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2022-01-25 11:14:33 AM  
Thereyago.

It is good that face has a different qualitative evaluation in the area that it does points further east, or Putin would be in danger of losing all sorts of standing when this pincushion of international affairs deflates.

Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.
 
2022-01-25 11:49:48 AM  

Myrdinn: Thereyago.

It is good that face has a different qualitative evaluation in the area that it does points further east, or Putin would be in danger of losing all sorts of standing when this pincushion of international affairs deflates.

Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.


Perhaps but then you wonder, "If he goes for a grand war in Europe, how quickly the grip in his own country would loosen?"

At some point his own resources on keeping control at home while waging war outside Russia's borders are going to affect one or both positions.
 
2022-01-25 12:08:27 PM  

Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.


Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.
 
2022-01-25 12:26:02 PM  
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Watch the saltibarscius for polonium, sensei.
 
2022-01-25 12:36:53 PM  
Sorry buddy they didn't have nukes or warplanes in 1645.  Thankfully.
 
2022-01-25 12:38:23 PM  
Uh oh....the Russians may upset the Duchy of Grand Fenwick next.
 
2022-01-25 12:41:41 PM  
Russia passed the Duchy on the left-hand side.
 
2022-01-25 12:43:28 PM  
Grand Duchy of Lithuania sounds like something a couple stoners would be trying to steal in a movie starring seth rogan
 
2022-01-25 12:44:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.


It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!
 
2022-01-25 12:45:23 PM  

WordsnCollision: Russia passed the Duchy on the left-hand side.


That song's not getting out of my head any time soon.
 
2022-01-25 12:46:12 PM  

raerae1980: Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.

It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!


Got a few countries in between you and Russia.
 
2022-01-25 12:47:06 PM  

Headso: Grand Duchy of Lithuania sounds like something a couple stoners would be trying to steal in a movie starring seth rogan


Don't knock medieval Lithuania. They kicked pretty much everyone's ass, including the Russians and the Germans.
 
2022-01-25 12:47:29 PM  
Russia still acts like a Tsarist regime. They just cannot get the hang of democracy sadly.
 
2022-01-25 12:48:22 PM  
This is some god-tier trolling. 
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2022-01-25 12:49:28 PM  

pheelix: WordsnCollision: Russia passed the Duchy on the left-hand side.

That song's not getting out of my head any time soon.


in STEREO STEREO?

on the DISCO?
 
2022-01-25 12:50:08 PM  

raerae1980: Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.

It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!


Putin isn't going to get much further than Ukraine.

His materiel is mostly worn out crap.
 
2022-01-25 12:50:56 PM  

WordsnCollision: Russia passed the Duchy on the left-hand side.


Reminds me of Jim Sweeney's performance.

Authors (a day in the life of a nursery school) - Whose Line UK
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/"Don't bogart that joint, biatch." said the big caterpillar in the corner!
 
2022-01-25 12:51:17 PM  
Er, Vlad...

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2022-01-25 12:51:21 PM  
The traditional geopolitical roles in Europe are dangerously out of skew. 
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2022-01-25 12:52:28 PM  

raerae1980: Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.

It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!


Meh. The Roman Pantheon is just The Greek Pantheon with different names.

You might like the Irish Pantheon (The Tuatha Dé Danann) tho. The Morrigan, for example, is the goddess of battle, death, power and magic and sometimes cosplays as a Raven the size of the pterosaur Quetzalcoatlus
 
2022-01-25 12:52:43 PM  

raerae1980: Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.

It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!


It's safer if you put a password on the meeting invite.
 
2022-01-25 12:53:41 PM  
Live by claims that region historically belongs to you, die by claims that a region historically belongs to someone else.
 
2022-01-25 12:54:08 PM  

ArkPanda: Headso: Grand Duchy of Lithuania sounds like something a couple stoners would be trying to steal in a movie starring seth rogan

Don't knock medieval Lithuania. They kicked pretty much everyone's ass, including the Russians and the Germans.


And invented basketball

Lithuanians invented basketball
Youtube -6XzIoL-tvU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SErXWYgXOc
 
2022-01-25 12:56:32 PM  
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Did a GIS and was not disappointed.
 
2022-01-25 12:57:10 PM  
And that's an actual treaty.

The only treaty regarding Ukraine and Russia was that Russia recognized Ukraine's national and territorial integrity in return for their nuclear missiles that they had there back in the early 90s

Which included both the Donbas and Crimea - so Russia has been in violation of this for some time, now - a causus belli in almost any other circumstance.
 
2022-01-25 12:57:21 PM  
Considering Russian history with wars and revolutions, Putin is playing a stupid game.
 
2022-01-25 12:58:09 PM  

whidbey: pheelix: WordsnCollision: Russia passed the Duchy on the left-hand side.

That song's not getting out of my head any time soon.

in STEREO STEREO?

on the DISCO?


Just the one line, stuck in a loop like a skipping record.
 
2022-01-25 12:58:11 PM  

LewDux: ArkPanda: Headso: Grand Duchy of Lithuania sounds like something a couple stoners would be trying to steal in a movie starring seth rogan

Don't knock medieval Lithuania. They kicked pretty much everyone's ass, including the Russians and the Germans.

And invented basketball

[YouTube video: Lithuanians invented basketball]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SErXWYgXOc


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With the help of The Grateful Dead
 
2022-01-25 1:02:14 PM  
My brother did a NATO deployment over there and was told Russia could roll over the Baltic states in a matter of hours. I don't know if that's true but it  seems plausible enough to not go trying to provoke them.
 
2022-01-25 1:03:59 PM  
Cute.

In 2022 though, Lithuania's continued independence is conditional mostly on Russia's willingness to respect it.

In all the realistic scenarios wargamed by the Pentagon, it would take three days for Russian forces to re-annex the Baltics, max.

In war and politics, the only promises that are never broken are the ones not made at all.
 
2022-01-25 1:04:08 PM  

RTOGUY: My brother did a NATO deployment over there and was told Russia could roll over the Baltic states in a matter of hours. I don't know if that's true but it  seems plausible enough to not go trying to provoke them.


Rolling over a NATO member would seem to be a poor choice.

/It's this way for exactly that reason.
 
2022-01-25 1:04:54 PM  

whidbey: Sorry buddy they didn't have nukes or warplanes in 1645.  Thankfully.


...but America had airports in 1776.
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2022-01-25 1:06:55 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: Live by claims that region historically belongs to you, die by claims that a region historically belongs to someone else.


In this case Lithuania, but both Poland and Ukraine itself have valid historical claims to large parts of the area.
 
2022-01-25 1:08:37 PM  

iheartscotch: raerae1980: Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.

It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!

Meh. The Roman Pantheon is just The Greek Pantheon with different names.

You might like the Irish Pantheon (The Tuatha Dé Danann) tho. The Morrigan, for example, is the goddess of battle, death, power and magic and sometimes cosplays as a Raven the size of the pterosaur Quetzalcoatlus


Huh...I had no idea.   Thanks for this info!
 
2022-01-25 1:09:33 PM  

UltimaCS: raerae1980: Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.

It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!

It's safer if you put a password on the meeting invite.


I mean......who's gonna crash my party?

*narrows eyes*
 
2022-01-25 1:14:40 PM  

iheartscotch: Uh oh....the Russians may upset the Duchy of Grand Fenwick next.


And that's just one step away from having to face Sir William Regal in a Duchess of Queensbury rules match. Which you DO NOT want.
 
2022-01-25 1:18:21 PM  

ArkPanda: Headso: Grand Duchy of Lithuania sounds like something a couple stoners would be trying to steal in a movie starring seth rogan

Don't knock medieval Lithuania. They kicked pretty much everyone's ass, including the Russians and the Germans.


They had some troubles with a certain Swede king... but everyone in Europe had difficulty with him whenever he decided to fight someone.
Bonus, same dude inspired Napoleon.
 
2022-01-25 1:19:00 PM  

raerae1980: iheartscotch: raerae1980: Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.

It's still safe to move to Italy, then?   THANK THE ROMAN GODS!!

Meh. The Roman Pantheon is just The Greek Pantheon with different names.

You might like the Irish Pantheon (The Tuatha Dé Danann) tho. The Morrigan, for example, is the goddess of battle, death, power and magic and sometimes cosplays as a Raven the size of the pterosaur Quetzalcoatlus

Huh...I had no idea.   Thanks for this info!


The match between Greek and Roman gods is a simplification. There are plenty of Roman gods that don't match exactly like Saturn and Castor and Pollux.
 
2022-01-25 1:19:02 PM  

TommyDeuce: RTOGUY: My brother did a NATO deployment over there and was told Russia could roll over the Baltic states in a matter of hours. I don't know if that's true but it  seems plausible enough to not go trying to provoke them.

Rolling over a NATO member would seem to be a poor choice.

/It's this way for exactly that reason.


It's been surprising to me how few people understand what a treaty alliance actually entails, much less the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
 
2022-01-25 1:22:33 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Myrdinn: Or, you know, he would go for broke in a grand war in Europe.

Putin isn't going to conquer Europe. He is smart enough to know he doesn't have a shot in hell doing it.



Unfortunately, he does have the power to plunge most of the EU and UK into energy chaos in the middle of winter.
 
2022-01-25 1:31:48 PM  

TommyDeuce: RTOGUY: My brother did a NATO deployment over there and was told Russia could roll over the Baltic states in a matter of hours. I don't know if that's true but it  seems plausible enough to not go trying to provoke them.

Rolling over a NATO member would seem to be a poor choice.

/It's this way for exactly that reason.


What NATO member is in danger right now? From tanks I mean.
 
2022-01-25 1:32:30 PM  
Someone has been playing Crusader Kings 3
 
2022-01-25 1:33:58 PM  

MikeyFuccon: Cute.

In 2022 though, Lithuania's continued independence is conditional mostly on Russia's willingness to respect it.

In all the realistic scenarios wargamed by the Pentagon, it would take three days for Russian forces to re-annex the Baltics, max.

In war and politics, the only promises that are never broken are the ones not made at all.


Negative.

Lithuania is a member of NATO.  If Russia attacked them, we would be obligated to attack Russia in return (and basically start World War III).
 
2022-01-25 1:40:49 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: TommyDeuce: RTOGUY: My brother did a NATO deployment over there and was told Russia could roll over the Baltic states in a matter of hours. I don't know if that's true but it  seems plausible enough to not go trying to provoke them.

Rolling over a NATO member would seem to be a poor choice.

/It's this way for exactly that reason.

What NATO member is in danger right now? From tanks I mean.


Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, off the top of my head. There are probably several others- especially if we include partner states.
 
2022-01-25 1:53:06 PM  

ArkPanda: Headso: Grand Duchy of Lithuania sounds like something a couple stoners would be trying to steal in a movie starring seth rogan

Don't knock medieval Lithuania. They kicked pretty much everyone's ass, including the Russians and the Germans.


One of my favorite start locations for early crusader kings games
 
2022-01-25 1:56:52 PM  

Geotpf: MikeyFuccon: Cute.

In 2022 though, Lithuania's continued independence is conditional mostly on Russia's willingness to respect it.

In all the realistic scenarios wargamed by the Pentagon, it would take three days for Russian forces to re-annex the Baltics, max.

In war and politics, the only promises that are never broken are the ones not made at all.

Negative.

Lithuania is a member of NATO.  If Russia attacked them, we would be obligated to attack Russia in return (and basically start World War III).


In principle, yes. But how credible is that commitment?

To put it another way: why attack Ukraine now?

Even the Redcaps are asking: why didn't President Putin invade Ukraine in 2020 when he still controlled the Oval Office (hyuk hyuk)?

Answer: Vovochka didn't have to. He could depend on Trump to give him a free hand in Europe and Asia, so Russia's western neighbours wouldn't assert their independence too strongly.

Vovochka doesn't want Ukraine. It's much poorer than Russia and would be even if it hadn't been irradiated in 1986. He wants the Americans out of Europe for good.

Vovochka is betting that, forced to choose between either risking their lives in a real land war in Europe, or removing the government of the United States and replacing it with something more willing to concede Europe to Russia (a junta or a restored President Trump), white American men in uniform will choose the latter.

Vovochka's a soulless monster. He didn't get where he is today by being a lousy gambler.
 
2022-01-25 2:05:29 PM  

Wenchmaster: White_Scarf_Syndrome: TommyDeuce: RTOGUY: My brother did a NATO deployment over there and was told Russia could roll over the Baltic states in a matter of hours. I don't know if that's true but it  seems plausible enough to not go trying to provoke them.

Rolling over a NATO member would seem to be a poor choice.

/It's this way for exactly that reason.

What NATO member is in danger right now? From tanks I mean.

Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, off the top of my head. There are probably several others- especially if we include partner states.


I haven't heard anything about those countries in regards to the 10K peeps outside Ukraine.
 
2022-01-25 2:07:48 PM  

MikeyFuccon: Geotpf: MikeyFuccon: Cute.

In 2022 though, Lithuania's continued independence is conditional mostly on Russia's willingness to respect it.

In all the realistic scenarios wargamed by the Pentagon, it would take three days for Russian forces to re-annex the Baltics, max.

In war and politics, the only promises that are never broken are the ones not made at all.

Negative.

Lithuania is a member of NATO.  If Russia attacked them, we would be obligated to attack Russia in return (and basically start World War III).

In principle, yes. But how credible is that commitment?

To put it another way: why attack Ukraine now?

Even the Redcaps are asking: why didn't President Putin invade Ukraine in 2020 when he still controlled the Oval Office (hyuk hyuk)?

Answer: Vovochka didn't have to. He could depend on Trump to give him a free hand in Europe and Asia, so Russia's western neighbours wouldn't assert their independence too strongly.

Vovochka doesn't want Ukraine. It's much poorer than Russia and would be even if it hadn't been irradiated in 1986. He wants the Americans out of Europe for good.

Vovochka is betting that, forced to choose between either risking their lives in a real land war in Europe, or removing the government of the United States and replacing it with something more willing to concede Europe to Russia (a junta or a restored President Trump), white American men in uniform will choose the latter.

Vovochka's a soulless monster. He didn't get where he is today by being a lousy gambler.


I think he does want Ukraine. It's part of his life goal of putting the Soviet Union back together. Look at how much effort he's spent on the Central Asian republics which are even poorer.

But I'm not sure what his goal is currently. If he wants a war he's going about it in an odd way and telegraphing all his moves. Maybe he's trying for a pro Russian coup that will give him what he wants.

Of course it's possible that he miscalculates and gets a war anyway. It reminds me a little of the 6 Day War when Nasser thought he could provoke Israel just enough but not too much.
 
2022-01-25 2:12:56 PM  
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Lots of people had treaties in the 1600s promising them no westward expansion.  Best of luck getting those treaties honored today.
 
2022-01-25 2:13:47 PM  

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Watch the saltibarscius for polonium, sensei.


And Russia should watch out for their gas pipelines that suddenly explode.

Assassinating a foreign head-of-state is an act of war.  Assassinating a NATO leader will get them Article 5'd real fast.  I wonder how Finland & Sweden feel about all these threats coming from Russia... do they feel like they should join NATO so Russia doesn't try shiat on them next?
 
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