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917 clicks; posted to Business » on 28 Jan 2022 at 5:05 PM (15 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-01-28 12:41:50 PM  
When some brainiac comes up with a way to turn usable energy into a currency flip me a few ergs.

They will be able to afford it.
 
2022-01-28 5:36:44 PM  
I just got my big dick energy bill. I dunno if I can afford it anymore.
 
2022-01-28 5:51:07 PM  
It's because not enough truck drivers to haul our electricity from the generation plant to the substation.
 
2022-01-28 6:29:15 PM  
I hadn't noticed the solar panels on my roof acting any differently...
 
2022-01-28 7:05:04 PM  
Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?
 
2022-01-28 7:07:55 PM  
yeah, Red Bull is up to like 5 bucks.
 
2022-01-28 7:35:00 PM  
I've started bottling my flatulence.
 
2022-01-28 7:54:08 PM  

valkore: Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?

 
2022-01-28 7:54:36 PM  
Thanks Web3! I hated web 2 and this is even crappier.

/He said
//posting on Fark
///like some idiot
 
2022-01-28 8:02:21 PM  

valkore: Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?


The scores of environmental pressure groups that would lose their minds and storm Congress and the state legislatures. Or would that be politics?
 
2022-01-28 8:08:25 PM  

valkore: Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?


It would need to be close to a lake or river, and there needs to be emergency services close by.

Plus there's the transmission lines, which lose some of the electricity they carry. While this loss can be reduced by improving the power lines and through other technological advances, it cannot be completely eliminated due to the physics involved, and this loss increases with distance. No matter how remote and sparsely-populated the location of a nuclear power plant, the plant cannot be too far away from the city(ies) it will power.

And the terrain between the nuke plant and the city has to be considered as well. Nobody's gonna build a set of powerlines from North Dakota to Los Angeles any time soon, with the Rocky Mountains in between.
 
2022-01-28 8:33:23 PM  
Tell me about it. My 2000 square foot mansion's heating bill was ~$240 last month. It hasn't even been that cold. Can't wait to see what next month's bill will be.
 
2022-01-28 8:38:39 PM  

valkore: Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?


Because nobody has ever built one? Because it would take decades to get one (just one!) running right and billions of dollars, while it would actually be cheaper and faster to build solar and wind power? With the money we save we can build battery and pumped hydro storage - and will still come out ahead.

Nuclear is a posture rather than a viable alternative.
 
2022-01-28 8:50:09 PM  

adamatari: valkore: Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?

Because nobody has ever built one? Because it would take decades to get one (just one!) running right and billions of dollars, while it would actually be cheaper and faster to build solar and wind power? With the money we save we can build battery and pumped hydro storage - and will still come out ahead.

Nuclear is a posture rather than a viable alternative.


I think Russia has a couple. Nuclear is a SUPER viable source of energy. It's like an express version of solar. And doesn't turn off at night.
 
2022-01-28 9:06:14 PM  

JRoo: I just got my big dick energy bill. I dunno if I can afford it anymore.


Good news, competition in that market is pretty stiff, and analysts are predicting a period of deflation.

Just thought you'd appreciate the heads up.
 
2022-01-28 11:07:22 PM  
The gas bills around here all have a $15 surcharge on them because of what happened in February.

/ Thanks a farking lot, Texas.
// 1000 miles to Austin.
 
2022-01-28 11:29:44 PM  

jjorsett: valkore: Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?

The scores of environmental pressure groups that would lose their minds and storm Congress and the state legislatures. Or would that be politics?


Uranium shielded congressional buildings
 
2022-01-29 1:25:09 AM  

majestic: Tell me about it. My 2000 square foot mansion's heating bill was ~$240 last month. It hasn't even been that cold. Can't wait to see what next month's bill will be.


That seems really high. Mine is less than that and it has been colder than usual this year, constantly.

We pay about 5 USD for a gallon of kerosene/heating oil. And our electricity is about 30 cents per kWh.

We have been using the woodstove for a lot of heating, but not as much as in a typical year.

Even adjusting for floor area you are about 30% or so higher than we are.
 
2022-01-29 1:38:30 AM  
For all of the nuclear debate that we get into on FARK, the discussions seem to fall into a rut when they come to the nuclear status quo.

Safety concerns and long lead times for construction and waste storage get trotted out, and discussion stops. These three concerns, which can all be dismissed if critiqued objectively or on a relative basis, have stalled nuclear development in many countries. They do not seem to be a huge problem preventing the Chinese and others from pushing ahead. Or the Navy.

There is no particular reason things have to be stalled in the US. I am not an expert on the nuclear power plants used in US Navy vessels, but they seem to have a great safety record, a very short lead time for construction, very long records of operation, etc. Just offhand, I have heard it said that an aircraft carrier can supply enough electricity for 100,000 homes and that it can go for 2 years without refueling.

People can quibble about the numbers a little, but that might be what we can talk about with gen IV nuclear plants. They can provide cheaper, cleaner, baseload power that can be scaled up or down.

The sooner we start, the sooner we get there. If this era of cheap capital is not enough to get people and utilities interested enough in solar and wind, and if baseload power is needed, it is time to start putting more capital into nuclear generation.
 
2022-01-29 3:42:07 AM  
Yo Dawg I heard you need more energy

/your dog wants more energy
 
2022-01-29 7:53:18 AM  

valkore: Politics notwithstanding, is there any reason to not construct a shiatload of Gen IV nuclear reactors in the middle of nowhere and backhaul the power lines to distribution hubs throughout the US?


The fact that nuclear power is the most expensive type of power generation kinda holds it back.

/cue "the new ones are better though"
//just not the Westinghouse new ones.
 
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