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2022-01-28 12:38:39 PM  
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2022-01-28 12:52:46 PM  
Without a doubt one of the best football games I've ever seen and... I WANT MORE. I hope they both stay healthy so we can see them go after each other for years.
 
2022-01-28 12:59:31 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Without a doubt one of the best football games I've ever seen and... I WANT MORE. I hope they both stay healthy so we can see them go after each other for years.


They're gonna play in the regular season again next year
 
2022-01-28 1:16:12 PM  

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He did have 3 timeouts to work with.
 
2022-01-28 1:27:46 PM  

ZMugg: Cafe Threads: [Fark user image 425x423]

He did have 3 timeouts to work with.


13 seconds and 3 timeouts is like 7 minutes of real time.
 
2022-01-28 1:28:50 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Without a doubt one of the best football games I've ever seen and... I WANT MORE. I hope they both stay healthy so we can see them go after each other for years.


the NFL has to change the OT rules, right?

Didn't they tweak them last time, when either Favre or Rodgers, in a playoff game, didn't get to touch the ball?  we don't need the college rules of "8 OVERTIMES!", just, other team should get a chance.

and as much as I dislike Colin Cowherd, he had a great idea, re the randomness of hte coin flip (and this was years ago, maybe when they changed the rules):   "Hey.  Coin flip?  Hey, home team.  You were favored to win.  The othe rteam had to fly across maybe 1-2 time zones, had to adjust, sleep in a hotel, do walk throughs in the ballroom. You slept in your own bed.

"So.  If the road team comes to your house and ties, guess what?  You were supposed to win.  You didn't.  we don't need a coin flip.  Road team gets the ball first, period, end of story.  You couldn't beat them in 60 minutes of regulation?  Fine.  they get the ball first and if they score, game over."
 
2022-01-28 1:43:29 PM  

rickythepenguin: the NFL has to change the OT rules, right?


I'm all for something new. play out the full timeframe until the clock runs out... if it's tied again, play another shortened amount of time. But they definitely need a change.
 
2022-01-28 1:56:35 PM  

NewportBarGuy: But they definitely need a change.


the California Tiebreaker is very intriguing.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/01/california-tiebreaker-football-overtime-format.html

Irony being, this artilce is how Mahomes lost due to never gettting to the touch the ball, due to the randomness of the coin flip and Brady scoring a TD.

sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield, indeed.
 
2022-01-28 2:02:18 PM  

rickythepenguin: we don't need the college rules of "8 OVERTIMES!", just, other team should get a chance.


8 possessions, not 8 overtimes.  8 possessions is like a single quarter.  The college way is the best way.  This was the most exciting ending since Utah beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.  And it could have been more exciting than that ending if the NFL had a comparable overtime system.  Football is entertainment, and the college overtime system delivers entertainment in spades.
 
2022-01-28 2:05:58 PM  

rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Without a doubt one of the best football games I've ever seen and... I WANT MORE. I hope they both stay healthy so we can see them go after each other for years.

the NFL has to change the OT rules, right?

Didn't they tweak them last time, when either Favre or Rodgers, in a playoff game, didn't get to touch the ball?  we don't need the college rules of "8 OVERTIMES!", just, other team should get a chance.

and as much as I dislike Colin Cowherd, he had a great idea, re the randomness of hte coin flip (and this was years ago, maybe when they changed the rules):   "Hey.  Coin flip?  Hey, home team.  You were favored to win.  The othe rteam had to fly across maybe 1-2 time zones, had to adjust, sleep in a hotel, do walk throughs in the ballroom. You slept in your own bed.

"So.  If the road team comes to your house and ties, guess what?  You were supposed to win.  You didn't.  we don't need a coin flip.  Road team gets the ball first, period, end of story.  You couldn't beat them in 60 minutes of regulation?  Fine.  they get the ball first and if they score, game over."


I think that's the best solution I've found yet.
 
2022-01-28 2:16:48 PM  
Hard to believe "experts" are picking Bengals over Chiefs this weekend. Unless they're just trying to win some "See, I told you" glory. Mahomes is 6-1 in the post season. Never lost at home. Chiefs will dominate this game,,,win by 10.
 
2022-01-28 2:37:02 PM  

saintstryfe: I think that's the best solution I've found yet.


I've heard a handful of creative ways to change the overtime rules.  The one I kind of liked goes something like this:

Still have coin toss.  However, on the first possession over OT the clock starts at zero and counts up.  Then, if that team scores, the opposing team has to score in less time.

A touchdown still overrides a field goal.  For example, team one gets first possession and drives down the field in 3:20, but finds themselves in a 4th and long so they opt for the field goal.  Team two then gets possession and either has to kick a field goal in less time than 3:20 or they have to score a touchdown.
 
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2022-01-28 2:45:12 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: saintstryfe: I think that's the best solution I've found yet.

I've heard a handful of creative ways to change the overtime rules.  The one I kind of liked goes something like this:

Still have coin toss.  However, on the first possession over OT the clock starts at zero and counts up.  Then, if that team scores, the opposing team has to score in less time.

A touchdown still overrides a field goal.  For example, team one gets first possession and drives down the field in 3:20, but finds themselves in a 4th and long so they opt for the field goal.  Team two then gets possession and either has to kick a field goal in less time than 3:20 or they have to score a touchdown.


It's not the worst idea out there, but how are picks, defensive fumble recoveries, onside kicks addressed?
 
2022-01-28 2:45:37 PM  
We want the ball and we're gonna score!
 
2022-01-28 2:45:40 PM  

MizzouGuy: Hard to believe "experts" are picking Bengals over Chiefs this weekend. Unless they're just trying to win some "See, I told you" glory. Mahomes is 6-1 in the post season. Never lost at home. Chiefs will dominate this game,,,win by 10.


The Bengals did just beat us four weeks ago.

I'm optimistic, don't get me wrong, but to say Burrow, Chase, and Higgins can't pull one over on Ward, Sorensen, Hughes, and Matthieu is a little premature. As the saying goes, let's act like we've been there before.
 
2022-01-28 2:46:24 PM  
Funny -- I thought a game was both Offense AND Defense - and Buff's D was on the field and had the opportunity to stop.  They didn't.

Ain't the overtime rule that hurt the Bills - it was their own D not stepping up, or not expecting Mahomes to do his thang and just assuming Allen would get the ball.

Both O and D have an opportunity in overtime and stopping the ball from getting into the end zone, which was Buffalo's job at that point in overtime, was what they needed to do.  They didn't end up doing that, and the overtime rules had no impact on their ability to do so effectively.

/Chiefs bit it from that rule 3 years ago.
//Sucks, but our D didn't stop Brady that time either.
///ChiefsKingdom for the third slashie!
 
2022-01-28 2:48:18 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Still have coin toss. However, on the first possession over OT the clock starts at zero and counts up. Then, if that team scores, the opposing team has to score in less time.


that's kinda sorta the Calfornia Tiebreaker, except it uses yards gained vs. clock.  as i understand there is no clock per se.  From the 50, Team A gets a down.  Team B gets a down. (each team gets 4 downs).  Whoever has advanced the ball the most in those 4 yards, is the winner.  All standard rules apply - holding, PI, false start, etc.  It's just, "who gained the most yards, after 4 possessions?"  No FGs, but all pick six, blocked punt scoop and return, applies.  just a pure measure of who gained the most real estate, after 4 plays?
 
2022-01-28 2:53:10 PM  
How about we just do the coin toss to determine the winner and get rid of OT altogether? In fact, you really don't need the 4 quarters of regulation anymore either. Just a coin flip, and then everyone goes home.
 
2022-01-28 2:56:11 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: saintstryfe: I think that's the best solution I've found yet.

I've heard a handful of creative ways to change the overtime rules.  The one I kind of liked goes something like this:

Still have coin toss.  However, on the first possession over OT the clock starts at zero and counts up.  Then, if that team scores, the opposing team has to score in less time.

A touchdown still overrides a field goal.  For example, team one gets first possession and drives down the field in 3:20, but finds themselves in a 4th and long so they opt for the field goal.  Team two then gets possession and either has to kick a field goal in less time than 3:20 or they have to score a touchdown.


that feels complicated and busy. I don't need this explained like a Vince Russo match, I just want someone to take the ball, drive, and score or get stopped.
 
2022-01-28 2:56:32 PM  

151: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: saintstryfe: I think that's the best solution I've found yet.

I've heard a handful of creative ways to change the overtime rules.  The one I kind of liked goes something like this:

Still have coin toss.  However, on the first possession over OT the clock starts at zero and counts up.  Then, if that team scores, the opposing team has to score in less time.

A touchdown still overrides a field goal.  For example, team one gets first possession and drives down the field in 3:20, but finds themselves in a 4th and long so they opt for the field goal.  Team two then gets possession and either has to kick a field goal in less time than 3:20 or they have to score a touchdown.

It's not the worst idea out there, but how are picks, defensive fumble recoveries, onside kicks addressed?


This would only apply for the first possession. If the team with the ball first turns it over then it then just reverts back to first team to score.

Basically you're just trying solve the "give each team a possession" issue.
 
2022-01-28 2:58:37 PM  

BeatrixK: Funny -- I thought a game was both Offense AND Defense - and Buff's D was on the field and had the opportunity to stop.  They didn't.


Of course it is, but that often doesn't yield the most entertaining outcome. And in my opinion that should be the goal.
 
2022-01-28 3:00:32 PM  
Okay, how about this. Both teams' offenses get a ball at their own 25 yard line, so 75 yards to go. But they are on the field at the same time. Whoever scores first wins. The ensuing chaos at midfield will be a sight to behold.
 
2022-01-28 3:03:09 PM  
Two words, "squib kick."
 
2022-01-28 3:17:58 PM  

bhcompy: rickythepenguin: we don't need the college rules of "8 OVERTIMES!", just, other team should get a chance.

8 possessions, not 8 overtimes.  8 possessions is like a single quarter.  The college way is the best way.  This was the most exciting ending since Utah beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.  And it could have been more exciting than that ending if the NFL had a comparable overtime system.  Football is entertainment, and the college overtime system delivers entertainment in spades.


8 possessions by each team would be more like over 3/4 of an entire game, assuming OT possessions are like normal possessions, which they're not but good luck using any statistics otherwise to compare.

2021 NFL Standings & Team Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Those average to 9-12 drives per game per team, which gels with other stats I've heard quoted that 12 is near the average.  Also, in college OTs, don't they label each pair of possessions as an OT, for the first pair is OT1, next pair OT2?  So in college, the number of possessions by each team and number of OTs is the same thing.
 
2022-01-28 3:35:24 PM  

MizzouGuy: Hard to believe "experts" are picking Bengals over Chiefs this weekend. Unless they're just trying to win some "See, I told you" glory. Mahomes is 6-1 in the post season. Never lost at home. Chiefs will dominate this game,,,win by 10.


Winning by 10 is not dominating and being from Mizzou is, well, [can't say that word on fark] but short-bus evokes.  I would be to ashamed to admit to being from MO these days.  Mahomes is awesome.

Never bet on anything to do with the NFL except occasionally the over/under.
 
2022-01-28 3:44:59 PM  

K3rberos: 8 possessions by each team would be more like over 3/4 of an entire game, assuming OT possessions are like normal possessions, which they're not but good luck using any statistics otherwise to compare.


The average CFB televised game takes about 3 and a half hours.  The 7 overtime game between TA&M and LSU took an extra hour and a half over the average(so not even half the game time).  Most are far shorter, resolved in 1 or 2 possessions.  They also start at the 25 yard line, which keeps the possession time down.

I'm ignoring the 2021 rules that moved to a 2pt conversion shootout, btw, because that system is ass(but still better than the pros).
 
2022-01-28 4:22:07 PM  

rickythepenguin: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Still have coin toss. However, on the first possession over OT the clock starts at zero and counts up. Then, if that team scores, the opposing team has to score in less time.

that's kinda sorta the Calfornia Tiebreaker, except it uses yards gained vs. clock.  as i understand there is no clock per se.  From the 50, Team A gets a down.  Team B gets a down. (each team gets 4 downs).  Whoever has advanced the ball the most in those 4 yards, is the winner.  All standard rules apply - holding, PI, false start, etc.  It's just, "who gained the most yards, after 4 possessions?"  No FGs, but all pick six, blocked punt scoop and return, applies.  just a pure measure of who gained the most real estate, after 4 plays?


What's to stop a team from just punting on all 4 downs?
 
2022-01-28 5:00:38 PM  

mistahtom: What's to stop a team from just punting on all 4 downs?


......they'd be giving up possession.

and I think under the California rules, no kicking is allowed anyways.  I think.  but 4 straight punts, you can't do that anyways, re possession.

like, if Team A on possession 1, fumbles or gets picked, wherevery the ball ends up, whether 7yards beyond LOS (50yd line) or a catastrophic 45 yd return, Team B is awarded the number of yards wher ethe ball ends up.  Pick six?  50 net yards.  Team A has 3 more downs to "regain" those yards but after each possession, Team B can still, after a one-for-one possession, add to the yardage.

No timeouts, no kicks, just, "who gains the most damn yards after 4 alternating possessions?"  very intriguing.
 
2022-01-28 5:41:46 PM  
Romo: "Sir, the odds of successfully moving into field goal range in 13 seconds are approximately 137 million to 1!"

Mahomes: "Never tell me the odds!"
 
2022-01-28 5:43:28 PM  

ZMugg: Cafe Threads: [Fark user image 425x423]

He did have 3 timeouts to work with.


I can't believe this got lost in the kvetching about overtime.  How in the absolute fark did ANDY FARKING REID keep all three timeouts until the last 15 seconds of the game???
 
2022-01-28 5:46:18 PM  

bhcompy: because that system is ass(but still better than the pros).


College overtime is more often determined by the coin flip than NFL overtime by about two percentage points.
 
2022-01-28 6:01:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: ZMugg: Cafe Threads: [Fark user image 425x423]

He did have 3 timeouts to work with.

I can't believe this got lost in the kvetching about overtime.  How in the absolute fark did ANDY FARKING REID keep all three timeouts until the last 15 seconds of the game???


Right before the game, an assistant coach did this:
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2022-01-28 6:03:28 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Without a doubt one of the best football games I've ever seen and... I WANT MORE. I hope they both stay healthy so we can see them go after each other for years.


At this point the NFL should just set the amount of players the defense can have on the field to 9 men if Offense!offense!offense! Is the only thing people care about.
 
2022-01-28 6:07:24 PM  

rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Without a doubt one of the best football games I've ever seen and... I WANT MORE. I hope they both stay healthy so we can see them go after each other for years.

the NFL has to change the OT rules, right?

Didn't they tweak them last time, when either Favre or Rodgers, in a playoff game, didn't get to touch the ball?  we don't need the college rules of "8 OVERTIMES!", just, other team should get a chance.

and as much as I dislike Colin Cowherd, he had a great idea, re the randomness of hte coin flip (and this was years ago, maybe when they changed the rules):   "Hey.  Coin flip?  Hey, home team.  You were favored to win.  The othe rteam had to fly across maybe 1-2 time zones, had to adjust, sleep in a hotel, do walk throughs in the ballroom. You slept in your own bed.

"So.  If the road team comes to your house and ties, guess what?  You were supposed to win.  You didn't.  we don't need a coin flip.  Road team gets the ball first, period, end of story.  You couldn't beat them in 60 minutes of regulation?  Fine.  they get the ball first and if they score, game over."


Id let them opening coin toss decide things and make the coaches/teams deal with the repercussions of their decision throughout the game:
Winner of the coin toss gets to pick:

A) you get to receive the kickoff at the beginning of both halves, but you lose if the game ends in a tie.
B) you get to choose the side of the field you start on for both halves, but you win if the game ends in a tie.
 
2022-01-28 6:38:49 PM  

UNC_Samurai: ZMugg: Cafe Threads: [Fark user image 425x423]

He did have 3 timeouts to work with.

I can't believe this got lost in the kvetching about overtime.  How in the absolute fark did ANDY FARKING REID keep all three timeouts until the last 15 seconds of the game???


It's a Christmas miracle.
 
2022-01-28 6:52:55 PM  

Mentat: UNC_Samurai: ZMugg: Cafe Threads: [Fark user image 425x423]

He did have 3 timeouts to work with.

I can't believe this got lost in the kvetching about overtime.  How in the absolute fark did ANDY FARKING REID keep all three timeouts until the last 15 seconds of the game???

It's a Christmas miracle.


Reid has never had an issue wasting time outs in KC. He sure did with the Eagles, but I guess he learned that lesson.
 
2022-01-28 7:05:11 PM  

NewportBarGuy: rickythepenguin: the NFL has to change the OT rules, right?

I'm all for something new. play out the full timeframe until the clock runs out... if it's tied again, play another shortened amount of time. But they definitely need a change.


My idea I've been spewing on another forum for years is this...

Play the entire 15 minute(yes I know they changed it to 10 a while back) overtime period with 2 timeouts and a 2 minute warning for each team. Still tied after that... it's a tie for regular season, another 15 if playoffs. Maybe try to win the game before your guys get too tired to play the following week.

"Wah wah our guys are tired from 105 minutes of clock time football."
"Try winning sooner"
 
2022-01-28 7:39:06 PM  
Why is "Each team gets a possession, and if still tied, then sudden death" so complicated?  Leave everything else as is.
 
2022-01-28 8:33:33 PM  

UNC_Samurai: ZMugg: Cafe Threads: [Fark user image 425x423]

He did have 3 timeouts to work with.

I can't believe this got lost in the kvetching about overtime.  How in the absolute fark did ANDY FARKING REID keep all three timeouts until the last 15 seconds of the game???


I'm not sure how that happened. I guess he trusted everyone on the team that much. Or he forgot about them and was like, "Oh sh*t! I have all three timeouts and 13 seconds left."
 
2022-01-28 8:43:23 PM  

eyeq360: UNC_Samurai: ZMugg: Cafe Threads: [Fark user image 425x423]

He did have 3 timeouts to work with.

I can't believe this got lost in the kvetching about overtime.  How in the absolute fark did ANDY FARKING REID keep all three timeouts until the last 15 seconds of the game???

I'm not sure how that happened. I guess he trusted everyone on the team that much. Or he forgot about them and was like, "Oh sh*t! I have all three timeouts and 13 seconds left."


It hasn't been a problem since he's had Patrick, or really since Alex Smith's last year.* Once he had QBs that could pull off everything he wanted to do, he stopped freaking out and calling something else if the defense suddenly shifted pre-snap.

*The playoff loss to the Patriots when Smith was still here was the last REALLY egregious "old Andy" timeout mismanagement moment.
 
2022-01-28 8:52:33 PM  

perilsensitive: Why is "Each team gets a possession, and if still tied, then sudden death" so complicated?  Leave everything else as is.


And even then the loser would complain they didn't get the ball again and have a chance to tie again and then win the game with another possession.
 
2022-01-28 10:12:22 PM  

MizzouGuy: Hard to believe "experts" are picking Bengals over Chiefs this weekend. Unless they're just trying to win some "See, I told you" glory. Mahomes is 6-1 in the post season. Never lost at home. Chiefs will dominate this game,,,win by 10.


His record is 8-2 in the post season. 

The Bengals had not won a playoff game in 31 years. 
They had never won a playoff game on the road. 
Teams rarely win if they give up 9 sacks. 

Also the Bengals have already beaten the Chiefs. If the Bills can score 30+ on the Chiefs at home I assure you the Bengals can. 
The Chiefs gave up 21 to a QB that couldn't throw over 3 yards. Then gave up 36. 
The Bengals have not given up 20. 

All the pressure is on the Chiefs as well. They are still a 'dynasty' of one. If they don't make a SB this year their window closes further. You know how Gronk may retire due to his age? Kelce is the same age. 

The Bengals window is just now opening. Playing with house money. 

The Chiefs may win, but they will not dominate.
 
2022-01-28 10:17:24 PM  

pirviii: perilsensitive: Why is "Each team gets a possession, and if still tied, then sudden death" so complicated?  Leave everything else as is.

And even then the loser would complain they didn't get the ball again and have a chance to tie again and then win the game with another possession.


THIS

It's pro football. The teams are very evenly matched, especially in the playoffs. 
Play defense if you want to win. 
Better yet don't play for OT, and kick the ball short to burn 5 seconds. Then don't rush 4! They HAD to throw. Drop 9 into coverage and spy Mahomes. Bills win.
 
2022-01-28 10:26:21 PM  
There are some farking horrible ideas here. Some of you should probably think less.
 
2022-01-28 10:29:09 PM  

bionicjoe: MizzouGuy: Hard to believe "experts" are picking Bengals over Chiefs this weekend. Unless they're just trying to win some "See, I told you" glory. Mahomes is 6-1 in the post season. Never lost at home. Chiefs will dominate this game,,,win by 10.

His record is 8-2 in the post season. 

The Bengals had not won a playoff game in 31 years. 
They had never won a playoff game on the road. 
Teams rarely win if they give up 9 sacks. 

Also the Bengals have already beaten the Chiefs. If the Bills can score 30+ on the Chiefs at home I assure you the Bengals can. 
The Chiefs gave up 21 to a QB that couldn't throw over 3 yards. Then gave up 36. 
The Bengals have not given up 20. 

All the pressure is on the Chiefs as well. They are still a 'dynasty' of one. If they don't make a SB this year their window closes further. You know how Gronk may retire due to his age? Kelce is the same age. 

The Bengals window is just now opening. Playing with house money. 

The Chiefs may win, but they will not dominate.


How is the pressure on KC? Stop repeating hot takes.  Maybe it makes you feel better? Your paragraph seems rattled and shows the truth.

Projection.
 
2022-01-28 10:45:08 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: *The playoff loss to the Patriots when Smith was still here was the last REALLY egregious "old Andy" timeout mismanagement moment.


That was a hard one to watch as the Chiefs could play a faster style of offense but didn't actually play it until it was way too late.
 
2022-01-29 12:05:29 AM  

pirviii: perilsensitive: Why is "Each team gets a possession, and if still tied, then sudden death" so complicated?  Leave everything else as is.

And even then the loser would complain they didn't get the ball again and have a chance to tie again and then win the game with another possession.


No they wouldn't. The loser in this case, the Bills, haven't complained one bit. The OT rules only get brought up by viewers/media/etc.

The OT rules were originally changed to try and lessen the impact of the coin flip but it still has its flaws. Arguing for the defense to just make a stop is an old school mentality. If you can change the rules to offer a better product then why not entertain it?
 
2022-01-29 12:38:15 AM  

eyeq360: Incorrigible Astronaut: *The playoff loss to the Patriots when Smith was still here was the last REALLY egregious "old Andy" timeout mismanagement moment.

That was a hard one to watch as the Chiefs could play a faster style of offense but didn't actually play it until it was way too late.


Ugh. Yeah. Can you believe that in successive years we had:

That game
A playoff loss to the Steelers in which the latter didn't score a TD
A Marcus Mariota come from behind playoff win in which he threw a pass to himself
Blowing one of the largest playoff leads in history to Andrew Luck

All four of those were in the years leading up to this run. People wonder why this fanbase is still gun-shy about guaranteeing victory.
 
2022-01-29 1:10:16 AM  

MizzouGuy: Mahomes is 6-1 in the post season. Never lost at home.


Yeah, that's not correct.
 
2022-01-29 1:30:52 AM  

perilsensitive: Why is "Each team gets a possession, and if still tied, then sudden death" so complicated?  Leave everything else as is.


It isn't complicated but it isn't needed. The current system is fine.
 
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