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2022-01-25 9:13:16 PM  
Here's Stockton at home:

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2022-01-25 9:41:17 PM  
Gonzaga sucks.
 
2022-01-26 3:19:43 AM  
That got a sensible chuckle out of me.
 
2022-01-26 7:38:08 AM  
I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.
 
2022-01-26 8:05:20 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.


You know damn well why Stockton gets called a legend.

It's because that kid was alwhite when he played. Being alwhite gets you far in this world.
 
2022-01-26 8:21:56 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

You know damn well why Stockton gets called a legend.

It's because that kid was alwhite when he played. Being alwhite gets you far in this world.


No, I don't think it's that reason in this situation.  White players get hype to sell jerseys and be fan favorites when they're playing - guys like Danny Woodhead who at one point was the top selling Patriots jersey.   There's no marketing reason to hype up the importance of John Stocking besides the media marketing angle of Stockton being called a legend to hype up interest in this particular story.  If you're a non-fan, you're reading this thinking "What will NBA fans do now that a legend is antivaccine?!  Will they be conflicted?!"

If we were retroactively calling white guys legends years after retirement, then you'd hear more about NBA "legends" Kevin McHale and Chris Mullin.

NBA legend Kurt Rambiss says...
 
2022-01-26 8:40:31 AM  
He has the record for assists (thanks to the Mailman's dominance around the basket) so I think legend is a fair claim, but he was equally legendary for being the patron saint of flopping. He's always been a whiny twit.
 
2022-01-26 8:53:27 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

You know damn well why Stockton gets called a legend.

It's because that kid was alwhite when he played. Being alwhite gets you far in this world.


Tell me you know nothing about basketball without telling me you know nothing about basketball.
 
2022-01-26 8:55:58 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Bathtub Cynic: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

You know damn well why Stockton gets called a legend.

It's because that kid was alwhite when he played. Being alwhite gets you far in this world.

No, I don't think it's that reason in this situation.  White players get hype to sell jerseys and be fan favorites when they're playing - guys like Danny Woodhead who at one point was the top selling Patriots jersey.   There's no marketing reason to hype up the importance of John Stocking besides the media marketing angle of Stockton being called a legend to hype up interest in this particular story.  If you're a non-fan, you're reading this thinking "What will NBA fans do now that a legend is antivaccine?!  Will they be conflicted?!"

If we were retroactively calling white guys legends years after retirement, then you'd hear more about NBA "legends" Kevin McHale and Chris Mullin.

NBA legend Kurt Rambiss says...


Mullin is second only to Maravich as most overhyped white player of all time.  Maravich was essentially Allen Iverson with even more turnovers and worse defense.

Mullin could consistently score 28 ppg (while giving up 35 ppg) so I guess he had that going for him..
 
2022-01-26 8:58:18 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.


He has 25% more assists than the second-most player.  He has 20% more steals.  He consistently led all guards in FG percentage when he played.  I'd argue Malone was #2 to him.
 
2022-01-26 9:03:02 AM  

FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

He has 25% more assists than the second-most player.  He has 20% more steals.  He consistently led all guards in FG percentage when he played.  I'd argue Malone was #2 to him.


Fair comparison to Malone.

Note that I need no recitation of stats and percentages to prove player importance with regard to Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Kareem.  People just know.
 
2022-01-26 10:20:55 AM  
Nothing wrong with that

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2022-01-26 10:41:44 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.


He's the NBA all-time leader in steals and assists.  He's a Legendary F*ckface.
 
2022-01-26 10:41:58 AM  
Yet another top pro athlete has their legacy torched via self-immolation.
 
2022-01-26 10:53:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

He has 25% more assists than the second-most player.  He has 20% more steals.  He consistently led all guards in FG percentage when he played.  I'd argue Malone was #2 to him.

Fair comparison to Malone.

Note that I need no recitation of stats and percentages to prove player importance with regard to Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Kareem.  People just know.


In other news, Lonzo Ball, Adam Morrison, and Christian Laettner are all legends.
 
2022-01-26 11:32:57 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

You know damn well why Stockton gets called a legend.

It's because that kid was alwhite when he played. Being alwhite gets you far in this world.


It wasn't because he was white. It was because he was scrappy. A real gym rat who would show hustleand was a very cerebral player.
 
2022-01-26 11:36:47 AM  
There is a hilarious scene in the 92 Dream Team documentary that is home video of Stockton with his wife and kids out in public. All the other players on the Dream Team would be mobbed in public, as well as any large black men in the same city as the team I imagine. But Stockton was invisible. He started interviewing random people asking about the Dream Team. He would ask what they think of John Stockton and they were oblivous.
 
2022-01-26 12:15:39 PM  

FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: Bathtub Cynic: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

You know damn well why Stockton gets called a legend.

It's because that kid was alwhite when he played. Being alwhite gets you far in this world.

No, I don't think it's that reason in this situation.  White players get hype to sell jerseys and be fan favorites when they're playing - guys like Danny Woodhead who at one point was the top selling Patriots jersey.   There's no marketing reason to hype up the importance of John Stocking besides the media marketing angle of Stockton being called a legend to hype up interest in this particular story.  If you're a non-fan, you're reading this thinking "What will NBA fans do now that a legend is antivaccine?!  Will they be conflicted?!"

If we were retroactively calling white guys legends years after retirement, then you'd hear more about NBA "legends" Kevin McHale and Chris Mullin.

NBA legend Kurt Rambiss says...

Mullin is second only to Maravich as most overhyped white player of all time.  Maravich was essentially Allen Iverson with even more turnovers and worse defense.

Mullin could consistently score 28 ppg (while giving up 35 ppg) so I guess he had that going for him..


Disagree with you on Maravich - he was one of the best scorers in NBA history. He just played at a time where going inside would be more likely to get you a broken nose than a trip to the foul line. He also played on some historically bad teams. He's not overrated, just one of those guys who played with the wrong teams in the wrong era. If he (or a guy like Iverson) was playing today [at his prime, of course] he'd be putting up historic numbers.

Mullin, however, I think your statement is spot-on. I've never understood the hype about him.
 
2022-01-26 12:48:40 PM  

Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

He has 25% more assists than the second-most player.  He has 20% more steals.  He consistently led all guards in FG percentage when he played.  I'd argue Malone was #2 to him.

Fair comparison to Malone.

Note that I need no recitation of stats and percentages to prove player importance with regard to Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Kareem.  People just know.


If you were a Jazz fan you wouldn't either.
 
2022-01-26 12:51:40 PM  

bumfuzzled: Disagree with you on Maravich - he was one of the best scorers in NBA history. He just played at a time where going inside would be more likely to get you a broken nose than a trip to the foul line. He also played on some historically bad teams. He's not overrated, just one of those guys who played with the wrong teams in the wrong era. If he (or a guy like Iverson) was playing today [at his prime, of course] he'd be putting up historic numbers.


So I went to the stats to try to debate you and I overstated the turnover gap.  Maravich averaged 3.7 TO per game vs. Iverson's 3.6.  In college routinely break double-digits, but he deserves a bit of leniency because his coach/father was having him basically do everything on the court.

But what struck me the most on this trip down the rabbit hole is that apparently Trae Young is the current all-time leader in TO per game at 4.2.  Russ is (unsurprising) 2nd at 4.1, Doncic 3rd at 4, Magic Johnson 5th at 3.9.  Isiah Thomas, John Wall, and James Harden are also Top Ten.  Stockton averaged 2.8.
 
2022-01-26 12:53:51 PM  

The_Sponge: Gonzaga sucks.


They are actually a pretty decent school and basketball team.
 
2022-01-26 1:16:28 PM  

haknudsen: Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

He has 25% more assists than the second-most player.  He has 20% more steals.  He consistently led all guards in FG percentage when he played.  I'd argue Malone was #2 to him.

Fair comparison to Malone.

Note that I need no recitation of stats and percentages to prove player importance with regard to Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Kareem.  People just know.

If you were a Jazz fan you wouldn't either.


Or really, a basketball fan.  His argument boils down to "athletes in major media markets are better known to the general public than players from small media markets."
 
2022-01-26 1:23:04 PM  

FLMountainMan: Or really, a basketball fan.  His argument boils down to "athletes in major media markets are better known to the general public than players from small media markets."


That's a rather flimsy strawman.  If that was my argument, I would have just said it and then added Patrick Ewing.  Maybe I'd throw James Worthy in for fun.
 
2022-01-26 1:25:27 PM  

haknudsen: Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: I've read the term "legend" in reference to Stockton several times.  That's a stretch.  Of his era, you can put Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bird in the legend box.  On his own team, he was #2 to Malone.  If Stockton is a legend then Pippen is a significantly bigger legend.

He has 25% more assists than the second-most player.  He has 20% more steals.  He consistently led all guards in FG percentage when he played.  I'd argue Malone was #2 to him.

Fair comparison to Malone.

Note that I need no recitation of stats and percentages to prove player importance with regard to Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Kareem.  People just know.

If you were a Jazz fan you wouldn't either.


I assumed this was true.  If you were a homer, you'd be a homer, is pretty universal.  I'm sure there are a lot of Gary Payton and Clyde Drexler legend arguments out there.
 
2022-01-26 2:44:27 PM  

Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Or really, a basketball fan.  His argument boils down to "athletes in major media markets are better known to the general public than players from small media markets."

That's a rather flimsy strawman.  If that was my argument, I would have just said it and then added Patrick Ewing.  Maybe I'd throw James Worthy in for fun.


Patrick Ewing's jumpshooting is legendary.
 
2022-01-26 3:06:41 PM  

dfelixster: He has the record for assists (thanks to the Mailman's dominance around the basket) so I think legend is a fair claim, but he was equally legendary for being the patron saint of flopping. He's always been a whiny twit.


He's still accumulating his assist record by passing COVID.
 
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