock up from the local police and rub it real hard on the inmate's skin.


Helping yourself to whatever you want from the evidence locker is one of the defined benefits of being a cop. I'm pretty sure it's in most union contracts. You think fentanyl is going to sit around long enough to create a stockpile?
 
2022-01-28 8:41:17 PM  

foo monkey: The death penalty is 100% about exacting revenge.


I've come to believe that's not necessarily a bad thing. Violent crime is scary and people can feel powerless about it. When people feel scared and powerless, they do stupid things.

The death penalty gives the citizenry the opportunity to get a little blood in its teeth. See justice administered in a way that satisfies a primal urge to kill those who would threaten them.

I think its good for them.
 
2022-01-28 8:42:08 PM  

LarryDan43: The conservative God fearing Christian justices are going to be farked if the God they pretend to believe in is real.

That may be more true than you know.
 
2022-01-28 8:42:19 PM  

Magnanimous_J: foo monkey: The death penalty is 100% about exacting revenge.

I've come to believe that's not necessarily a bad thing. Violent crime is scary and people can feel powerless about it. When people feel scared and powerless, they do stupid things.

The death penalty gives the citizenry the opportunity to get a little blood in its teeth. See justice administered in a way that satisfies a primal urge to kill those who would threaten them.

I think its good for them.


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2022-01-28 8:42:21 PM  
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The center loop in the strap looks like a mouth screaming in silent agony and now I'm f*cking haunted by both this and the content of the article. Its never enough with these people, always harsher, always crueler while solving absolutely nothing.
 
2022-01-28 8:45:18 PM  

Lsherm: There's a lethal amount of morphine and everyone knows what it is because they avoid giving it to you in the hospital.


They avoid giving you any morphine in the hospital until they know you're about to die, because they want  to manage your pain like your broker manages your money.
 
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