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2022-01-24 12:44:11 PM  
So another thing Manchin blocked from working by lying in December about supporting to get his grift loaded BIF bill passed in the House
 
2022-01-24 12:54:51 PM  
Your doesn't need a page of CSB at the beginning.  Just farking stop it already.
 
2022-01-24 12:55:26 PM  
*Your article
 
2022-01-24 1:47:32 PM  

aleister_greynight: Your doesn't need a page of CSB at the beginning.  Just farking stop it already.


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2022-01-24 3:13:33 PM  
I suppose this means we'll never see TFG's IRS tax returns.
 
2022-01-24 3:44:48 PM  
Maybe we could fix this by simplifying the tax code to where millions of people don't need to talk to anyone at the IRS? We could make taxes to where it's 1 page, 2 pages tops, and it's easy to do in about 10 minutes.
 
2022-01-24 3:55:18 PM  

mrmopar5287: Maybe we could fix this by simplifying the tax code to where millions of people don't need to talk to anyone at the IRS? We could make taxes to where it's 1 page, 2 pages tops, and it's easy to do in about 10 minutes.


That would be giving up power over people.  Government doesn't do that.  How would the IRS go after people who didn't know about tax law 15497276.45 section g addendum 12?  How would tax collectors get hard and or wet at night with their spouce?  Do you want them to be sexless?  To have lives without power over others?
 
2022-01-24 3:57:54 PM  

mrmopar5287: Maybe we could fix this by simplifying the tax code to where millions of people don't need to talk to anyone at the IRS? We could make taxes to where it's 1 page, 2 pages tops, and it's easy to do in about 10 minutes.


They did that and discontinued it a few years back, it was pretty ez
 
2022-01-24 4:03:18 PM  

chitownmike: They did that and discontinued it a few years back, it was pretty ez


It was combined into the new standard 1040, which is 2 pages for most people and then the extra schedules if you have something slightly more complicated.

We all aren't like General Electric with a tax return that runs tens of thousands of pages, and gets delivered on a DVD via FedEx.
 
2022-01-24 4:41:21 PM  
Remember when Trump said it was a great thing to shrink the IRS?  This was all by design.    If you get rid of the all the tax examiners than you can audit folks who lie.
 
2022-01-24 4:56:37 PM  
Republicans have been doing their level best to dismantle the federal government and have almost succeeded. It all started with making people hate the IRS.
 
2022-01-24 5:06:41 PM  

tobcc: Remember when Trump said it was a great thing to shrink the IRS?  This was all by design.    If you get rid of the all the tax examiners than you can audit folks who lie.


He owes $100,000,000 in back taxes.  It's no mystery why he wants the IRS to die.
 
2022-01-24 5:25:06 PM  

Northern: tobcc: Remember when Trump said it was a great thing to shrink the IRS?  This was all by design.    If you get rid of the all the tax examiners than you can audit folks who lie.

He owes $100,000,000 in back taxes.  It's no mystery why he wants the IRS to die.


That's before all of the evidence the NY AG has turned up is considered. Plus, other countries for everything he's done anywhere he does business.

I find it rather interesting that the Russian projects never got off the ground.
 
2022-01-24 5:34:35 PM  

mrmopar5287: Maybe we could fix this by simplifying the tax code to where millions of people don't need to talk to anyone at the IRS? We could make taxes to where it's 1 page, 2 pages tops, and it's easy to do in about 10 minutes.


Honestly, the IRS already has all of the information needed for most taxpayers. In more civilized countries, they send you a post card or letter detailing what you owe/are being refunded and if everything looks good you're done.

Intuit and H&R Block make enough bribes campaign contributions to make sure we'd never have such a system here.
 
2022-01-24 5:42:38 PM  

mrmopar5287: chitownmike: They did that and discontinued it a few years back, it was pretty ez

It was combined into the new standard 1040, which is 2 pages for most people and then the extra schedules if you have something slightly more complicated.

We all aren't like General Electric with a tax return that runs tens of thousands of pages, and gets delivered on a DVD via FedEx.


Once you receive non-W2 income the difficulty increases dramatically.
 
2022-01-24 5:49:37 PM  

buzzcut73: Honestly, the IRS already has all of the information needed for most taxpayers. In more civilized countries, they send you a post card or letter detailing what you owe/are being refunded and if everything looks good you're done.


IRS: "You owe us money."
You: "How much do I owe?"
IRS: "You have to figure that out yourself."
You: "I just pay whatever I want?"
IRS: "Hah, no. We know exactly how much you owe. But you have to guess that number too."
You: "What if I get it wrong?"
IRS: "You go to prison."
 
2022-01-24 5:53:00 PM  

mcreadyblue: Once you receive non-W2 income the difficulty increases dramatically.


All of that is easily handled on a standard 1040 form.
 
2022-01-24 6:05:30 PM  

mrmopar5287: mcreadyblue: Once you receive non-W2 income the difficulty increases dramatically.

All of that is easily handled on a standard 1040 form.


You mean with a 1040 with schedule 1, schedule 2, schedule 3, schedule A, schedule B, schedule C, schedule D, schedule D and schedule 8812?
 
2022-01-24 6:07:19 PM  

buzzcut73: mrmopar5287: Maybe we could fix this by simplifying the tax code to where millions of people don't need to talk to anyone at the IRS? We could make taxes to where it's 1 page, 2 pages tops, and it's easy to do in about 10 minutes.

Honestly, the IRS already has all of the information needed for most taxpayers. In more civilized countries, they send you a post card or letter detailing what you owe/are being refunded and if everything looks good you're done.

Intuit and H&R Block make enough bribes campaign contributions to make sure we'd never have such a system here.


It's an honesty test.  They know, and we know, and we know they know.
Intuit does offer a free version of their software if you know how to get it.  Otherwise if your taxes are simply the paper version isn't that bad.
And yeah, all of this could have been automated 20+ years ago.
 
2022-01-24 6:16:36 PM  

buzzcut73: Intuit and H&R Block make enough bribes campaign contributions to make sure we'd never have such a system here.


It's an amazingly good racket. The fear of the IRS has been hyped up so much with the average person that they honestly believe they could go to prison if they innocently fark something up on a basic tax return, and it's been subtly used to market the Jackson-Hewitt and H&R Block services you see in a lot of strip malls (JH has a seasonal kiosk at the front of Wal-Mart). They've successfully convinced Wal-Mart shoppers that taxes are too complicated and dangerous to do themselves, and that they better get a "professional" to do it for them.

That, and the refund anticipation loan business is banging for the tax prep guys. People who can't wait a couple weeks to get their own money refunded to them will gladly sign up for the equivalent of a payday loan to get cash in their hands today. It really speaks to how millions of people in America function living paycheck to paycheck.

My mother has a friend with a lazy, neer-do-well grandson who is now on disability. He doesn't have a good reason for being on disability other than complete, astounding stupidity that was a problem created by his parents when they didn't pay attention to him or educate him during his formative years. Anyways, he's rarely held jobs to the point you can round it up to say he's never worked. One year he did some work somewhere, I don't recall where, but it was enough to generate a W-2 mailed to him. One day he was at Wal-Mart with his grandmother and said that he better get his taxes done and he wanted to go to the Jackson-Hewitt kiosk. It was like $29.95 for a basic return and he showed up there. His income for the year was like $800. The woman at the JH kiosk felt so embarrassed for him that she did his taxes for free on printed forms and stuffed the envelope for him to mail in his own return without charging him.
 
2022-01-24 7:00:54 PM  
I had like a 20 page tax filing last year. I'm an employee, independent contractor, and occasionally I rent some storage space. It was a nightmare filing taxes.
 
2022-01-24 7:13:21 PM  
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2022-01-24 7:34:24 PM  
I'll be honest. If you let me make my own hours and work from home, I'll happily do my patriotic duty and audit people like former president Trump for $11 an hour. It's shiat wages, but I'd happily donate my time to make sure those asshats actually pay their taxes.
 
2022-01-24 7:37:53 PM  

jjwars1: I had like a 20 page tax filing last year. I'm an employee, independent contractor, and occasionally I rent some storage space. It was a nightmare filing taxes.


I mean this as a joke, but your taxes sound like the journey a serial killer takes. I was an employee, then I became an independent contractor that occasionally needs to rent some storage space for my "stuff".
 
2022-01-24 7:43:31 PM  
so due to the way our houses finances are setup, my wife cannot register with the Id.ME IRS crap to see what our child tax credit numbers are.  No phone in her name seems to be the problem.

In theory some tax form 6419 will be mailed in december and january.  it is now 1/24 and I have yet to see said letter.

Want to get my hours declaring all the information the IRS already knows to just claim the standard.
 
2022-01-24 8:05:03 PM  

mcreadyblue: mrmopar5287: mcreadyblue: Once you receive non-W2 income the difficulty increases dramatically.

All of that is easily handled on a standard 1040 form.

You mean with a 1040 with schedule 1, schedule 2, schedule 3, schedule A, schedule B, schedule C, schedule D, schedule D and schedule 8812?


you must like schedule D
 
2022-01-24 8:15:47 PM  
I went ahead and already filed an extension today. I'm still waiting on money from the state for unemployment from *last year*; they're still "working on it". I'm not terribly confident in their ability to get it to me by April.
 
2022-01-24 8:18:58 PM  

keldaria: jjwars1: I had like a 20 page tax filing last year. I'm an employee, independent contractor, and occasionally I rent some storage space. It was a nightmare filing taxes.

I mean this as a joke, but your taxes sound like the journey a serial killer takes. I was an employee, then I became an independent contractor that occasionally needs to rent some storage space for my "stuff".


So he paints, but does he do his own carpentry?
 
2022-01-24 8:21:23 PM  

keldaria: I'll be honest. If you let me make my own hours and work from home, I'll happily do my patriotic duty and audit people like former president Trump for $11 an hour. It's shiat wages, but I'd happily donate my time to make sure those asshats actually pay their taxes.


Make it a gig/crowd source thing. Build an app that lets people go sleuthing for fraud without knowing the ID of the filer, and they get 1% of fraud they uncover

you also get points as a reliability indicator for uncovering fraud

you lose points if you tag too much stuff as fraud when it's not

I'd play that game instead of candy crush while I'm waiting for whatever
 
2022-01-24 8:33:06 PM  

petec: keldaria: I'll be honest. If you let me make my own hours and work from home, I'll happily do my patriotic duty and audit people like former president Trump for $11 an hour. It's shiat wages, but I'd happily donate my time to make sure those asshats actually pay their taxes.

Make it a gig/crowd source thing. Build an app that lets people go sleuthing for fraud without knowing the ID of the filer, and they get 1% of fraud they uncover

you also get points as a reliability indicator for uncovering fraud

you lose points if you tag too much stuff as fraud when it's not

I'd play that game instead of candy crush while I'm waiting for whatever


Absolutely. But you'd have to randomize who's return you pull and make the returns largely anonymous. Otherwise everyone would go grab the returns for the biggest known assholes then skip the rest after the bounty for them was already claimed. Also make it a peer review setup where those errors get flagged and reviewed by others. Any results that get flagged multiple times gets sent to get a full IRS audit. I'd think that up to 5% total, 5 people at 1% each would be a fair bounty to pay to streamline and catch major tax cheats.

The beauty of the situation is it would incentivize people to develop review algorithms that detect fraud effectively. You'd have IRS bounty audit companies spring up that would just mass audit tax returns for the IRS, prescreen the results for them and fast track their process. Something the IRS should've done themselves but ultimately you know are being hamstrung by congress handcuffing them to using bullshiat methods that aren't efficient or effective all to let these tax cheats get through the system.
 
2022-01-24 8:58:31 PM  

mrmopar5287: Maybe we could fix this by simplifying the tax code to where millions of people don't need to talk to anyone at the IRS? We could make taxes to where it's 1 page, 2 pages tops, and it's easy to do in about 10 minutes.


Make it easy for corporations too, 1 or 2 pages NO FARKING DEDUCTIONS OR WELFARE OR ANYTHING, PAY YOUR FARKING SHARE OR GET THE FARK OUT!
 
2022-01-24 9:02:54 PM  

mrmopar5287: buzzcut73: Honestly, the IRS already has all of the information needed for most taxpayers. In more civilized countries, they send you a post card or letter detailing what you owe/are being refunded and if everything looks good you're done.

IRS: "You owe us money."
You: "How much do I owe?"
IRS: "You have to figure that out yourself."
You: "I just pay whatever I want?"
IRS: "Hah, no. We know exactly how much you owe. But you have to guess that number too."
You: "What if I get it wrong?"
IRS: "You go to prison."


"But there's a 99% chance we don't even review your return."
 
2022-01-24 9:35:53 PM  
I loved that 1040-EZ form. Late 1980s, early '90s, I think it was, when I used it. Did my taxes on April 12 or 13. Walked the envelope down to the post office on April 15, chuckling smugly at all the "grownups" in line with complicated taxes.

Not smug anymore.
 
2022-01-24 9:42:29 PM  

mrmopar5287: buzzcut73: Honestly, the IRS already has all of the information needed for most taxpayers. In more civilized countries, they send you a post card or letter detailing what you owe/are being refunded and if everything looks good you're done.

IRS: "You owe us money."
You: "How much do I owe?"
IRS: "You have to figure that out yourself."
You: "I just pay whatever I want?"
IRS: "Hah, no. We know exactly how much you owe. But you have to guess that number too."
You: "What if I get it wrong?"
IRS: "You go to prison."


Usually, it's the IRS that owes you for overpayment of withholdings.

Personally, I have a non-profit I work with who errantly filed a 940 and now the IRS is going after them for not paying Federal Unemployment Tax.  So, I had to write them a letter and send in their IRS 501c3 letter so the IRS can figure out they are a non-profit and are therefore exempt from FUTA.  And that was like six months ago and they are only able to put something on hold for 60 days, so I have to call every 60 days to extend the hold.   This is all over a $43 tax penalty.
 
2022-01-24 10:43:12 PM  

Communist Middleschool Student: Republicans have been doing their level best to dismantle the federal government and have almost succeeded. It all started with making people hate the IRS.


Yup.  The GOP have been quietly undermining most 'socialist' gov agencies for decades now.   The IRS, Census, HHS, Education, etc are all on the verge of collapse.   When all this stuff goes tango-uniform, the 1% will be so happy they no longer have to pay taxes....except that taxes pay for things like the military.      Boy won't they be surprised to find a hobnailed jackboot from one of Putin's thugs jammed up their rectums.
 
2022-01-24 10:45:27 PM  

Northern: keldaria: jjwars1: I had like a 20 page tax filing last year. I'm an employee, independent contractor, and occasionally I rent some storage space. It was a nightmare filing taxes.

I mean this as a joke, but your taxes sound like the journey a serial killer takes. I was an employee, then I became an independent contractor that occasionally needs to rent some storage space for my "stuff".

So he paints, but does he do his own carpentry?


Indeed
 
2022-01-24 11:01:48 PM  

mrmopar5287: buzzcut73: Honestly, the IRS already has all of the information needed for most taxpayers. In more civilized countries, they send you a post card or letter detailing what you owe/are being refunded and if everything looks good you're done.

IRS: "You owe us money."
You: "How much do I owe?"
IRS: "You have to figure that out yourself."
You: "I just pay whatever I want?"
IRS: "Hah, no. We know exactly how much you owe. But you have to guess that number too."
You: "What if I get it wrong?"
IRS: "You go to prison."


if you intentionally give an answer that you know is wrong, you can end up in jail.  they won't put you in jail for being stupid; they'll put you in jail for being dishonest.  even that is pretty rare.
 
2022-01-24 11:02:29 PM  

Fissile: Communist Middleschool Student: Republicans have been doing their level best to dismantle the federal government and have almost succeeded. It all started with making people hate the IRS.

Yup.  The GOP have been quietly undermining most 'socialist' gov agencies for decades now.   The IRS, Census, HHS, Education, etc are all on the verge of collapse.   When all this stuff goes tango-uniform, the 1% will be so happy they no longer have to pay taxes....except that taxes pay for things like the military.      Boy won't they be surprised to find a hobnailed jackboot from one of Putin's thugs jammed up their rectums.


Putin?

The military that doesn't get paid doesn't eat. The military that doesn't eat has guns. What do a bunch of hungry guys with guns do when the people not paying them have a lot of money?
 
2022-01-24 11:08:59 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Fissile: Communist Middleschool Student: Republicans have been doing their level best to dismantle the federal government and have almost succeeded. It all started with making people hate the IRS.

Yup.  The GOP have been quietly undermining most 'socialist' gov agencies for decades now.   The IRS, Census, HHS, Education, etc are all on the verge of collapse.   When all this stuff goes tango-uniform, the 1% will be so happy they no longer have to pay taxes....except that taxes pay for things like the military.      Boy won't they be surprised to find a hobnailed jackboot from one of Putin's thugs jammed up their rectums.

Putin?

The military that doesn't get paid doesn't eat. The military that doesn't eat has guns. What do a bunch of hungry guys with guns do when the people not paying them have a lot of money?


they fix the cable?
 
2022-01-25 1:32:24 AM  
I quit a $15/hr corrections job because I didn't enjoy treating people like criminals, even in a place where damn near everyone was.

These auditors would look at your taxes. Not a rich person's.

Guess how far I'd tell someone to shove a job offer to do this for $11/hr up their ass.
 
2022-01-25 5:16:13 AM  

mrmopar5287: Maybe we could fix this by simplifying the tax code to where millions of people don't need to talk to anyone at the IRS? We could make taxes to where it's 1 page, 2 pages tops, and it's easy to do in about 10 minutes.


They don't. Most tax returns are handled by computer if submitted digitally. Shiatty, old computers, but computers. Occasionally, those computers flag your account for examination ie. audit. There's the slow mail audit where they want you to send a bunch of extra paperwork. Then there's the in-person audit where they want everything since the beginning of farking time.

However, if those shiatty computers screw up (which happens regularly but not often), you're boned because now a human has to look at your return along with hundreds of thousands of others (including all of the old people and victims of id theft who still submit paper returns). You may even need to talk to someone at the IRS which makes you even more boned because they can't give you a processing time when these issues arise and there's barely anyone to answer the phone when you need to report it.

/Worked at the IRS.
 
2022-01-25 6:25:44 AM  

TomDooley: mrmopar5287: buzzcut73: Honestly, the IRS already has all of the information needed for most taxpayers. In more civilized countries, they send you a post card or letter detailing what you owe/are being refunded and if everything looks good you're done.

IRS: "You owe us money."
You: "How much do I owe?"
IRS: "You have to figure that out yourself."
You: "I just pay whatever I want?"
IRS: "Hah, no. We know exactly how much you owe. But you have to guess that number too."
You: "What if I get it wrong?"
IRS: "You go to prison."

Usually, it's the IRS that owes you for overpayment of withholdings.

Personally, I have a non-profit I work with who errantly filed a 940 and now the IRS is going after them for not paying Federal Unemployment Tax.  So, I had to write them a letter and send in their IRS 501c3 letter so the IRS can figure out they are a non-profit and are therefore exempt from FUTA.  And that was like six months ago and they are only able to put something on hold for 60 days, so I have to call every 60 days to extend the hold.   This is all over a $43 tax penalty.


Hehe,
I now make enough money that the IRS feels I should hire a CPA or tax attorney.  The CPA I used to go to costs $250/hour, and essentially told me I'm screwed and he only got me a small tax savings.
I figured out that the IRS penalty for not hiring a CPA is $25, so I make the obvious financial choice.  It's lunacy.
 
2022-01-25 6:51:51 AM  
I was in real estate for a hot second and keller williams' referral networks was conflated with mine. The good news it was a scarily easy fix. It took me a few tries but I called it in as fraud, told the person on the phone that wasn't my TIN (I had operated as a sole prop under my SSN). He asked to place me on hold, I was on hold for 20 minutes, and he told me I was all set. I was still scared until I got the letter confirming it was all set.
/Initially, letter said I owed 12k on 30 k worth of transactions
//I would have gladly paid the tenk in taxes and 2k penalty for 18k extra dollars
 
2022-01-25 8:35:26 AM  

DayeOfJustice: However, if those shiatty computers screw up (which happens regularly but not often), you're boned because now a human has to look at your return along with hundreds of thousands of others (including all of the old people and victims of id theft who still submit paper returns). You may even need to talk to someone at the IRS which makes you even more boned because they can't give you a processing time when these issues arise and there's barely anyone to answer the phone when you need to report it.


This is why I try to structure my taxes so that there is no refund for me. I mail a small payment. If my return is flagged and audited, I don't care how long it takes because I'm not waiting on a refund. You can audit me until the heat death of the universe and I don't care.
 
2022-01-25 10:08:41 AM  

mrmopar5287: DayeOfJustice: However, if those shiatty computers screw up (which happens regularly but not often), you're boned because now a human has to look at your return along with hundreds of thousands of others (including all of the old people and victims of id theft who still submit paper returns). You may even need to talk to someone at the IRS which makes you even more boned because they can't give you a processing time when these issues arise and there's barely anyone to answer the phone when you need to report it.

This is why I try to structure my taxes so that there is no refund for me. I mail a small payment. If my return is flagged and audited, I don't care how long it takes because I'm not waiting on a refund. You can audit me until the heat death of the universe and I don't care.


You should.

Audits aren't fun and the code is so complicated they can find dirt if they want to.
 
2022-01-25 10:48:26 AM  

mrmopar5287: DayeOfJustice: However, if those shiatty computers screw up (which happens regularly but not often), you're boned because now a human has to look at your return along with hundreds of thousands of others (including all of the old people and victims of id theft who still submit paper returns). You may even need to talk to someone at the IRS which makes you even more boned because they can't give you a processing time when these issues arise and there's barely anyone to answer the phone when you need to report it.

This is why I try to structure my taxes so that there is no refund for me. I mail a small payment. If my return is flagged and audited, I don't care how long it takes because I'm not waiting on a refund. You can audit me until the heat death of the universe and I don't care.


It doesn't happen to most people, so you don't have to worry much. I think I've read it's about 20% or less that get audited. Mail audits were often just 3-6 months. And just hope to god they never require you come in in person, but who knows if they even do that anymore with COVID.
 
2022-01-25 10:53:00 AM  

scotchcrotch: mrmopar5287: DayeOfJustice: However, if those shiatty computers screw up (which happens regularly but not often), you're boned because now a human has to look at your return along with hundreds of thousands of others (including all of the old people and victims of id theft who still submit paper returns). You may even need to talk to someone at the IRS which makes you even more boned because they can't give you a processing time when these issues arise and there's barely anyone to answer the phone when you need to report it.

This is why I try to structure my taxes so that there is no refund for me. I mail a small payment. If my return is flagged and audited, I don't care how long it takes because I'm not waiting on a refund. You can audit me until the heat death of the universe and I don't care.

You should.

Audits aren't fun and the code is so complicated they can find dirt if they want to.


Often times they don't find anything because their antiquated computers just flagged your account because you added a dependent or had a big change in income, etc. Then, you'll have to send in documents for review. It's dumb, but how it worked when I was there. And just don't lie. Civil penalties typically include them charging you twice the refund you lied to get. Most of the time it was 3K-8K.
 
2022-01-25 11:07:22 AM  

scotchcrotch: Audits aren't fun and the code is so complicated they can find dirt if they want to.


Nothing I do can come up with "dirt." I literally don't care. The IRS has been auditing Trump for a decade and they've found nothing on him so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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