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2022-01-25 9:53:00 AM  
Final Thoughts
It is natural to want to know how bad a new wave will be when it starts. But that is impossible to know before the main mass of the wave has passed. To confidently assess the rate of occurrence of severe outcomes such as death the peak of cases must have long-since passed. Most people destined to die will either already have died or already have had the exposure destined to result in death. For this reason, we should never make personal or policy decisions based on anyone's assessment of a wave's severity before that wave is almost over. If anyone asks me at the start of the next wave, "How bad does this one look?" I plan to say, "It's too soon to say. I'll tell you when it's over."


"Don't look up!"
"It's mild!"
"The fundamentals of our economy are sound"
"we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud"
"I will shut down the virus"
"Inflation is transitory"
"It'll be over by Easter"
"If you've been vaccinated, you don't have to wear your mask"
 
2022-01-25 10:12:42 AM  
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2022-01-25 10:35:47 AM  
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And they ARE mild!
 
2022-01-25 10:36:12 AM  
I caught it just after New Year's. Two days of the second worst fever I ever had. And I'm STILL dealing with chronic cough. This was after 3 shots.

But I didn't get hospitalized so yes, it was mild. People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.
 
2022-01-25 10:37:25 AM  

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And they ARE mild!


30 whole days! Well I'm sold!
 
2022-01-25 10:41:13 AM  
"Omicron is milder than Delta."
"Omicron is mild! Hurray!"
 
2022-01-25 10:44:24 AM  
Convolutions for dummies
 
2022-01-25 10:46:25 AM  

ajgeek: phedex: [cdn11.bigcommerce.com image 850x1118]

And they ARE mild!

30 whole days! Well I'm sold!


I got curious and looked up the people in the ad to see the cancer deaths; the only one who was famous, mike douglas, lived to 86 and died of dehydration on a golf course.

so well... I guess they really did agree with his T zone.
 
2022-01-25 10:52:04 AM  

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And they ARE mild!


Who opens a softpack like that?
 
2022-01-25 11:05:36 AM  
You guys really might want to rethink this new angle.  Omicron just swept through my family, including four kids, all unvaxxed, under the age of 6.  The worst symptoms were my five year old, who had a fever for a night.  My wife had a headache, I had a runny nose for a day.  That's been pretty much the norm for my city - the worst I heard was an unvaxxed friend (cop, of course) who was out for three days.  This compared to the Delta that killed or hospitalized quite a few people.

If you're now claiming that's regular-strength COVID, people are going to be less than impressed.
 
2022-01-25 11:08:07 AM  

I Like Bread: People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.


That's been a huge problem with all of the Covid reporting.  Either no one wants to read further for actual context, or the reporting sucks and context isn't made clear, or a combination of both.

It made its way through our household over Christmas/New Year's week.  I suppose it was inevitable with my wife's line of work (physician).  Fortunately our kids had recently been vaxxed and the wife and I are boosted.  Our youngest had a lingering cough for a little while, but it probably hit my wife the hardest.  She was out of commission for a few days.  I had some mild aching/feverish symptoms for a couple of days, but then it went away and I never tested positive (rapid tests).  So I'm guessing that's what it was?  I had practically no reaction to any of the shots.
 
2022-01-25 11:15:02 AM  

phedex: [cdn11.bigcommerce.com image 850x1118]

And they ARE mild!


I smoked Camels for 10 years. I'm not dead. yet...
 
2022-01-25 11:15:30 AM  
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2022-01-25 11:18:15 AM  
I consider Cholula mild so ymmv on what mild is...
 
2022-01-25 11:18:43 AM  

FLMountainMan: You guys really might want to rethink this new angle.  Omicron just swept through my family, including four kids, all unvaxxed, under the age of 6.  The worst symptoms were my five year old, who had a fever for a night.  My wife had a headache, I had a runny nose for a day.  That's been pretty much the norm for my city - the worst I heard was an unvaxxed friend (cop, of course) who was out for three days.  This compared to the Delta that killed or hospitalized quite a few people.

If you're now claiming that's regular-strength COVID, people are going to be less than impressed.


Okay, the problem with your anecdote is that it's.... an anecdote.  Not wrong but not representative either.  Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy and that's good, but it's more contagious and still somewhat virulent.  People are still going to die and most of them needlessly.
 
2022-01-25 11:22:05 AM  

FLMountainMan: You guys really might want to rethink this new angle.  Omicron just swept through my family, including four kids, all unvaxxed, under the age of 6.  The worst symptoms were my five year old, who had a fever for a night.  My wife had a headache, I had a runny nose for a day.  That's been pretty much the norm for my city - the worst I heard was an unvaxxed friend (cop, of course) who was out for three days.  This compared to the Delta that killed or hospitalized quite a few people.

If you're now claiming that's regular-strength COVID, people are going to be less than impressed.


Anti-Americans have been telling this same story since the pandemic started. It doesn't matter which variant, we're going to get the same story.

"Everyone one that I know did just fine! Must be a hoax."
 
2022-01-25 11:28:12 AM  

pehvbot: Okay, the problem with your anecdote is that it's.... an anecdote.  Not wrong but not representative either.  Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy and that's good, but it's more contagious and still somewhat virulent.  People are still going to die and most of them needlessly.


So how does my anecdote contradict what you've stated above?

HotWingConspiracy: FLMountainMan: You guys really might want to rethink this new angle.  Omicron just swept through my family, including four kids, all unvaxxed, under the age of 6.  The worst symptoms were my five year old, who had a fever for a night.  My wife had a headache, I had a runny nose for a day.  That's been pretty much the norm for my city - the worst I heard was an unvaxxed friend (cop, of course) who was out for three days.  This compared to the Delta that killed or hospitalized quite a few people.

If you're now claiming that's regular-strength COVID, people are going to be less than impressed.

Anti-Americans have been telling this same story since the pandemic started. It doesn't matter which variant, we're going to get the same story.

"Everyone one that I know did just fine! Must be a hoax."


LMFAO.  Come on man, it's right there in my post.  Is a little more effort too much to ask?
 
2022-01-25 11:30:27 AM  

FLMountainMan: You guys really might want to rethink this new angle.  Omicron just swept through my family, including four kids, all unvaxxed, under the age of 6.  The worst symptoms were my five year old, who had a fever for a night.  My wife had a headache, I had a runny nose for a day.  That's been pretty much the norm for my city - the worst I heard was an unvaxxed friend (cop, of course) who was out for three days.  This compared to the Delta that killed or hospitalized quite a few people.

If you're now claiming that's regular-strength COVID, people are going to be less than impressed.


Totally. It's still a logistical nightmare for hospitals, and people are still getting sick. Locally we're waaay over capacity in regular acute care, but ICU isn't getting hit the way it did with Delta. For Omicron, we just don't have a good containment option and we're extremely lucky that this strain happens to be less virulent. It may not be the "best" time for a transition to endemicity, but it doesn't look like we're being given an option. Everyone I know (who have all avoided the previous waves despite swimming in it the last 2 years) has caught COVID since January.
 
2022-01-25 11:31:11 AM  

pehvbot: Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy


No...no it's not.
 
2022-01-25 11:36:34 AM  
TFA posts links to other articles that refute its own premise.  For example, it cites an Atlantic article to back up its claim that Omicron isn't milder against unprotected people, but the Atlantic article says that it is "intrinsically less virulent" or "less severe" even against the unvaccinated, while acknowledging that it's still a huge public health threat due to its transmissibility.  It's possible that those other sources are wrong for the reasons this article goes into later in its analysis, but it's a little bit of a credibility issue when you cite sources that undermine your point.
 
2022-01-25 11:46:55 AM  

IlGreven: pehvbot: Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy

No...no it's not.


Source? Everything I have seen indicates that it's less virulent and this has been consistent since the first data came out. We're at the point where scientists are discussing why. So why are people calling this fake and blaming old data when the new data says the same thing?

Or is this one of those stupid human things where everything is either 0% or 100% and if you don't think it's 0% then you must be claiming it's 100%?
 
2022-01-25 11:57:16 AM  
So I sat down and read through the analysis.  The idea of lagged cross-correlation analysis applied to smoothed case and fatality data seems sound.  I'm not sure the regression at the end, just before the appendices, is going to correctly estimate the case fatality rate, but it might get you in the right ballpark.

The conclusion is that the CFR of Omicron in South Africa is 50% less than the previous Delta-driven wave.

The author argues that this isn't because the disease is intrinsically weaker, it's just because more people have natural or vaccine immunity.  However, that blog post (and the preceding one it cites from December 31) doesn't do any calculations to back up that claim.

So, as it stands, it looks like a bunch of plausible-seeming analysis that doesn't actually support its main claim.
 
2022-01-25 12:01:35 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I Like Bread: People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.

That's been a huge problem with all of the Covid reporting.  Either no one wants to read further for actual context, or the reporting sucks and context isn't made clear, or a combination of both.

It made its way through our household over Christmas/New Year's week.  I suppose it was inevitable with my wife's line of work (physician).  Fortunately our kids had recently been vaxxed and the wife and I are boosted.  Our youngest had a lingering cough for a little while, but it probably hit my wife the hardest.  She was out of commission for a few days.  I had some mild aching/feverish symptoms for a couple of days, but then it went away and I never tested positive (rapid tests).  So I'm guessing that's what it was?  I had practically no reaction to any of the shots.


That's some bold anecdotal evidence there cotton!  Let's see if it pays off.
 
2022-01-25 12:10:32 PM  

I Like Bread: People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.


Double vaxxed with booster, all Moderna. Got a breakthrough case with tests to prove it. Swollen tonsils, occasional cough with lung butter, low-grade fever. Wouldn't be a problem if IT HAD NOT BEEN GOING FOR TWO FARK ASS BALLS WEEKS! I'm teaching face-to-face this semester, which I was really looking forward to, and now I can't come back to campus until I get a negative test, and who knows when that's going to be since COVID can swim around my system for weeks, even months, with a high enough load that reads positive.

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRKKKKK
 
2022-01-25 12:14:44 PM  

falkone32: IlGreven: pehvbot: Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy

No...no it's not.

Source? Everything I have seen indicates that it's less virulent and this has been consistent since the first data came out. We're at the point where scientists are discussing why. So why are people calling this fake and blaming old data when the new data says the same thing?

Or is this one of those stupid human things where everything is either 0% or 100% and if you don't think it's 0% then you must be claiming it's 100%?


Fenner & White's Medical Virology pin virulence on 4 factors, 2 of which are replication and tropism.

Virulence is much broader than host death and unfortunately emotion doesn't change that.  If you need broader context, virulence has a lot to do with how likely you are to spread a disease, and pathogenicity is how likely others are to get sick from you.
 
2022-01-25 12:20:24 PM  
It was pretty mild for me, but obviously that is not the case for everyone. Like a moderate cold for 3 days. I've had regular colds that were much worse and lasted longer.

Ironically my 89-year-old mother, who has an autoimmune disease, who i've been farking stressed out trying to protect for the past 2 years, caught it... and her case was even milder than mine was. Lort bless the vaccines.

Be considerate, protect yourselves and each other. It's really not that hard, people.
 
2022-01-25 12:24:07 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I Like Bread: People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.

That's been a huge problem with all of the Covid reporting.  Either no one wants to read further for actual context, or the reporting sucks and context isn't made clear, or a combination of both.

It made its way through our household over Christmas/New Year's week.  I suppose it was inevitable with my wife's line of work (physician).  Fortunately our kids had recently been vaxxed and the wife and I are boosted.  Our youngest had a lingering cough for a little while, but it probably hit my wife the hardest.  She was out of commission for a few days.  I had some mild aching/feverish symptoms for a couple of days, but then it went away and I never tested positive (rapid tests).  So I'm guessing that's what it was?  I had practically no reaction to any of the shots.


My first bout in January 2021 nearly sent me to the hospital and lingered for a decent month + long covid symptoms for the next three.  After that I was twice Vaccinated+ booster, and got it again a year later... this time with a couple miserable days of aches and a sniffle.

Meanwhile a dear friend had a mild sniffle last year (caught it from him most likely), then was twice vaccinated + boosted. Then he got sick in late December (not my fault!) and was in and out of the hospital barely able to breathe, still not back at work, still weak and barely able to move around his house.  Really thought we were going to lose him, and we still could.

So many (false!) conclusions to draw from this n=2.  I really wish people would just take a step back and wait for the stats to draw conclusions.  I appreciated the article... although I want to look over it in more detail later.
 
2022-01-25 12:28:43 PM  

I Like Bread: I caught it just after New Year's. Two days of the second worst fever I ever had. And I'm STILL dealing with chronic cough. This was after 3 shots.

But I didn't get hospitalized so yes, it was mild. People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.


Right, but problem is people are terrible at scale and numbers in general.

If there was a 20% chance of death, that's still 80% chance of being fine. (Yes, people ignore that there are in fact more than 2 options).

So even if original COVID killed 20% of people, they'd PROBABLY be fine. And of the new one is 4%, they'll still probably fine. A vaccine making that 1% or less, they'll still probably be fine.

People ignore the middle area where they get lifelong effects or severe cases. Your point is correct, Omicron does present fewer severe cases and death, so it is more mild.

But people are idiots. Anecdotes beat odds, and moving from probably fine to probably fine with a vaccination doesn't change the scales for some people.
 
2022-01-25 12:29:46 PM  

wingedkat: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I Like Bread: People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.

That's been a huge problem with all of the Covid reporting.  Either no one wants to read further for actual context, or the reporting sucks and context isn't made clear, or a combination of both.

It made its way through our household over Christmas/New Year's week.  I suppose it was inevitable with my wife's line of work (physician).  Fortunately our kids had recently been vaxxed and the wife and I are boosted.  Our youngest had a lingering cough for a little while, but it probably hit my wife the hardest.  She was out of commission for a few days.  I had some mild aching/feverish symptoms for a couple of days, but then it went away and I never tested positive (rapid tests).  So I'm guessing that's what it was?  I had practically no reaction to any of the shots.

That's some bold anecdotal evidence there cotton!  Let's see if it pays off.


See if what pays off?  I literally just noted how it recently hit our household without linking it to any claims of severity.
 
2022-01-25 12:33:47 PM  
Fine.  Instead of saying "Omicron is mild," say "Omicron is signifcantly more mild that Delta".

Problem solved.
 
2022-01-25 12:36:07 PM  
Yep. *shrug* Doesn't matter. Sense took a back seat about two months ago; money's talking now, and money wants you to make more for rich folks. So, the pandemic is "over", despite the choked hospitals & empty offices, and you should get back to work in decorated cubicles & be celebrated for your hard work & high-risk presence with pizza parties because, hey, money's for the rich, not for you.

Fark that.
 
2022-01-25 1:00:40 PM  

IlGreven: pehvbot: Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy

No...no it's not.


It absolutely and provably is.  Fewer people who catch the variant wind up in the hospital, fewer go on ventilation, and fewer die.  These are facts.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-metrics-previous-waves?

People are dying, and more people are getting infected, but this variant kills fewer people per infection.  That's what virulent means.
 
2022-01-25 1:13:21 PM  

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At this point I'd put a bet on either no EUA for kids under 5 period or it not happening until next year.

It's a good thing Facetime is the same thing as having extended family. The exact same thing.
 
2022-01-25 1:20:54 PM  
I'd tell you to go observe an ER for a little while and experience the mildness up close, but they're *way* too farking busy to deal with extra dumbshiats milling around
 
2022-01-25 1:33:47 PM  

whitebuffaloburgers: phedex: [cdn11.bigcommerce.com image 850x1118]

And they ARE mild!

Who opens a softpack like that?


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2022-01-25 1:34:20 PM  

pehvbot: IlGreven: pehvbot: Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy

No...no it's not.

It absolutely and provably is.  Fewer people who catch the variant wind up in the hospital, fewer go on ventilation, and fewer die.  These are facts.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-metrics-previous-waves?

People are dying, and more people are getting infected, but this variant kills fewer people per infection.  That's what virulent means.


That is not what virulent means, you stupid fark.  It's easy to tell you don't know since you are too farking stupid to cite a definition from medical textbooks.
 
2022-01-25 1:45:09 PM  

pehvbot: IlGreven: pehvbot: Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy

No...no it's not.

It absolutely and provably is.  Fewer people who catch the variant wind up in the hospital, fewer go on ventilation, and fewer die.  These are facts.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-metrics-previous-waves?

People are dying, and more people are getting infected, but this variant kills fewer people per infection.  That's what virulent means.


Virulent =/= Lethal

Learn the difference.
 
2022-01-25 1:54:34 PM  

thehellisthis: That is not what virulent means, you stupid fark.  It's easy to tell you don't know since you are too farking stupid to cite a definition from medical textbooks.


SINCE you rolled out the ad hominems, I'll note that words have meanings in things called "dictionaries", too. Here's a link:

virulent adjective
1. (of a disease or poison) extremely severe or harmful in its effects

Fark off.
 
2022-01-25 2:07:05 PM  

Broom: thehellisthis: That is not what virulent means, you stupid fark.  It's easy to tell you don't know since you are too farking stupid to cite a definition from medical textbooks.

SINCE you rolled out the ad hominems, I'll note that words have meanings in things called "dictionaries", too. Here's a link:

virulent adjective
1. (of a disease or poison) extremely severe or harmful in its effects

Fark off.


Medical dictionaries, you trailer trash piece of shiat.  Do you have any reading comprehension whatsoever?  You worthless conspiracy theory parasites need to get the fark off my planet or go six feet under it.
 
2022-01-25 2:08:42 PM  

FLMountainMan: You guys really might want to rethink this new angle.  Omicron just swept through my family, including four kids, all unvaxxed, under the age of 6.  The worst symptoms were my five year old, who had a fever for a night.  My wife had a headache, I had a runny nose for a day.  That's been pretty much the norm for my city - the worst I heard was an unvaxxed friend (cop, of course) who was out for three days.  This compared to the Delta that killed or hospitalized quite a few people.

If you're now claiming that's regular-strength COVID, people are going to be less than impressed.


Thanks for your anecdotal possibly true possibly fake story. Here's mine.

My wife and I both have three shots of Pfizer. That is, the two dose regimen and the booster. We both came down with covid-19 about four months after our booster. We assume it was omicron as it was/is the current flavor.

My symptoms started off with an elevated temperature and terrible fatigue. After the first 24 hours it changed to fine -> fever chills  (but no actual fever) -> crippling fatigue -> fine. Repeat for 7 days as symptoms gradually become less intense.

Then the cough came for 15ish days. During this time I stated developing bladder and kidney pain. Not intense enough to do anything about it but worrying.

Now I am almost a month out and I am more or less recovered. I am still noticeably weaker than I was a month ago. I assume my strength will come back in the next few weeks. Bladder and kidney pain are mostly gone.

My wife felt like crap for 10 days and is still coughing now. It seems to be getting better though.

What you described and what I described are both considered mild. We didn't get hospitalized and/or die. While I am glad and hopeful that we don't end up with long symptoms, it still sucked.
 
2022-01-25 2:19:32 PM  
Eeeeeyup.

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I told ya so.
 
2022-01-25 2:23:07 PM  

falkone32: IlGreven: pehvbot: Yeah Omicron is less virulent than original recipe or extra crispy

No...no it's not.

Source? Everything I have seen indicates that it's less virulent and this has been consistent since the first data came out. We're at the point where scientists are discussing why. So why are people calling this fake and blaming old data when the new data says the same thing?

Or is this one of those stupid human things where everything is either 0% or 100% and if you don't think it's 0% then you must be claiming it's 100%?


One of you understands what virulent means and one does not.
 
2022-01-25 2:53:07 PM  
I'm pretty sure every health official I heard speak about Omicron has always said, "...less severe than Delta, but do not misconstrue 'less severe' to mean 'mild'."

But then again, I listen to NPR and not Brogan.
 
2022-01-25 2:56:35 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: wingedkat: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I Like Bread: People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.

That's been a huge problem with all of the Covid reporting.  Either no one wants to read further for actual context, or the reporting sucks and context isn't made clear, or a combination of both.

It made its way through our household over Christmas/New Year's week.  I suppose it was inevitable with my wife's line of work (physician).  Fortunately our kids had recently been vaxxed and the wife and I are boosted.  Our youngest had a lingering cough for a little while, but it probably hit my wife the hardest.  She was out of commission for a few days.  I had some mild aching/feverish symptoms for a couple of days, but then it went away and I never tested positive (rapid tests).  So I'm guessing that's what it was?  I had practically no reaction to any of the shots.

That's some bold anecdotal evidence there cotton!  Let's see if it pays off.

See if what pays off?  I literally just noted how it recently hit our household without linking it to any claims of severity.


Oh, crap.  I think I may have accidentally replied to the wrong post.

Sorry.
 
2022-01-25 2:56:48 PM  

I Like Bread: I caught it just after New Year's. Two days of the second worst fever I ever had. And I'm STILL dealing with chronic cough. This was after 3 shots.

But I didn't get hospitalized so yes, it was mild. People need to understand that "mild" in this context means you probably won't die. PROBABLY.


It's almost as if a government agency or two should have explained that much more explicitly
 
2022-01-25 3:02:24 PM  

FLMountainMan: You guys really might want to rethink this new angle.  Omicron just swept through my family, including four kids, all unvaxxed, under the age of 6.  The worst symptoms were my five year old, who had a fever for a night.  My wife had a headache, I had a runny nose for a day.  That's been pretty much the norm for my city - the worst I heard was an unvaxxed friend (cop, of course) who was out for three days.  This compared to the Delta that killed or hospitalized quite a few people.

If you're now claiming that's regular-strength COVID, people are going to be less than impressed.


Here we go, correct post this time:

That's some bold anecdotal evidence there cotton!  Let's see if it pays off.
 
2022-01-25 3:03:03 PM  

wingedkat: Oh, crap.  I think I may have accidentally replied to the wrong post.

Sorry.


No worries.
 
2022-01-25 3:11:47 PM  

thehellisthis: Broom: thehellisthis: That is not what virulent means, you stupid fark.  It's easy to tell you don't know since you are too farking stupid to cite a definition from medical textbooks.

SINCE you rolled out the ad hominems, I'll note that words have meanings in things called "dictionaries", too. Here's a link:

virulent adjective
1. (of a disease or poison) extremely severe or harmful in its effects

Fark off.

Medical dictionaries, you trailer trash piece of shiat.  Do you have any reading comprehension whatsoever?  You worthless conspiracy theory parasites need to get the fark off my planet or go six feet under it.


https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/virulent

vir·u·lent
(vir'yū-lĕnt),Extremely toxic, denoting a markedly pathogenic microorganism.[L. virulentus, poisonous]Farlex Partner Medical Dictionary © Farlex 2012virulent
(vîr′yə-lənt, vîr′ə-)adj.1. a. Characterized by, causing, or promoting the rapid onset of severe illness. Used of a disease or toxin.b. Capable of causing disease by aggressively interfering with the immune system of the host. Used of a pathogen.2. Extremely hostile or malicious: virulent criticism; a virulent bigot.vir′u·lence, vir′u·len·cy n.vir′u·lent·ly adv.The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.vir·u·lent
(vir'yū-lĕnt)Extremely toxic, denoting a markedly pathogenic microorganism.[L. virulentus, poisonous]Medical Dictionary for the Health Professions and Nursing © Farlex 2012
 
2022-01-25 3:21:51 PM  

thehellisthis: Broom: thehellisthis: That is not what virulent means, you stupid fark.  It's easy to tell you don't know since you are too farking stupid to cite a definition from medical textbooks.

SINCE you rolled out the ad hominems, I'll note that words have meanings in things called "dictionaries", too. Here's a link:

virulent adjective
1. (of a disease or poison) extremely severe or harmful in its effects

Fark off.

Medical dictionaries, you trailer trash piece of shiat.  Do you have any reading comprehension whatsoever?  You worthless conspiracy theory parasites need to get the fark off my planet or go six feet under it.


Maybe it's late for me, or maybe I'm trailer trash, but aren't you all saying it's bad?

Where's the disagreement?
 
2022-01-25 3:29:57 PM  

mehhhhhh: whitebuffaloburgers: phedex: [cdn11.bigcommerce.com image 850x1118]

And they ARE mild!

Who opens a softpack like that?

[Fark user image image 194x259]


Hand color does not jibe with the marketing.
 
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