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1032 clicks; posted to Business » on 26 Jan 2022 at 5:05 PM (17 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-01-26 3:54:03 PM  
paywalled.

What the tl;dr

javascript blocker ineffective.
 
2022-01-26 3:57:25 PM  
I've bounced back and forth between manager and IC for most of my career, but I never started with a company wanting to be a manager.  I'm a programmer, and I like it that way.

These past few years, I've been freelancing and it's been great.  I make my own hours, don't pay attention to stupid, arbitrary HR garbage, and have been more productive than I've ever been.  I have little to no desire to become a manager again.
 
2022-01-26 4:32:32 PM  
womp womp
 
2022-01-26 5:15:27 PM  

unixpro: I've bounced back and forth between manager and IC for most of my career, but I never started with a company wanting to be a manager.  I'm a programmer, and I like it that way.

These past few years, I've been freelancing and it's been great.  I make my own hours, don't pay attention to stupid, arbitrary HR garbage, and have been more productive than I've ever been.  I have little to no desire to become a manager again.


Yep.  There's a great gap between the technically-competent "accidental" middle managers and the "might have done something technical once, but hated it" lifelong manager.  We've lost a whole tier of the former in the last year.  Each one has 'promoted' themselves into a no-leadership IC gig somewhere else making 30-70% more than they were making for managing 5-50 people.  None of the ICs we have want to manage anything.
 
2022-01-26 5:16:16 PM  
I was asked several times if I wanted a supervisory role. I'd like to think I was smart to not accept them.

/Ask me about my rectal craniomity
 
2022-01-26 5:19:07 PM  

ajgeek: I was asked several times if I wanted a supervisory role. I'd like to think I was smart to not accept them.

/Ask me about my rectal craniomity


I've been voluntold for a whole series of management courses. I asked when in my schedule I was meant to fit them in, and was told that the brilliant part was that I could do them on my own time.

I only smiled politely, but the belly laugh in my soul was enjoyable.
 
2022-01-26 5:40:56 PM  

SpectroBoy: paywalled.

What the tl;dr

javascript blocker ineffective.


Damn, when I submitted the link, it was not paywalled for me. I almost linked to the Yahoo! write-up, here is the MSN link
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/the-great-resignation-is-coming-to-decimate-the-ranks-of-middle-management-the-c-suite-should-be-worried/ar-AAT7PVX

and the Yahoo link
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/great-resignation-coming-decimate-ranks-154241688.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
 
2022-01-26 6:00:18 PM  
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2022-01-26 6:09:02 PM  
Too many managers making busywork to justify their headcount.  We could easily lose at least half of them without a meaningful loss of productivity.  And the people who actually do productive work would be loads happier for it.
 
2022-01-26 6:09:15 PM  

OhioUGrad: SpectroBoy: paywalled.

What the tl;dr

javascript blocker ineffective.

Damn, when I submitted the link, it was not paywalled for me. I almost linked to the Yahoo! write-up, here is the MSN link
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/the-great-resignation-is-coming-to-decimate-the-ranks-of-middle-management-the-c-suite-should-be-worried/ar-AAT7PVX

and the Yahoo link
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/great-resignation-coming-decimate-ranks-154241688.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


It's not. Probably cookies. I had no issue.
 
2022-01-26 6:09:43 PM  

OhioUGrad: SpectroBoy: paywalled.

What the tl;dr

javascript blocker ineffective.

Damn, when I submitted the link, it was not paywalled for me. I almost linked to the Yahoo! write-up, here is the MSN link
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/the-great-resignation-is-coming-to-decimate-the-ranks-of-middle-management-the-c-suite-should-be-worried/ar-AAT7PVX

and the Yahoo link
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/great-resignation-coming-decimate-ranks-154241688.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


Thanks
 
2022-01-26 6:49:16 PM  
From the endless middle to the bottom of the top!
 
2022-01-26 7:35:52 PM  

unixpro: I've bounced back and forth between manager and IC for most of my career, but I never started with a company wanting to be a manager.  I'm a programmer, and I like it that way.

These past few years, I've been freelancing and it's been great.  I make my own hours, don't pay attention to stupid, arbitrary HR garbage, and have been more productive than I've ever been.  I have little to no desire to become a manager again.


I remember my father, a systems engineer, avoiding "promotions" to people-manager jobs, and as a teen and college student, I didn't get it. Now I get it.
 
2022-01-26 7:53:14 PM  
I feel they made some assumptions. A burn out of leadership is damaging to companies, burn out of management is less so. Something I noticed when I entered into the workforce some decades ago is that companies were trying to hire away their leadership deficiency instead of developing leaders.

Ya ain't gonna find 20 year veterans of your industry willing to work 60 hours a week without a raise for too long before your skill gap crushes you. Kinda like we're seeing now.
 
2022-01-26 7:57:01 PM  
As an IC in a supply chain discipline, there are endless other options in Atlanta for me to consider and I constantly fend off recruiters.  The only reason I haven't taken another position is I've only been at my current company for 2 years, my manager is great, and I expect a promotion/significant pay raise in the next 3 months.

However, my boss is extremely overworked and visibly stressed. He is one of the only competent ones and is truly a good people manager. Others in my company, not so much.

If my boss leaves, then I start taking recruiters more seriously. If they try to promote me to my boss's job, the answer is "no" unless they pay me a shiatload more than I make now. There is a number that makes it work for me, but it is a high number. If they want to fill it with someone competent, they are going to have to compete with pay.
 
2022-01-26 8:53:50 PM  

unixpro: I've bounced back and forth between manager and IC for most of my career, but I never started with a company wanting to be a manager.  I'm a programmer, and I like it that way.

These past few years, I've been freelancing and it's been great.  I make my own hours, don't pay attention to stupid, arbitrary HR garbage, and have been more productive than I've ever been.  I have little to no desire to become a manager again.


A past employer had a warning sign saying, "anyone who doesn't do unit tests will be promoted to management."
 
2022-01-26 9:28:25 PM  
We're experiencing issues in this vein. Product Manager and TPM rules have been impossible to fill with competent people.

What over seen is that there are people who want to just be a scheduler and a keeper of meeting minutes, basically an overpaid secretary, and there are people who want to like doing the organizational documentation work, so long as they don't have to be responsible for what people do with it.

No one seems to want to do the soup to nuts Product management. As a CTO I find myself having to wear all the hats. Negotiating scope with clients, defining user stories, tracking backlog, doing design reviews, planning sprints, managing resources, AND doing code reviews and mentoring.

We've been making money doing interviews and acting like a talent agency as much as product development lately.

Not my favorite.
 
2022-01-27 8:59:38 AM  
Huh. Is there a single person in this thread that isn't in IT or software engineering?
 
2022-01-27 10:01:44 AM  

Algebrat: Huh. Is there a single person in this thread that isn't in IT or software engineering?


Jokes on you, I only MANAGE software engineers.
 
2022-01-27 10:49:48 AM  

Algebrat: Huh. Is there a single person in this thread that isn't in IT or software engineering?


Welcome to FARK.
 
2022-01-27 10:18:54 PM  
Being a competent programmer can make it really hard to manage other programmers.
 
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