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(Yahoo)   You're the DA and your show trials of Immigrants arrested under "Operation Lone Star" aren't going well because your podunk county's justice system is overwhelmed and the judges keep giving defendants their rights? Simply replace the judges of course   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2022-01-27 6:12:26 PM  
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2022-01-27 6:12:49 PM  
For Texas, and Miss Lily.
 
2022-01-27 8:57:24 PM  
Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?
 
2022-01-27 9:18:12 PM  
Someone needs to get their radar jammed.
 
2022-01-27 10:14:42 PM  
How much is this costing Texas to keep these men in jail? Didn't think this one through.
 
2022-01-27 10:58:38 PM  
Took my employee to court yesterday for some citations he received when he crashed his car into a tree, harming nobody except himself. His brakes locked up and he lost control of the vehicle, went through a stop sign into the yard across the cross-street into a tree.

The tickets were for reckless endangerment, failure to stop at a stop sign and speeding. There were no witnesses.

So anyway, we're in for the arraignment and we're watching the judge call up each defendant. There were a lot of no-shows where the judge would say, "Summons...failure to appear...warrant" and "We can dismiss the charges with $100 court costs". It was a machine.

Right before my employee was called up he looks to me and says, "Do you have $100?" He's been out of work for two months now with his injuries. I gave him $1000 when it first started just so he could settle some things and not worry about the money so much. I said yes with no hesitation.

We get down to the cashier and pay and then go over to the other counter so we can get the paperwork indicating that the charges were dismissed. While we wait we hear the clerk say, "The judge is just sending everybody down to pay $100." We got there early, but by the time we got the paperwork we were looking for there was a long line of people looking to pay the court costs.

Sometimes these judges just pencil-whip through the cases for whatever the reason. I was happy that he wasn't discriminatory. Didn't matter how the defendants dressed or what race they were. He offered all of them the deal and looked to whoever the respective town sent down for approval and the cops and prosecutors all agreed with him.
 
2022-01-27 11:00:56 PM  

jaylectricity: So anyway, we're in for the arraignment and we're watching the judge call up each defendant. There were a lot of no-shows where the judge would say, "Summons...failure to appear...warrant" and "We can dismiss the charges with $100 court costs". It was a machine.


Just to clear this up because I didn't do it clearly...for the no-shows he said the first thing and for the people that showed up he said the second thing.
 
2022-01-28 12:45:08 AM  
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>Kinney County Judge Tully Shahan holds remote hearings in Brackettville, Texas,<

At first, I was going to make a wisecrack about Friday Night Lights or March Madness.  Upon closer review, given the pulse of the society in which we live, I shall refrain.
 
2022-01-28 1:39:58 AM  
That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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2022-01-28 1:41:25 AM  
I f*cking hate this country and I f*cking hate the way we bungled Reconstruction.
 
2022-01-28 1:42:27 AM  
Under the Texas program, women and children found on private land are handed directly to immigration officials.

So much for "equal protection".
 
2022-01-28 1:43:55 AM  

saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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I think it's just a wire hanging but we're 'end on' to it.
 
2022-01-28 1:46:16 AM  
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2022-01-28 1:51:40 AM  

Somacandra: Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?


Not real familiar with Texas trespass law, but:

Unless the trespasser is found within 100 feet of the boundary of the property, it's a class B misdemeanor and punishable by up to 6 months in jail. Texas Penal Code 30.05. If they are found near the boundary, it's a class C misdemeanor, which may not entail any jail time, though I'm not positive of that.

But it's only "criminal" trespass if there is notice that entry is forbidden or if the trespasser has been told to leave and doesn't comply. So lots of people with ranches put signs on their fence posts saying that entry is forbidden (that's what the "posted" sign is that you may see on a barbed wire fence).  But of course, it doesn't count if the trespasser didn't see the sign or if there was no sign.

So a lawyer who wants to really fark up the system can demand a jury trial for every defendant and make the government prove where the defendant entered the property and that there was adequate notice. But since they're apparently not giving people bonds, or bonds they can afford, that means the defendant has to sit in jail until trial, which could take months. Also, I'm not sure a Kinney County jury is going to be too concerned about the niceties of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt." So the DA gets a conviction because they offer immediate release in exchange for a plea, and the show goes on.
 
2022-01-28 1:53:26 AM  

saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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I appreciate your enthusiasm, but those are just some shiatty random wires dangling around their janky 3rd world courthouse.

However pointing out the wires does support the case that their court system is woefully underfunded since they can't even tuck in some loose wires.
 
2022-01-28 1:54:36 AM  
In some cases, prosecutors have been forced to release the men after holding them for months because they had not filed charges

And without a hint of self-awareness, conservatives will complain about all the money wasted by government social programs that aid migrants
 
2022-01-28 1:57:22 AM  

Somacandra: Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?


As for what they hope to achieve, it's making immigrants miserable by sticking them in a crappy county jail with shiatty food, poor medical care, overworked and underpaid guards, etc. That's what they hope to achieve. Same reason why Trump separated families from children: make immigrants so miserable that coming to the U.S. is worse than staying in Mexico or Central America. The joke's on them, though, because for some people. staying in Mexico or Central America is completely intolerable. Turns out that when things become intolerable in one place, people move from that place to a less intolerable place. You know, like how some people who are persecuted for their religious beliefs might cross an ocean and invade a place that's already inhabited, because it's better than staying in England?

It's pretty much the history of humanity.
 
2022-01-28 1:57:42 AM  

Somacandra: Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?


I must be the only person on Fark to have ever finished an article:

While a conviction for misdemeanor trespassing alone does not prevent a migrant from applying for asylum, "the purpose of getting them to plead guilty is to have this conviction on their record," said Anita Gupta, a staff lawyer at the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.
 
2022-01-28 2:18:03 AM  

Purple_Urkle: saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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I appreciate your enthusiasm, but those are just some shiatty random wires dangling around their janky 3rd world courthouse.

However pointing out the wires does support the case that their court system is woefully underfunded since they can't even tuck in some loose wires.


I've wired a couple of houses and can't imagine a way that you could work with wires that end up with a noose display hanging in the back of courtroom. But sure, its just poor funding.
 
2022-01-28 2:26:28 AM  
I suspect Subby's headline is the reason for electing judges instead of appointing them. "Let's make sure the tyranny of the majority always decides local matters! Failing that, campaign funding should decide rights."
 
2022-01-28 4:01:40 AM  
Texas is a shiathole country.
 
2022-01-28 4:17:48 AM  

haknudsen: Purple_Urkle: saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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I appreciate your enthusiasm, but those are just some shiatty random wires dangling around their janky 3rd world courthouse.

However pointing out the wires does support the case that their court system is woefully underfunded since they can't even tuck in some loose wires.

I've wired a couple of houses and can't imagine a way that you could work with wires that end up with a noose display hanging in the back of courtroom. But sure, its just poor funding.


Let's just split the diff and declare it an evil spirograph that summons 5th dimensional monsters who crave human flesh. Deal?
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2022-01-28 4:19:39 AM  

Somacandra: Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?


People fall down metal stairs in jail.
 
2022-01-28 4:21:20 AM  

MontanaDave: Texas is a shiathole country.


That about sums it up.
 
2022-01-28 4:30:58 AM  

haknudsen: Purple_Urkle: saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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I appreciate your enthusiasm, but those are just some shiatty random wires dangling around their janky 3rd world courthouse.

However pointing out the wires does support the case that their court system is woefully underfunded since they can't even tuck in some loose wires.

I've wired a couple of houses and can't imagine a way that you could work with wires that end up with a noose display hanging in the back of courtroom. But sure, its just poor funding.


That's a suspended ceiling with light fittings in it and, if built correctly, should have smoke detectors too.  There are two things which could be vents present, but they don't look like vents I've come across before.  The lights need power and detectors are conneceted with and sometimes powered by data cabling so the BMS (Building Management System) can locate alarms.  It's a wire, believe me.
 
2022-01-28 4:32:02 AM  
Oh, and in suspended systems it's good practice to leave a length of cable to work with in case you want to move a light or need to make adjustments you only have to trim one end rather than rewire the whole thing.
 
2022-01-28 4:36:50 AM  

Somacandra: Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?


It's enough to jail them 'temporarily'.
 
2022-01-28 4:56:38 AM  

cepson: Somacandra: Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?

As for what they hope to achieve, it's making immigrants miserable by sticking them in a crappy county jail with shiatty food, poor medical care, overworked and underpaid guards, etc. That's what they hope to achieve. Same reason why Trump separated families from children: make immigrants so miserable that coming to the U.S. is worse than staying in Mexico or Central America. The joke's on them, though, because for some people. staying in Mexico or Central America is completely intolerable. Turns out that when things become intolerable in one place, people move from that place to a less intolerable place. You know, like how some people who are persecuted for their religious beliefs might cross an ocean and invade a place that's already inhabited, because it's better than staying in England?

It's pretty much the history of humanity.


I cannot THIS enough, its true, it is easier to do this than actually fix immigration laws
 
2022-01-28 5:13:04 AM  

Purple_Urkle: haknudsen: Purple_Urkle: saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

[Fark user image image 625x426]

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but those are just some shiatty random wires dangling around their janky 3rd world courthouse.

However pointing out the wires does support the case that their court system is woefully underfunded since they can't even tuck in some loose wires.

I've wired a couple of houses and can't imagine a way that you could work with wires that end up with a noose display hanging in the back of courtroom. But sure, its just poor funding.

Let's just split the diff and declare it an evil spirograph that summons 5th dimensional monsters who crave human flesh. Deal?
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When you're living in the sixth fifth dimension, things get rough.
 
2022-01-28 5:48:40 AM  
Non-citizens still enjoy rights under the U.S. Constitution (absent the right to vote or serve in the military except with dispensation).
 
2022-01-28 6:33:38 AM  
This is the beginning of the process that results in a Final Solution.  They just need to de-humanize the immigrants a little more and they'll be free to do whatever they need to get rid of the problem.
 
2022-01-28 6:51:37 AM  

ShutterGirl: cepson: Somacandra: Isn't trespassing just a local misdemeanor? What would they hope to achieve with small misdemeanors?

As for what they hope to achieve, it's making immigrants miserable by sticking them in a crappy county jail with shiatty food, poor medical care, overworked and underpaid guards, etc. That's what they hope to achieve. Same reason why Trump separated families from children: make immigrants so miserable that coming to the U.S. is worse than staying in Mexico or Central America. The joke's on them, though, because for some people. staying in Mexico or Central America is completely intolerable. Turns out that when things become intolerable in one place, people move from that place to a less intolerable place. You know, like how some people who are persecuted for their religious beliefs might cross an ocean and invade a place that's already inhabited, because it's better than staying in England?

It's pretty much the history of humanity.

I cannot THIS enough, its true, it is easier to do this than actually fix immigration laws


While it may be easier to do this than fix immigration laws*, doing this is completely pointless.  This isn't enough of a deterrent to reduce immigrant numbers.

Now, something like the combination of title 42 and MPP did manage that under Trump (and his family separation plans would have done so as well had he not run out of ICE beds so quickly that he couldn't even do it much, statistically speaking).  That isn't to say I approve of using draconian policies to reduce immigration, merely to contrast how a policy like that can actually achieve it's goal vs something like this which is just going to drain the fark out of a small county's resources.  And for what? Most of those immigrants aren't staying in the asshole of Texas anyway, so it doesn't serve any of the county's needs.


*the problem with saying you want to fix immigration laws is that while a large portion of the population loves to say things like "I'm in favor of legal immigration and not illegal immigration" they also simultaneously want significant limitations on who and how many can legally immigrate.  Then you've got the solid third who vocally doesn't want brown people at all.  How do you fix that law in a country that is not only supposed to be somewhat democratic, but is skewed in favor of the shiatstains via the senate? The answer is that you cannot.  Fixing immigration is a pie in the sky offer that progressives and moderates like to trot out, and they do so in predictably disingenuous ways, using catch phrases that mean all things to all people, and with the secure knowledge they'll never actually be called on to write a bill, much less propose one.

And so we will continue to wild swings in executive policy driving our immigration, and that is going to mean when things get less draconian immigration numbers go up, and vice versa.  Biden's choice to further limit title 42 and slow walk mpp encourages anyone with a brain to try to get in now while the getting is good/better than it may be in a couple more years.  And that's ok. But it is the reality, and there isn't a fix unless a POTUS has the balls to come out and try to offer unlimited refugee status across the board. But I don't see that happening.
 
2022-01-28 7:15:28 AM  

saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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I've installed many ceiling speakers. When I am pulling wires, I leave loops hanging out of whatever tile they go in, so I can come back and install the speaker/mic/camera/ect.

It's probably something being worked on.
 
2022-01-28 7:59:07 AM  
More than 2,500 migrants have been arrested on trespassing charges, all of them men. (Under the Texas program, women and children found on private land are handed directly to immigration officials.) About 900 are still being held in state prisons.

Oh look, family separation.
 
2022-01-28 8:36:35 AM  

saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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As someone who shared a building with a court for a few years, yes, that could be an accident.  The judge didn't want to put any of his operating budget towards building maintenance, my department didn't want to put a dime of our budget into the court side of the building, so the court looked like crap.  "Just speed through the courtroom" was our janitor's instructions, since the janitor had more important things to do in our side of the building and the court didn't have its own janitor.
 
2022-01-28 8:41:19 AM  

haknudsen: Purple_Urkle: saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

[Fark user image image 625x426]

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but those are just some shiatty random wires dangling around their janky 3rd world courthouse.

However pointing out the wires does support the case that their court system is woefully underfunded since they can't even tuck in some loose wires.

I've wired a couple of houses and can't imagine a way that you could work with wires that end up with a noose display hanging in the back of courtroom. But sure, its just poor funding.


It's a shiatty suspended ceiling that is opened with a yellow ethernet cable looping out.  Did Q send you?  Get some air, buddy.
 
2022-01-28 9:20:22 AM  
Sorry Sir.  I'm doing my best.
 
2022-01-28 9:59:25 AM  

saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

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It just looks like a sloppily installed CAT-5 network cable to me.
 
2022-01-28 10:05:42 AM  
Chances are all or most of them are in fact guilty of trespassing on to some guy's ranch.  This is an interesting anti-immigrant tactic that I can't really find a legal problem with.  You can't argue that the state is enforcing immigration laws the Feds should be because they aren't being charged with immigration violations.

Sounds like they set it up in a very sloppy way, and when said sloppiness resulted in delays, tried to violate the defendants rights.  But the general concept is valid.
 
2022-01-28 10:23:56 AM  

jaylectricity: Took my employee to court yesterday for some citations he received when he crashed his car into a tree, harming nobody except himself. His brakes locked up and he lost control of the vehicle, went through a stop sign into the yard across the cross-street into a tree.

The tickets were for reckless endangerment, failure to stop at a stop sign and speeding. There were no witnesses.

So anyway, we're in for the arraignment and we're watching the judge call up each defendant. There were a lot of no-shows where the judge would say, "Summons...failure to appear...warrant" and "We can dismiss the charges with $100 court costs". It was a machine.

Right before my employee was called up he looks to me and says, "Do you have $100?" He's been out of work for two months now with his injuries. I gave him $1000 when it first started just so he could settle some things and not worry about the money so much. I said yes with no hesitation.

We get down to the cashier and pay and then go over to the other counter so we can get the paperwork indicating that the charges were dismissed. While we wait we hear the clerk say, "The judge is just sending everybody down to pay $100." We got there early, but by the time we got the paperwork we were looking for there was a long line of people looking to pay the court costs.

Sometimes these judges just pencil-whip through the cases for whatever the reason. I was happy that he wasn't discriminatory. Didn't matter how the defendants dressed or what race they were. He offered all of them the deal and looked to whoever the respective town sent down for approval and the cops and prosecutors all agreed with him.


Doesn't mean much if you don't have the $100.  Good thing you were there for your employee, or he would have been up the creek.
 
2022-01-28 5:54:03 PM  

Purple_Urkle: haknudsen: Purple_Urkle: saturn badger: That noose-like object can't be an accident, can it? I see some tiles are missing but that wire is easily tucked back into the ceiling.

[Fark user image image 625x426]

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but those are just some shiatty random wires dangling around their janky 3rd world courthouse.

However pointing out the wires does support the case that their court system is woefully underfunded since they can't even tuck in some loose wires.

I've wired a couple of houses and can't imagine a way that you could work with wires that end up with a noose display hanging in the back of courtroom. But sure, its just poor funding.

Let's just split the diff and declare it an evil spirograph that summons 5th dimensional monsters who crave human flesh. Deal?
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It's actually one of the judge's nut hairs - ala C Thomas.
 
2022-01-28 8:57:24 PM  

Not again 5: jaylectricity: Took my employee to court yesterday for some citations he received when he crashed his car into a tree, harming nobody except himself. His brakes locked up and he lost control of the vehicle, went through a stop sign into the yard across the cross-street into a tree.

The tickets were for reckless endangerment, failure to stop at a stop sign and speeding. There were no witnesses.

So anyway, we're in for the arraignment and we're watching the judge call up each defendant. There were a lot of no-shows where the judge would say, "Summons...failure to appear...warrant" and "We can dismiss the charges with $100 court costs". It was a machine.

Right before my employee was called up he looks to me and says, "Do you have $100?" He's been out of work for two months now with his injuries. I gave him $1000 when it first started just so he could settle some things and not worry about the money so much. I said yes with no hesitation.

We get down to the cashier and pay and then go over to the other counter so we can get the paperwork indicating that the charges were dismissed. While we wait we hear the clerk say, "The judge is just sending everybody down to pay $100." We got there early, but by the time we got the paperwork we were looking for there was a long line of people looking to pay the court costs.

Sometimes these judges just pencil-whip through the cases for whatever the reason. I was happy that he wasn't discriminatory. Didn't matter how the defendants dressed or what race they were. He offered all of them the deal and looked to whoever the respective town sent down for approval and the cops and prosecutors all agreed with him.

Doesn't mean much if you don't have the $100.  Good thing you were there for your employee, or he would have been up the creek.


You're wrong about that, too. If you take the deal the judge asks if you can pay today. If you can't he'll say, "Can you pay in a week?" They'll give you a lot of time to get the money together. One man said he could pay next week and the Judge told him if a week went by and he couldn't pay to give the court a call and they'd extend the time. It only becomes an issue if you don't pay and you don't communicate.
 
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