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(Futurism)   Scientists express horror at Elon Musk. Also at his Neuralink Brain Chip   (futurism.com) divider line
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2022-01-27 1:02:58 AM  
Could I use a Neuralink Brain Chip to turn the house lights on and off?  Because that would be cool.

Killer app will be an embedded cell phone.
 
2022-01-27 2:30:02 AM  

Sgygus: Could I use a Neuralink Brain Chip to turn the house lights on and off?  Because that would be cool.

Killer app will be an embedded cell phone.


I'd prefer the opposite. Give me a way to only be contactable by text.
 
2022-01-27 5:19:49 AM  
Ethical concerns.  Heh.
 
2022-01-27 5:20:14 AM  
We have been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty.
 
2022-01-27 5:33:57 AM  
Given how it's described, what he HAS demo'd with it ("LOOK, THIS MONKEY IS PLAYING PONG!"), and the current state of tech in the area (I'm... a postdoc on a neuron-machine interface project that's in it's early stages, so I've done a shiat-ton of lit review), I am 95% certain this is literally just a shrunk-down version of existing neurofeedback/brain-wave reacting headsets. We've had these for over a decade.

Which, hey, does have some interesting possible uses, especially for people with disabilities! It could allow for some smaller neuro-feedback based devices to help them! But--

A) It's not going to allow two-way mind-machine interface communication. That sort of shiat is one-way (picking up brainwave signals), it doesn't send info BACK.
B) It tends to be pretty crude
C) It SURE AS shiat isn't going to let you 'download your memories' or whatever the fark he was talking about.

The biggest hurdle of any ACTUAL, 2-way, neuron-machine interface tech currently is the immune system really farking hates it. Tissue encapsulation causes any actual implant (As opposed to lay-on-the-brain electrode) to eventually stop working. Even when you get materials that closely mimic the flexibility of the surrounding tissue (VERY IMPORTANT to prevent scar tissue build up! Stick something stiff in tissue that's squishy and moves, you're going to damage it a teeny bit every time that tissue moves!), there's STILL an immune response that slowly encapsulates the implant, much like the way your body reacts to a splinter.

Now. There are some groups working on optogenetics, if I remember right, that could allow some on-the-surface resting electrodes to *maybe* send info to neurons and nerve cells, but I'm not sure that tech is very far along, and I don't know if any are working on this.

Tl;dr this is about as capable of a bunch of the stuff Elon's claiming as his cybertruck's window was "Shatter-proof".

I swear to god, this guy's to tech what Peter Molyneux was/is to video games.
 
2022-01-27 5:34:38 AM  
If only there was some sort of literature that explored the ramifications and some of the unintended side effects of such technologies...

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2022-01-27 6:34:31 AM  
Don't worry. You'll all be dead before any of it gets to market.
 
2022-01-27 6:44:35 AM  
Call me when The Culture comes and offers neural lace with no surgery.

Elon is an example why no one should be allowed to accumulate money and resources in that magnitude.

We're way more likely to see guillotines than functional mind machine interfaces in this generation.
 
2022-01-27 6:48:06 AM  
They seem to say it might be unethical to use research on disabled people to perfect a chip that will then be sold for profit to let people control their car with their mind. I don't think that's unethical because along the way the tech that helps disabled people will also improve. I'm not bothered by someone using research to build something that they can then sell.

I am, however, thinking that letting people drive, with their easily distracted, minds, is the stupidest idea I can think of. Surely self driving cars are precisely so we don't need to think whilst getting from point a to b?

Or did I misapprehend that part?

Also it's step 1 to turning the species into slave cyborgs, but that's incidental.
 
2022-01-27 7:06:14 AM  
What sort of dip goes good with brain chip?  Asking for a friend.
 
2022-01-27 7:08:25 AM  
Keanu Reeves is great in that movie.  On a side note, Elongated Muskrat proposes a lot of stupid unworkable idea to solve problems no one has.
 
2022-01-27 7:09:01 AM  

dittybopper: What sort of dip goes good with brain chip?  Asking for a friend.


Fava bean, from what I understand.
 
2022-01-27 7:14:45 AM  

EvilEgg: Keanu Reeves is great in that movie.  On a side note, Elongated Muskrat proposes a lot of stupid unworkable idea to solve problems no one has.


You know, if you anagram "Elon Musk" you came turn it into "Lone Skum".

That more parsimonious, and more apt, as Musk is neither especially lanky, nor especially Ondatric in nature.
 
2022-01-27 7:26:05 AM  
Great.. thanks to Elon I'm going to see a techno zombie horror B movie play out during my Idocracy meets the Stand medical drama phase of life. I can't wait till I'm ready for the nursing home and robot Canadian beavers are running all the nursing homes.
 
2022-01-27 7:35:10 AM  
Ooo.....the inner thoughts of men.
"Boobs. Food. Video games. Boobs. Naked women. Boobs. I'd like to have sex with that woman. I hate my job. Boobs"
It will be fascinating insight.
 
2022-01-27 7:43:02 AM  
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2022-01-27 7:43:35 AM  
In the 90s, I wanted to have a neural implant to interface with computers, a la cyberpunk.

Now, in 2020, I realize how goddamn stupid I was. Perhaps it's because I never had a computer crash catastrophically on me at that time. Perhaps it was because I'd never seen an interface fried.

Perhaps it's because I didn't have such goofs as Elon Musk and Steve Jobs acting like burgeoning Bond villains at the time.
 
2022-01-27 7:48:06 AM  

Sgygus: Could I use a Neuralink Brain Chip to turn the house lights on and off?  Because that would be cool.

Killer app will be an embedded cell phone.


It will be fine. Until malware infests the unit and you find you can only speak fluent Russian until you pay the ransom.
 
2022-01-27 7:59:31 AM  

Sgygus: Could I use a Neuralink Brain Chip to turn the house lights on and off?  Because that would be cool.


We're talking about technology that could possibly help out quadriplegics and people in comas, and you want to reinvent The Clapper?

Jeff Bezos basically already did that.  And they play music, too.  And probably store up information about when you're not home, making it and knowledge of your purchasing history a real treasure trove for potential robbers.
 
2022-01-27 8:01:48 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Sgygus: Could I use a Neuralink Brain Chip to turn the house lights on and off?  Because that would be cool.

Killer app will be an embedded cell phone.

I'd prefer the opposite. Give me a way to only be contactable by text.


I want a cell phone that lets me push a button to play fax or modem connect sounds.

Or maybe one that would put on a filter to start heavily compressing and garbling my voice with some intentionally dropped packets like I've got bad cell reception.
 
2022-01-27 8:20:28 AM  
My brain goes to 2 things hope for those who could greatly benefit from this tech and bato you hacked my eyes!
 
2022-01-27 8:20:54 AM  

Oneiros: I want a cell phone that lets me push a button to play fax or modem connect sounds.


Back when I had a landline, I had the "phone number invalid" tones on my answering machine, then my message.  It really cut down on spam.
 
2022-01-27 8:35:23 AM  

natazha: Oneiros: I want a cell phone that lets me push a button to play fax or modem connect sounds.

Back when I had a landline, I had the "phone number invalid" tones on my answering machine, then my message.  It really cut down on spam.


Fistbump....

We had the same tones with a message that said "I'm sorry, the number you have reached is imaginary.  Please turn your phone 90 degrees and try again"

The people we hung out with understood.....
 
2022-01-27 8:36:48 AM  
Hmmm... Yes I'm going to trust a person who's claim to fame is buying companies and pumping and dumping crypto.
 
2022-01-27 8:45:17 AM  

Oneiros: Sgygus: Could I use a Neuralink Brain Chip to turn the house lights on and off?  Because that would be cool.

We're talking about technology that could possibly help out quadriplegics and people in comas, and you want to reinvent The Clapper?

Jeff Bezos basically already did that.  And they play music, too.  And probably store up information about when you're not home, making it and knowledge of your purchasing history a real treasure trove for potential robbers.


Or, and I could be wrong here, it was tongue-in-cheek referencing said Bezos' wonder-matic (and others like it) and you shouldn't take it personally.
 
2022-01-27 9:02:11 AM  

Sgygus: Could I use a Neuralink Brain Chip to turn the house lights on and off?  Because that would be cool.

Killer app will be an embedded cell phone.


Neuralink wants access to your contact list
 
2022-01-27 9:04:18 AM  
Elon has a Ivy League degree in physics and economics. He has engineering training and has programming experience. He does not have any biology ot medical expertise or experience. He also almost always super overoptimistic on timetables

Conclusion: If the brain doctors and biologists say he is full of it of it for his brain project they are probably right. If those brain boffins say he can't do x with rockets, then they are the ones who are more likely full of it.
 
2022-01-27 9:06:22 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Elon has a Ivy League degree in physics and economics. He has engineering training and has programming experience. He does not have any biology ot medical expertise or experience. He also almost always super overoptimistic on timetables

Conclusion: If the brain doctors and biologists say he is full of it of it for his brain project they are probably right. If those brain boffins say he can't do x with rockets, then they are the ones who are more likely full of it.


It's weird that people still think ivy league means anything other than "comes from money."

Anyway, he can pay engineers and scientists to do crazy stuff with rockets.
 
2022-01-27 10:03:25 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Call me when The Culture comes and offers neural lace with no surgery.

Elon is an example why no one should be allowed to accumulate money and resources in that magnitude.

We're way more likely to see guillotines than functional mind machine interfaces in this generation.


Is love to move to a nice, sunny Orbital somewhere far from here. Hurry up, Culture!
 
2022-01-27 10:13:47 AM  
The brain chip is programmed to help you love the brain chip.
 
2022-01-27 10:41:14 AM  

EvilEgg: Keanu Reeves is great in that movie.  On a side note, Elongated Muskrat proposes a lot of stupid unworkable idea to solve problems no one has.


Careful. He'll call you a pedophile.
 
2022-01-27 10:50:30 AM  
> Indeed, the ethics surrounding technology such as the Neuralink is uncharted territory.

Not especially. We've been talking about it for generations.
 
2022-01-27 10:52:30 AM  
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2022-01-27 11:06:55 AM  
Just curious. If you actually have a brain chip, how would a tin foil hat work?
 
2022-01-27 5:45:04 PM  
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2022-01-27 5:56:29 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Don't worry. You'll all be dead before any of it gets to market.


i hope so.
 
2022-01-27 9:07:55 PM  
Upside: Overcoming the limits of our frail flesh bodies.

Downside: Monsters from the Id.

/brought to you by Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.
 
2022-01-27 10:57:58 PM  
You'de have to be pretty naive to let elon put a chip in your brain. Dude would have a subscription service setup in no time access your own memories.
 
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