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(AOL)   Nothing to see here, just that there's enough death threats coming from Trump supporters that states are having to pass new laws   (aol.com) divider line
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2022-01-24 1:49:27 PM  
January 6, 2021 wasn't enough?
 
2022-01-24 2:41:48 PM  
The insurrection showed that a bunch of incompetent morons who don't have the balls to carry out a death threat.
 
2022-01-24 3:15:44 PM  
Just start aggressively prosecuting anyone who makes threats online.

If you want to legislate, pass a law compelling Facebook and Twitter to reveal details of anyone who threatens violence, and punish social media if they allow posts from new accounts, or which come from a known proxy server.
 
2022-01-24 3:28:05 PM  

mjjt: Just start aggressively prosecuting anyone who makes threats online.

If you want to legislate, pass a law compelling Facebook and Twitter to reveal details of anyone who threatens violence, and punish social media if they allow posts from new accounts, or which come from a known proxy server.


That would be hard to prosecute. Twitter and Facebook aren't exactly airtight secure.
 
2022-01-24 3:52:17 PM  
are the laws that MAGAs are declared a terrorist threat and shoot on sight is fine? because why not
 
2022-01-24 3:52:35 PM  
"An unidentified man left a first round of hostile messages for Condos' office shortly after the 2020 election."

John Barron?
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2022-01-24 3:53:33 PM  
which is obviously not to go out and commit violence against republicans since that always needs clarifying but you know if the law were the law obviously you'd have to comply
 
2022-01-24 3:53:44 PM  
In all, Reuters documented more than 850 threats and hostile messages https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION/THREATS/mopanwmlkva to U.S. election officials and workers. Nearly all the communications echoed Trump's baseless claims that he lost the 2020 election because of fraud. More than 100 of the threats could meet the federal threshold for criminal prosecution, according to law professors and attorneys who reviewed them.

Man, about those libs who treat Obama as their messiah, tell me more ...
 
2022-01-24 3:55:35 PM  
Why is this not a felony to begin with?
 
2022-01-24 3:55:56 PM  

special20: "An unidentified man left a first round of hostile messages for Condos' office shortly after the 2020 election."

John Barron?
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You have to ask yourself, "does this death threat bring me joy?" If not you should let it go.
 
2022-01-24 3:56:11 PM  
I'm assuming that in the red states they're passing laws to make it legal.
 
2022-01-24 3:56:37 PM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: Man, about those libs who treat Obama as their messiah, tell me more ...


It's called republican projection.
 
2022-01-24 3:58:25 PM  

Mugato: The insurrection showed that a bunch of incompetent morons who don't have the balls to carry out a death threat.


Jan 6 was a test coup. Don't get me wrong, if they nabbed Pence etc it would have been taken in stride, but every man, woman, and shaman was expendable.

They were just a rabble of goblins whipped up to test the response. The organizers are still out there and rousing more goblins. Eventually they might wake a real monster.
 
2022-01-24 4:03:03 PM  
PSA:  Don't come to the US.  We are insane.
 
2022-01-24 4:03:09 PM  
Sure sounds like terrorism to me.
 
2022-01-24 4:03:54 PM  

jbtilley: I'm assuming that in the red states they're passing laws to make it legal.


Maditory
 
2022-01-24 4:05:10 PM  
Don't we already have anti-terrorism laws on the books?

/oh yeah...forgot they don't apply to white people.
 
2022-01-24 4:05:30 PM  
A cult of democracy hatin' Nazis
 
2022-01-24 4:05:30 PM  
We already have laws against this type of crap. It would just require the conservative coopted judiciary to enforce them against their own.
 
2022-01-24 4:05:45 PM  
Or, just a thought, charged them with terroristic threats ... which is already a felony on the books pretty much everywhere. Ffs....
 
2022-01-24 4:06:42 PM  
Laws which will be unequally enforced on leftists and minorities.

Yikes.
 
2022-01-24 4:10:12 PM  
They don't bother to enforce the old laws when Trump's ghouls break them, what are new laws supposed to do?
 
2022-01-24 4:10:39 PM  
Gee, it's a shame we couldn't pass voter-rights bills.

Or any other bills that don't primarily help the rich.
 
2022-01-24 4:11:25 PM  
AOL is still a thing? Gibson was right about the future being unevenly distributed.
 
2022-01-24 4:12:34 PM  

MaliFinn: PSA:  Don't come to the US.  We are insane.


I failed to renew my passport after 9/11 specifically so my employer would find it inconvenient to send me to conventions or trade shows in the US.   The moment the Patriot Act was announced I knew.  As a white english-speaking male the risk was minimal, but that's not the point.

Right now I wouldn't go to the states for a vacation if someone else paid for it.
 
2022-01-24 4:13:19 PM  
dracos31:

We need to start "standing ground" against them. Make a threat? Get an extra hole in your body. I guarantee Republicans would be leaving smoke trails to get those Stand Your Ground laws repealed once Liberals start using them against the domestic terrorists.

Absolutely the wrong approach. It's not your job to get the trumpos under control -- it's the Money's. Violence against a trumpo is just doing the Money's job for it, without even getting paid.

When a trumpo steps out of line, find a Money and ask it why it hasn't done its job, or gently encourage it and its Money pals that they would prefer to do their job. America can only win when the Money looks at trumpo conduct and understands that this will have consequences it wishes to avoid.

Violence is the capital of change -- don't spend it on poor people.
 
2022-01-24 4:14:54 PM  
We don't need new laws. Prosecute them under Section 802 of The Patriot Act, Influencing the policy of a government by intimidation of coercion. THEY ARE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.
 
2022-01-24 4:15:08 PM  
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2022-01-24 4:20:06 PM  

mjjt: Just start aggressively prosecuting anyone who makes threats online.

If you want to legislate, pass a law compelling Facebook and Twitter to reveal details of anyone who threatens violence, and punish social media if they allow posts from new accounts, or which come from a known proxy server.


What if they're behind more than 6 proxies?
 
2022-01-24 4:20:22 PM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: In all, Reuters documented more than 850 threats and hostile messages https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION/THREATS/mopanwmlkva to U.S. election officials and workers. Nearly all the communications echoed Trump's baseless claims that he lost the 2020 election because of fraud. More than 100 of the threats could meet the federal threshold for criminal prosecution, according to law professors and attorneys who reviewed them.

Man, about those libs who treat Obama as their messiah, tell me more ...


Like you didn't fly a giant OBAMA 2012 - I COMMISERATE WITH YOUR FEELINGS - flag from the back of your Volvo.

Cheese Sticks, Liberaces.
 
2022-01-24 4:20:50 PM  

pheelix: We don't need new laws. Prosecute them under Section 802 of The Patriot Act, Influencing the policy of a government by intimidation of coercion. THEY ARE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.


Worth trying a few times just to put the fear of Dog in them.
 
2022-01-24 4:21:53 PM  

Unsung_Hero: MaliFinn: PSA:  Don't come to the US.  We are insane.

I failed to renew my passport after 9/11 specifically so my employer would find it inconvenient to send me to conventions or trade shows in the US.   The moment the Patriot Act was announced I knew.  As a white english-speaking male the risk was minimal, but that's not the point.

Right now I wouldn't go to the states for a vacation if someone else paid for it.


Smart move, tbh.  And yeah as a middle aged straight white male with a midwest accent I'm at extremely low risk for random violence, but I had no idea how really, really horrible the people around me are.  I grew up with great expectations for my governance and society.  We used to be a country that celebrated good character and was overflowing with positive role models, and our decline is a great disappointment.  It's not a generational thing, we've changed.  We're trashy and unstable now.
 
2022-01-24 4:22:17 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Mugato: The insurrection showed that a bunch of incompetent morons who don't have the balls to carry out a death threat.

Jan 6 was a test coup. Don't get me wrong, if they nabbed Pence etc it would have been taken in stride, but every man, woman, and shaman was expendable.

They were just a rabble of goblins, orks, and Uruk-hai whipped up to test the response. The organizers are still out there and rousing more goblins, orks, and Uruk-hai. Eventually they might wake a real monster.


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/FTFY
 
2022-01-24 4:23:54 PM  
Of course, all of these anti-threat bills will only be passed in blue states while the red and purple states will let it go on unabated, therefore turning them further red in the medium- to long-term.
 
2022-01-24 4:25:30 PM  
In Washington, state senators voted this month to make threatening election workers a felony.

This should be federal law.  It's crazy that it's not.  You can criticize all you want, you can report them, but actually threatening the people who enable us to have elections, whether at the federal, state, or local level, should be a felony.  There are methods to deal with actual election problems, but this isn't one of them.
 
2022-01-24 4:28:17 PM  
I thought this would all be covered under the Patriot Act. They can throw you in Gitmo for anything they want certainly threatening a political figure would apply.
 
2022-01-24 4:29:14 PM  

Malenfant: AOL is still a thing? Gibson was right about the future being unevenly distributed.


AT&T is still a thing.
 
2022-01-24 4:30:08 PM  

vrax: In Washington, state senators voted this month to make threatening election workers a felony.

This should be federal law.  It's crazy that it's not.  You can criticize all you want, you can report them, but actually threatening the people who enable us to have elections, whether at the federal, state, or local level, should be a felony.  There are methods to deal with actual election problems, but this isn't one of them.


A very, very serious one.  As in, if it's a credible threat and there is clear evidence, you should go away for multiple election cycles.  It should be like shouting 'bomb' in an airport - reasonable people should be downright afraid of someone mistakenly thinking they might be doing it.
 
2022-01-24 4:31:12 PM  

jbtilley: I'm assuming that in the red states they're passing laws to make it legal.


No, they're outlawing the proposal of legislation to protect election officials.
 
2022-01-24 4:35:04 PM  
At this rate I expect the Supreme Court to rule that death threats are protected speech by next year.
 
2022-01-24 4:39:09 PM  

Truffle Kerfuffle: Why is this not a felony to begin with?


Because it has happened so infrequently before. Laws are usually written AFTER the crime occurs. That is also why TFG and his offspring have been able so far to get away with what they have so far. Who would think that a POTUS would ever use his own children to grift the taxpayers? Never happened till... NOW.
 
2022-01-24 4:46:42 PM  
Death threats are already illegal. If it's deemed a true threat than prosecute them under the current laws. Making it double secret illegal does nothing
 
2022-01-24 4:48:17 PM  

Truffle Kerfuffle: Why is this not a felony to begin with?


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2022-01-24 4:50:31 PM  
dracos31: then again that's because we aren't massive unmanly little biatches like Conservatives are.

I really do think the conservative mindset is based in fear.  Ignorance just makes the fear worse.  The comforts of simple explanations and tribal membership just make things worse.  And in their fear they think everyone's out to get them, and then they're out to get everyone else pre-emptively based on that fear.
 
2022-01-24 4:51:22 PM  

Mugato: The insurrection showed that a bunch of incompetent morons who don't have the balls to carry out a death threat.


Don't forget: the morons LARPing an insurrection were cover for a much smaller group of actual murderous terrorists.

If they had managed to capture any Representatives or Senators, we would have watched our just-elected officials murdered on national TV and the Traitor would have had his causus belli to invoke martial law.
 
2022-01-24 4:55:56 PM  
I, for one, hope these election workers in Georgia get a sympathetic and outraged judge and jury.  Ghouliani and OAN deserve to be roundly biatchsmacked and stripped of all their assets, at the very least.
 
2022-01-24 4:57:16 PM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: In all, Reuters documented more than 850 threats and hostile messages https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION/THREATS/mopanwmlkva to U.S. election officials and workers. Nearly all the communications echoed Trump's baseless claims that he lost the 2020 election because of fraud. More than 100 of the threats could meet the federal threshold for criminal prosecution, according to law professors and attorneys who reviewed them.

Man, about those libs who treat Obama as their messiah, tell me more ...


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2022-01-24 4:58:31 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Death threats are already illegal. If it's deemed a true threat than prosecute them under the current laws. Making it double secret illegal does nothing


Said the farker notorious for making empty threats.
 
2022-01-24 4:58:54 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Death threats are already illegal. If it's deemed a true threat than prosecute them under the current laws. Making it double secret illegal does nothing

In Vermont, menacing voicemails to Secretary of State Jim Condos and his staff - and a decision by police and prosecutors not to seek charges - spurred lawmakers to reconsider state laws that enshrine some of America's oldest and strongest free-speech protections. Two measures introduced this month would make it easier to charge suspects for criminal threats and toughen penalties when they target public officials.


Given the environment right now, with election officials being specifically targeted, it seems prudent to make these changes.
 
2022-01-24 5:00:38 PM  
While I was GISing for the above, I found this and now you all get to enjoy it too:

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Sigh.
 
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