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2022-01-25 6:54:13 PM  
I hope we get a nice 4K UHD blu-ray release of this because I'm still not subscribing to Paramount+.
 
2022-01-25 6:56:06 PM  
90 more minutes of reaction shots to colored lights?

Yes I know the film was rushed in post and some of the effects shots weren't finished, or were cut.
 
2022-01-25 6:57:01 PM  
Star Trek: The Motion Picture - The Director's Edition remaster will debut on the Paramount+ streaming service sometime later this year.

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2022-01-25 6:58:49 PM  
No Butthole Cut.......yet.
 
2022-01-25 6:59:16 PM  
The transporter malfunction shot first.
 
2022-01-25 7:14:03 PM  

OkieDookie: 90 more minutes of reaction shots to colored lights?

Yes I know the film was rushed in post and some of the effects shots weren't finished, or were cut.


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2022-01-25 7:14:08 PM  

OkieDookie: 90 more minutes of reaction shots to colored lights?

Yes I know the film was rushed in post and some of the effects shots weren't finished, or were cut.


And an extra half-hour of the Enterprise coming out of Spacedock.
 
2022-01-25 7:16:28 PM  
What format is the original film master in? I know you can't take a 128kb/s mp3 and re-encode it to 256kb/s and GAIN quality... I know much, much less about film
 
2022-01-25 7:18:15 PM  
So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.
 
2022-01-25 7:39:08 PM  
I was going to make a phaser/walkie talkie joke, but that was Spielberg.

😞
 
2022-01-25 8:00:10 PM  

shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.


I've always said it is a great Sci-Fi film but it is not a great Trek film.
 
2022-01-25 8:00:19 PM  

Seamer: What format is the original film master in? I know you can't take a 128kb/s mp3 and re-encode it to 256kb/s and GAIN quality... I know much, much less about film


Depending on the ISO and film grain, the 35mm film of the original negatives comes in somewhere around 10-20 million pixels or resolution, so the original footage is somewhere between 4K and 8K of digital resolution.
 
2022-01-25 8:03:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Seamer: What format is the original film master in? I know you can't take a 128kb/s mp3 and re-encode it to 256kb/s and GAIN quality... I know much, much less about film

Depending on the ISO and film grain, the 35mm film of the original negatives comes in somewhere around 10-20 million pixels or resolution, so the original footage is somewhere between 4K and 8K of digital resolution.


Yeah, I believe it had had some 70mm prints in the original run, but the negatives are 35mm.  Could easily remaster in 4k but might need to re-do some VFX to look good.
 
2022-01-25 8:30:24 PM  

Archie Goodwin: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

I've always said it is a great Sci-Fi film but it is not a great Trek film.


It was a good Trek episode before they awkwardly mashed it together with 2001.
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2022-01-25 8:52:19 PM  

shroom: Mad_Radhu: Seamer: What format is the original film master in? I know you can't take a 128kb/s mp3 and re-encode it to 256kb/s and GAIN quality... I know much, much less about film

Depending on the ISO and film grain, the 35mm film of the original negatives comes in somewhere around 10-20 million pixels or resolution, so the original footage is somewhere between 4K and 8K of digital resolution.

Yeah, I believe it had had some 70mm prints in the original run, but the negatives are 35mm.  Could easily remaster in 4k but might need to re-do some VFX to look good.


For a restoration like they they typically rescan the film elements for the negatives and digitally composite them to get rid of a lot of the graininess and bad mattes that happened with the old school optical composting techniques.
 
2022-01-25 8:55:21 PM  

Smashed Hat: I hope we get a nice 4K UHD blu-ray release of this because I'm still not subscribing to Paramount+.


Yup. That would be awesome. I'm really looking forward to this!
 
2022-01-25 9:10:18 PM  

EdgeRunner: Archie Goodwin: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

I've always said it is a great Sci-Fi film but it is not a great Trek film.

It was a good Trek episode before they awkwardly mashed it together with 2001.
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Kirk used the same "logic bomb" on Norman, 4 episodes later.
 
2022-01-25 9:44:14 PM  
That's the one with the whales, right?
 
2022-01-25 10:27:17 PM  

NathanAllen: That's the one with the whales, right?


No, that was The Phantom Menace.
 
2022-01-25 10:29:58 PM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: OkieDookie: 90 more minutes of reaction shots to colored lights?

Yes I know the film was rushed in post and some of the effects shots weren't finished, or were cut.

And an extra half-hour of the Enterprise coming out of Spacedock.


That just reminded me how great the second to last episode of the first season of Lower Decks was ("Crisis Point").  It parodied the movies in a hilarious way, Newsome's deliberately over-the-top delivery being a huge part.
 
2022-01-25 10:33:17 PM  
Did they remaster it to make it not boring af?

/where NOMAD has gone before
 
2022-01-25 10:46:43 PM  

NathanAllen: That's the one with the whales, right?


Scotty and Shatner might have gained some weight but...
 
2022-01-25 11:41:43 PM  

shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.


Nimoy had made it clear on more than one occasion that he did not have a good time filming ST:TMP. And apparently it was a factor in his insistence that the only way he would agree to do Wrath of Khan was if Spock dies.
 
2022-01-26 12:00:51 AM  

browneye: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

Nimoy had made it clear on more than one occasion that he did not have a good time filming ST:TMP. And apparently it was a factor in his insistence that the only way he would agree to do Wrath of Khan was if Spock dies.


True. The only reason he came back was they had him direct ST3.
 
2022-01-26 12:07:17 AM  

ZMugg: browneye: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

Nimoy had made it clear on more than one occasion that he did not have a good time filming ST:TMP. And apparently it was a factor in his insistence that the only way he would agree to do Wrath of Khan was if Spock dies.

True. The only reason he came back was they had him direct ST3.


So why did he do 5 and 6?
 
2022-01-26 12:23:33 AM  
And it still won't look as good as Kubrick's 2001.

Kubrick: "CGI? What the fark is CGI?"
 
2022-01-26 12:33:26 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: And it still won't look as good as Kubrick's 2001.

Kubrick: "CGI? What the fark is CGI?"


Same question they would have asked during the original filming of ST: TMP. It wasn't until Wrath of Khan that CGI became an option.
 
2022-01-26 12:38:52 AM  

EdgeRunner: Pointy Tail of Satan: And it still won't look as good as Kubrick's 2001.

Kubrick: "CGI? What the fark is CGI?"

Same question they would have asked during the original filming of ST: TMP. It wasn't until Wrath of Khan that CGI became an option.


Only during the Genesis demo
 
2022-01-26 1:00:33 AM  

Mugato: EdgeRunner: Pointy Tail of Satan: And it still won't look as good as Kubrick's 2001.

Kubrick: "CGI? What the fark is CGI?"

Same question they would have asked during the original filming of ST: TMP. It wasn't until Wrath of Khan that CGI became an option.

Only during the Genesis demo


And it was so insanely expensive back then, they reused it in III to squeeze as much value as they could from it.
 
2022-01-26 1:06:06 AM  

Mugato: ZMugg: browneye: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

Nimoy had made it clear on more than one occasion that he did not have a good time filming ST:TMP. And apparently it was a factor in his insistence that the only way he would agree to do Wrath of Khan was if Spock dies.

True. The only reason he came back was they had him direct ST3.

So why did he do 5 and 6?


I have no idea.
 
2022-01-26 1:19:40 AM  

Mugato: Did they remaster it to make it not boring af?

/where NOMAD has gone before


Does it make it more interesting if you know that unofficial cannon says the race that boosted V'ger was the Borg?

There's a line that runs the Borg found Voyager 6 and gave it the tools to finish it's directive. Or you can take the other line that V'ger created the Borg. Given that they both gain knowledge through assimilation. There is some interesting possibilities.

Since the probe went through a wormhole, erroneously assumed by its creators to be a black hole, it could have gone back in time as well for the Borg-creation thoery.
 
2022-01-26 1:56:36 AM  

Boudyro: Does it make it more interesting if you know that unofficial cannon says the race that boosted V'ger was the Borg?


Honestly? Not really. When all the stories get tied together like that, it shrinks the universe and makes it less interesting IMHO. It's the same problem Star Wars has where everyone's related or otherwise connected to each other.
 
2022-01-26 4:31:03 AM  
TMP is still my favourite of all the films. Not perfect but very very good.
 
2022-01-26 4:44:32 AM  

Mugato: So why did he do 5 and 6?


I assume because that was around the time he got the fark over himself and started enjoying playing Spock again
 
2022-01-26 7:53:27 AM  

shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.


I watched all of TOS, in order, a couple years ago. Then waited a couple weeks and did the ST:TMP. The payoff was amazing. I was still used to the 60s era effects and pacing so the movie really stood out as a huge improvement to me. Plus, after watching tv quality shots of the Big E for weeks the movie reveal really hit hard. I cant imagine waiting 10 years and then being given the last visual buffet for my patience. It's like Endgame - if you didnt see it in the theater with a huge buildup then the payoff way lowers whenever you do watch it.
 
2022-01-26 8:15:57 AM  

TelemonianAjax: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

I watched all of TOS, in order, a couple years ago. Then waited a couple weeks and did the ST:TMP. The payoff was amazing. I was still used to the 60s era effects and pacing so the movie really stood out as a huge improvement to me. Plus, after watching tv quality shots of the Big E for weeks the movie reveal really hit hard. I cant imagine waiting 10 years and then being given the last visual buffet for my patience. It's like Endgame - if you didnt see it in the theater with a huge buildup then the payoff way lowers whenever you do watch it.


I don't have to imagine waiting 10 years and then seeing it in the theater.  My mother used to let me stay up and watch TOS with her when I was a wee lad. And growing up I watched the series over and over because face it, there wasn't a lot of anything on TV back then let alone science fiction.  I used to go to the PSST (Puget Sound Star Trekker) cons.  I owned the Star Fleet technical manual and every one of the Star Trek novels.  So when it was finally going to be a movie I was incredibly excited.  Then I went with my friend who was also a fanatic Trekker to see it on the big screen with all sorts of great special effects and high resolution. And it still bored the crap out of me.  I mean it was entertaining enough but you could cut an hour out of it and lose nothing.
 
2022-01-26 9:03:26 AM  
A) are they going to retcon the whole V'ger is Borg thing?
B) will they fix the FX of Scotty and Kirk in the shuttle craft?  It always looked like they scotch-taped a picture of the two of them on the front of a shuttle model
 
2022-01-26 9:22:51 AM  

buntz: A) are they going to retcon the whole V'ger is Borg thing?
B) will they fix the FX of Scotty and Kirk in the shuttle craft?  It always looked like they scotch-taped a picture of the two of them on the front of a shuttle model


V'ger as a Borg really doesn't make sense. Instead of blasting ships, it would have been assimilating their crews. And with traditional Borg assimilation, not by atomizing people and then creating robot replicas.

It also wouldn't have gone away just because someone volunteered to show it the power of love.
 
2022-01-26 9:24:12 AM  

Mugato: ZMugg: browneye: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

Nimoy had made it clear on more than one occasion that he did not have a good time filming ST:TMP. And apparently it was a factor in his insistence that the only way he would agree to do Wrath of Khan was if Spock dies.

True. The only reason he came back was they had him direct ST3.

So why did he do 5 and 6?


Money, getting old, nostalgia, doing Shatner a favor (regarding 5, of course), wanted to be part of ending the series, people change....take your pick. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2022-01-26 9:25:09 AM  
Borg assimilate things into the collective.  They don't upgrade individuals and send them back out.
 
2022-01-26 10:10:41 AM  

NathanAllen: That's the one with the whales, right?


No...it's the one with the child molester.
 
2022-01-26 10:54:06 AM  

EasilyDistracted: NathanAllen: That's the one with the whales, right?

No...it's the one with the child molester.


What does a child molester need with a starship?
 
2022-01-26 11:04:02 AM  

shroom: EasilyDistracted: NathanAllen: That's the one with the whales, right?

No...it's the one with the child molester.

What does a child molester need with a starship?


With the schools traveling everywhere on Federation starships, he needed his own ship to keep him constantly positioned 100 yards away.
 
2022-01-26 11:59:25 AM  

skyotter: Borg assimilate things into the collective.  They don't upgrade individuals and send them back out.


I don't feel particularly compelled to defend the notion, it's a goofy hashed together notion that's merely fun to play with, and has been given some support from Trek creators.

Bit consider even the Borg evolve over time.

Things could have been very different when they met Voyager 6. Things may have changed as V'ger collected data and achieved sentience. There's literally no way V'ger completed it's mission without running in to the Borg. So it may have merely adapted after meeting them. V'ger is after all well in advance of the Borg by the 23rd century.

Also keep in mind that Decker keyed the probe to transmit it's data, and supposedly it was transmitting "all that was learnable" and yet it's data is never mentioned again, nor does the federation get hyper realistic androids, plasma weapons, or V'ger level propulsion and field generation.

Borg or no it may well have been modified by whoever to be a probe for them to go beyond their borders.

I've always thought it only transmitted it's data to Decker, thus creating a god-like being, and not making the Federation even more overpowered.
 
2022-01-26 12:07:08 PM  

Boudyro: skyotter: Borg assimilate things into the collective.  They don't upgrade individuals and send them back out.

I don't feel particularly compelled to defend the notion, it's a goofy hashed together notion that's merely fun to play with, and has been given some support from Trek creators.

Bit consider even the Borg evolve over time.

Things could have been very different when they met Voyager 6. Things may have changed as V'ger collected data and achieved sentience. There's literally no way V'ger completed it's mission without running in to the Borg. So it may have merely adapted after meeting them. V'ger is after all well in advance of the Borg by the 23rd century.

Also keep in mind that Decker keyed the probe to transmit it's data, and supposedly it was transmitting "all that was learnable" and yet it's data is never mentioned again, nor does the federation get hyper realistic androids, plasma weapons, or V'ger level propulsion and field generation.

Borg or no it may well have been modified by whoever to be a probe for them to go beyond their borders.

I've always thought it only transmitted it's data to Decker, thus creating a god-like being, and not making the Federation even more overpowered.


Now you've got me wondering if they're going to tie V'ger into the Probe from Discovery some day.
 
2022-01-26 12:07:53 PM  

shroom: Boudyro: skyotter: Borg assimilate things into the collective.  They don't upgrade individuals and send them back out.

I don't feel particularly compelled to defend the notion, it's a goofy hashed together notion that's merely fun to play with, and has been given some support from Trek creators.

Bit consider even the Borg evolve over time.

Things could have been very different when they met Voyager 6. Things may have changed as V'ger collected data and achieved sentience. There's literally no way V'ger completed it's mission without running in to the Borg. So it may have merely adapted after meeting them. V'ger is after all well in advance of the Borg by the 23rd century.

Also keep in mind that Decker keyed the probe to transmit it's data, and supposedly it was transmitting "all that was learnable" and yet it's data is never mentioned again, nor does the federation get hyper realistic androids, plasma weapons, or V'ger level propulsion and field generation.

Borg or no it may well have been modified by whoever to be a probe for them to go beyond their borders.

I've always thought it only transmitted it's data to Decker, thus creating a god-like being, and not making the Federation even more overpowered.

Now you've got me wondering if they're going to tie V'ger into the Probe from Discovery some day.


Er, "sphere", or whatever.
 
2022-01-26 12:12:04 PM  
After Robert Able & associates spent several million dollars and did not produce a single frame of usable special effects, they were fired and Douglas Trumbull was brought in, and with his three crews working 24 hours a day for 6 months, managed to pull off some rather remarkable effects. That said there were a few wobbly composite shots, dodgy matte paintings, and the projected shots of Kirk and Scotty in the shuttlecraft do look pretty flat. But overall they did an amazing job. Too bad the film is still such a plotting boring unfocused mess. I remember seeing it opening night and coming away impressed with the visuals and the outstanding musical score, but thinking the rest was utterly forgettable. That said I'm very glad they're going to be issuing the film in a nicely remastered high quality version
 
2022-01-26 12:24:53 PM  

Mugato: ZMugg: browneye: shroom: So, I bought the blu-rays of all 10 TOS and TNG movies when they came out, and re-watched all of them except Nemesis, because it's ass.  The Motion Picture is not as terrible as I remember it being when I was younger.  Granted, it's completely different in tone and style from the II-IV trilogy that followed it, and I don't think the director really understood the show.  Actually, if you watch the special features, Nimoy makes the same argument.  I don't know that's a great "Star Trek" film, but as sci-fi on its own it's not that bad.  The Enterprise-fly-around reveal sequence is a little long.

Nimoy had made it clear on more than one occasion that he did not have a good time filming ST:TMP. And apparently it was a factor in his insistence that the only way he would agree to do Wrath of Khan was if Spock dies.

True. The only reason he came back was they had him direct ST3.

So why did he do 5 and 6?


Gonna guess here and say the reason were stacks of rectangular pieces of papers that have numbers on the corners, and pictures of dead Presidents
 
2022-01-26 12:37:11 PM  
         The Borg didn't even know about humans and the Federation until Q's intradition.   /fark keeps farking    up my formatting
 
2022-01-26 2:18:35 PM  

Mugato: The Borg didn't even know about humans and the Federation until Q's intradition.   /fark keeps farking    up my formatting


People who want a V'ger/Borg connection can just say it bounced forward into the future and then back again. Timey wimey wibbly wobbly fixes everything.
 
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