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2022-01-28 6:56:33 PM  
"A lot of public schools and most private schools refuse to carry my books. But it's only an issue once China changes the end of a movie? I've been putting up with book-banning for a long time."
 
2022-01-28 7:57:21 PM  
Remember, folks, because prisoners and children can't have it, it's entirely comparable to an entire nationwide ban and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

/not even trying to defend the stupid USA here
//but damn, Chuck, pulling a smoothbrain
///maybe his next book will star LeBron and John Cena
 
2022-01-28 7:58:01 PM  
In other news the check cleared
 
2022-01-28 9:18:20 PM  

puffy999: Remember, folks, because prisoners and children can't have it, it's entirely comparable to an entire nationwide ban and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

/not even trying to defend the stupid USA here
//but damn, Chuck, pulling a smoothbrain
///maybe his next book will star LeBron and John Cena


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2022-01-28 9:20:44 PM  
I heard in the Chinese version they replace the Pixies song at the end with David Bowie.
 
2022-01-28 9:23:18 PM  
Occasional reminder that Fight Club was based on a real group that Palahniuk was a part of.

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/Most of their stories are probably bullshiat
//But which ones?
 
2022-01-28 9:24:08 PM  

puffy999: Remember, folks, because prisoners and children can't have it, it's entirely comparable to an entire nationwide ban and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

/not even trying to defend the stupid USA here
//but damn, Chuck, pulling a smoothbrain
///maybe his next book will star LeBron and John Cena


Because China does it worse he shouldn't comment on the censorship he faces in the US?

Nah.
 
2022-01-28 9:28:36 PM  
"Everyone gets a happy ending in China!," Palahniuk wrote in a tweet this week following news of the censored ending.

That's what XI said!
 
2022-01-28 9:30:04 PM  

puffy999: Remember, folks, because prisoners and children can't have it, it's entirely comparable to an entire nationwide ban and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

/not even trying to defend the stupid USA here
//but damn, Chuck, pulling a smoothbrain
///maybe his next book will star LeBron and John Cena


It's not a nationwide ban. It's a film that was edited to meet specific regional standards. And the article is peppered with quotes from Chinese people, in China, talking about their dissatisfaction with the edited ending.

Just like his book has been edited, many times, to meet specific regional standards in many foreign markets. And just like the US has banned his book from many public institutions. In fact, the US is the only place in which he mentions an outright ban.

There's no reason why you should find these instances incomparable. I don't know why you're trying to make this sound like he's conflating something completely trivial with OMG LITERALLY CHINESE HITLER! That's not what he's doing, that's what you're doing.

Smoothbrain, indeed.
 
2022-01-28 9:30:29 PM  
Yes but what about the important information that people really want to know?

Was this song used in the Chinese ending?
Pixies - Where Is My Mind
Youtube N3oCS85HvpY
 
2022-01-28 9:34:22 PM  
That's because the book ending sucked ass.

Now, the "flaw" that people talk about in "No Country" is not one. It's brilliant.
 
2022-01-28 9:35:01 PM  

puffy999: and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.


So China definitely has issues with censorship, but making sh*t up doesn't help anything.
 
2022-01-28 9:38:19 PM  
Original ending of the film Fight Club as produced by Arnon Milchan.
Fight Club Ending Scene
Youtube -dEbueX0GtA

Hey Bibi Netanyahu, how is your buddy Arnon these days are you guys still pals?
 
2022-01-28 9:39:19 PM  
So what he's saying is that the book was always meant to be shiat.
 
2022-01-28 9:39:20 PM  

emtwo: puffy999: Remember, folks, because prisoners and children can't have it, it's entirely comparable to an entire nationwide ban and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

/not even trying to defend the stupid USA here
//but damn, Chuck, pulling a smoothbrain
///maybe his next book will star LeBron and John Cena

It's not a nationwide ban. It's a film that was edited to meet specific regional standards. And the article is peppered with quotes from Chinese people, in China, talking about their dissatisfaction with the edited ending.

Just like his book has been edited, many times, to meet specific regional standards in many foreign markets. And just like the US has banned his book from many public institutions. In fact, the US is the only place in which he mentions an outright ban.

There's no reason why you should find these instances incomparable. I don't know why you're trying to make this sound like he's conflating something completely trivial with OMG LITERALLY CHINESE HITLER! That's not what he's doing, that's what you're doing.

Smoothbrain, indeed.


I think it's hilarious that the government or government agency having a policy of not spending money to buy a book for their citizens is referred to as an "outright ban." It's not even a slight ban, lol. You can still buy it with your own money and legally possess it.
 
2022-01-28 9:39:27 PM  

emtwo: It's not a nationwide ban


Hong Kong was to remain autonomous
 
2022-01-28 9:40:57 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: puffy999: and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

So China definitely has issues with censorship, but making sh*t up doesn't help anything.


China doesn't arrest people for discussing taboo topics?

China doesn't commit media censorship?

China hasn't disallowed things it once allowed?
 
2022-01-28 9:41:08 PM  
FTFA: At the end of Fincher's "Fight Club," Brad Pitt's character Tyler Durden is killed by Edward Norton's character the Narrator, who then watches the buildings around him crumble to the ground at the hands of several explosions.
 
2022-01-28 9:42:32 PM  
I heard in the Chinese version they added a scene of Tyler Durden peeing in Robert Paulson's Coke.
 
2022-01-28 9:42:52 PM  

Tabletop: I think it's hilarious that the government or government agency having a policy of not spending money to buy a book for their citizens is referred to as an "outright ban." It's not even a slight ban, lol. You can still buy it with your own money and legally possess it.


A book ban in public institutions is, in fact, a book ban. Arguing against tautologies is pretty foolhardy.

Never did I claim you couldn't buy it in the US.
 
2022-01-28 9:43:22 PM  

puffy999: Remember, folks, because prisoners and children can't have it, it's entirely comparable to an entire nationwide ban and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

/not even trying to defend the stupid USA here
//but damn, Chuck, pulling a smoothbrain
///maybe his next book will star LeBron and John Cena


Some nations being worse doesn't make other nations better and calling out our failures does nothing but give us opportunities to address them. This isn't him saying we can't criticize China, it's him saying we should be aware of our flaws and fix them.
 
2022-01-28 9:43:36 PM  
Itchy and Scratchy - Goodbye, Poochie
Youtube 4tvAjX5ACPo
 
2022-01-28 9:44:12 PM  

puffy999: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: puffy999: and arrests if you discuss the way it used to be.

So China definitely has issues with censorship, but making sh*t up doesn't help anything.

China doesn't arrest people for discussing taboo topics?

China doesn't commit media censorship?

China hasn't disallowed things it once allowed?


TFA isn't about Chuck's hypothetical response to hypothetical future arrests. I'm pretty sure they just asked him about the edited ending. You know, the thing that actually happened in real life and not just in your head.
 
2022-01-28 9:44:36 PM  

Tabletop: I think it's hilarious that the government or government agency having a policy of not spending money to buy a book for their citizens is referred to as an "outright ban." It's not even a slight ban, lol. You can still buy it with your own money and legally possess it.


Do you expect China to have movies depicting financial skyscrapers being blown up by a mentally-ill person in a few decades?

Maybe that part will remain the standard across the nation, but instead of a flashing dick after the end scene, they'll have text at the end which says "and this is how America fell."
 
2022-01-28 9:45:18 PM  
The original ending as per the book:

Tyler plans to blow up a skyscraper using homemade bombs created by Project Mayhem; the target of the explosion is the nearby national museum. Tyler plans to die as a martyr during this event, taking the narrator's life as well. Realizing this, the narrator sets out to stop Tyler, although Tyler is always thinking ahead of him. The narrator makes his way to the roof of the building, where Tyler holds him at gunpoint. When Marla comes to the roof with one of the support groups, Tyler vanishes, as Tyler "was his hallucination, not hers".

With Tyler gone, the narrator waits for the bomb to explode and kill him. The bomb malfunctions because Tyler mixed paraffin into the explosives. Still alive and holding Tyler's gun, the narrator makes the first decision that is truly his own: he puts the gun in his mouth and shoots himself. Some time later, he awakens in a mental hospital, believing he is in Heaven, and imagines an argument with God over human nature. The book ends with the narrator being approached by hospital employees who reveal themselves to be Project members. They tell him their plans still continue, and that they are expecting Tyler to come back.


"Everyone got arrested and the bomb didn't go off" in the Chinese censored version is actually pretty close to the original written ending, assuming of course you take that final step where the Project members reveal themselves in the prison.
 
2022-01-28 9:46:31 PM  

Arumat: So what he's saying is that the book was always meant to be shiat.


Eh, there's an aura of self-sacrifice I think he's trying to get across, when the Narrator realizes everything he's done and tries to undo it by taking himself out of the picture. It doesn't work, because the cult is that ingrained, so it adds to the futility everpresent in the rest of the book.

The movie was better than the book, and the twist was broadcast in the book in gigantic letters way, way earlier, so it wasn't much of a surprise.
 
2022-01-28 9:47:21 PM  

atomic-age: FTFA: At the end of Fincher's "Fight Club," Brad Pitt's character Tyler Durden is killed by Edward Norton's character the Narrator, who then watches the buildings around him crumble to the ground at the hands of several explosions.


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I genuinely like Milchan's movies.
Gale Hurd's movies too.

If you like a film, see who produced it then watch other films by that producer.

I think it's sorta funny that a billionaire who got into that bribery covfefe with Netanyahu produced the ending where some terrorists wipe out all of the debt.
 
2022-01-28 9:48:34 PM  
"Chuck Palahniuk, the author of the novel on which David Fincher's 1999 film "Fight Club" was based, has responded to China's censored cut of the movie, calling the edit "SUPER wonderful" and more in line with his original ending."

Wow! Did Chuckie spit or swallow after that huge amount of PRC knob-sucking??
 
2022-01-28 9:54:21 PM  

emtwo: Tabletop: I think it's hilarious that the government or government agency having a policy of not spending money to buy a book for their citizens is referred to as an "outright ban." It's not even a slight ban, lol. You can still buy it with your own money and legally possess it.

A book ban in public institutions is, in fact, a book ban. Arguing against tautologies is pretty foolhardy.

Never did I claim you couldn't buy it in the US.


A book ban is a book ban, that is in fact tautalougical. Very few book bans (none in america) are outright bans, or even slight bans. A ban is a prohibition on owning or producing something. That isnt what a book ban refers to.

Maybe it's confusing because sometimes in english phrases don't literally translate to each word's literal meaning. Democratic socialism isn't actually a type of socialism, you can't breed hot dogs, and book bans don't really ban any books.
 
2022-01-28 9:55:44 PM  
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In the Chuck Palahniuk version, the liner made it safely to port, Cal Hockley married Rose, and Jack Dawson was sentenced to twenty years hard labor.
 
2022-01-28 9:56:19 PM  

puffy999: China doesn't arrest people for discussing taboo topics?


Yes it does. Similarly I can expect national security visits for discussing revolution here too. Sure, Thomas Jefferson talked about the tree of liberty blah blah tyrants, but Drew has even warned us repeatedly that our government IS watching so watch what we say on the PolTab or we'll get to explain it to humorless men with earpieces.

At any rate, the content of this movie is not a taboo topic.

China doesn't commit media censorship?

I already said it does, you silly billy. They do it with the excuse of "common decency", and "moral majority". My impression is that it's a literal nanny state.

China hasn't disallowed things it once allowed?

So, my issue is with hyperbole. I've actually been to China. It absolutely has its problems (its losing battle with public urination, for example) but I can't help but notice in the US that we really like to blow them out of proportion into some kind of weird nightmare dystopia. You can accuse me of whataboutism but it seriously reminds me of the Christian Biblical admonition about judging them for a speck in their eye when we've got a plank.
 
2022-01-28 9:59:44 PM  

Tabletop: A book ban is a book ban, that is in fact tautalougical. Very few book bans (none in america) are outright bans, or even slight bans. A ban is a prohibition on owning or producing something. That isnt what a book ban refers to.


I see your confusion. It is with the word, "outright." Perhaps you are unaware that it has multiple meanings.

You incorrectly assume I meant:
adverb
altogether; completely.

When in fact it was used in the adjective:
adjective
open and direct; not concealed.
 
2022-01-28 10:02:14 PM  

emtwo: Tabletop: A book ban is a book ban, that is in fact tautalougical. Very few book bans (none in america) are outright bans, or even slight bans. A ban is a prohibition on owning or producing something. That isnt what a book ban refers to.

I see your confusion. It is with the word, "outright." Perhaps you are unaware that it has multiple meanings.

You incorrectly assume I meant:
adverb
altogether; completely.

When in fact it was used in the adjective:
adjective
open and direct; not concealed.


Referring to it as a ban without book in front is what is incorrect. Like I said, it's not even a slight ban. The government not providing something to its people isnt what a ban is.
 
2022-01-28 10:10:00 PM  

Tabletop: emtwo: Tabletop: A book ban is a book ban, that is in fact tautalougical. Very few book bans (none in america) are outright bans, or even slight bans. A ban is a prohibition on owning or producing something. That isnt what a book ban refers to.

I see your confusion. It is with the word, "outright." Perhaps you are unaware that it has multiple meanings.

You incorrectly assume I meant:
adverb
altogether; completely.

When in fact it was used in the adjective:
adjective
open and direct; not concealed.

Referring to it as a ban without book in front is what is incorrect. Like I said, it's not even a slight ban. The government not providing something to its people isnt what a ban is.


Okay let's get this straight.

The person I was responding to claimed that his movie had been banned in China despite the fact that it demonstrably hasn't, there is no truth to it, and nothing even approaching that has happened.

But you want to take issue with me because when I said the words, "banned his books," it wasn't clear to you that I was referring to a book ban, of which everyone in the world universally agrees that removing books from public libraries is an example?

Am I getting that right?
 
2022-01-28 10:10:11 PM  

Tabletop: A ban is a prohibition on owning or producing something.


It's broader than that. A ban can also allow ownership and production, but not trade.

For example, in New York state there's no ban on minors producing* or consuming alcohol. However, there is a ban on trading with or supplying people under the age 21 with an alcoholic or intoxicating substance.

*American cops really hate a smartass and you'll find yourself incredibly clumsy around stairs if you annoy them, so don't go thinking this is going to save you if you get caught
 
2022-01-28 10:14:17 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Tabletop: A ban is a prohibition on owning or producing something.

It's broader than that. A ban can also allow ownership and production, but not trade.

For example, in New York state there's no ban on minors producing* or consuming alcohol. However, there is a ban on trading with or supplying people under the age 21 with an alcoholic or intoxicating substance.

*American cops really hate a smartass and you'll find yourself incredibly clumsy around stairs if you annoy them, so don't go thinking this is going to save you if you get caught


There was at least a year in WA where it was legal to possess and consume marijuana, but illegal to grow, buy, sell, or trade it.
 
2022-01-28 10:15:27 PM  
Had to look up the book ending. Gotta say it doesn't quite seem like the Chinese version but ok.

"With Tyler gone, the narrator waits for the bomb to explode and kill him. The bomb malfunctions because Tyler mixed paraffin into the explosives. Still alive and holding Tyler's gun, the narrator makes the first decision that is truly his own: he puts the gun in his mouth and shoots himself. Some time later, he awakens in a mental hospital, believing he is in heaven, and imagines an argument with God over human nature. The book ends with the narrator being approached by hospital employees who reveal themselves to be Project members. They tell him their plans still continue, and that they are expecting Tyler to come back."
 
2022-01-28 10:17:34 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: "Chuck Palahniuk, the author of the novel on which David Fincher's 1999 film "Fight Club" was based, has responded to China's censored cut of the movie, calling the edit "SUPER wonderful" and more in line with his original ending."

Wow! Did Chuckie spit or swallow after that huge amount of PRC knob-sucking??


It's literally closer to the book he wrote.

Oh no.

Wait until you find out Stephen King hates the original adaptation of The Shining.
 
2022-01-28 10:19:53 PM  

emtwo: Tabletop: emtwo: Tabletop: A book ban is a book ban, that is in fact tautalougical. Very few book bans (none in america) are outright bans, or even slight bans. A ban is a prohibition on owning or producing something. That isnt what a book ban refers to.

I see your confusion. It is with the word, "outright." Perhaps you are unaware that it has multiple meanings.

You incorrectly assume I meant:
adverb
altogether; completely.

When in fact it was used in the adjective:
adjective
open and direct; not concealed.

Referring to it as a ban without book in front is what is incorrect. Like I said, it's not even a slight ban. The government not providing something to its people isnt what a ban is.

Okay let's get this straight.

The person I was responding to claimed that his movie had been banned in China despite the fact that it demonstrably hasn't, there is no truth to it, and nothing even approaching that has happened.

But you want to take issue with me because when I said the words, "banned his books," it wasn't clear to you that I was referring to a book ban, of which everyone in the world universally agrees that removing books from public libraries is an example?

Am I getting that right?


I dont think I ever expressed confusion, it was very clear what you meant. I said it was hilarious. On a planet where books have been actually, truly, banned, referring to the government not buying books as a ban is funny as shiat. It shows how truly privileged we are with our free speech. Only in a society like ours where we don't worry about real bans of books could you call this issue a book ban.
 
2022-01-28 10:21:22 PM  

emtwo: There was at least a year in WA where it was legal to possess and consume marijuana, but illegal to grow, buy, sell, or trade it.


Same in New York during the "decriminalization" period.

Currently it's legal to buy, consume and grow it but you need a license to legally sell it. There is presently no issuing body for those licenses.

I got an RFP on an HBITS position earlier this week for an "Office of Cannabis Management", so at least they're working on it. The requirements are bonkers though - they want someone who can program in .NET, Java, and PHP and who has 6-10 years experience in each. Looks like a real clusterf*ck.
 
2022-01-28 10:23:09 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: emtwo: There was at least a year in WA where it was legal to possess and consume marijuana, but illegal to grow, buy, sell, or trade it.

Same in New York during the "decriminalization" period.

Currently it's legal to buy, consume and grow it but you need a license to legally sell it. There is presently no issuing body for those licenses.

I got an RFP on an HBITS position earlier this week for an "Office of Cannabis Management", so at least they're working on it. The requirements are bonkers though - they want someone who can program in .NET, Java, and PHP and who has 6-10 years experience in each. Looks like a real clusterf*ck.


Repeat after me:
"I just found it on the sidewalk."
 
2022-01-28 10:25:30 PM  

Tabletop: Only in a society like ours where we don't worry about real bans of books could you call this issue a book ban.


That's not true at all. You can go to jail for possessing books containing certain content in the United States under the Federal PROTECT Act.
 
2022-01-28 10:27:07 PM  

Tabletop: Maybe it's confusing because sometimes in english phrases don't literally translate to each word's literal meaning. Democratic socialism isn't actually a type of socialism, you can't breed hot dogs, and book bans don't really ban any books.


We also have social democratic welfare capitalism.  His name is my name, too.
 
2022-01-28 10:27:20 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: AAAAGGGGHHHH: "Chuck Palahniuk, the author of the novel on which David Fincher's 1999 film "Fight Club" was based, has responded to China's censored cut of the movie, calling the edit "SUPER wonderful" and more in line with his original ending."

Wow! Did Chuckie spit or swallow after that huge amount of PRC knob-sucking??

It's literally closer to the book he wrote.

Oh no.

Wait until you find out Stephen King hates the original adaptation of The Shining.


Spit or swallow, Lumbar?
 
2022-01-28 10:29:20 PM  

emtwo: Repeat after me:
"I just found it on the sidewalk."


For private sales, no one cares. What it's holding up at this point is being able to buy it from a store.
 
2022-01-28 10:30:12 PM  

NathanAllen: That's because the book ending sucked ass.

Now, the "flaw" that people talk about in "No Country" is not one. It's brilliant.


What was it? Cause the quote from the author sounded sarcastic and the article of course didn't answer it.
 
2022-01-28 10:32:40 PM  
I'll leave the kvetching to other people but I have to go into CSB mode.

So Chuck is one of my favorite authors, and years ago a fellow fan and co-worker invited me to a lecture Mr. Palahniuk was giving at UGA. We showed up late and didn't have tickets, b/c the idiot I went with didn't know it was closed to non-students. So after shmoozing some locals we met a girl who broke her legs in a rather comical skiing accident who couldn't get in b/c Georgia laughs at disabled people, and she gave us her tickets. Anyway, after the lecture he does a brief Q&A session where smart aspiring writers and pretend intellectuals try to dissect his work while he sarcastically obliquely obliges them. At the end he says "ok, I can take one more question....uh, you there, in the back." Girl stands up and asks with no hint of irony or trace of self-awareness "Yeah, I was just wondering if you had any advice for future writers who want to follow in your footsteps?" The entire auditorium groans very loudly and Chuck demures. "Uuuuh, well....don't, uh...die. Yeah, that's about it."

/csb
 
2022-01-28 10:40:03 PM  
China: Movies done right.
 
2022-01-28 10:40:04 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Lumbar Puncture: AAAAGGGGHHHH: "Chuck Palahniuk, the author of the novel on which David Fincher's 1999 film "Fight Club" was based, has responded to China's censored cut of the movie, calling the edit "SUPER wonderful" and more in line with his original ending."

Wow! Did Chuckie spit or swallow after that huge amount of PRC knob-sucking??

It's literally closer to the book he wrote.

Oh no.

Wait until you find out Stephen King hates the original adaptation of The Shining.

Spit or swallow, Lumbar?


In a reference to your mother and the author

Choke.
 
2022-01-28 10:40:53 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Tabletop: Only in a society like ours where we don't worry about real bans of books could you call this issue a book ban.

That's not true at all. You can go to jail for possessing books containing certain content in the United States under the Federal PROTECT Act.


Yeah, I wouldn't personally characterize a ban on child porn a book ban either, but we all have our chosen causes.
 
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