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2022-01-27 5:54:49 PM  
The unwavering ignorance is something to behold. They don't even have to prove it because they "just know it."
 
2022-01-27 6:41:36 PM  
His neighbor, Jason Wolter, is a thoughtful, broad-shouldered Lutheran pastor who reads widely and measures his words carefully. He also suspects Democrats are using the coronavirus pandemic as a political tool, doubts President Joe Biden was legitimately elected and is certain that COVID-19 vaccines kill people. an idiot.

There. Fixed.
 
2022-01-27 8:41:14 PM  

Shostie: His neighbor, Jason Wolter, is a thoughtful, broad-shouldered Lutheran pastor who reads widely and measures his words carefully. He also suspects Democrats are using the coronavirus pandemic as a political tool, doubts President Joe Biden was legitimately elected and is certain that COVID-19 vaccines kill people. an idiot.

There. Fixed.


Exactly.  Makes you question the agenda the reporter had by not treating these people like the cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs asswipes they are.
 
2022-01-27 8:41:53 PM  
That took a lot of words to say "We strive to take both sides seriously, even when the Republicans live in their own made-up reality and don't care if their actions kill other people."
 
2022-01-27 8:42:11 PM  
Local journalism needs serious help.
 
2022-01-27 8:42:40 PM  
And here comes the f*cking "news" to pretend both "sides" have equal merit.

"One half of town believes in gravity. The other half of town believes screaming the n-word while jumping off cliffs will let you fly. But who is right? 🤔🤔 How can we get to the bottom of this conundrum while respecting everyone as intelligent??🤷🏻🤷🏻"
 
2022-01-27 8:43:29 PM  

Peki: Local journalism needs serious help.


So do national and  international journalism
 
2022-01-27 8:45:53 PM  

DrowningLessons: And here comes the f*cking "news" to pretend both "sides" have equal merit.

"One half of town believes in gravity. The other half of town believes screaming the n-word while jumping off cliffs will let you fly. But who is right? 🤔🤔 How can we get to the bottom of this conundrum while respecting everyone as intelligent??🤷🏻🤷🏻"


Honestly, if more people screaming the n-word would jump off a cliff, this world would be a much better place.
 
2022-01-27 8:46:57 PM  
The 1996 Telecommunications Act was a mistake.
 
2022-01-27 8:47:19 PM  

Peki: Local journalism needs serious help.


"Additionally, Common Cause's Todd O'Boyle told The A.V. Club that 'election season is a gravy train for broadcasters,' as well, meaning that most local stations 'book record revenues for political ads.' According to O'Boyle, 'in many communities, voters are seeing more election content in the form of advertising than they are in the form of news reporting,' saying there have even been instances of local newscasts cutting their broadcasts short in order to air more political ads. With politics becoming increasingly polarized over the past 20-odd years, absence of objective local news doesn't help ease that struggle, nor does it make most people think that there's anything to be done anywhere close to home.

While some people -- especially younger people -- might say, 'who cares? I get my news from social media anyway,' O'Boyle points out that, 'the majority of news coverage, and particularly local news coverage, still comes from local newsrooms.' In other words, just because you saw some article about a police scandal on social media doesn't mean it wasn't uncovered by some intrepid reporter first. Additionally, says O'Boyle, 'a healthy news ecosystem' is essential if you want 'to cut through some of the viral nonsense that's getting passed around" these days."

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823
 
2022-01-27 8:51:23 PM  
Right wing propaganda has rotted more brains in the upper midwest than CWD ever has or will.
 
2022-01-27 8:52:06 PM  
"There are no alternative facts," Anfinson says. "There is just the truth."
But whose truth?



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People who ask that question like that historically don't play nice with the truth tellers. Much less Jewish unskilled laborers.

Fox has to be stopped. This disinformation industry is getting people killed. We have to restore the public trust or we're all going to die.
That the idiots will die before I and my family does is not comforting. Nor is the increasing likelihood I'll take some of them with me. Well, not comforting enough.

There's still time to change it. And we know there is. Are people actually that fat, dumb and happy about how things are? Can't be that many of them left in that state.
 
2022-01-27 8:52:26 PM  
It's hard to explain just how quickly some of the upper midwest went off the rails.  Swift County, Minnesota, the very rural Lake Wobegon county in the story?  Voted for Obama.  Twice.  By a 14-point margin in 2008 and 10 points just ten years ago.

And yet the story completely rings true.  It's hardcore Trumper country now. Confederate flags flying, riven by conspiratorial thinking.

Part of what happened was the turkey industry.  Jennie-O and Butterball.  Because the Minnesotans of the 1970s had very low birth rates and great schools, there was very little labor force for the giant mega-barn turkey farms and processing plants (not so much Benson, but Willmar and Alexandria).  Big business does what big business does, recruited Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hmong and Somali/Sudanese refugees and anyone else willing to do that work.

These towns, full of Norwegian immigrants 125 years ago, now mostly filled with their retired Karen descendants who moved back from the Cities after they retired, when faced with a couple hundred young immigrants lost their ever-loving minds.
 
2022-01-27 8:53:22 PM  

Shostie: His neighbor, Jason Wolter, is a thoughtful, broad-shouldered Lutheran pastor who reads widely and measures his words carefully. He also suspects Democrats are using the coronavirus pandemic as a political tool, doubts President Joe Biden was legitimately elected and is certain that COVID-19 vaccines kill people. an idiot.

There. Fixed.


The next line is just as dumb:

He hasn't seen the death certificates and hasn't contacted health authorities, but he's sure the vaccine deaths occurred: "I just know that I'm doing their funerals."

Imagine actually seeing the bodies pile up and still not believing it's real.
 
2022-01-27 8:54:15 PM  
well, that little town will just get smaller and be another dead end soon.  a town with 3k people, no prospects, and a bunch of olds who just hate that its not 1950 any more.  Pretty much the town I grew up in.  population was 15k in the 80's, its 13k now, and anyone who doesnt want to work at a minimum wage job, the city, or the auto factory isn't going to stay there.   Because theres nothing there.

We didn't even have a movie theater until i was a senior in high school (99), and it closed a decade ago.
 
2022-01-27 8:55:58 PM  
That's a lot of words to say that right wingers are fantasy, derp and conspiracy loving people that hate facts and don't actually have human morality. All driven by hate and stigginit.

It's just part of why it's against my beliefs to talk to or about them as if they're adult people worthy of being taken seriously. Treat them like the mentally deficient reprobate rejects they are and send assault teams with tranq guns full of vax out plague rat hunting.

Either way they should be marginalized and driven from human society.
 
2022-01-27 8:56:07 PM  
But whose truth?

Fark off!  The only truth is that people are dying in large numbers from C19, not from the vaccines.  That these idiots have bought into bald faced lies does not equal some alternative truth.
 
2022-01-27 9:02:02 PM  
My ignorance is just as valid as your knowledge.

Farking derpers - just go, as Darwin indicated.
 
2022-01-27 9:02:54 PM  
I have a graphic of this somewhere but can't find it right now.

You're supposed to respect other peoples opinion.

Their opinion:

3² = 6
 
2022-01-27 9:03:29 PM  
It's one world, and one set of delusions.

I'm so sad about what's happened to half of America. They're so butt-hurt and so scared and so completely insane.
 
2022-01-27 9:05:17 PM  

edmo: The unwavering ignorance is something to behold. They don't even have to prove it because they "just know it."


https://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem
 
2022-01-27 9:05:37 PM  

animal color: It's one world, and one set of delusions.

I'm so sad about what's happened to half of America. They're so butt-hurt and so scared and so completely insane.


Religion has taught so many people that belief trump's (ew) all else.  Then opportunist scumbags capitalize on it as needed.  It's a scourge.
 
2022-01-27 9:05:49 PM  

emersonbiggins: Shostie: His neighbor, Jason Wolter, is a thoughtful, broad-shouldered Lutheran pastor who reads widely and measures his words carefully. He also suspects Democrats are using the coronavirus pandemic as a political tool, doubts President Joe Biden was legitimately elected and is certain that COVID-19 vaccines kill people. an idiot.

There. Fixed.

Exactly.  Makes you question the agenda the reporter had by not treating these people like the cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs asswipes they are.


He's respecting their economic anxiety.
 
2022-01-27 9:10:00 PM  
It's sad.  Benson was once a nice little town.  Not very different from my home town of Bainville MT.  A few streets cris cross in the middle of the prairie.  We can discuss any number of attributes of the people who live in these small enclaves, but something has changed terribly in the past few decades.

It used to be I could go home.  And it was still "home" in all the best sense.  Aunts and uncles would have me over for dinner, we'd catch up on what little happened in the five years since I'd been there before.  The communities worked as units, life is rough out there and it's a bit easier if you work together.

But those days are long gone.  There is no place for a guy like me in those parts of the world.  

I'm ok with that, I am who I am and they are who they are.  But something I can't quit put my thumb on was lost.

Maybe it was just innocence.
 
2022-01-27 9:10:20 PM  
I grew up in a town like that in SE Montana, and that's not surprising in the least.  Some of the dumbest, most uneducated people you'll ever find live in those super small towns. They don't like your big city things like "science", "logic" and "facts".  their daddy was an ignorant sonofabiatch, so they will be too.

Now, on the flip side of that you'll never find anybody more willing to help somebody out than the people who live in those towns.  It's just unfortunate that they're too dumb to realize that they ARE helping out their neighbor by getting vaccinated.  But they relish their ignorance, it's what makes them who they are.
 
2022-01-27 9:14:13 PM  

phedex: well, that little town will just get smaller and be another dead end soon.  a town with 3k people, no prospects, and a bunch of olds who just hate that its not 1950 any more.  Pretty much the town I grew up in.  population was 15k in the 80's, its 13k now, and anyone who doesnt want to work at a minimum wage job, the city, or the auto factory isn't going to stay there.   Because theres nothing there.

We didn't even have a movie theater until i was a senior in high school (99), and it closed a decade ago.


Grass isn't always greener - the town I grew up in had 9k people in 1990, 39k in 2000, and 95k in 2020. All of that "growth" and "prospects" didn't do anything for the community. All it did was create huge amounts of sprawl in the shape of cookie cutter developments with no sidewalks connecting them so you have to drive absolutely everywhere. The old downtown which was a few square blocks of buildings from the early 1900s were all razed and turned into three story monstrosities with brewpubs and pizza places on the ground floor and "loft-style" apartments above.

Of course, it has gone full Trumper, too. Just because a place figured out how to attract the nouveau rich doesn't mean it's not a shiathole under the surface.
 
2022-01-27 9:18:32 PM  
"For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet.

But, I presume, much of his "research" comes from things he reads, unless it's exclusively from videos.
 
2022-01-27 9:20:11 PM  

runwiz: "For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet.

But, I presume, much of his "research" comes from things he reads, unless it's exclusively from videos.


Radio waves straight to his brain when he takes off his foil hat.
 
2022-01-27 9:20:22 PM  
""For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet."

Why do you trust what you read on the internet but not what you read in a newspaper?

/I already know the answer to that.
 
2022-01-27 9:21:14 PM  
It should be noted that the Lutheran pastor is Missouri Synod. They are not good people. It is not a good sect of Lutheranism.

The real old-school LCMS folks are such pricks that they refuse to acknowledge Luther's antisemitism.
 
2022-01-27 9:21:15 PM  
The virus doesn't care if you think it's fake, morons.
 
2022-01-27 9:21:51 PM  

rohar: We can discuss any number of attributes of the people who live in these small enclaves, but something has changed terribly in the past few decades.


At least one part of it was mentioned by the Gunner Joe in the article. "The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet."

Thirty years ago, the fringe was Paul Harvey.  Twenty-five, Limbaugh exploded onto the AM in towns like this.  Twenty, Fox News was gaining ground.  But it didn't stop there... gotta find the next bigger hit.  You've got guys like this spending those long, dark, Minnesota winter nights holed up reading the AR15.com message boards and the Daily Stormer.  (He says... posting on an internet chat board).
 
2022-01-27 9:22:47 PM  

Moose out front: ""For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet."

Why do you trust what you read on the internet but not what you read in a newspaper?

/I already know the answer to that.


Also "the farthest corners of the internet" is NOT where you want to go for reliable information.

These people seriously need to take classes that teach primary, secondary, and tertiary source analysis.
 
2022-01-27 9:29:59 PM  
That site is digital cancer, so I didn't read most of the story, but based on the first graf I'm not missing much. There aren't two versions of reality. There's actual reality and there's the stupid shiat Republicans say. We already know what the stupid people in America think because they won't shut the fark up about it. So for fark's sake, stop asking them. Just stop. Christ.
 
2022-01-27 9:33:27 PM  

Shaggy_C: phedex: well, that little town will just get smaller and be another dead end soon.  a town with 3k people, no prospects, and a bunch of olds who just hate that its not 1950 any more.  Pretty much the town I grew up in.  population was 15k in the 80's, its 13k now, and anyone who doesnt want to work at a minimum wage job, the city, or the auto factory isn't going to stay there.   Because theres nothing there.

We didn't even have a movie theater until i was a senior in high school (99), and it closed a decade ago.

Grass isn't always greener - the town I grew up in had 9k people in 1990, 39k in 2000, and 95k in 2020. All of that "growth" and "prospects" didn't do anything for the community. All it did was create huge amounts of sprawl in the shape of cookie cutter developments with no sidewalks connecting them so you have to drive absolutely everywhere. The old downtown which was a few square blocks of buildings from the early 1900s were all razed and turned into three story monstrosities with brewpubs and pizza places on the ground floor and "loft-style" apartments above.

Of course, it has gone full Trumper, too. Just because a place figured out how to attract the nouveau rich doesn't mean it's not a shiathole under the surface.


One thing i've noticed too, I always noticed how well maintained the homes on most streets were, even as a kid. And many really nice homes, built in the 30s, 40's, maintained for years.

These days theres more blocks that aren't nice, than are. Many of these old homes are in disrepair, though there are still city blocks that look great;  It tells me that there was old money there, and slowly there is less and less old money, and in another 20 years there will be no money.

I also couldn't see an influx of urban sprawl changing this, unless there was also an influx of careers that required critical thinking and young people who would find a good reason to live there.
 
2022-01-27 9:34:50 PM  
Wolter also knows that plenty of people write him off as a conspiracy monger. But he's far more complicated.
He criticizes conservative politicians for trying to make it illegal to burn the American flag, for example, and worries that his conservative opinions could sway what he sees as the truth.
He's a careful reader, in his own way, whose home library includes everything from Sophocles to "The Grapes of Wrath."

"For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet.
The answers are not to be found, he insists, in the Swift Country Monitor-News.


He's a pastor, right? I assume he's read the Bible, or at least parts of it. So he doesn't trust it? Normally, I'd say that's good, but I'd like to hear how he combines his distrust of everything he's read in the Bible with his work as a Lutheran pastor.

Also, I assume he advises his parishioners not to trust anything they read in the Bible? Otherwise, he's being inconsistent.
 
2022-01-27 9:35:10 PM  

meat0918: Peki: Local journalism needs serious help.

So do national and  international journalism


The issue is that most people of professional bent that could help are normal, and all the GOP and fascist have to do is have their assholes continually harass them until they give up and move on.
 
2022-01-27 9:37:11 PM  

fortheloveof: meat0918: Peki: Local journalism needs serious help.

So do national and  international journalism

The issue is that most people of professional bent that could help are normal, and all the GOP and fascist have to do is have their assholes continually harass them until they give up and move on.


From Timothy Snyder's On Tyranny:

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2022-01-27 9:42:22 PM  

Fart_Machine: The virus doesn't care if you think it's fake, morons.


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2022-01-27 9:52:12 PM  

phedex: One thing i've noticed too, I always noticed how well maintained the homes on most streets were, even as a kid. And many really nice homes, built in the 30s, 40's, maintained for years.

These days theres more blocks that aren't nice, than are. Many of these old homes are in disrepair, though there are still city blocks that look great; It tells me that there was old money there, and slowly there is less and less old money, and in another 20 years there will be no money.


As someone who believes strongly in historical preservation, this just crushes me. But what can you do? If people refuse to invest in their own properties, who else is going to lift a finger to improve them once they die off? I remember growing up seeing all of the old abandoned farmhouses from the early 1900s that were left behind as the land itself was bought out by the megafarmers. It really says something about a culture that lets that happen.

Interestingly, this same sort of process is taking place in Eastern Europe. The young people are all abandoning rural areas in places like Bulgaria and Spain, leaving behind only the elderly. Entire towns are becoming abandoned at the same time that cities are overwhelmed with people. In a just world we would have a much more egalitarian distribution of people and not concentrate so many in so few places.
 
2022-01-27 10:00:07 PM  

TheSubjunctive: It's hard to explain just how quickly some of the upper midwest went off the rails.  Swift County, Minnesota, the very rural Lake Wobegon county in the story?  Voted for Obama.  Twice.  By a 14-point margin in 2008 and 10 points just ten years ago.

And yet the story completely rings true.  It's hardcore Trumper country now. Confederate flags flying, riven by conspiratorial thinking.

Part of what happened was the turkey industry.  Jennie-O and Butterball.  Because the Minnesotans of the 1970s had very low birth rates and great schools, there was very little labor force for the giant mega-barn turkey farms and processing plants (not so much Benson, but Willmar and Alexandria).  Big business does what big business does, recruited Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hmong and Somali/Sudanese refugees and anyone else willing to do that work.

These towns, full of Norwegian immigrants 125 years ago, now mostly filled with their retired Karen descendants who moved back from the Cities after they retired, when faced with a couple hundred young immigrants lost their ever-loving minds.


Growing up in MN I had to move away to realize its much vaunted liberalism was an illusion maintained by segregation.
 
2022-01-27 10:03:00 PM  

gonegirl: It should be noted that the Lutheran pastor is Missouri Synod. They are not good people. It is not a good sect of Lutheranism.

The real old-school LCMS folks are such pricks that they refuse to acknowledge Luther's antisemitism.


Grew up LCMS, my mom married an LCMS pastor. Lemme tell ya, your absolutely right. I watched the pastor who gave me Confirmation classes go off the deep end about Democrats smearing a good man like Kavamagh just so they slaughter babies. It was, uh, eye opening.
 
2022-01-27 10:12:03 PM  
"I used to know all of my neighbors and now that's different. And I don't know what to blame for that."

I know it's beyond your comprehension but why blame anyone or anything?

Oh, right. I need to play the victim here. Got it.
 
2022-01-27 10:21:55 PM  

phedex: Shaggy_C: phedex: well, that little town will just get smaller and be another dead end soon.  a town with 3k people, no prospects, and a bunch of olds who just hate that its not 1950 any more.  Pretty much the town I grew up in.  population was 15k in the 80's, its 13k now, and anyone who doesnt want to work at a minimum wage job, the city, or the auto factory isn't going to stay there.   Because theres nothing there.

We didn't even have a movie theater until i was a senior in high school (99), and it closed a decade ago.

Grass isn't always greener - the town I grew up in had 9k people in 1990, 39k in 2000, and 95k in 2020. All of that "growth" and "prospects" didn't do anything for the community. All it did was create huge amounts of sprawl in the shape of cookie cutter developments with no sidewalks connecting them so you have to drive absolutely everywhere. The old downtown which was a few square blocks of buildings from the early 1900s were all razed and turned into three story monstrosities with brewpubs and pizza places on the ground floor and "loft-style" apartments above.

Of course, it has gone full Trumper, too. Just because a place figured out how to attract the nouveau rich doesn't mean it's not a shiathole under the surface.

One thing i've noticed too, I always noticed how well maintained the homes on most streets were, even as a kid. And many really nice homes, built in the 30s, 40's, maintained for years.

These days theres more blocks that aren't nice, than are. Many of these old homes are in disrepair, though there are still city blocks that look great;  It tells me that there was old money there, and slowly there is less and less old money, and in another 20 years there will be no money.

I also couldn't see an influx of urban sprawl changing this, unless there was also an influx of careers that required critical thinking and young people who would find a good reason to live there.


I think it's a combination of the homeowners being squeezed of disposable income/due to widening inequality and the renters not giving a shiat. I rent and I don't do a damn thing extra that I'm not required to by my lease. The landscaping is dying and a lot of the paint is chipped and cracking, but why am I going to provide free supplies and labor to someone that would slit my throat if I was late with a payment?

My home, I'd probably take some pride in, but these rent seekers can eat a dick.
 
2022-01-27 10:23:27 PM  

UltimaCS: Shostie: His neighbor, Jason Wolter, is a thoughtful, broad-shouldered Lutheran pastor who reads widely and measures his words carefully. He also suspects Democrats are using the coronavirus pandemic as a political tool, doubts President Joe Biden was legitimately elected and is certain that COVID-19 vaccines kill people. an idiot.

There. Fixed.

The next line is just as dumb:

He hasn't seen the death certificates and hasn't contacted health authorities, but he's sure the vaccine deaths occurred: "I just know that I'm doing their funerals."

Imagine actually seeing the bodies pile up and still not believing it's real.


And thinks the vaccines kill, not the virus.  We really need a comprehensive mental health system in this country.
 
2022-01-27 10:26:22 PM  
""For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet."

That's stupid. Believing anything the internet says as unvarnished truth? Yes reputable news sources that have been around for decades are all liars? When your head is up your butt that much, you end up with crap for brains. 

And everything has to be researched? Really? So... I have to show up in person to the Super Bowl in order to make sure the score is correct? I have to buy a Doppler radar to know what the weather is going to be? I have to drive around to verify there is indeed a backup on the highway? 

Stupid.

Besides, everyone knows the internet is for porn. 

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2022-01-27 10:36:31 PM  

Moose out front: ""For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet."

Why do you trust what you read on the internet but not what you read in a newspaper?

/I already know the answer to that.


does it rhyme with 'peefuzz bleezins'?
 
2022-01-27 10:40:18 PM  

Cafe Threads: runwiz: "For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet.

But, I presume, much of his "research" comes from things he reads, unless it's exclusively from videos.

Radio waves straight to his brain when he takes off his foil hat.


Is his name Billy?

Roger Waters - Radio Waves
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2022-01-27 11:06:47 PM  

runwiz: "For better or for worse I don't really trust anything I read," he says. The answer, he said, is research, probing the farthest corners of the internet.


Wait, what? I guess he only trusts "memes", or videos, or something.
 
2022-01-27 11:14:15 PM  

rohar: It's sad.  Benson was once a nice little town.  Not very different from my home town of Bainville MT.  A few streets cris cross in the middle of the prairie.  We can discuss any number of attributes of the people who live in these small enclaves, but something has changed terribly in the past few decades.

It used to be I could go home.  And it was still "home" in all the best sense.  Aunts and uncles would have me over for dinner, we'd catch up on what little happened in the five years since I'd been there before.  The communities worked as units, life is rough out there and it's a bit easier if you work together.

But those days are long gone.  There is no place for a guy like me in those parts of the world.  

I'm ok with that, I am who I am and they are who they are.  But something I can't quit put my thumb on was lost.

Maybe it was just innocence.


It was part innocence, and a lot of other things. Civility, for one. Used to be, you could have a conversation with a conservative and if you didn't like their racist or bigoted sh*t, they'd respect that and keep it to themselves. If you didn't want to talk politics with people, used to be they'd respect that and keep it to themselves.

For all the "CIVILITY!!" demands of the spineless liberals, the people who have really abandoned civility are the Republicans. I could not imagine seeing people walking around with "McCain 2008: F*ck Your Feelings" t-shirts. Not for Reagan, not for the Bushes, certainly not for Ford or Dole.

You simply cannot be around these people. They advertise their treason with bumper stickers, MAGA hats, or just shooting off their fat ignorant mouths 24/7.

We lost innocence, yes, but we also lost civility. We also lost something else that is hard to define. We all used to be Americans, or at least humans with some sort of shared experience. Maybe we all disagreed on abortion, or MLK Day, or legalization of marijuana, or tax cuts, or whatever, but at the end of the day your uncle, your father, your sister weren't actively voting against you personally. They weren't out to destroy your way of life. They weren't out to oppress your vote. They weren't out to kill you, either through anti-masking, anti-vaccination, voting against health care, or just supporting armed thugs tossing people into vans in the middle of the night.

I know people on here refuse to believe it, and I know people around the country as a whole refuse to believe it, but we are no longer one people, one nation. We aren't. The blue states and red states want completely different things and have different visions of what the country should be. And these are not slight differences, they are diametrically opposed to one another. We no longer even have a shared history. Red states want to bury the past and criminalize Critical Race Theory (by which they mean any discussion of race or historical reality) and want to emphasize American exceptionalism. Blue states want to study the past so that the inequities of the past are never repeated and want to emphasize American community, both within the nation and internationally. We no longer have a shared vision of economics.

We no longer even share a Constitution. Red states would interpret the Constitution in that the First Amendment doesn't apply to teachers or social networks or liberals. Red states would interpret the Second Amendment as an unregulated armed free-for-all. Red states would interpret the rest of the Constitution as they see fit to enshrine themselves a dictators of a White Supremacist Christian authoritarian state. Blue states would interpret the Constitution obviously differently. Even without any additional amendments, we no longer share a Constitution, not really.

Which is why, sooner or later, this union will dissolve. I know that people say that there are too many blue people in red states and red people in blue states, but those people are naive as hell. They don't realize that the Germans in Texas, the hillbillies in Appalachia, and the small farmers of the Carolinas didn't support the Confederacy any more than the buckskins of the Ohio River Valley, the gangs of New York, or the slavers in the border states supported the Union.

Laugh all you want, object all you want, but it will occur. Maybe not in my lifetime. Maybe after a Republican dictatorship. Maybe with a Civil War. Maybe peacefully. Maybe after a few decades like The Troubles in Northern Ireland. I don't know.

But we are no longer one people.
 
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