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2022-01-25 7:06:13 PM  
Maybe he deserves it, maybe not, but if he deserves to be there, a lot of other guys should probably be in as well.
 
2022-01-25 9:29:59 PM  
In terms of fame, sure. Lots and lots of clutch hits and big moments.

In terms of production, is there really a difference between him and Carlos Delgado? A few more productive seasons at the end of his career than Delgado.

When Delgado finally got to the postseason, he was a monster.
 
2022-01-25 9:40:11 PM  
I'm okay with those three guys not getting in.
 
2022-01-25 9:43:38 PM  
A-Rod was a better player by pretty much -every- metric, yet only got 34%...
 
2022-01-25 9:43:40 PM  

NeoCortex42: Maybe he deserves it, maybe not, but if he deserves to be there, a lot of other guys should probably be in as well.


Start with Pete Rose, and then we'll talk about Barroid* and company.
 
2022-01-25 9:50:27 PM  
Can't field, run, pitch, or pass a drug test

/Hypocrisy.  skinnyBonds was twice the player
//Boring, slow, taken over by made-up stats
/// sooo, done with baseball.
 
2022-01-25 9:51:01 PM  
Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.
 
2022-01-25 9:51:19 PM  

Dafatone: In terms of fame, sure. Lots and lots of clutch hits and big moments.

In terms of production, is there really a difference between him and Carlos Delgado? A few more productive seasons at the end of his career than Delgado.

When Delgado finally got to the postseason, he was a monster.


Delgado not going into the HoF was a crime.
 
2022-01-25 9:55:08 PM  
Known users can get in if they are nice guys?  Is this the standard now?
 
2022-01-25 9:58:37 PM  

Too Tired to Think: Can't field, run, pitch, or pass a drug test

/Hypocrisy.  skinnyBonds was twice the player
//Boring, slow, taken over by made-up stats
/// sooo, done with baseball.


Prove it.
 
2022-01-25 10:00:26 PM  
Papi wasn't a Gold Glover by any means at 1B, but he was no Dick Stuart either. He rarely played first because he didn't need to.
 
2022-01-25 10:00:40 PM  

bluorangefyre: NeoCortex42: Maybe he deserves it, maybe not, but if he deserves to be there, a lot of other guys should probably be in as well.

Start with Pete Rose, and then we'll talk about Barroid* and company.


fark Pete Rose. He willingly agreed to the ban so that the league would stop investigating him. And Mario Soto wants his arm back.
 
2022-01-25 10:02:07 PM  
Big Papi: In a New York state of mind
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2022-01-25 10:03:05 PM  
Hey, for rose and bonds and the other cheaters who got away with it, go ahead and put a phone charging station up outside so people can look up the records.
But if the hall is more than just a record book then it has to be more. So Fark rose cheaters. Some trophies you just don't get.
 
2022-01-25 10:04:10 PM  

JuicePats: Too Tired to Think: Can't field, run, pitch, or pass a drug test

/Hypocrisy.  skinnyBonds was twice the player
//Boring, slow, taken over by made-up stats
/// sooo, done with baseball.

Prove it.


2003 Mitchell Report.
 
2022-01-25 10:08:56 PM  
Haters, Papi was clutch and was the reason the Sox got their first World Series in decades.
 
2022-01-25 10:14:07 PM  

tonguedepressor: Haters, Papi was clutch and was the reason the Sox got their first World Series in decades.


So? How's that equate to being in the hall?
 
2022-01-25 10:14:29 PM  
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2022-01-25 10:14:29 PM  
Rolen is much more deserving of being in.
 
2022-01-25 10:20:09 PM  

TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.


Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.
 
2022-01-25 10:22:13 PM  
Can't pass a drug test, shouldn't be in the HOF, period.
 
2022-01-25 10:28:48 PM  
I predict this thread will be filled with reasonable, level-headed discussion, and free of vitriol.
 
2022-01-25 10:32:29 PM  

The Smails Kid: I predict this thread will be filled with reasonable, level-headed discussion, and free of vitriol.


BAN THE DH!
 
2022-01-25 10:36:09 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: The Smails Kid: I predict this thread will be filled with reasonable, level-headed discussion, and free of vitriol.

BAN THE DH!


Honestly though, universal DH lets me cut the cord pretty easily. I'm a Pirates fan in SoCal, so I barely see any games as it is. And I'm a small ball, dead era type fan, so there's really nothing there for me anymore anyway.
 
2022-01-25 10:38:44 PM  
For the haters, his only connection to anything related to PEDs:

"Even if your name was on that [anonymous] list, it's entirely possible that you were not a positive. I don't think anyone understands very well what that list was."
-Commissioner Rob Manfred

Congrats, Ortiz!
 
2022-01-25 10:40:21 PM  

Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.


Agreed he was a shoo-in for the hall of fame before he ever started taking Roids.  he screwed himself over just as much as Rose did.
 
2022-01-25 10:42:05 PM  

drewogatory: Olympic Trolling Judge: The Smails Kid: I predict this thread will be filled with reasonable, level-headed discussion, and free of vitriol.

BAN THE DH!

Honestly though, universal DH lets me cut the cord pretty easily. I'm a Pirates fan in SoCal, so I barely see any games as it is. And I'm a small ball, dead era type fan, so there's really nothing there for me anymore anyway.


..and I still equate people who biatch about the DH to those who think the forward pass ruined football
 
2022-01-25 10:46:24 PM  

Groupon boob job: For the haters, his only connection to anything related to PEDs:

"Even if your name was on that [anonymous] list, it's entirely possible that you were not a positive. I don't think anyone understands very well what that list was."
-Commissioner Rob Manfred

Congrats, Ortiz!


And yet, there are others who never tested positive save that list who aren't in.
 
2022-01-25 10:46:32 PM  

Too Tired to Think: Can't field, run, pitch, or pass a drug test

/Hypocrisy.  skinnyBonds was twice the player
//Boring, slow, taken over by made-up stats
/// sooo, done with baseball.


Ok.  See you at pickle ball court then.  Bye.
 
2022-01-25 10:55:40 PM  

The Bestest: drewogatory: Olympic Trolling Judge: The Smails Kid: I predict this thread will be filled with reasonable, level-headed discussion, and free of vitriol.

BAN THE DH!

Honestly though, universal DH lets me cut the cord pretty easily. I'm a Pirates fan in SoCal, so I barely see any games as it is. And I'm a small ball, dead era type fan, so there's really nothing there for me anymore anyway.

..and I still equate people who biatch about the DH to those who think the forward pass ruined football


And you're still allowed to be wrong.
 
2022-01-25 10:59:00 PM  

Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.


I've long had a theory that if Bonds hadn't turned himself into a Frankenstein's monster of 'roids and HGH the Giants would have been a far better team, probably winning the 2002 WS along the way.  Instead he made it all about himself.
 
2022-01-25 11:05:04 PM  

Flappyhead: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

I've long had a theory that if Bonds hadn't turned himself into a Frankenstein's monster of 'roids and HGH the Giants would have been a far better team, probably winning the 2002 WS along the way.  Instead he made it all about himself.


Dude was all about himself since his first day in the minors.  Maybe the roids made it worse, but he had a big head before he had a big head.
 
2022-01-25 11:07:07 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: And you're still allowed to be wrong.


Sorry. I have TRIED, and I just can't wrap my head around why the DH is such a goddamned huge hangup with so many people.

1. By and large, pitchers -can't hit for shiat-. The ones that can are unicorns. There's a reason Ohtani is such a huge deal
2. ..and there's a reason for this. They are FAR more specialized in terms of training and in-game activity than any other position, not to mention they don't play every day
3. ..and thus it makes all the sense in the world that they get an exception for batting. A designated hitter, if you will

-"It makes the game more strategic". Bullshiat. It gives managers an -extra annoyance- to deal with.
-"..but Babe Ruth" ..stopped pitching when he started focusing on his plate production
 
2022-01-25 11:11:29 PM  

cefm: Hey, for rose and bonds and the other cheaters who got away with it, go ahead and put a phone charging station up outside so people can look up the records.
But if the hall is more than just a record book then it has to be more. So Fark rose cheaters. Some trophies you just don't get.


It is the "National Baseball's Hall of Fame and Museum"

The museum part has featured the Black Sox, Rose, and the big steroid users. And it will continue to, as it should. Them not being in the Hall doesn't mean pretending they don't exist.

I think Bonds, etc should get inducted years down the line. The fact is that the public, the writers, and MLB knew about the steroid use and we're encouraging it in the late 1990s and early 2000s as it revived int rest in baseball following 1994. However at the same time I do like a point being made of the BBWAA not inducting them, making them wait for the veterans committee and inducting them after they have died or just getting it all over with one year.

Rose should burn in hell.
 
2022-01-25 11:16:00 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Flappyhead: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

I've long had a theory that if Bonds hadn't turned himself into a Frankenstein's monster of 'roids and HGH the Giants would have been a far better team, probably winning the 2002 WS along the way.  Instead he made it all about himself.

Dude was all about himself since his first day in the minors.  Maybe the roids made it worse, but he had a big head before he had a big head.


I don't disagree with you.  My line of thinking is that the juicing essentially made him impossible to protect in the lineup, hence you get moments like walking him with the bases loaded.
 
2022-01-25 11:36:46 PM  

Flappyhead: Jeebus Saves: Flappyhead: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

I've long had a theory that if Bonds hadn't turned himself into a Frankenstein's monster of 'roids and HGH the Giants would have been a far better team, probably winning the 2002 WS along the way.  Instead he made it all about himself.

Dude was all about himself since his first day in the minors.  Maybe the roids made it worse, but he had a big head before he had a big head.

I don't disagree with you.  My line of thinking is that the juicing essentially made him impossible to protect in the lineup, hence you get moments like walking him with the bases loaded.


I see where you're coming from.  Probably would have been better to just be really farking good and maybe have pitchers think they could get you to hit into a double play every now and then.
 
2022-01-25 11:47:39 PM  
It's a sport. You guys argue about it like baseball was created by God. Baseball is one boring, slow moving sport. Thank heavens Sosa and McGuire were juices up and hitting home runs left and right.

I've never seen a football game in person, but I've read that watching it live can be as tedious as watching baseball.
 
2022-01-25 11:53:03 PM  

Flappyhead: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

I've long had a theory that if Bonds hadn't turned himself into a Frankenstein's monster of 'roids and HGH the Giants would have been a far better team, probably winning the 2002 WS along the way.  Instead he made it all about himself.


It would have helped him in the field that's for sure. Angels comeback in Game 6 was helped in the 8th inning when Bonds struggled with a blooper by Garret Anderson, it could have been first and second, instead 2nd and 3rd with no outs. Giants brought in Robb Nen, Troy Glaus smacked a double to drive in those two runs and Angels completed the comeback.
 
2022-01-25 11:54:41 PM  

Meireles16: Flappyhead: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

I've long had a theory that if Bonds hadn't turned himself into a Frankenstein's monster of 'roids and HGH the Giants would have been a far better team, probably winning the 2002 WS along the way.  Instead he made it all about himself.

It would have helped him in the field that's for sure. Angels comeback in Game 6 was helped in the 8th inning when Bonds struggled with a blooper by Garret Anderson, it could have been first and second, instead 2nd and 3rd with no outs. Giants brought in Robb Nen, Troy Glaus smacked a double to drive in those two runs and Angels completed the comeback.


Bonds had an ops of juuust under 2.000 that series.
 
2022-01-25 11:58:24 PM  

skinink: It's a sport. You guys argue about it like baseball was created by God. Baseball is one boring, slow moving sport. Thank heavens Sosa and McGuire were juices up and hitting home runs left and right.

I've never seen a football game in person, but I've read that watching it live can be as tedious as watching baseball.


Your mother
 
2022-01-26 12:01:46 AM  

Dafatone: Meireles16: Flappyhead: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

I've long had a theory that if Bonds hadn't turned himself into a Frankenstein's monster of 'roids and HGH the Giants would have been a far better team, probably winning the 2002 WS along the way.  Instead he made it all about himself.

It would have helped him in the field that's for sure. Angels comeback in Game 6 was helped in the 8th inning when Bonds struggled with a blooper by Garret Anderson, it could have been first and second, instead 2nd and 3rd with no outs. Giants brought in Robb Nen, Troy Glaus smacked a double to drive in those two runs and Angels completed the comeback.

Bonds had an ops of juuust under 2.000 that series.


Yes, I remember he crushed the ball every time the Angels threw a strike. But he was not a good fielder by that point in his career, that game was in Anaheim, maybe the manager is to blame for not putting him at DH. Speaking of DH, I still think Bonds got blackballed after he broke the record, he was still a great hitter but yet no AL team offers him a contract to DH? That always seemed fishy to me.
 
2022-01-26 12:13:11 AM  

markhwt: tonguedepressor: Haters, Papi was clutch and was the reason the Sox got their first World Series in decades.

So? How's that equate to being in the hall?


Clutch is an unwritten stat.
 
2022-01-26 12:26:53 AM  

The Bestest: Hillbilly Jim: And you're still allowed to be wrong.

Sorry. I have TRIED, and I just can't wrap my head around why the DH is such a goddamned huge hangup with so many people.

1. By and large, pitchers -can't hit for shiat-. The ones that can are unicorns. There's a reason Ohtani is such a huge deal
2. ..and there's a reason for this. They are FAR more specialized in terms of training and in-game activity than any other position, not to mention they don't play every day
3. ..and thus it makes all the sense in the world that they get an exception for batting. A designated hitter, if you will

-"It makes the game more strategic". Bullshiat. It gives managers an -extra annoyance- to deal with.
-"..but Babe Ruth" ..stopped pitching when he started focusing on his plate production


Because, stay with me here, it's 9 players a side. If you don't want the pitcher to hit (which is a wrong, bad and stupid take), doesn't it make more sense to just have an 8 man order?
 
2022-01-26 12:29:58 AM  
First, if you can't throw out Sid Bream in a do-or-die situation, you don't deserve to be in the Hall.

Second, I don't care what your argument is about steroids keeping out players or not if you use Pete Rose as a comparison.  That bastard love-child of Prince Valiant walked by the clubhouse sign of Rule 21 every day of his playing and managerial career, and he chose to continuously break those rules and commit felonies in the process.  If Cooperstown gives him a plaque while he's still alive, that and that alone will be their greatest failure.

Third, the DH is an abomination.  Period.  Nine men field, nine men hit.

Finally, those of you who whine about the sport being boring, take your goddamn ADHD meds.
 
2022-01-26 1:39:30 AM  

The Bestest: A-Rod was a better player by pretty much -every- metric, yet only got 34%...


And he admitted it.  He may have a better shot.
 
2022-01-26 1:42:47 AM  
I'm undecided about whether he deserves to be in, but I can see why he is. He was coming up with the Twins when I lived in Minnesota, and when they didn't have a roster spot for him, they went way out of their way calling around the league to find him a good situation for no real return, just because everyone loved the dude so much personally.
 
2022-01-26 2:03:28 AM  
Might as well put Kim Kardashian in.
 
2022-01-26 2:15:15 AM  

Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.


It's just funny to me to pretend he isn't a HOF player to prove a point about steroids. Again, baseball is a sport way too caught up it's own butthole so I'm not exactly surprised it happened. Bonds is an asshole and he shouldn't have taken steroids but he's one of the best baseball players of all time.
 
2022-01-26 2:23:53 AM  

TheJoe03: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

It's just funny to me to pretend he isn't a HOF player to prove a point about steroids. Again, baseball is a sport way too caught up it's own butthole so I'm not exactly surprised it happened. Bonds is an asshole and he shouldn't have taken steroids but he's one of the best baseball players of all time.


Where does it say that shouldn't be an HOF consideration? As far as I am aware the only criteria is the voters want to vote for the person.
 
2022-01-26 2:36:17 AM  

dywed88: TheJoe03: Jeebus Saves: TheJoe03: Barry Bonds NOT being in the HOF makes the whole thing suspect, baseball needs to get out of its own ass.

Bonds made his bed.  If he stayed clean, he would have been in on the first ballot with better numbers than Griffey.  Instead, he gets lumped in with McGuire and Sosa.  Hell, he retires after 10 seasons he gets in easy.

It's just funny to me to pretend he isn't a HOF player to prove a point about steroids. Again, baseball is a sport way too caught up it's own butthole so I'm not exactly surprised it happened. Bonds is an asshole and he shouldn't have taken steroids but he's one of the best baseball players of all time.

Where does it say that shouldn't be an HOF consideration? As far as I am aware the only criteria is the voters want to vote for the person.


Not sure what your point is, my point is simply that he's one of the greatest baseball players ever and should be in the Hall of Fame, that's it. The steroids didn't make him a hall of famer, in my opinion, and I personally don't like the holier than thou bullshiat from the baseball writers that voted.
 
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