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(NPR)   Mother of two; masks should be optional for kids in schools and child care - "As soon as you question 'Is it a good idea to put a 2-year-old in a mask?' you're suddenly a psychotic, anti-vax right-winger" - Have you tried not sharing those opinions?   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-01-28 10:29:18 AM  
This just in: One size rarely fits all
 
2022-01-28 10:38:16 AM  
Asking the question isn't the problem.  Asking questions is the start of knowledge.

The problem is that you refuse to accept the answer you don't like.  You've already got an answer for your question in your head, and no amount of actual evidence is going to change your mind.  This isn't 'asking a question', this is 'looking for validation' and throwing a tantrum when no one will.
 
2022-01-28 11:15:11 AM  
Of course it's a good idea. On paper.  Implementing it is challenging.

My now five year old has been wearing masks for the last year and a half, but getting ones thay fit and stay on is not easy.
 
2022-01-28 11:16:23 AM  

Driedsponge: Asking the question isn't the problem.  Asking questions is the start of knowledge.

The problem is that you refuse to accept the answer you don't like.  You've already got an answer for your question in your head, and no amount of actual evidence is going to change your mind.  This isn't 'asking a question', this is 'looking for validation' and throwing a tantrum when no one will.


Some eople say there are no dumb question
Those are people who are stupid
 
2022-01-28 11:17:28 AM  
I thought the guideline was kids over the age of three
 
2022-01-28 11:22:56 AM  
We make sure our 3 year old wears a mask whenever she is outside, and we've been doing it since this all began. It's second nature to her now, she'll probably never know a time without masks.
 
2022-01-28 11:23:11 AM  
I'm totally not a right winger even though

And we should stop burdening little kids with protecting other people."

is directly out of the right wing playback.
And yes NPR I totally believe there are loads of Pro Vaccine people who are vehemently anti mask and this not just people claiming to be Pro Vaccine
 
2022-01-28 11:54:36 AM  

spongeboob: Driedsponge: Asking the question isn't the problem.  Asking questions is the start of knowledge.

The problem is that you refuse to accept the answer you don't like.  You've already got an answer for your question in your head, and no amount of actual evidence is going to change your mind.  This isn't 'asking a question', this is 'looking for validation' and throwing a tantrum when no one will.

Some eople say there are no dumb question
Those are people who are stupid


Agreed, but asking dumb questions and accepting the correct answers is what makes dumb people become smart people.  I don't fault someone for asking a dumb question, I've probably asked quite a few over the years.  I fault them for refusing to accept the correct answer in the face of sufficient evidence.
 
2022-01-28 11:58:17 AM  
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2022-01-28 12:12:29 PM  
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2022-01-28 12:16:31 PM  
I know this is going to blow some minds, but there is a no mask solution being tested right now. The results won't be in until mid-year, though:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59751702

Researchers hope the spray could help both as an early treatment and as a nasal mask to stop the virus spreading.

It could be applied "anywhere where you mix with the public in a crowded situation", lead researcher Prof Don Campbell told the BBC.
 
2022-01-28 12:17:32 PM  
Didn't the CDC answer her questions on their FAQ page?

Answer - Yes
 
2022-01-28 12:21:44 PM  
In the late 1800's, we had 1 Mary Mallon. Now we have millions of them.

We're doomed.
 
2022-01-28 12:24:15 PM  
Gotta say that I'm farking tired of sending my kids to school everyday with masks.
Find them, wash them, make sure you have enough and that they fit properly.
I get it. It's important. And my kids are farking troopers, slapping on those masks with zero complaints.
Normalcy seems so far away.
 
2022-01-28 12:32:38 PM  
My 3 year old wears a mask just fine. We get the Korean KF94s. They're designed for little kids so they're comfortable and fit well.  I tie a knot in the ear loops for him and his 5 year old brother to get an extra good fit but they both like them.

We are in virtual school (yay being immunocompromised!) So he doesn't need to wear them everyday but we use them any time we go anywhere and they've been great.

They were more reasonably priced a month ago, but I stocked up then so we're good for awhile.
 
2022-01-28 12:35:18 PM  
And to add, there's no normal for us either. I wish he could go to in person school, but with being immunocompromised, especially with the new variant we just can't.

Its been a long hard 2 years of this and more to come for us since the level that's safe for us is a lot harder to get to.
 
2022-01-28 12:45:35 PM  

ZMugg: In the late 1800's, we had 1 Mary Mallon. Now we have millions of them.

We're doomed.


Republicans wish we could go back to the fifties when America was great
You know when through a large public health initiative nearly everyone got vaccinated against Polio and made iron lungs into a historic relic

Also back in Typhoid Mary's day no one wore masks not even surgeons
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I'd ask if this is what they want to go back to. But note the open racism being accepted and I fear the answer would be yes
 
2022-01-28 1:15:24 PM  
Meanwhile, in Hong Kong...

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2022-01-28 1:22:06 PM  

spongeboob: Some people say there are no dumb question
Those are people who are stupid


The phrasing I like is:

The folks who say there are no dumb questions are the ones that end up asking them
 
2022-01-28 1:24:30 PM  
I don't know. I saw a headline last week teasing an article about a three year old being put on a vent. It quoted his last words as being an apology to his mother, and telling her he was scared. I couldn't force myself to read it. Maybe it was bullshiat. I hope it was, because I can't imagine having that conversation with my child because I was too lazy or stupid or edgy to make her wear a mask.
 
2022-01-28 1:29:26 PM  

Driedsponge: Asking the question isn't the problem.  Asking questions is the start of knowledge.

The problem is that you refuse to accept the answer you don't like.  You've already got an answer for your question in your head, and no amount of actual evidence is going to change your mind.  This isn't 'asking a question', this is 'looking for validation' and throwing a tantrum when no one will.


This.

Though, I have to say it's a real pain in the ass to get a little kid (mine's 5) to wear a mask properly.  I can't imagine trying to get a 2-year-old to do it.
 
2022-01-28 2:28:14 PM  
My son is going to be seven in April and has had no problem wearing masks these past two years, in school or anywhere else. My daughter will be two years in a couple of weeks. We can barely keeps shoes and hats on her, let alone a mask. Our fingers are crossed for the third dose trial data from Pfizer for 2-5 year olds.
 
2022-01-28 2:51:29 PM  

fiddlehead: Gotta say that I'm farking tired of sending my kids to school everyday with masks.
Find them, wash them, make sure you have enough and that they fit properly.
I get it. It's important. And my kids are farking troopers, slapping on those masks with zero complaints.
Normalcy seems so far away.



do you send your kids to school with clothes on?  both socks every day?  because I'm not getting how a cloth mask in any kind of actual issue
 
2022-01-28 3:20:02 PM  
spongeboob:

Republicans wish we could go back to the fifties when America was great
You know when through a large public health initiative nearly everyone got vaccinated against Polio and made iron lungs into a historic relic


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2022-01-28 3:24:37 PM  

The Garden State: I don't know. I saw a headline last week teasing an article about a three year old being put on a vent. It quoted his last words as being an apology to his mother, and telling her he was scared. I couldn't force myself to read it. Maybe it was bullshiat. I hope it was, because I can't imagine having that conversation with my child because I was too lazy or stupid or edgy to make her wear a mask.


Even mild cases can change their lungs forever, maybe even the brain. Resisting masking is crazy talk.
 
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2022-01-28 3:27:17 PM  
I can sorta see why people don't want to mask kids. Masks can be uncomfortable and some kids probably won't swap out their masks for a clean one when they should; kids being generally dirty and all.

That said, if you don't mask them the choice then becomes letting kids become vectors and spread the disease around like crazy, or keep them home.

Masking is the least crappy choice; I'll be happy when it's not something necessary any more though.
 
2022-01-28 5:02:51 PM  
If you can't get a kid to mask, you suck as a parent.

Unless they have a legit medical condition that prevents them from masking.

My kids aren't particularly well behaved, but they wear their masks no problem.
 
2022-01-28 5:04:05 PM  
My GQP brother-in-law in Las Vegas refuses to get himself and his family vaxxed, which means they can't fly out here for my in-laws' upcoming 50th anniversary.

But his REAL complaint is that he'd have to keep a mask on his four-year-old to fly, and there's just no way he could do that.

Such a typical Republican -- all tough talk until he has to make his child do something, and then he's a total pussy.
 
2022-01-28 5:08:49 PM  

transporter_ii: I know this is going to blow some minds, but there is a no mask solution being tested right now. The results won't be in until mid-year, though:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59751702

Researchers hope the spray could help both as an early treatment and as a nasal mask to stop the virus spreading.

It could be applied "anywhere where you mix with the public in a crowded situation", lead researcher Prof Don Campbell told the BBC.


Options are good.  This would partially answer the restaurant dining issue.  The "partially" means I know it doesn't do anything about the mouth.
 
2022-01-28 8:03:42 PM  
hobnail:

We put them on our 3-year old and tie the ear loops in a knot to fit better. She's good about wearing it for an hour and then she has to take it off... every time we pick her up from daycare none of the kids are wearing masks anymore by the end of the day.

/Mrs. kozlo says it's only a matter of time at this point
//ugh
///this country is full of mf morons
 
2022-01-28 8:25:27 PM  
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2022-01-28 8:28:35 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: fiddlehead: Gotta say that I'm farking tired of sending my kids to school everyday with masks.
Find them, wash them, make sure you have enough and that they fit properly.
I get it. It's important. And my kids are farking troopers, slapping on those masks with zero complaints.
Normalcy seems so far away.


do you send your kids to school with clothes on?  both socks every day?  because I'm not getting how a cloth mask in any kind of actual issue


As it turns out little kids don't know any different so if you have them wear masks... they do.
 
2022-01-28 8:42:39 PM  
Thanks, NPR, for once again giving these psychotic assholes a platform.
 
2022-01-28 8:44:02 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: We make sure our 3 year old wears a mask whenever she is outside, and we've been doing it since this all began. It's second nature to her now, she'll probably never know a time without masks.


If we're going to have to wear masks forever, I'm just going to kill myself. There's no point, then, since I can't really do my job under these conditions.
 
2022-01-28 8:48:24 PM  
PhD molecular biologist here, have worked in academia and now industry.  Studied molecular evolution for 27 or 28 years now, worked in RNA medicine for 12.  Card carrying left winger.  Vaxxed, boosted.  Ditto for the wife.  Both kids (just turned 8 and 11) fully vaxxed.  Both are good mask wearers and we live in a liberal bastion town in a liberal bastion state.  We're careful people.  Both kids got Covid last week.  Neither had any serious symptoms; one had none at all.  Neither me nor the wife have managed to catch it despite being in the same home with the kids.  Vaccines work, and omicron is pretty damned wimpy if you're protected.  Future variants should continue to evolve towards decreased virulence aka cold virus status.
Enough panic.  Almost every family I know has had at least one member lately with a similar track.  I know this isn't a popular viewpoint on Fark, but we're just about to the point where we can all go back to living like pre-pandemic times now, and let the remaining unvaccinated folks dwindle off one way or the other.

/CSB?
 
2022-01-28 9:24:22 PM  

kozlo: hobnail:

We put them on our 3-year old and tie the ear loops in a knot to fit better. She's good about wearing it for an hour and then she has to take it off... every time we pick her up from daycare none of the kids are wearing masks anymore by the end of the day.


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/If I was in the daycare industry, I would've re-branded daycares/preschools as "Ninja Academy" or somesuch at the start of all this.
//Kids love costumes.
 
2022-01-29 5:20:05 AM  

spongeboob: I'm totally not a right winger even though

And we should stop burdening little kids with protecting other people."

is directly out of the right wing playback.
And yes NPR I totally believe there are loads of Pro Vaccine people who are vehemently anti mask and this not just people claiming to be Pro Vaccine


Did you know people on the right like french fries?

Better stop eating them. You wouldn't want to be seen to share an opinion with them, now would you?
 
2022-01-29 8:34:57 AM  

hobnail: Of course it's a good idea. On paper.  Implementing it is challenging.

My now five year old has been wearing masks for the last year and a half, but getting ones thay fit and stay on is not easy.


After a bit of work we've had no problem with a 3, 5, and 10yo.  We buy https://lutema.com/collections/made-in-usa-masks child masks and out little flexible plastic beads https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08C7YHYC4 on the ear loops to tighten them (as well as foam strips over the nose https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08743L1DD). The nice thing is they are child sizes and lots of colors.

Granted they still can skip down. I've thought about https://flomask.com/ which would be consistently tight for for the youngest.

Ultimately there are now high quality options for all ages.
 
2022-01-29 8:39:09 AM  

The Garden State: I don't know. I saw a headline last week teasing an article about a three year old being put on a vent. It quoted his last words as being an apology to his mother, and telling her he was scared. I couldn't force myself to read it. Maybe it was bullshiat. I hope it was, because I can't imagine having that conversation with my child because I was too lazy or stupid or edgy to make her wear a mask.


I saw the same thing and thought the same thing.
 
2022-01-29 8:51:06 AM  
The problem is parents who have been inconsistent or talked about masks being terrible to their kids. Of course their kids will complain. My kids complain about eating, baths, and sleeping because sometimes we don't make them eat all their food, let them take their bath in the morning, or go to bed late.

We've been consistent with masks. Masks in doors other than a few houses. Masks around other people except a few specific friends. The kids have no problems with it.
 
2022-01-29 10:41:28 AM  
I question how much masking is needed on kids under 5 or so. I really question if it's needed outside, and personally don't think they really are, in general, unless you are jammed together (ontario never mandated masks outside).

Of course, the key word here is question and mynkids, 8 and 12, wear masks ar school no problem and any time we go inside anywhere.
 
2022-01-29 11:21:57 AM  

Puglio: The Garden State: I don't know. I saw a headline last week teasing an article about a three year old being put on a vent. It quoted his last words as being an apology to his mother, and telling her he was scared. I couldn't force myself to read it. Maybe it was bullshiat. I hope it was, because I can't imagine having that conversation with my child because I was too lazy or stupid or edgy to make her wear a mask.

Even mild cases can change their lungs forever, maybe even the brain. Resisting masking is crazy talk.


greatgodyoshi: My son is going to be seven in April and has had no problem wearing masks these past two years, in school or anywhere else. My daughter will be two years in a couple of weeks. We can barely keeps shoes and hats on her, let alone a mask. Our fingers are crossed for the third dose trial data from Pfizer for 2-5 year olds.


Little kids are going to have a rougher time with masks than any other group. By the age of about 5 or so, most kids can keep their clothes, shoes and a mask on, stand in a line and that sort of thing. Two and three-year olds are a different story - they still tend to resist being confined. It's not unusual for 2 and 3-year olds to habitually whip their clothes off and run naked around the house. Most adults want to as well...we've just learned to resist the urge. Masks are just another type of clothing.

I don't have any kids, but as far as a toddler wearing a mask for an extended period of time, I'd be a little worried about monitoring them to make sure they're not overheating in a hot climate or getting too much moisture building up around their nose in a cold climate. I'd probably take their mask off while they're in a car seat even though it's a hassle to get it back on, so that they don't manage to somehow strangle themselves while I'm trying to drive.

I'd still have the kid do it while we're in a public space, and I'd work on training them to put the mask on themselves, as well as how to pick out a quality mask. It protects them somewhat, but more importantly, it gets them ready for an uncertain future. The next few decades are going to be rough, to put it mildly and most people born today can expect to see multiple pandemics which will require mask-wearing, frequent immunizations, sanitary practices and so forth.


BretMavrik: Meanwhile, in Hong Kong...

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Americans have a tendency to compare themselves to other cultures. If kids in Hong Kong/Singapore/wherever can wear masks neatly and uniformly, we can't we?  Well, maybe your kids can...but also remember that you're comparing yourself to a completely different culture, but all you see is a bunch of kids standing around with masks. You don't see how their parents raised them, what they had for breakfast, whether they went to sleep at a reasonable hour the night before, how they're taught to interact with their peers, etc.  All that plays into how compliant and calm they'll be when faced with new challenges.
 
2022-01-29 12:46:21 PM  
khatores:BretMavrik: Meanwhile, in Hong Kong...

Americans have a tendency to compare themselves to other cultures. If kids in Hong Kong/Singapore/wherever can wear masks neatly and uniformly, we can't we?  Well, maybe your kids can...but also remember that you're comparing yourself to a completely different culture, but all you see is a bunch of kids standing around with masks. You don't see how their parents raised them, what they had for breakfast, whether they went to sleep at a reasonable hour the night before, how they're taught to interact with their peers, etc.  All that plays into how compliant and calm they'll be when faced with new challenges.


As someone who has lived in both Hong Kong and the US with young children... thank you for educating me.
 
2022-01-29 1:05:49 PM  

BretMavrik: khatores:BretMavrik: Meanwhile, in Hong Kong...

Americans have a tendency to compare themselves to other cultures. If kids in Hong Kong/Singapore/wherever can wear masks neatly and uniformly, we can't we?  Well, maybe your kids can...but also remember that you're comparing yourself to a completely different culture, but all you see is a bunch of kids standing around with masks. You don't see how their parents raised them, what they had for breakfast, whether they went to sleep at a reasonable hour the night before, how they're taught to interact with their peers, etc.  All that plays into how compliant and calm they'll be when faced with new challenges.

As someone who has lived in both Hong Kong and the US with young children... thank you for educating me.


Well then you already know the parenting philosophies tend to be different, so I don't have to tell you the outcomes are often different.
 
2022-01-29 5:52:54 PM  

hobnail: Of course it's a good idea. On paper.  Implementing it is challenging.

My now five year old has been wearing masks for the last year and a half, but getting ones thay fit and stay on is not easy.


staples.
 
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