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2022-01-27 10:09:01 AM  
Here is a 10 minute video giving the background of the Ukranian crisis, by John Mearsheimer. This was given in 2015.

Ukraine crisis EXPLAINED in 10 minutes
Youtube 7zZwhGHeIYM
 
2022-01-27 10:57:59 AM  
Who f*cking cares what China says. I only care what they do. Their words are meaningless.
 
2022-01-27 11:49:16 AM  
No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.
 
2022-01-27 12:07:50 PM  
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2022-01-27 12:14:40 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Who f*cking cares what China says. I only care what they do.


What they say may signal their intent -- say, whether in the event the EU cuts off Russian access to SWIFT bank system transfers the Chinese are currently inclined to continue/facilitate Russian access to CIPS.
 
2022-01-27 12:36:25 PM  
China wants Russia to succeed in taking over Ukraine without the US/Nato going into all out war. If Russia gets away with low to no penalty China will go after Taiwan.
 
2022-01-27 12:37:22 PM  
No one wants a pesky war to upstage their virus-infested Olympics.
 
2022-01-27 12:37:41 PM  
Ukraine is weak!
 
2022-01-27 12:38:23 PM  
Not sure how this is a bad thing.
 
2022-01-27 12:38:51 PM  
I predicted some time ago that Russia and China would team up, but i certainly didn't think Ukraine would be the trigger. Weird.
 
2022-01-27 12:40:00 PM  

On-Farkin-On: China wants Russia to succeed in taking over Ukraine without the US/Nato going into all out war. If Russia gets away with low to no penalty China will go after Taiwan.


Actually they want the distraction so, as long as it doesn't go nuclear, war in Europe is peachy. They just worry that it will go nuclear because Vlad is on the razor's edge here, and if Russia loses he might end up like Saddam Hussein if he doesn't get out fast enough. The only other option is to go nuclear and, well, that f**ks over China as well.
 
2022-01-27 12:41:10 PM  
MAN, SHUT THE F*CK UP, CHINA.
 
2022-01-27 12:42:30 PM  
Doesn't China still have some of Gerald Bull's guns lying around.  Just aim them towards Russia  and lob a shell a day at them.  Claim ignorance when it blows shiat up in Russia. While at the same time saying the shells will cease when Putin leaves Ukraine alone.
 
2022-01-27 12:43:40 PM  

BeansNfranks: I predicted some time ago that Russia and China would team up, but i certainly didn't think Ukraine would be the trigger. Weird.


They haven't teamed up per se, but Beijing is worried Vlad might go nuclear if war does start and the Russians start losing. They'd rather it remain a useful distraction, but that fighting never fully develop. Not that they care about a war in Europe other than it being a fine distraction, just that nuclear stuff f**ks them over as well.
 
2022-01-27 12:43:40 PM  

BeansNfranks: I predicted some time ago that Russia and China would team up, but i certainly didn't think Ukraine would be the trigger. Weird.


Russia and China are already friends thanks to Putin back in 2001 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Sino-Russian_Treaty_of_Friendship
 
2022-01-27 12:45:50 PM  

On-Farkin-On: China wants Russia to succeed in taking over Ukraine without the US/Nato going into all out war. If Russia gets away with low to no penalty China will go after Taiwan.


Ukraine isn't the same as Taiwan. Japan will build and nuke the ever loving fark out of China if it invades Taiwan.
 
2022-01-27 12:46:23 PM  
China wants to see how Chinese weapons work in a modern conflict?  Let them go pick on Vietnam or India
 
2022-01-27 12:46:34 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: BeansNfranks: I predicted some time ago that Russia and China would team up, but i certainly didn't think Ukraine would be the trigger. Weird.

Russia and China are already friends thanks to Putin back in 2001 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Sino-Russian_Treaty_of_Friendship


China has no friends. China used to respect the Russian military, but not anymore. They surpassed Russians over ten years ago, and Vlad should be very afraid of China.

China owns most of the minerals in Siberia and intends to collect. Vlad sold the Russia's future out for cold hard currency.
 
2022-01-27 12:46:48 PM  
Oh I get it.  NATO vs Russia with China as the refs???
 
2022-01-27 12:47:23 PM  
I wonder how the Chinese version of Red Dawn ends.
 
2022-01-27 12:49:07 PM  

Jesterling: I wonder how the Chinese version of Red Dawn ends.


The get sent down.
 
2022-01-27 12:50:40 PM  
If Putin loses his army in Ukraine, the Chinese will have to bail him out.  They sound concerned.
 
2022-01-27 12:52:26 PM  
"[Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi] added regional security could not be guaranteed by strengthening or even expanding military alliances."


China isn't a fan of defensive alliances?! Damn it, I wish my fainting couch weren't stuck on a ship outside of Long Beach.
 
2022-01-27 12:54:13 PM  
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Has anybody checked on how the Russian and US missileers are doing?
 
2022-01-27 12:59:19 PM  

Decorus: On-Farkin-On: China wants Russia to succeed in taking over Ukraine without the US/Nato going into all out war. If Russia gets away with low to no penalty China will go after Taiwan.

Ukraine isn't the same as Taiwan. Japan will build and nuke the ever loving fark out of China if it invades Taiwan.


LOL. Japan has no nukes. They depend on our bases being there for a lot of their defense. Why would Japan care about Taiwan anyway?
 
2022-01-27 12:59:49 PM  
China will help out Russia where it is short staffed -- especially where Russia is guarding itself against China.  If it's on the actual Silk Road China's on it.  They don't want their trains shot out of the air like the Russians did  to the Dutch.
 
2022-01-27 1:02:10 PM  
"Oh, and by the way, the timing of our farking around in Taiwan is in no way related to this business in Ukraine.  .....  he. haha. Hahaha. ... BWAAAHAHAHA!!! Just kidding!  It's totally related!  Let's go Brandon!  (throws up gang sign)  Beijing out."
 
2022-01-27 1:04:04 PM  
My bet is China has made an agreement to aid Russia if sanctions are imposed as long as Russia waits to invade until after the Olympics so they both can get great worldwide publicity
 
2022-01-27 1:13:16 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Here is a 10 minute video giving the background of the Ukranian crisis, by John Mearsheimer. This was given in 2015.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7zZwhGHeIYM]


It's such an irony that nobody will spend 10 minutes watching this, because wallowing in ignorance takes no time at all.
 
2022-01-27 1:20:14 PM  
I think Po will be selling noodles with his dad to both sides...
 
2022-01-27 1:23:48 PM  

fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.


Russia is a net food exporter.

You're a chickenhawk.
 
2022-01-27 1:29:38 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.

Russia is a net food exporter.

You're a chickenhawk.


You know the United States has alot of food production capability, but the same problem as Russia, a bunch of wealthy oligarchs who hoard funds away from the people that could use them. That's why Russia has starving people the same as the United States, being a "net food exporter" only means some rich guy is making money off the export, not that all the people in Russia are sufficiently fed and/or taken care of.
 
2022-01-27 1:31:36 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.

Russia is a net food exporter.

You're a chickenhawk.


Da comrade Russia strong.

America like mouse.
 
2022-01-27 1:37:57 PM  

I'm an excellent driver: Nadie_AZ: Here is a 10 minute video giving the background of the Ukranian crisis, by John Mearsheimer. This was given in 2015.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7zZwhGHeIYM]

It's such an irony that nobody will spend 10 minutes watching this, because wallowing in ignorance takes no time at all.


The video makes NATO sound like the big bad only if you're ignorant of the fact that NATO's purpose is to keep Russian expansionism in check. It's defensive, not offensive. Unlike Russia, NATO isn't looking to change any borders. Like someone upthread said, no one wants Russia.
 
2022-01-27 1:42:13 PM  

abb3w: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Who f*cking cares what China says. I only care what they do.

What they say may signal their intent -- say, whether in the event the EU cuts off Russian access to SWIFT bank system transfers the Chinese are currently inclined to continue/facilitate Russian access to CIPS.


Yup. Authoritarian governments would love a viable, cross-border alternative to SWIFT since that's the heaviest sanctions stick Western governments can hit them with, and some are already in existence (although not nearly as widespread or reliable as SWIFT...yet). That's why relying on economic sanctions to punish bad actors alone isn't a terrific strategy - it only increases their appetite and effort to further bifurcate global financial systems and reduce their risk from future sanctions.
 
2022-01-27 1:56:11 PM  

fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.


China wouldn't mind possessing their natural resources.  Given relative population growth and economies, they eventually will without war, though.
 
2022-01-27 2:01:18 PM  

whidbey: Jesterling: I wonder how the Chinese version of Red Dawn ends.

The get sent down.


don't watch it
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/xiu_xiu_the_sent_down_girl
 
2022-01-27 2:08:46 PM  

chasd00: whidbey: Jesterling: I wonder how the Chinese version of Red Dawn ends.

The get sent down.

don't watch it
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/xiu_xiu_the_sent_down_girl


That's what gave me the idea.  Disturbing movie.
 
2022-01-27 2:21:21 PM  
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2022-01-27 2:38:22 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.

Russia is a net food exporter.

You're a chickenhawk.


Farmers like to get paid, Y'know. Don't pay them and raid their crops one year and they might not bother growing anything again until they get paid. You need a functional economy for anyone to get paid.
 
2022-01-27 3:30:22 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Here is a 10 minute video giving the background of the Ukranian crisis, by John Mearsheimer. This was given in 2015.


He's not wrong....but he was kind of glossing over:

* the main reason more countries aren't more closely integrated with the EU and Nato now, is that most of eastern Europe was occupied by the Soviets for decades after world war 2. Russia's argument of "hey we used to rule those countries, so they're not allowed to choose their own alliances" is a shiat one.

* Russia is a dictatorship, and the Russian secret services have been assasinating people who are causing inconvenience by pointing out that Russia could be a democracy one day. Which is a carry over from the Soviet regime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Savinkov . Russia just doesn't seem to like having democratic governments in the counties around it either.

* Russia is still willing to carry out state sponsored violence on it's immediate neighbours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#Russian_Federation_(1991-present) Most of these aren't in response to NATO, it's just that Russian thinks that violence by a larger state is the way to resolve conflicts.

* The leaders of Russia have delusions of great power and have for a long time: https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/02/20/russia-s-global-ambitions-in-perspective-pub-78067

The quest for recognition as a great power has been both the result of Russia's geographic expansion and its driver. Geographic expanse was and is, in the eyes of Russian leaders, central to their claim to recognition as a great power. Such recognition, in turn, has been needed to lend a veneer of legitimacy to territorial conquests. Perhaps precisely because they have had to struggle repeatedly for such recognition, Russia's rulers have been particularly sensitive to any suggestion that Russia does not belong in the ranks of major powers.

Russia has a population of about 145 million people (probably a bit less now due to covid-19) and has a horrific demographic chart https://imgur.com/gallery/OPwPu5C that shows that population decline is baked in for the next 20 years at least.

Combined with a economy that is hobbled by being dominated by petro-dollars, a huge amount of corruption and sanctions from Russia's previous violence, the result is a country that has a smaller economy than Italy, that is trying to intimidate the US, the EU, and the other countries in Eastern Europe that have had 70 years of Russian aggression, and are probably a bit tired of it by now.


TL:DR Putin would have found an excuse eventually to either invade, or send enough little green men into Ukraine to instigate violence no matter what expansion plans NATO had made or not. He's a dictator that thinks strength of arms and will is the way to make a country great, and has completely missed the fact that democracies with strong middle classes are the way for countries to be great, and have influence on other countries.
 
2022-01-27 3:44:53 PM  

FarkingChas: Decorus: On-Farkin-On: China wants Russia to succeed in taking over Ukraine without the US/Nato going into all out war. If Russia gets away with low to no penalty China will go after Taiwan.

Ukraine isn't the same as Taiwan. Japan will build and nuke the ever loving fark out of China if it invades Taiwan.

LOL. Japan has no nukes. They depend on our bases being there for a lot of their defense. Why would Japan care about Taiwan anyway?


Japan is sitting on 500 tons of enriched plutonium read up on its terrifying bomb in the basement situation basically in six months Japan can have enough nuclear bombs to destroy China and China is terrified of the situation.
 
2022-01-27 6:24:31 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Here is a 10 minute video giving the background of the Ukranian crisis, by John Mearsheimer. This was given in 2015.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7zZwhGHeIYM]


John Mearshimer, the guy who pals around with neo-nazis and writes blurbs for their books?

Great propaganda you are spreading, here.  TucKKKer Carlson next?
 
2022-01-27 7:29:05 PM  

whidbey: Not sure how this is a bad thing.


This is a bad thing because this situation is delicate and China is notoriously Cack-handed when dealing with other countries.
 
2022-01-27 7:30:18 PM  

halfjack: whidbey: Not sure how this is a bad thing.

This is a bad thing because this situation is delicate and China is notoriously Cack-handed when dealing with other countries.


It's a good thing because you don't want China intervening in anything. The fact they're threatening to puts pressure on Russia. And others.
 
2022-01-27 9:41:07 PM  

Decorus: Japan is sitting on 500 tons of enriched plutonium read up on its terrifying bomb in the basement situation basically in six months Japan can have enough nuclear bombs to destroy China and China is terrified of the situation.


Based on what happened to Japan in WWII, that is very hard to believe.
Based on what Japan already did to China in WWII, that is all too easy to believe.
 
2022-01-27 10:44:11 PM  
Holy biscuits, Russia and China really are the two most evil countries on earth?!

Who'dathunkit?

It's funny, America tells you these things for years, and really drills it into your head. Then it starts farking around in the middle east, toppling governments, and creating government crises in those countries, and ruining its own credibility. But then in less than a year after its latest military fiasco it's proven right?

Well, I guess it's not that funny.
 
2022-01-28 4:16:16 AM  

zeroman987: Ketchuponsteak: fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.

Russia is a net food exporter.

You're a chickenhawk.

Da comrade Russia strong.

America like mouse.


How do you even reply to people like you?

I guess you don't, oh damn...
 
2022-01-28 4:18:30 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Ketchuponsteak: fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.

Russia is a net food exporter.

You're a chickenhawk.

Farmers like to get paid, Y'know. Don't pay them and raid their crops one year and they might not bother growing anything again until they get paid. You need a functional economy for anyone to get paid.


Wtf. wouldn't they have a functional economy? Not making fun of all your claims didn't mean you weren't talking nonsense.
 
2022-01-28 4:23:56 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Ketchuponsteak: fragMasterFlash: No one wants to invade Vlad's shiathole country. Russian security concerns should focus on preventing a mass exodus of starving people once their economy completely breaks down.

Russia is a net food exporter.

You're a chickenhawk.

You know the United States has alot of food production capability, but the same problem as Russia, a bunch of wealthy oligarchs who hoard funds away from the people that could use them. That's why Russia has starving people the same as the United States, being a "net food exporter" only means some rich guy is making money off the export, not that all the people in Russia are sufficiently fed and/or taken care of.


Does USA have a mass-exodus of starving people at the moment?

Russsia doesn't. and won't. They have oodles of food.

They net-food export food import balance would look even better for them if they didn't export grain, and import "luxury" food.


Some nations have a genuine food creation problem, like North Korea, where state intervention can't solve their problem. Russia isn't one of them
 
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