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(Al Jazeera)   As China faces plummeting birth rates, businesses are told to step up as "department heads should take the lead in having more babies," although honestly I've had a boss fired for doing that at work with the receptionist in the IT closet   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2022-01-26 8:52:52 AM  
I thought it wasn't a problem if certain larger countries suffered a decline in birth rates for the overall health of the planet.
 
2022-01-26 9:32:31 AM  
Has there ever been a war with just a nations crazies? Like, US quiverfull families versus the Chinese male heir preference and all the single men that creates?
 
2022-01-26 9:56:23 AM  
China needs more children to defuse a demographic time bomb that threatens to derail President Xi Jinping's ambitions to double the Chinese economy by 2035.

Our economies cannot continue to grow at these rates. Not using fossil fuels.

"The future will be turbulent. Everyone should fasten their seat belts."

No sh*t.
 
2022-01-26 10:10:09 AM  

Nadie_AZ: China needs more children to defuse a demographic time bomb that threatens to derail President Xi Jinping's ambitions to double the Chinese economy by 2035.

Our economies cannot continue to grow at these rates. Not using fossil fuels.

"The future will be turbulent. Everyone should fasten their seat belts."

No sh*t.


Remember when it used to be, "and wear a condom," not "fasten your seat belts?"
 
2022-01-26 10:33:04 AM  
Maybe China should abandon that "one-child policy".
 
2022-01-26 11:01:19 AM  

Rwa2play: Maybe China should abandon that "one-child policy".


It was abandoned in 2015.
 
2022-01-26 11:53:05 AM  
Canadian secretary, I wouldn't know her. Right Subby?
 
2022-01-26 11:54:18 AM  
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2022-01-26 11:54:23 AM  
It's almost like the 1 child policy was a really bad idea....

/ of course very few people kept girls because that is part of their culture and now the population is crashing because there aren't any girls
 
2022-01-26 11:55:04 AM  

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Exactly what I expected to see, good job.
 
2022-01-26 11:55:46 AM  

Nadie_AZ: China needs more children to defuse a demographic time bomb that threatens to derail President Xi Jinping's ambitions to double the Chinese economy by 2035.

Our economies cannot continue to grow at these rates. Not using fossil fuels.

"The future will be turbulent. Everyone should fasten their seat belts."

No sh*t.


That's what Xi said.....
 
2022-01-26 11:56:42 AM  
Have they considered being less misogynistic, push for proper work life balance which incentivizes the time investment for kids, and extend social services to support the families?

I mean... if you are going to call yourself "Communist" you should at least have SOME socialist policies.
 
2022-01-26 11:57:04 AM  
That's slightly more refreshing than asking group of very high up Chinese leaders why they all had big glasses of milk at dinner, and the accompanying milk moustache.

The Party decided that the ancient custom of thinking milk was sour and bad was wrong.  As an example they would publicly act out the new way.  That there are many over 6 foot Chinese shows what one generation can do.  They're catching up to the Dutch.
 
2022-01-26 11:58:08 AM  
I wonder if the world will manage to figure out how to resist the allure of economic growth for the sake of growth and work on improving the standard of living for a steady and sustainable population?

Seems unlikely.
 
2022-01-26 11:58:27 AM  
Have kids? In this economy?

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2022-01-26 11:58:37 AM  

iheartscotch: It's almost like the 1 child policy was a really bad idea....

/ of course very few people kept girls because that is part of their culture and now the population is crashing because there aren't any girls


Even the girls that exist aren't having kids.
 
2022-01-26 11:58:45 AM  
Lebensborn part 2

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Sad fact:  One of the female singers in ABBA was actually a Lebensborn baby.
 
2022-01-26 11:59:06 AM  
Its a thing in general.

"Hey, people aren't starting families for a bunch of reasons"

"Well I don't like that, low birth rates mean we have to rely on IMMIGRATION to keep up the level of labor we currently need."

"What are we gonna do to make it less hard to raise kids? Mandate shorter work hours? Raise pay? Try to make home ownership cheaper and easier to get? More benefits for people with kids?"

"NOTHING."
 
2022-01-26 11:59:32 AM  
Oh, I see.  They planned future economies and determined they need more slaves, err I mean student athletes, err I mean workers, to fill that planned production.  Instead of you know, planning your economy around your people.  Seems a very corrupt and non-world caring way to advance.  We've taught so many countries our ways.
 
2022-01-26 12:00:35 PM  
"Too Many D*cks on the Dance Floor" Flight of the Conchords
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2022-01-26 12:01:05 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Rwa2play: Maybe China should abandon that "one-child policy".

It was abandoned in 2015.


The countryside is poor.
Large families are difficult in big cities.
There are options for women other than churning out babies.
Enforced reproduction doesn't work well.

Emperor Xi isn't going to get his doubled economy
 
2022-01-26 12:01:11 PM  
China is also effed because their rising fortunes mean they have a whole segment  of ambitious young folk who want to drive a Mercedes and not work on poppa's rice paddy that has been in the family for 500 years.   Without massive automation, their agricultural industry will collapse soon ish.
 
2022-01-26 12:02:20 PM  
"Taking good care of myself first is my main responsibility to my country," she said.

Smart woman. I feel like this must be a borderline subversive thought to the government, but she couched it in their rhetoric of responsibility to the nation.
 
2022-01-26 12:03:13 PM  

Alebak: Its a thing in general.

"Hey, people aren't starting families for a bunch of reasons"

"Well I don't like that, low birth rates mean we have to rely on IMMIGRATION to keep up the level of labor we currently need."

"What are we gonna do to make it less hard to raise kids? Mandate shorter work hours? Raise pay? Try to make home ownership cheaper and easier to get? More benefits for people with kids?"

"NOTHING."


Religion.
Make birth control illegal.
Reduce education and economic opportunity for women by doing things like getting rid of Title IX
 
2022-01-26 12:06:14 PM  

jjorsett: iheartscotch: It's almost like the 1 child policy was a really bad idea....

/ of course very few people kept girls because that is part of their culture and now the population is crashing because there aren't any girls

Even the girls that exist aren't having kids.


There's a huge black market for women. I came across a YouTube channel that was run by a woman who fled North Korean. She was sold to a Chinese man after she fled North Korea and horrible things happened to her until she escaped with her child.

/ she said that she had heard from other refugees that there were groups practicing cannibalism using trafficked North Korean refugees.
 
2022-01-26 12:07:07 PM  
It continually amazes me how bourgois the sentiments coming out of so-called "communist" or "socialist" autocracies are.

As if the "commoners", the poor, the workers are one kind of people and the rich are another, of which you can simply breed more when you feel the ratio is becoming unbalanced...

I know he's talking about breeding more workers and just telling bosses so they "set an example".  But if you tilt your head, that sentiment betrays a lot of bullshiat thinking.

Besides.  Isn't it a very bad sign, an indicator of needs not being met or a very poor standard of care when animals refuse to breed in captivity?  If you need to encourage people to have babies because they're not doing it on their own, something is very, very wrong...
 
2022-01-26 12:13:32 PM  
I volunteer as Tribune to go over and impregnate as many Chinese women as I can. I like to help.


/ please no Boy and His Dog shenanigans
 
2022-01-26 12:15:13 PM  
And here was me thinking bacon-wrapped sausage wasn't authentic Chinese cuisine.
 
2022-01-26 12:23:55 PM  
There's a real lesson here that when government gets too involved below your waist, it results in long term problems.
 
2022-01-26 12:28:05 PM  

BizarreMan: I thought it wasn't a problem if certain larger countries suffered a decline in birth rates for the overall health of the planet.


It isn't as long as they embrace immigration.
 
Xai
2022-01-26 12:38:17 PM  
Honestly I think if you plotted birth rates against house prices you'd find a pretty strong correlation. No-one can start a family in a studio apartment.
 
2022-01-26 12:48:54 PM  
The problem is a demographic change where there's too many old people for the productive younger people to support. This could be ameliorated by a non-selective culling of the sickly elder population by the introduction of novel forms of common highly communicable diseases.
 
2022-01-26 12:49:31 PM  
Right. Because what China really needs is more people. Genius.
 
2022-01-26 12:51:32 PM  
Years ago, when I was working security at a strip mall, the lady who owned the chinese restaurant in the strip used to give me free food because I would tutor her daughter in English. She used to tell me I should come to china, that I'd be popular and have lots of girlfriends, and plenty of money teaching english.

I always told her that I didn't know if I would be safe, as I am a very outspoken person with authority issues.

Now I'm older, I wonder if I shouldn't have just gone for it. Coulda had a nice family to vouch for me, be getting paid bank to not teach english and go fark some 20 yr old hottie.

But nooooooooooooooo. I'm getting up at 7am in the land of the stupid and the perpetually terrified right-wing jagoffs.

fark off, everything.
 
2022-01-26 1:05:27 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Right. Because what China really needs is more people. Genius.


Ecologically, fark no. Economically, dear Mao yes. China's boomers are retiring just like everyone else, but their Millennial generation is smaller than their Gen X, so there's not enough workers to fund their retirees.

Japan has figured out how to work as a nation with those demographics, so it's not impossible. But the idea that China's economy in the 2020s could mimic Japan's in the 1990s makes the CCP worry.
 
2022-01-26 1:06:09 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Lebensborn part 2

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Sad fact:  One of the female singers in ABBA was actually a Lebensborn baby.


Can't help where or why you're born.
 
2022-01-26 1:20:53 PM  

Alebak: Its a thing in general.

"Hey, people aren't starting families for a bunch of reasons"

"Well I don't like that, low birth rates mean we have to rely on IMMIGRATION to keep up the level of labor we currently need."

"What are we gonna do to make it less hard to raise kids? Mandate shorter work hours? Raise pay? Try to make home ownership cheaper and easier to get? More benefits for people with kids?"

"NOTHING."


I feel like my sister's generation which is late Gen-X / early Millennial was the last to really embrace and benefit from the Americana experience of Go to College, get Married, Buy a House, Have Kids, and a have Successful career. seems like the vast majority of her high school and college friends are all in the same boat as her.

I was born in the mid 80's and it's really surprising to me to see how huge of a difference there is between our generations despite only being a few years apart. Even though I had a similar upbringing, graduated college, had a successful career, got married, and even own a home - kids are just not on the table.

While that in itself isn't unusual, I will say that a very small percentage of the friends and class mates of mine that I've kept in contact with, and let's throw in coworkers of the same age just for the hell of it - have or plan to have kids. we're all pushing 40 and it's just not a thing for my generation. a very small percentage of us own homes despite having "decent paying" jobs but that's another discussion.
 
2022-01-26 1:38:25 PM  
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If only they could have some sort of cuddly mascot that could help...
 
2022-01-26 1:38:56 PM  

Jubeebee: Ecologically, fark no. Economically, dear Mao yes. China's boomers are retiring just like everyone else, but their Millennial generation is smaller than their Gen X, so there's not enough workers to fund their retirees.

Japan has figured out how to work as a nation with those demographics, so it's not impossible. But the idea that China's economy in the 2020s could mimic Japan's in the 1990s makes the CCP worry.


That is a stretch. 'Japan has managed to limp along in an increasingly painful manner with those demographics.' is more like it.
 
2022-01-26 1:47:38 PM  
Wait, wasn't it a "National Emergency" that China cut the birth rate? The whole "one child" thing.
 
2022-01-26 1:49:04 PM  
 
2022-01-26 1:52:29 PM  
Every "5-year plan" they've instituted had been a huge failure.

Same with Russia. They diverted water from the Aral to grow cotton. Now the Aral is basically gone, and all that farmland is dead because of the salts in the water used for irrigation. Do they think about redirecting the water back to the Aral? No money for that.
 
2022-01-26 1:58:28 PM  

BoothbyTCD: Jubeebee: Ecologically, fark no. Economically, dear Mao yes. China's boomers are retiring just like everyone else, but their Millennial generation is smaller than their Gen X, so there's not enough workers to fund their retirees.

Japan has figured out how to work as a nation with those demographics, so it's not impossible. But the idea that China's economy in the 2020s could mimic Japan's in the 1990s makes the CCP worry.

That is a stretch. 'Japan has managed to limp along in an increasingly painful manner with those demographics.' is more like it.


Sure, but Japan as the coherent geopolitical entity we're used to hasn't been fundamentally changed as a result.

But stack a similar situation on top of the PRC's ongoing issues and things get challenging.
 
2022-01-26 2:06:31 PM  
Oh shiat, they're gonna make more babies with missing tennis players!
 
2022-01-26 2:19:26 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Lebensborn part 2

[arolsen-archives.org image 850x511]

Sad fact:  One of the female singers in ABBA was actually a Lebensborn baby.


I should have known better than to look that up. Farking Nazis.
 
2022-01-26 3:07:21 PM  

Keystone Copout: It's not like we weren't warned:


https://www.victorpest.com/articles/what-humans-can-learn-from-calhouns-rodent-utopia


That article was way more interesting than I would've expected from the website of a mousetrap company.
 
2022-01-26 3:17:00 PM  

Xai: Honestly I think if you plotted birth rates against house prices you'd find a pretty strong correlation. No-one can start a family in a studio apartment.


Well you can start one... it's the continuing that is a bit more trouble
 
2022-01-26 4:28:25 PM  

gunther_bumpass: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Lebensborn part 2

[arolsen-archives.org image 850x511]

Sad fact:  One of the female singers in ABBA was actually a Lebensborn baby.

Can't help where or why you're born.


Still sad that she had to grow up in that environment
 
2022-01-26 5:58:08 PM  

BoothbyTCD: Jubeebee: Ecologically, fark no. Economically, dear Mao yes. China's boomers are retiring just like everyone else, but their Millennial generation is smaller than their Gen X, so there's not enough workers to fund their retirees.

Japan has figured out how to work as a nation with those demographics, so it's not impossible. But the idea that China's economy in the 2020s could mimic Japan's in the 1990s makes the CCP worry.

That is a stretch. 'Japan has managed to limp along in an increasingly painful manner with those demographics.' is more like it.


Is it really increasingly painful, life in Japan? I don't know anyone there, and haven't searched the net for info. I pretty much assumed everyone is doing about as well or as poorly as everyone else in the world these days. It's not like other first world countries don't currently have issues.
 
2022-01-26 6:22:29 PM  

Nidiot: BoothbyTCD: Jubeebee: Ecologically, fark no. Economically, dear Mao yes. China's boomers are retiring just like everyone else, but their Millennial generation is smaller than their Gen X, so there's not enough workers to fund their retirees.

Japan has figured out how to work as a nation with those demographics, so it's not impossible. But the idea that China's economy in the 2020s could mimic Japan's in the 1990s makes the CCP worry.

That is a stretch. 'Japan has managed to limp along in an increasingly painful manner with those demographics.' is more like it.

Is it really increasingly painful, life in Japan? I don't know anyone there, and haven't searched the net for info. I pretty much assumed everyone is doing about as well or as poorly as everyone else in the world these days. It's not like other first world countries don't currently have issues.


I haven't lived in Japan for a while now, but from people I know there it isn't any better. It is really an issue in rural areas especially. There is a lot of stasis and shrinkage, as fewer children are born and young people leave for the city. When I was there the prefectural government was consolidating smaller towns and villages just because there was no longer any need to have so many schools or government offices. What jobs there were besides (heavily subsidized) farming was mostly civil engineering projects of dubious usefulness (we used to joke about 'beautifying the hillsides with concrete'), with a healthy amount of pork and corruption (the concrete manufacturer was pretty happy). But even then the town where i lived had a main shopping area that looked like it had ben frozen sometime in the early 90s and then partially evacuated. In China the population issue seems likely to me to lead to civil unrest and government crackdown, which is not the case in Japan, but a sort of eternal graying stasis propped up by government subsidy id not the same as 'doing fine', a least to me.
 
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