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2022-01-26 9:30:47 AM  
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2022-01-26 9:53:36 AM  
That's one thing I truly loved about Bourdain... if you are some coastal elite who has never set foot south of the Mason-Dixon line... just watch his shows on Louisiana/West Virginia/South Carolina/Ozarks... He did all the hard work for you.

Warts and all, there it is. Good and bad... Not exactly a dissertation, but done in a way where you get the gist of it.

I've lived in Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky (well, does Basic Training really count? not really... but I did go out to see some crazy f*cking church people who said we should kill all the Muslims...)

Point is... we're all f*cked up. They are just really f*cked up. But, we all have our issues and we need to find a way to live together.
 
2022-01-26 10:55:28 AM  
I really love me some good Gumbo. Or Shrimps and Grits.
I'm gonna have to whoop up a Mardi Gras menu.
 
2022-01-26 10:59:15 AM  
The most 'casually racist' place I've ever been in.....was Boston
Like they didn't hold back with the N word.
And at least in the South, you encounter black people in positions of 'power' like bank loan officers, HR people, Doctors...etc. in Boston. Nope...just doormen and bellhops.
 
2022-01-26 11:22:41 AM  
If you want to get a thorough understanding about how we got to where we are, I highly recommend this very thoughtful and informative book:

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2022-01-26 11:30:10 AM  
"The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman. Sure you may be more likely to hear the N-word used publicly in the North, but there are worse things than name calling. The South is extremely racially segregated, to an extent that is odd to a non-Southerner. Outside of the South people are socially separated by race, but in the South it almost feels like an agreed upon formality. I would merely characterize the difference, as just that, a different "type" of racism, but just as bad.
 
2022-01-26 11:32:06 AM  
"To understand all is to Forgive all" -

Boy was *that* motherfarker ever on drugs!
 
2022-01-26 11:44:44 AM  
Larnin', subby.  LARNIN'.
 
2022-01-26 11:45:04 AM  

optikeye: The most 'casually racist' place I've ever been in.....was Boston
Like they didn't hold back with the N word.
And at least in the South, you encounter black people in positions of 'power' like bank loan officers, HR people, Doctors...etc. in Boston. Nope...just doormen and bellhops.


Cincinnati in the 90's.  It had a really weird racial vibe that didn't feel good.
 
2022-01-26 11:45:16 AM  
Reported for CRT
 
2022-01-26 11:47:55 AM  
No, we shan't be going down that broken road.
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My face when someone suggests a game of "corn-hole" on the front garden.
 
2022-01-26 11:48:00 AM  

Lambskincoat: "The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman.


It's a straw man that a lot of people accept as fact without ever investigating further.
 
2022-01-26 11:48:09 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Point is... we're all f*cked up. They are just really f*cked up. But, we all have our issues and we need to find a way to live together.


Tell that to them, not us.
 
2022-01-26 11:48:49 AM  

NewportBarGuy: That's one thing I truly loved about Bourdain... if you are some coastal elite who has never set foot south of the Mason-Dixon line... just watch his shows on Louisiana/West Virginia/South Carolina/Ozarks... He did all the hard work for you.

Warts and all, there it is. Good and bad... Not exactly a dissertation, but done in a way where you get the gist of it.

I've lived in Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky (well, does Basic Training really count? not really... but I did go out to see some crazy f*cking church people who said we should kill all the Muslims...)

Point is... we're all f*cked up. They are just really f*cked up. But, we all have our issues and we need to find a way to live together.


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2022-01-26 11:49:07 AM  
"The ideas about race, we get them from the way the stage was set in the South from the beginning," she says. "It is, in some ways, an origin point for the way the whole nation operates."

Uh oh, that sounds like CRT to me! I need to call the hotline to report this thoughtcrime in progress.
 
2022-01-26 11:49:12 AM  
Understand the South? I'm not their therapist. Besides- they're out of network.
 
2022-01-26 11:50:49 AM  

optikeye: I really love me some good Gumbo. Or Shrimps and Grits.
I'm gonna have to whoop up a Mardi Gras menu.


Whilst we were in Mobile last year, my brother and I ate at a fish place. My only complaint is that they left the tails on the skrimp... which is, apparently, very much how you should expect skrimp to be served in the gulf.

/ in my defense, the skrimps had just came out of the boiler and it tough to peal them without getting burned
 
2022-01-26 11:52:04 AM  
When I come across a violent armed sociopath, trying to "understand" him is low on my list of things to do.
 
2022-01-26 11:52:17 AM  
It's cliché to call the South gun-grabbin', cross-burnin' sister farkers. Good job subby.

I've lived in the South for most of my life, but have also lived elsewhere. I'd posit that you're just as likely, if not more, to find confederate flag waving racist dickbags in Michigan and rural Pennsylvania than you are around my current southern domicile.

Ok, that last part maybe isn't completely true. If I get out of the city into the sticks, there is plenty of racist flags flying, I guess all I'm really saying is that scum with questionable moral character exists everywhere in the US.
 
2022-01-26 11:53:43 AM  

Lambskincoat: "The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman. Sure you may be more likely to hear the N-word used publicly in the North, but there are worse things than name calling. The South is extremely racially segregated, to an extent that is odd to a non-Southerner. Outside of the South people are socially separated by race, but in the South it almost feels like an agreed upon formality. I would merely characterize the difference, as just that, a different "type" of racism, but just as bad.


I think maybe that's what she's trying to say.
The followup sentence probably should've been "But they're not as pristine as they think they are."
 
2022-01-26 11:53:54 AM  

Lambskincoat: "The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman. Sure you may be more likely to hear the N-word used publicly in the North, but there are worse things than name calling. The South is extremely racially segregated, to an extent that is odd to a non-Southerner. Outside of the South people are socially separated by race, but in the South it almost feels like an agreed upon formality. I would merely characterize the difference, as just that, a different "type" of racism, but just as bad.


Yeah, kinda blew my mind when I realized the southern town I moved to had two Methodist churches, roughly two blocks away from each other, one that pretty much only black people go to, and one that pretty much only white people go to.  Like, there's no label, no strict requirement that people only attend the one that matches their skin color, just a longstanding unspoken agreement to self-segregate (no doubt a holdover from when such segregation was more or less mandated).
 
2022-01-26 11:54:12 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: "To understand all is to Forgive all" -

Boy was *that* motherfarker ever on drugs!


Well, I think it's okay as long as you don't entertain the corollary, "To forgive all is to forget all."
Forgive, sure. Forgiveness is cool.
But never, ever forget.
And when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
 
2022-01-26 11:56:13 AM  

iheartscotch: optikeye: I really love me some good Gumbo. Or Shrimps and Grits.
I'm gonna have to whoop up a Mardi Gras menu.

Whilst we were in Mobile last year, my brother and I ate at a fish place. My only complaint is that they left the tails on the skrimp... which is, apparently, very much how you should expect skrimp to be served in the gulf.

/ in my defense, the skrimps had just came out of the boiler and it tough to peal them without getting burned


I find it mildly hilarious that someone that calls them "skrimps" would find it strange that they would still have the tail attached.
 
2022-01-26 11:56:23 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: optikeye: The most 'casually racist' place I've ever been in.....was Boston
Like they didn't hold back with the N word.
And at least in the South, you encounter black people in positions of 'power' like bank loan officers, HR people, Doctors...etc. in Boston. Nope...just doormen and bellhops.

Cincinnati in the 90's.  It had a really weird racial vibe that didn't feel good.


I currently live in Cincy, and downtown does have a weird vibe.

It feels like people 'plundered' OTR, and have since made this place that was once like an enclave of black culture and life too expensive to live in anymore.

One of the few gripes I have about the place.
 
2022-01-26 11:57:08 AM  

houginator: Lambskincoat: "The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman. Sure you may be more likely to hear the N-word used publicly in the North, but there are worse things than name calling. The South is extremely racially segregated, to an extent that is odd to a non-Southerner. Outside of the South people are socially separated by race, but in the South it almost feels like an agreed upon formality. I would merely characterize the difference, as just that, a different "type" of racism, but just as bad.

Yeah, kinda blew my mind when I realized the southern town I moved to had two Methodist churches, roughly two blocks away from each other, one that pretty much only black people go to, and one that pretty much only white people go to.  Like, there's no label, no strict requirement that people only attend the one that matches their skin color, just a longstanding unspoken agreement to self-segregate (no doubt a holdover from when such segregation was more or less mandated).


At least the Black people own the building and the cemetery.  In my rural California hometown, Spanish services were held in the same building as English, but on Wednesdays so that the white people didn't have to cross paths with then.
 
2022-01-26 11:58:31 AM  

houginator: Lambskincoat: "The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman. Sure you may be more likely to hear the N-word used publicly in the North, but there are worse things than name calling. The South is extremely racially segregated, to an extent that is odd to a non-Southerner. Outside of the South people are socially separated by race, but in the South it almost feels like an agreed upon formality. I would merely characterize the difference, as just that, a different "type" of racism, but just as bad.

Yeah, kinda blew my mind when I realized the southern town I moved to had two Methodist churches, roughly two blocks away from each other, one that pretty much only black people go to, and one that pretty much only white people go to.Like, there's no label, no strict requirement that people only attend the one that matches their skin color, just a longstanding unspoken agreement to self-segregate (no doubt a holdover from when such segregation was more or less mandated).


Have you ever heard a bunch of amature white people sing in church. It's like they all start on different pages and and finally catch up and mumble through on the last stanza.
Black people in church have that shait down. Tight.
 
2022-01-26 12:00:00 PM  
TLDR

SEC FOOTBALL!!!!!!
 
2022-01-26 12:01:02 PM  

Cortez the Killer: It's cliché to call the South gun-grabbin', cross-burnin' sister farkers. Good job subby.

I've lived in the South for most of my life, but have also lived elsewhere. I'd posit that you're just as likely, if not more, to find confederate flag waving racist dickbags in Michigan and rural Pennsylvania than you are around my current southern domicile.

Ok, that last part maybe isn't completely true. If I get out of the city into the sticks, there is plenty of racist flags flying, I guess all I'm really saying is that scum with questionable moral character exists everywhere in the US.


A lot of the issues with race in terms of North/South are now more of an urban/rural issue.

Where are minorites flocking to now - Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, or central Pennsylvania, southern Illinois, the UP of Michigan? By the strictest definition, the latter three are the "North", but you wouldn't think it from a look at the locals in those areas.
 
2022-01-26 12:01:14 PM  

NewportBarGuy: That's one thing I truly loved about Bourdain... if you are some coastal elite who has never set foot south of the Mason-Dixon line... just watch his shows on Louisiana/West Virginia/South Carolina/Ozarks... He did all the hard work for you.

Warts and all, there it is. Good and bad... Not exactly a dissertation, but done in a way where you get the gist of it.

I've lived in Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky (well, does Basic Training really count? not really... but I did go out to see some crazy f*cking church people who said we should kill all the Muslims...)

Point is... we're all f*cked up. They are just really f*cked up. But, we all have our issues and we need to find a way to live together.


I don't think we will ever be able to do that.  Right now, the state of Idaho, which is 70% Republican, is on the verge of splitting apart because half the Republicans in the state now believe that the other half aren't "Republican Enough".  It shows that every time one "tribe" takes over a region, that tribe will immediately split into smaller tribes that want to go to war with other over ever-insignificant differences.
 
2022-01-26 12:01:50 PM  
I mean... yeah?

The headline of TFA is kinda farking up the framing of this by reinforcing the exact opposite of the right thing, but the thrust of her argument seems to be that treating the confederate states as some sort of separate entity with distinct politics and movements separate from the rest results in a lot of really stupid results in historical and political analysis since it's actually one continuous society with no barriers to either communication or physical movement.

The internal framing of labor issues gets really farking weird, especially, since most US historians until very recently always tried to make a big deal about how post-reformation labor abuses and chattel slavery are two totally separate, distinctive things that have nothing to do with each other... when literally the US only started having chattel slavery as a result of a labor dispute (mostly between white people) in a company town (Jamestown) which predated basically all of the towns we mythologize as founding towns of America (e.g. Plymouth) and which was... pretty much exactly the same as the coal towns of west Virginia in structure and using slavery and state violence to respond to basically the same situation (striking workers) as WV did the coal wars, with the same tactics more or less.

... oh, hey, didn't see you there, Amazon's current business practices.  How'd you get into this post?

Like... I'm not necessarily going to say that this weird attempt to cordon off the one part of our history and pretend it's totally a different thing from the rest of our history is intentionally an effort to prevent us from ever fixing certain major problems that exclusively benefit a wealthy elite, it's not necessarily a conspiracy as such... but it definitely gets used that way on a regular basis, so I approve of this effort to maybe crack that false wall a bit.
 
2022-01-26 12:01:54 PM  

Cortez the Killer: iheartscotch: optikeye: I really love me some good Gumbo. Or Shrimps and Grits.
I'm gonna have to whoop up a Mardi Gras menu.

Whilst we were in Mobile last year, my brother and I ate at a fish place. My only complaint is that they left the tails on the skrimp... which is, apparently, very much how you should expect skrimp to be served in the gulf.

/ in my defense, the skrimps had just came out of the boiler and it tough to peal them without getting burned

I find it mildly hilarious that someone that calls them "skrimps" would find it strange that they would still have the tail attached.


The tail attached is like a little handle. Also...that's the bit that 'protective' when boiling the shrimps it keeps it from losing it's shrimpy MOIST goodness when cooking. Tho ideally boiled shrimp should be fully in the shell. Skinny  Legs and all.
 
2022-01-26 12:04:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: That's one thing I truly loved about Bourdain... if you are some coastal elite who has never set foot south of the Mason-Dixon line... just watch his shows on Louisiana/West Virginia/South Carolina/Ozarks... He did all the hard work for you.

Warts and all, there it is. Good and bad... Not exactly a dissertation, but done in a way where you get the gist of it.

I've lived in Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky (well, does Basic Training really count? not really... but I did go out to see some crazy f*cking church people who said we should kill all the Muslims...)

Point is... we're all f*cked up. They are just really f*cked up. But, we all have our issues and we need to find a way to live together.


That's nice, dear, but there's one area of the country that legalized slavery and instituted Jim Crow.
 
2022-01-26 12:05:53 PM  

Loreweaver: I don't think we will ever be able to do that.  Right now, the state of Idaho, which is 70% Republican, is on the verge of splitting apart because half the Republicans in the state now believe that the other half aren't "Republican Enough".


You go 50 miles east of Hippy Portland. You might as well be in Selma Alabama, with more snow and Carhart jackets.
 
2022-01-26 12:05:56 PM  
To understand the South, I'm convinced, you need to understand the ancestors of white Southerners---the Ulster Protestants.

Ultimately they were descended from mercenaries recruited in Scottish/English border country. That they were amazing warriors, when they cared to be, is not in serious dispute. Thing was that they weren't suited to doing jobs that needed doing in an industrial state in peacetime beyond mentally undemanding farm and factory work.

The Southern man inherited his Ulster forebears' religiosity, anti-intellectualism, paranoia, and taste for violence and drink.

He also inherited his bigotry. Their Black neighbours were the target of the hatred that in Ulster the Protestants had reserved for the native Irish.

More generally, he inherited the Ulsterman's mistrust of all outsiders. Ulster "loyalists" were only ever to their own tribe. They opposed, often violently, any attempt by Westminster to force them to share power with other British subjects living in Ireland.

So there you have it. Real America (TM) is Ulster with atomic  bombs.
 
2022-01-26 12:06:37 PM  

optikeye: Cortez the Killer: iheartscotch: optikeye: I really love me some good Gumbo. Or Shrimps and Grits.
I'm gonna have to whoop up a Mardi Gras menu.

Whilst we were in Mobile last year, my brother and I ate at a fish place. My only complaint is that they left the tails on the skrimp... which is, apparently, very much how you should expect skrimp to be served in the gulf.

/ in my defense, the skrimps had just came out of the boiler and it tough to peal them without getting burned

I find it mildly hilarious that someone that calls them "skrimps" would find it strange that they would still have the tail attached.

The tail attached is like a little handle. Also...that's the bit that 'protective' when boiling the shrimps it keeps it from losing it's shrimpy MOIST goodness when cooking. Tho ideally boiled shrimp should be fully in the shell. Skinny  Legs and all.


Agree on full shell for boiled shrimp. Typically, the shrimp are put into an ice bath after the boil. Then served with cocktail sauce, lemon, and horseradish. Now I want shrimp.

/And crawfish. Season is getting close.
 
2022-01-26 12:06:41 PM  
Why should anyone have to cater to close-minded, paranoid folk's perceptions when they just eat up only what they want to believe?
 
2022-01-26 12:07:54 PM  
Yeah, Birmingham Alabama ain't exactly the full Southern experience when it comes to race relations in the 21st century.  The real divide isn't North vs South anymore, it's urban vs rural usually... yes Boston is an often noted northern exception.

If you stick to the cities, even in the south, you're probably going to be fine.  It's the small towns on state highways you have to worry about.
 
2022-01-26 12:07:58 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: optikeye: The most 'casually racist' place I've ever been in.....was Boston
Like they didn't hold back with the N word.
And at least in the South, you encounter black people in positions of 'power' like bank loan officers, HR people, Doctors...etc. in Boston. Nope...just doormen and bellhops.

Cincinnati in the 90's.  It had a really weird racial vibe that didn't feel good.


Which eventually blew up with the 2001 Over-the-Rhine riots

/The National Underground Railroad Museum opened in Cincy a few years later - I wonder if that helped shift some of the cultural tides as it is a great museum and a point of pride now for the city
 
2022-01-26 12:08:14 PM  
Eight million people on Long Island and I've never, once in my life, heard a single media outlet telling the people of Cullman, Alabama that they need to understand the concerns of people in Ronkonkoma.
 
2022-01-26 12:08:41 PM  

optikeye: Loreweaver: I don't think we will ever be able to do that.  Right now, the state of Idaho, which is 70% Republican, is on the verge of splitting apart because half the Republicans in the state now believe that the other half aren't "Republican Enough".

You go 50 miles east of Hippy Portland. You might as well be in Selma Alabama, with more snow and Carhart jackets.


Idaho is one of those places I lived when it wasn't the south. You're not wrong (like, at all).
 
2022-01-26 12:11:01 PM  
I read once that the South really won the Civil War by making the (metaphorical) land too poisoned to grow anything but racism.  Kind of a gut-punch.

/born in the South
//left before it touched me too much
///West coast gal for life
 
2022-01-26 12:11:12 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: That's nice, dear, but there's one area of the country that legalized slavery and instituted Jim Crow.


Washington DC? New York? Good Lord Man...take your blinders off.

Of the Northern states, New York was next to last in abolishing slavery. (In New Jersey, mandatory, unpaid "apprenticeships" did not end until the Thirteenth Amendment ended slavery, in 1865.)[3]:44

"Oh we'll just call it 'Mandatory UnPaid Apprenticeships" ......we're good now, right.
 
2022-01-26 12:11:28 PM  

houginator: Lambskincoat: "The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman. Sure you may be more likely to hear the N-word used publicly in the North, but there are worse things than name calling. The South is extremely racially segregated, to an extent that is odd to a non-Southerner. Outside of the South people are socially separated by race, but in the South it almost feels like an agreed upon formality. I would merely characterize the difference, as just that, a different "type" of racism, but just as bad.

Yeah, kinda blew my mind when I realized the southern town I moved to had two Methodist churches, roughly two blocks away from each other, one that pretty much only black people go to, and one that pretty much only white people go to.  Like, there's no label, no strict requirement that people only attend the one that matches their skin color, just a longstanding unspoken agreement to self-segregate (no doubt a holdover from when such segregation was more or less mandated).


My town is in Little Texas (aka southeast New Mexico).  There are way too many churches, revival centers, and fellowship centers.  1 for every 308 residents.  9 different Baptist churches.  5 different Church of Christs.  3 different Church of Gods.  2 Catholic churches, despite this being one big parish.  It's because there are different denominations true, but there are also the Spanish churches and the English churches, in addition to churches just for the tiny Black community.  Instead of having different times for different language sessions, they have different churches.  It's ridiculous.
 
2022-01-26 12:11:35 PM  
In before a bunch of butthurt Southerners start compl......nevermind.
 
2022-01-26 12:14:30 PM  

houginator: Lambskincoat: "The South in some ways becomes the repository for the nation's sins, right?" she says. "And then it allows the rest of the country to conceive of itself as relatively pristine."

I agree that racism was carefully shaped in the South, but it doesn't logically follow that the rest of America is "pristine" regarding racism, that's a strawman. Sure you may be more likely to hear the N-word used publicly in the North, but there are worse things than name calling. The South is extremely racially segregated, to an extent that is odd to a non-Southerner. Outside of the South people are socially separated by race, but in the South it almost feels like an agreed upon formality. I would merely characterize the difference, as just that, a different "type" of racism, but just as bad.

Yeah, kinda blew my mind when I realized the southern town I moved to had two Methodist churches, roughly two blocks away from each other, one that pretty much only black people go to, and one that pretty much only white people go to.  Like, there's no label, no strict requirement that people only attend the one that matches their skin color, just a longstanding unspoken agreement to self-segregate (no doubt a holdover from when such segregation was more or less mandated).


I remember someone saying that Sunday morning was the most segregated time in America. Not just race. Age too.

/yes, some megachurches are mixed but that's because they are prosperity gospel here the greedy go "worship"
 
2022-01-26 12:14:45 PM  

NewportBarGuy: That's one thing I truly loved about Bourdain... if you are some coastal elite who has never set foot south of the Mason-Dixon line... just watch his shows on Louisiana/West Virginia/South Carolina/Ozarks... He did all the hard work for you.

Warts and all, there it is. Good and bad... Not exactly a dissertation, but done in a way where you get the gist of it.

I've lived in Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky (well, does Basic Training really count? not really... but I did go out to see some crazy f*cking church people who said we should kill all the Muslims...)

Point is... we're all f*cked up. They are just really f*cked up. But, we all have our issues and we need to find a way to live together.


Hard to live together with people who:

1. Want to cut their own taxes while sucking tax dollars out of your state.
2. Actively say they want to kill you.
3. Vote for representatives who support voter suppression and coups.
4. Despite you funding their trash lifestyle, they still hate you, subsist she you, and want to kill you.
5. Actively are against mask and vaccine mandates so they can endanger and kill as many innocent people as possible and keep the pandemic going as long as possible.
 
2022-01-26 12:15:36 PM  
Racism is a AMERICAN problem. Not just a Southern Problem.
 
2022-01-26 12:17:48 PM  

MikeyFuccon: To understand the South, I'm convinced, you need to understand the ancestors of white Southerners---the Ulster Protestants.

Ultimately they were descended from mercenaries recruited in Scottish/English border country. That they were amazing warriors, when they cared to be, is not in serious dispute. Thing was that they weren't suited to doing jobs that needed doing in an industrial state in peacetime beyond mentally undemanding farm and factory work.

The Southern man inherited his Ulster forebears' religiosity, anti-intellectualism, paranoia, and taste for violence and drink.

He also inherited his bigotry. Their Black neighbours were the target of the hatred that in Ulster the Protestants had reserved for the native Irish.

More generally, he inherited the Ulsterman's mistrust of all outsiders. Ulster "loyalists" were only ever to their own tribe. They opposed, often violently, any attempt by Westminster to force them to share power with other British subjects living in Ireland.

So there you have it. Real America (TM) is Ulster with atomic  bombs.


Expect red staters to become increasingly violent in the next decade and plan accordingly.
 
2022-01-26 12:19:17 PM  

Curt Blizzah: Why should anyone have to cater to close-minded, paranoid folk's perceptions when they just eat up only what they want to believe?


https://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem/amp
 
2022-01-26 12:20:09 PM  
I like the idea of a bunch of stereotypical farkers on here taking the high road on the racist south. Good luck with that ophthalmic plankectomy.
 
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