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(Al Jazeera)   New Omicron 'sub-variant' raises questions, as experts ponder the potential for grinder-variants, hero-variants, and po-boy-variants   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2022-01-24 2:06:29 PM  
Coming to a strip mall near you-
The 'Jersey Mike's ' variant!

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2022-01-24 5:20:58 PM  
Nomicron Way Home variant
 
2022-01-24 5:21:55 PM  
If there's a subvariant there must be a domvariant.
 
2022-01-24 5:23:26 PM  

TheCableGuy: If there's a subvariant there must be a domvariant.


Omicron Prime
 
2022-01-24 5:26:18 PM  
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Hoagies and grinders...Hoagies and Grinders...Ooooomicron....
 
2022-01-24 5:28:07 PM  
The Florda and Texas variants are going to he brutal.
 
2022-01-24 5:28:19 PM  
i am waiting for the KRONOS VARIENT...

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2022-01-24 5:31:32 PM  

skybird659: Coming to a strip mall near you-
The 'Jersey Mike's ' variant!

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As a former JM sandwich engineer, I approve.

/I think
//get the roast beef
 
2022-01-24 5:32:57 PM  
Maybe the grindr variant will get Republicans to finally come out against the virus.
 
2022-01-24 5:33:04 PM  
A nice little branch on the evolutionary tree. Hopefully the new vaccine coming by summer will be able to handle all these subvariants.
 
2022-01-24 5:35:58 PM  
How to identify a sub-variant:

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2022-01-24 5:36:41 PM  

moto-geek: How to identify a sub-variant:

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SNRK.
 
2022-01-24 5:37:08 PM  
So are we talking about something like the old 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney, or Ohio class?
 
2022-01-24 5:37:29 PM  

TheCableGuy: If there's a subvariant there must be a domvariant.


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2022-01-24 5:37:35 PM  

bughunter: skybird659: Coming to a strip mall near you-
The 'Jersey Mike's ' variant!

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As a former JM sandwich engineer, I approve.

/I think
//get the roast beef


Nah, classic #13 for me!

/best big chain sub EVAR
 
2022-01-24 5:38:24 PM  

TheCableGuy: If there's a subvariant there must be a domvariant.


Find either on FetVirus
 
2022-01-24 5:40:15 PM  
Tony Bologna hopes Jimmys Johns doesn't steal this idea.
 
2022-01-24 5:40:17 PM  
Are they just calling them "subvariants" because we're running out of Greek letters?
 
2022-01-24 5:44:07 PM  

leeksfromchichis: TheCableGuy: If there's a subvariant there must be a domvariant.

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I guess Fark IS my personal erotica site after all...
 
2022-01-24 5:51:08 PM  
What BA2 might look like

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2022-01-24 5:51:36 PM  
You're a sub-8 Male, Omicron.
 
2022-01-24 5:54:02 PM  
If you're going to pick a variant to panic over, you should probably wait until we get another variant that attacks the lungs.

The Omicron branch still causes blood clotting issues, but those were always more rare than ending up on a ventilator unable to breathe for yourself.
 
2022-01-24 5:54:34 PM  
Oh good, another variant that makes it harder to work while the government continues to not help us. We'll get some more "stay masked, stay distanced, get vaxxed AND GET BACK TO WORK, PLEBES" messaging as usual. No more edicts, no more restrictions, and no financial support. Wonderful system we have here.
 
2022-01-24 5:55:42 PM  
I miss when "Omikron" was the name of a quirky game starring David Bowie.
 
2022-01-24 6:04:26 PM  
One thing COVID took away from me: my local Quiznos.

/inconsolable
 
2022-01-24 6:06:43 PM  

BullBearMS: If you're going to pick a variant to panic over, you should probably wait until we get another variant that attacks the lungs.

The Omicron branch still causes blood clotting issues, but those were always more rare than ending up on a ventilator unable to breathe for yourself.


Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness. This is unfortunately not panning out in clinical experience. Lower respiratory infections by the Omicron variant still occur, and they still trigger ARDS in combination with microvascular clotting issues in the pulmonary circulation.

I'm still intubating people.

The idea that Omicron is "less dangerous" came from early studies in France and South Africa, and haven't really panned out in the UK or United States in non-vaccinated populations. It's less likely to result in hospitalization in some populations - especially those vaccinated. But the idea it causes generally mild illness as a rule isn't really the case. Especially in areas like mine, where the majority remain unvaccinated for political reasons.
 
2022-01-24 6:07:37 PM  
I would love it if Omicron was a milder illness that didn't result in ICU admissions.

Because our local ICUs wouldn't be full, and we wouldn't be being told to not take intubated patients to certain hospitals because there's a question if they have a ventilator bed.
 
2022-01-24 6:07:51 PM  

moto-geek: How to identify a sub-variant:

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A little more subtle:

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2022-01-24 6:08:43 PM  
*Panic-reads article*

"Several countries are near, or even past the peak of BA.1 waves. I would be very surprised if BA.2 caused a second wave at this point. Even with slightly higher transmissibility this absolutely is not a Delta-Omicron change and instead is likely to be slower and more subtle," he forecast.

*Breathes*
 
2022-01-24 6:09:25 PM  

skybird659: Coming to a strip mall near you-
The 'Jersey Mike's ' variant!

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2022-01-24 6:09:58 PM  
Also the fun thing is that now we're starting to see cerebral edema and new onset seizures in COVID as a presenting symptom.
 
2022-01-24 6:10:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: I would love it if Omicron was a milder illness that didn't result in ICU admissions.

Because our local ICUs wouldn't be full, and we wouldn't be being told to not take intubated patients to certain hospitals because there's a question if they have a ventilator bed.


At the same time, I don't think most people can bring themselves to care about what happens to the willfully unvaccinated. We don't care what the disease does to them, because they're selfish assholes who deserve what they get.
 
2022-01-24 6:12:50 PM  

geekbikerskum: moto-geek: How to identify a sub-variant:

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A little more subtle:

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You just have to know what you're looking for
 
2022-01-24 6:13:41 PM  

Dr. Bison: What BA2 might look like

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Ahpiddiedahfoo!
 
2022-01-24 6:17:08 PM  
The virus is evolving to try to survive. I bet the new American variant will come with extra cheese. If the covid doesn't kill you, the obesity will.
 
2022-01-24 6:19:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness.


Omicron doesn't attack the lungs the way prior variants did.

Compared to the earlier Delta variant, Omicron multiplies itself 70 times more quickly in tissues that line airway passages, which may facilitate person-to-person spread, they said. But in lung tissues, Omicron replicates 10 times more slowly than the original version of the coronavirus, which might contribute to less-severe illness.

As already mentioned, that doesn't mean that it doesn't still do things like cause blood clots.

Enough time has passed for us to see the final outcomes in South Africa.

The results showed that all severe outcomes in the fourth wave were substantially lower than the previous waves. Moreover, after adjusting for vaccination, a 28% reduced risk of any hospitalization or death and 59% reduced risk of death was observed.

The thing that makes Omicron problematic is that is spreads so rapidly that the smaller percentage who do have serious cases pile up in the hospitals all at once.
 
2022-01-24 6:20:57 PM  

BullBearMS: hardinparamedic: Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness.

Omicron doesn't attack the lungs the way prior variants did.

Compared to the earlier Delta variant, Omicron multiplies itself 70 times more quickly in tissues that line airway passages, which may facilitate person-to-person spread, they said. But in lung tissues, Omicron replicates 10 times more slowly than the original version of the coronavirus, which might contribute to less-severe illness.

As already mentioned, that doesn't mean that it doesn't still do things like cause blood clots.

Enough time has passed for us to see the final outcomes in South Africa.

The results showed that all severe outcomes in the fourth wave were substantially lower than the previous waves. Moreover, after adjusting for vaccination, a 28% reduced risk of any hospitalization or death and 59% reduced risk of death was observed.

The thing that makes Omicron problematic is that is spreads so rapidly that the smaller percentage who do have serious cases pile up in the hospitals all at once.


Neat.

That doesn't solve the problem that in my majority unvaccinated population it's still filling up our ICUs at an alarming rate with people who need rotaprones and high ventilator settings.
 
2022-01-24 6:24:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: BullBearMS: If you're going to pick a variant to panic over, you should probably wait until we get another variant that attacks the lungs.

The Omicron branch still causes blood clotting issues, but those were always more rare than ending up on a ventilator unable to breathe for yourself.

Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness. This is unfortunately not panning out in clinical experience. Lower respiratory infections by the Omicron variant still occur, and they still trigger ARDS in combination with microvascular clotting issues in the pulmonary circulation.

I'm still intubating people.

The idea that Omicron is "less dangerous" came from early studies in France and South Africa, and haven't really panned out in the UK or United States in non-vaccinated populations. It's less likely to result in hospitalization in some populations - especially those vaccinated. But the idea it causes generally mild illness as a rule isn't really the case. Especially in areas like mine, where the majority remain unvaccinated for political reasons.


Eric Fiegl-Ding keeps posting a chart of COVID cases vs. excess mortality for South Africa.

Their case counts are falling, but excess mortality is still going up--with a spike delayed several weeks compared to previous variants.

I suspect it's not milder at all . . . just trades in some of the drowning-in-your-own-mucous-right-away for a bit more of the lethal-clots-in-your-limbs-and-organs-later.
 
2022-01-24 6:27:16 PM  
Still awaiting the Hoagie variant
 
2022-01-24 6:27:21 PM  

hardinparamedic: BullBearMS: If you're going to pick a variant to panic over, you should probably wait until we get another variant that attacks the lungs.

The Omicron branch still causes blood clotting issues, but those were always more rare than ending up on a ventilator unable to breathe for yourself.

Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness. This is unfortunately not panning out in clinical experience. Lower respiratory infections by the Omicron variant still occur, and they still trigger ARDS in combination with microvascular clotting issues in the pulmonary circulation.

I'm still intubating people.

The idea that Omicron is "less dangerous" came from early studies in France and South Africa, and haven't really panned out in the UK or United States in non-vaccinated populations. It's less likely to result in hospitalization in some populations - especially those vaccinated. But the idea it causes generally mild illness as a rule isn't really the case. Especially in areas like mine, where the majority remain unvaccinated for political reasons.


I got the full vax a year ago plus booster. At home with Covid (omicron?) for a week now. It's been like a really sucky flu without the fever, so I count my 65yo male ass lucky.
A fully vaxxed family member got the delta last fall, is still far from functional and has not been within six feet of family or friend for over four months.
If some psychopathic Mr. Dr. Evil designed an insidious, cruel, deadly and soul-crushing disease, it would look something like this.
 
2022-01-24 6:28:57 PM  
I'm also willing to admit I'm openly suffering from observer bias and burnout from watching the selfish decisions of others hurt people who do the right thing and do everything they can.
 
2022-01-24 6:31:42 PM  

hardinparamedic: The idea that Omicron is "less dangerous" came from early studies in France and South Africa, and haven't really panned out in the UK or United States in non-vaccinated populations. It's less likely to result in hospitalization in some populations - especially those vaccinated. But the idea it causes generally mild illness as a rule isn't really the case. Especially in areas like mine, where the majority remain unvaccinated for political reasons.


On average, if you get Omicron, you are less likely to have symptoms, to need to go the hospital, to need to be put on a ventilator, or to die from it, than other variants, especially Delta.  All studies pretty much show this.  But it's easier to transfer from one person to another, negating some of these factors.
 
2022-01-24 6:33:21 PM  

hardinparamedic: That doesn't solve the problem that in my majority unvaccinated population


Actually, it does.

When something spreads this fast, it's also over fast.

In the greater Boston area, the amount of SARS-CoV-2 found in wastewater is going down as quickly as it had gone up. The hard part isn't over yet, but the omicron wave is starting to break and roll back out to sea.

Once this wave passes, the vast majority of Americas will be vaccinated, previously infected, or both.

Infection-induced immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are pretty similar. On the whole, studies found that the efficacy of infection-induced immunity was about the same as what you'd get from a two-dose mRNA vaccine, and sometimes higher.

The UK tracks their numbers more closely than we do (with their socialized medical system) and were up around 98% of their population being vaccinated, previously infected or both right before Christmas.

If we get an Omicron 2 Electric Boogaloo wave, we're going to pretty much all have immune exposure, want it or not.
 
2022-01-24 6:36:25 PM  

phishrace: The virus is evolving to try to survive. I bet the new American variant will come with extra cheese. If the covid doesn't kill you, the obesity will.


The virus isn't "doing" anything. Mutations are random. The ones that help it stick around, because ... they help. That's how it works. It doesn't have sentience. Hell, we don't even know if viruses count as being alive.
 
2022-01-24 6:37:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: BullBearMS: If you're going to pick a variant to panic over, you should probably wait until we get another variant that attacks the lungs.

The Omicron branch still causes blood clotting issues, but those were always more rare than ending up on a ventilator unable to breathe for yourself.

Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness. This is unfortunately not panning out in clinical experience. Lower respiratory infections by the Omicron variant still occur, and they still trigger ARDS in combination with microvascular clotting issues in the pulmonary circulation.

I'm still intubating people.

The idea that Omicron is "less dangerous" came from early studies in France and South Africa, and haven't really panned out in the UK or United States in non-vaccinated populations. It's less likely to result in hospitalization in some populations - especially those vaccinated. But the idea it causes generally mild illness as a rule isn't really the case. Especially in areas like mine, where the majority remain unvaccinated for political reasons.


It's important to say that you are not intubating vaccinated people. If you are let us know, please.
 
2022-01-24 6:37:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: BullBearMS: hardinparamedic: Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness.

Omicron doesn't attack the lungs the way prior variants did.

Compared to the earlier Delta variant, Omicron multiplies itself 70 times more quickly in tissues that line airway passages, which may facilitate person-to-person spread, they said. But in lung tissues, Omicron replicates 10 times more slowly than the original version of the coronavirus, which might contribute to less-severe illness.

As already mentioned, that doesn't mean that it doesn't still do things like cause blood clots.

Enough time has passed for us to see the final outcomes in South Africa.

The results showed that all severe outcomes in the fourth wave were substantially lower than the previous waves. Moreover, after adjusting for vaccination, a 28% reduced risk of any hospitalization or death and 59% reduced risk of death was observed.

The thing that makes Omicron problematic is that is spreads so rapidly that the smaller percentage who do have serious cases pile up in the hospitals all at once.

Neat.

That doesn't solve the problem that in my majority unvaccinated population it's still filling up our ICUs at an alarming rate with people who need rotaprones and high ventilator settings.


That's the government's problem to solve, not individual citizens'. At least, not the ones who already got vaccinated and wear our masks. We're doing what we're supposed to. So go get mad at the people who can actually do something about this and are choosing not to.
 
2022-01-24 6:40:30 PM  

BullBearMS: hardinparamedic: That doesn't solve the problem that in my majority unvaccinated population

Actually, it does.

When something spreads this fast, it's also over fast.

In the greater Boston area, the amount of SARS-CoV-2 found in wastewater is going down as quickly as it had gone up. The hard part isn't over yet, but the omicron wave is starting to break and roll back out to sea.

Once this wave passes, the vast majority of Americas will be vaccinated, previously infected, or both.

Infection-induced immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are pretty similar. On the whole, studies found that the efficacy of infection-induced immunity was about the same as what you'd get from a two-dose mRNA vaccine, and sometimes higher.

The UK tracks their numbers more closely than we do (with their socialized medical system) and were up around 98% of their population being vaccinated, previously infected or both right before Christmas.

If we get an Omicron 2 Electric Boogaloo wave, we're going to pretty much all have immune exposure, want it or not.


I'm willing to openly admit I'm probably wrong ala observer bias and this is me projecting burnout on the situation.

melfunction: It's important to say that you are not intubating vaccinated people. If you are let us know, please.


The few I have been have been extremely elderly with a lot of comorbidity.
 
2022-01-24 6:42:05 PM  
Po-Boy?

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2022-01-24 6:42:22 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: hardinparamedic: BullBearMS: If you're going to pick a variant to panic over, you should probably wait until we get another variant that attacks the lungs.

The Omicron branch still causes blood clotting issues, but those were always more rare than ending up on a ventilator unable to breathe for yourself.

Omicron doesn't just cause mild illness. This is unfortunately not panning out in clinical experience. Lower respiratory infections by the Omicron variant still occur, and they still trigger ARDS in combination with microvascular clotting issues in the pulmonary circulation.

I'm still intubating people.

The idea that Omicron is "less dangerous" came from early studies in France and South Africa, and haven't really panned out in the UK or United States in non-vaccinated populations. It's less likely to result in hospitalization in some populations - especially those vaccinated. But the idea it causes generally mild illness as a rule isn't really the case. Especially in areas like mine, where the majority remain unvaccinated for political reasons.

Eric Fiegl-Ding keeps posting a chart of COVID cases vs. excess mortality for South Africa.

Their case counts are falling, but excess mortality is still going up--with a spike delayed several weeks compared to previous variants.

I suspect it's not milder at all . . . just trades in some of the drowning-in-your-own-mucous-right-away for a bit more of the lethal-clots-in-your-limbs-and-organs-later.


It's exactly that.  The ancestral was localized to ACE2 bearing tissues featuring TMPRSS2, which is heavily expressed in the lungs.  Omicron is ACE2 + Cathepsin-L... it's translating to a more diffuse infection that is localizing to other organs-like the kidneys-and delaying mortality as a result.  Scary thing about it is that most of these tissues don't have any nerve involvement, and those that do have nerves that are readily scrambled by the virus, so the decedents tend to think they're on the mend right up until the moment they die.
 
2022-01-24 6:42:23 PM  

hardinparamedic: I'm also willing to admit I'm openly suffering from observer bias and burnout from watching the selfish decisions of others hurt people who do the right thing and do everything they can.


Hang in there..There are a lot of us out here that have the vax, wear masks when we go out, and only go out
when we need to go out...
 
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